Darrell Castle on Jason Stapleton Program: “I’ve never said I was more libertarian than Gary Johnson”

Darrell Castle, the Constitution Party presidential candidate, made an appearance on the Jason Stapleton Program on September 14th, 2016. About Castle, Stapleton said in his introduction of the Tennessee lawyer: “He is running on what I would consider a very libertarian platform. “

However, Castle said at the 7:05 minute mark:

Well first of all, Jason, let me tell you that I’ve never said I was more libertarian than Gary Johnson. No. People have said that about me, and it’s been on the internet for quite some time.

The full interview is 52 minutes long. (Via ATPR)

30 thoughts on “Darrell Castle on Jason Stapleton Program: “I’ve never said I was more libertarian than Gary Johnson”

  1. Andy

    So out of this entire interview, this line is chosen as the title for this article? How about just call it “Jason Stapleton Interviews Darryl Castle,” or something like that?

    Regardless, I think that Mr. Castle is just being modest here. It should be clearly apparent to all those who are paying attention that Darrell Castle is more libertarian than Gary Johnson and Bill Weld.

  2. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    Andy, point taken – you’re right. I do want to explain, howerver, that I judge the views an article receives based on the number of comments it gets. We know IPR is heavily LP-centric, and to break that, an article needs an interesting title.

    I’m not a professional of course, but as far as I know – I didn’t take the title out of context. He then says people on the internet say he is more libertarian than JWeld immediately after. I do not thing that changes what he said.

    Look, as much as I love IPR -my favorite site on the interwebs- the one flaw of this site is the lack of coverage of the CP, Greens and others. I would, but if an article gets zero comments, well, I don’t like that. I’m just being honest here. So this is why I chose a more catchy title.

  3. George Dance

    Why shouldn’t that be the one line singled out? After all, when Liberty Hangout quoted Darrell Castle as saying, in July,
    “Libertarians should support me because I am more Libertarian than the two candidates of that Party [ie, Johnson and Weld]. They are both CFR members, both open borders and both pro abortion. I am the opposite on those issues while holding Libertarian like views on many other issues.”
    – that was what got the attention.

    Now that Mr. Castle is saying ” I’ve never said I was more libertarian than Gary Johnson. No.” – IOW, either (1) pulling a Trump, or (2) claiming that LH misquoted him – isn’t that worthy of attention, too?

    Mr. Lesiak, who is partial to Mr. Castle, could have chosen to not mention this second comment at all, leaving it buried in an interview where it might never have surfaced at all. It’s a credit to his journalistic integrity that he chose to highlight it instead.

  4. Andy

    “Mr. Brown
    September 15, 2016 at 19:05
    Well at least to his credit he does not pretend to be.”

    Castle does not have to pretend to be more libertarian than Gary Johnson and Bill Weld. He is. Go issue for issue. The right to keep and bear arms is one of the most important issues that there is from a libertarian perspective, and Castle is better on that issue than Johnson and Weld. This is just one example. I could go on….

  5. Andy

    George Dance said: “Mr. Lesiak, who is partial to Mr. Castle, could have chosen to not mention this second comment at all, leaving it buried in an interview where it might never have surfaced at all. It’s a credit to his journalistic integrity that he chose to highlight it instead.”

    I think that he did it just to come up with a sensational sounding headline.

    Put Castle up against Johnson/Weld issue for issue, and he wins, from a libertarian perspective.

  6. George Dance

    Andy: “Put Castle up against Johnson/Weld issue for issue, and he wins, from a libertarian perspective.”

    Are you comparing records? Castle doesn’t have one.

    Or are you comparing their statements? Notice we’ve just seen Castle try to walk back a hilariously ignorant comment – that he’s “More Libertarian” than the Libertarian candidates simply because he’s (1) not on the Council on Foreign Relations, (2) wants to ban immigration, and (3) wants to ban abortions, not by admitting he was wrong, but by trying to deny he even said it in the first place. The one thing that should tell anyone paying attention is that Castle is just another slimy politician whose statements cannot be believed.

    So, you can’t use his record, since he doesn’t have one, and you can’t use his statements, because his statements can’t be believed. What have you got?

  7. AMcCarrick

    Andy… dude. Castle is a paleo-conservative just like Ron Paul. Paleo-conservatism is NOT libertarianism. To make a statement otherwise is entirely damaging to the entire libertarian movement. If it’s not Minarchism, Anarchism, or Classical Liberalism it’s NOT libertarianism. No ifs or buts about it.

  8. AMcCarrick

    This is the crap that I’ve been talking about… We have 100s of different non-libertarian ideologies using the libertarian name as if they’re actually part of libertarianism…. This right here is why the word “libertarian” means absolutely nothing. The definition has been perverted by 100s of different groups for their political gain; and ironically all at a detriment to their own movements and to libertarianism. Every movement under the sun has now been conflated with the word libertarian and now the public, not knowing what to believe anymore, has decided to not even bother, because they find ZERO consistency in the messaging…. because there is none, since there’s 100s of different movements claiming to be the one to define the word.

    If the Libertarian Party wants any chance whatsoever of ever getting anywhere it needs to change it’s name to the “Minarchist Party”.

  9. langa

    …Castle is just another slimy politician whose statements cannot be believed.

    This is quite an odd criticism, coming from a supporter of the “TeamGov” ticket, who never tire of bragging about their own background as “real” politicians, and who have done more than their share of flip-flopping and lying (e.g. the burqa ban, gun control, Weld’s promise to the NY LP, and so forth).

  10. Andy

    “AMcCarrick
    September 15, 2016 at 22:38
    Andy… dude. Castle is a paleo-conservative just like Ron Paul. Paleo-conservatism is NOT libertarianism. To make a statement otherwise is entirely damaging to the entire libertarian movement. If it’s not Minarchism, Anarchism, or Classical Liberalism it’s NOT libertarianism. No ifs or buts about it.”

    I disagree with you about Castle, and even more so about Ron Paul (especially since Ron Paul has openly embraced anarcho-capitalsim after his 2012 campaign).

    Also, you are missing one big point here, and that is that the argument is not even so much how libertarian is Darrell Castle, but who is more libertarian between Darrell Castle and Johnson/Weld?

    I give the nod to Darrel Castle.

  11. Andy

    “AMcCarrick
    September 15, 2016 at 22:43
    This is the crap that I’ve been talking about… We have 100s of different non-libertarian ideologies using the libertarian name as if they’re actually part of libertarianism…. This right here is why the word “libertarian” means absolutely nothing. The definition has been perverted by 100s of different groups for their political gain; and ironically all at a detriment to their own movements and to libertarianism. ”

    Add Johnson/Weld to the list of people who have misrepresented what it means to be a libertarian.

  12. AMcCarrick

    Fine… I’ve come to the conclusion the only way we get anywhere with libertarianism is for me personally to absolutely destroy the Libertarian Party. I was planning on donating $120,000 yearly to the LP building fund… Not happening, never will happen. Instead it’s going into sucking away every single member that actually has a brain (unlike Andy here) into a new party.

  13. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    Paleolibertarianism is closely related to paleoconservatism, isn’t it? The one major difference would be economics in terms of protectionism. Any other real differences between the two?

    Castle is easily, easily, easily more paleolibertarian than Johnson, any day. Johnson doesn’t even come close to that label. In fact, I’d say he’s the opposite – left-libertarian.

  14. AMcCarrick

    Krzysztof Lesiak… Paleo-Libertarianism isn’t a real thing… “Paleo-Libertarians” ARE Paleo-Conservatives.

  15. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    AMcCarrick, if I had $120,000 at my disposal, I would make Warren an offer to buy IPR. My American Dream would be fulfilled if I could own IPR, at least for a little while.

    Just kidding 🙂

  16. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    AmcCarrick,

    How so? What if one is a socially conservative anarcho-capitalist like Hans Herman Hoppe?

    Even Jeffrey Tucker, the darling of the left-libertarian movement, admitted that Hoppe is an anarcho-capitalist in a forward to Hoppe’s book, The Great Fiction. Does this mean Tucker is wrong about Hoppe being a libertarian, albeit a paleolibertarian? Can you be an anarcho-capitalist without being a paleolibertarian /libertarian of ANY kind?

    And Tom Woods is also arguably a paleolibertarian – he promotes the Austrian School of Economics but is socially conservative and traditionalist Catholic. Does that make him a paleoconservative?

  17. Cody Quirk

    I just like seeing all the Pro-Castle “libertarians” getting their panties tied up in a bunch over this, lol!

    “The one thing that should tell anyone paying attention is that Castle is just another slimy politician whose statements cannot be believed.”

    Agreed; he’s starting to use Trump’s playbook.

    But yeahhhhhh, funny how he said something completely different about his “libertarianism”…
    http://libertyhangout.org/2016/07/interview-with-darrell-castle-constitution-candidate/

  18. langa

    Personally, I have never bought into the idea of “paleo-libertarianism” or “left-libertarianism” or any sort of “thick” libertarianism. Libertarianism is a simple philosophy, that consists entirely of determining, in any given situation, whether the use of force is justified. It does this by applying the basic principles of property rights, individual sovereignty (or self-ownership), and the NAP.

    This means that for almost every issue (with the exception of issues involving non-adult beings, such as children, fetuses, and so forth), there is a clear and obvious libertarian position. To the extent that you agree with those positions, you are a libertarian. When, on the other hand, you deviate from those positions, that doesn’t make a “different kind” of libertarian. It simply makes you a less consistent libertarian. This is true even if you concoct elaborate rationalizations.

    Few things have been as damaging to the libertarian movement as the dogged determination, by both sides, to try to hijack the libertarian philosophy, and use it as intellectual cover for various forms of cultural proselytism. Indeed, whether intentional or not, the media’s unwavering fixation on the idiotic “culture war” is one of the main things that keeps the victims of government oppression distracted and divided, and therefore, makes any type of resistance to such oppression far more difficult. This is why libertarianism should consciously promote itself as a culturally agnostic movement. We need to forget about black vs. white, gay vs. straight, man vs. woman, Christian vs. Muslim, and so forth, and focus on what really matters, which is rulers vs. subjects. The more that we libertarians buy into the whole “culture war” crap, the less chance we have to come together to defeat our real enemy.

  19. T Rex

    The only real difference between paleolibertarians and standard libertarians (aside from cultural preferences) is that paleos are against “open borders” (put in quotes because people mean different things by the term).

    I happen to agree with Andy that Castle is more libertarian than Johnson-Weld. Please note that we judge how libertarian someone is, *not* by their cultural preferences, but by what they think the state should do. Castle, for instance, says he doesn’t believe in gay marriage but also says the government should not be involved in marriage at all. Most folks here focus heavily on the former but completely ignore the latter…even though it is the latter that determines how libertarian someone is.

  20. Andy

    “T Rex
    September 16, 2016 at 12:42
    The only real difference between paleolibertarians and standard libertarians (aside from cultural preferences) is that paleos are against “open borders” (put in quotes because people mean different things by the term).”

    If we had an anarcho-capitalist society, all land would be privately owned, so border policies would be set by land owners, or groups of land owners. Some might set an open border policy, but I’d wager that most would not. So “open borders” is really something that would not exist in an anarcho-capitalist society.

    “Castle, for instance, says he doesn’t believe in gay marriage but also says the government should not be involved in marriage at all. Most folks here focus heavily on the former but completely ignore the latter…even though it is the latter that determines how libertarian someone is.”

    So even though Castle is culturally conservative in his personal life, his view on gay marriage is actually pretty libertarian, since he takes the correct libertarian position, which is that the government should not be involved in the issue.

    Castle is also more libertarian than Johnson/Weld when it comes to the War on Drugs. Johnson and Weld have said that they are only advocating for marijuana legalization (and even here, they want to tax and regulate it), and they clearly stated that they want to keep other drugs illegal, while Castle wants to call of the entire War on Drugs.

    I really do not see how anyone could make an honest case for Johnson/Weld being more libertarian than Darrell Castle. I think that some people are just in denial because they have an emotional investment in the Libertarian Party and/or in Johnson/Weld, so therefore they do not want to admit the unattractive truth.

  21. Thomas Knapp

    Yes, Hoppe is an “anarcho-capitalist.” Except when he’s being a statist, which is a non-trivial amount of the time.

    Many, many, many people have problems with this or that aspect of libertarianism. But at least most of them are honest to say “I’m not quite a libertarian because of Issue X” or “I would be a libertarian if not for Issue X” or even “I consider myself a libertarian except on Issue X.”

    Hoppe tries to blow smoke up people’s asses and convince them that authoritarianism is actually libertarianism on the issues where he’s a statist authoritarian (e.g. immigration/borders).

  22. Andy

    Thomas Knapp said: “Hoppe tries to blow smoke up people’s asses and convince them that authoritarianism is actually libertarianism on the issues where he’s a statist authoritarian (e.g. immigration/borders).”

    As opposed to being a forced integration, welfare state, non-peaceful person crossing borders, mass democracy STATIST on immigration like Tom Knapp.

    Unlike Knapp, Hoppe does not believe it is wise to give Viagra to the state by forced integrating large masses of people with Marxist and/or theocratic ideologies, and allowing them to get on welfare and register to vote.

    OPEN BORDERS WOULD NOT EXIST IN A STATELESS SOCIETY. Open borders is a statist fantasy. The REAL libertarian position is to privatize all land while dismantling the state, and then land owners, or groups of land owners working together in voluntary associations, would set their own immigration policies, some of which would be more restrictive than others (some may even be more restrictive than what we have now with government). If there were any land that was open (as in nobody lived there or claimed it), that that land would likely only remain open until people moved there and started homesteading it, at which point they’d set the immigration policy for that space of land.

  23. Thomas Knapp

    Andy,

    Thanks for the fine example of what blowing authoritarian smoke up people’s asses and trying to pass it off as libertarianism looks like.

    Where people go, as long as it’s peaceful and not on your property, is none of your fucking business. That is the libertarian position. It’s the ONLY libertarian position. You don’t have to like it. That’s how it is whether you like it or not.

  24. Cody Quirk

    “Castle, for instance, says he doesn’t believe in gay marriage but also says the government should not be involved in marriage at all.”

    You are really kidding yourself.

    https://cpowmilwaukeecounty.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/official-statement-the-constitution-partys-position-on-marriage/ (Darrell authored this)

    http://www.castlereport.us/same-sex-marriage-and-avenues-of-resistance/

    http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d0da7e535b5e7a71a66f365ef&id=1dab09defb

  25. George Dance

    Langa: “…Castle is just another slimy politician whose statements cannot be believed.
    This is quite an odd criticism, coming from a supporter of the “TeamGov” ticket, who never tire of bragging about their own background as “real” politicians, and who have done more than their share of flip-flopping and lying (e.g. the burqa ban, gun control, Weld’s promise to the NY LP, and so forth).”

    I’m not going to deal with your whole list, but let’s compare the first item (the “burqa ban”) with Castle here.

    In both cases, you have someone caught making a rather, stupid, wrongheaded claim, and then getting called out for it.

    An honest man would (1) take ownership of his mistake, and (2) repudiate his earlier claim – which is exactly what Johnson did, 24 hours later. (“Having had time to reconsider, my statement was wrong”).

    On the other hand, Castle (1) refused to take ownership of his statement (claiming “I never said” what he bloody well did say), and (2) not only refused to repudiate his claim, but tried to double down on it (“People say I’m more libertarian than Gary Johnson. It’s all over the Internet”.)

    Shows which one is the honest man, and which the slimy, dishonest politician.

    (Notice it’s not the fact that Castle’s a ‘politician’ that I’m objecting to – it’s the fact that he is so slimy and dishonest.)

  26. JamesT

    I think Castle is the least terrible of the 5 candidates on the ballot in PA. I’ll vote for him if I vote at all. However, this is disappointing. He said it. Own up to it. Also I thought he could have answered stuff more clearly but I feel he is trying to walk a tightrope between “paleo” libertairans and the Christian dominionsists. Idk he’s no Chuck Baldwin.

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