Libertarian National Committee: Proposed Budget and Mortgage Pay-Down Issues

global_452657254Today was an active discussion day for Libertarian Party financial issues to be dealt with at the upcoming LNC meeting December 10-11, 2017.

From Treasurer Tim Hagan:

The draft budget to be considered at next month’s meeting is attached. Some notes:

The Operating Budget worksheet, column F (highlighted in blue) is the budget to be considered. Its numbers are derived from the yellow-highlighted column in the Acct Detail worksheet. The footnotes at the bottom of the Acct Detail worksheet explain how we came up with the 2017 numbers.

Many of the numbers are based on the 2013 and 2015 numbers. We are predicting that membership will be 19,583 in January, dropping to 15,000 at the end of next year. This gives an average throughout the year of 17,292, which is 28% higher than the average of 2013 and 2015 membership. Some revenues and expenses are increased 28% to account for this increased membership.

Because of our accounting method, the value of the office shows up as a fixed asset with the mortgage as a long-term liability, and paying down the mortgage’s principal is a transfer from checking to the mortgage. If you are looking for mortgage for your property then you may want to compare the best mortgages around in order to get the best deal. Likewise, the bequest held in a trust is also an asset, which gets transferred to Cash in the books when we receive a check. Rows 46 and 47 on the Operating Budget worksheet show these transfers so the spreadsheet can show the surplus or deficit of the cash. For the cash flow, the draft budget has a net deficit of $154,900.

At Large Representative indicated his intent to bring a Motion to fulfill (and exceed) the LNC obligations on the mortgage paydown which received support from multiple other LNC members. Tim Hagan further offered this information:

I will call your $150,000 and raise it to $207,500. I request we add 20 minutes to the December meeting agenda for a motion to make a payment on the principal on our office mortgage.

The mortgage’s loan rate is 4.85% with a balloon payment at ten years, which is in July 24, 2024. Robert was kind enough to furnish the attached load amortization spreadsheet. I ran five scenarios on it to get the amount of interest we will pay from December 2016 to when the balloon payment is due, and to get the amount of the balloon payment that will be due at that time. This is a great mortgage deal and if you are thinking about getting a good mortgage then you may want to check out comparison websites to get the best mortgages around after reading the rest of this article so you have more knowledge about them.

Without any more prepayments (not paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years):
Interest: $139,400.40
Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $301,040.34

With the current policy of paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
Interest: $84,900.77
Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $6,540.71

Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and not paying extra in future years:
Interest: $45,751.59
Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $0.00

Paying an additional $150,00 in the December payment, and paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
Interest: $32,805.22
Mortgage gets paid off July 2021.

Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
Interest: $19,879.20
Mortgage gets paid off May 2020.

As you can see, paying $207,500 in December will eliminate having a balloon payment in 2024 and will save at least $39k in interest. If we keep the Weiner rule, it will save $65k in interest and have the mortgage paid off four years early. The targeted Reserve is the sum of all monthly occupancy, labor and governance expenses, which comes to $45,292. At the end of October, the reserve was at $415,669, so I am comfortable with paying $207,500, even if next year’s budget has a large deficit. We will have new reserve number before the meeting.

The trust from a bequest has $167,404. We have been taking the maximum allowable amount out each year for the general fund. A law passed December 2014 now allows national political committees to have a separate segregated building fund with its own contribution limit of three times the limit for the general fund. We have not done this before, because we needed the bequest for the general fund, but we can transfer up to $100,200 from the bequest to the building fund and use those funds toward making a payment on the mortgage principal.

My preference is to pay at least $207,500 toward the mortgage principal to save on interest payments and to ensure no balloon payment. If that passes, then I would favor reducing the policy to budget an extra $60k on odd years.

The whole discussion can be viewed here.

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33 thoughts on “Libertarian National Committee: Proposed Budget and Mortgage Pay-Down Issues

  1. Caryn Ann Harlos Post author

    I am committed to that. You might want to read the discussion. Some comments are …. interesting.

  2. George Phillies

    A budget that spends 80% of its total on “administration: and “compensation” is a Board that is not exercising anything like adequate supervision. The expected membership crash speaks to an organization that is not being seen to do things, which might retain members who are instead scheduled to fade into the woodwork again. The National Committee should correct these matters.

  3. Caryn Ann Harlos Post author

    George, lets talk before the meeting if I can. I would like to have the budget in front of me and for you to point out items of concern.

  4. Thomas Knapp

    George,

    The next electorally focused political organization which figures out how to avoid losing members and/or members’ interest in donating after a major election will be the first such organization that’s ever come to my notice. Hopefully not as many are lost after the election as were gained before it, of course, but it does make sense to expect some loss.

    This is probably especially true as regards the early membership burst between the party’s national convention and the time the new members realized that they had fallen for Johnson/Weld’s amateur circus act. They probably feel conned. And they should.

  5. Andy

    I listen to Free Talk Live ( https://www.freetalklive.com/ ) on the Liberty Radio Network ( http://lrn.fm/ ) sometimes, and I notice lately that they have been pushing free memberships to the Libertarian Party. They said that they have some kind of deal with the Libertarian Party to offer people free memberships.

    Does anyone know the nature of this deal? Is Free Talk Live getting paid by the Libertarian National Committee, and if so, how much? Why are they offering the memberships for free?

    I am not necessarily opposed to this, as I assume that the thinking behind it is that if people join for free, you can hit them up for donations later, and the LNC probably figures that a certain percentage of the free members will donate money later to where they think that this will be worthwhile. One thing I am wondering though, is if the LNC is going to use the members who sign up for free to wave around and act like it is some kind of great accomplishment. It is a lot easier to get to people to sign up for free than it is to get them to fork over some money, even if it is just the measly (and outdated) minimum dues of $25 per year. I also question how committed a new member will be if they can’t even commit to sending in at least $25 a year.

    Anyone know the results of this so far? Are free memberships being offered anywhere else other than on Free Talk Live? Is anyone keeping track of how many free memberships come in vs the number of paid memberships?

  6. Thomas Knapp

    Andy,

    I’ve been listening to that too. My guess is that the “we made a deal with the LP” thing is just advertising hype and that what they are talking about is the standard LP membership, which requires only the pledge.

    It has never cost anything to be a member of the LP. The LNC does refer to its newsletter subscription sales program as “sustaining membership” and uses the number of newsletter subscribers to skew delegate apportionment, but that has nothing to do with actual membership.

  7. George Phillies

    “A budget that spends 80% of its total on “administration: and “compensation”” is not a budget in a meaningful sense.

    “The next electorally focused political organization which figures out how to avoid losing members and/or members’ interest in donating after a major election will be the first such organization that’s ever come to my notice” Libertarian Party mid 80’s through 1999, though with a screwy method at the end.

  8. ATBAFT

    George- at 12:19 As I recall, the LP removed its chairman at the end of 1988 and, using a better executed management approach and access to the Ron Paul list, grew the Party from less than 7,000 members to over 10,000 dues paying members by 1991 convention. So, no, the Party doesn’t have to suffer membership and financial loss after a presidential election.

  9. Chuck Moulton

    I like Tim Hagan’s $207k early mortgage payment number. That seems reasonable and prudent.

    Ken Moellman’s cries about IT infrastructure are undercut by the massive screw up of the LP trashing the website 2 weeks before the election, then failing to port 83% of the content — coupled with continuing outrageous load times. If the LP wants member support for IT investment, it would be immensely helpful if they didn’t screw the pooch on every previous IT project and if the people calling for more IT spending weren’t the same people defending the previous screw-ups as no big deal.

    The LP has the potential to not dip in membership. Instead they could double their membership. Gary Johnson donors and supporters is a bigger list than active LP members by an order of magnitude. I hope the LP gets that list and engages in effective prospecting.

  10. Ken Moellman

    Chuck,

    The new IT committee is just getting started. Please, don’t hold the new committee responsible for the previous committee.

    I cannot publicly address some of your IT concerns, but I do hope that you’ll be at the LNC meeting in a couple of weeks. I’d like to talk to you there.

    I’ve heard that you have an archive of the site before the Drupal site that was just replaced. I’d like to talk to you about that content and the Drupal site’s content. The information should be preserved.

    In any case, to fix things, we’ll probably need to spend money. Thus, my concerns about the amount being proposed for the mortgage.

    ken

  11. George Phillies

    ATBAFT — Perhaps is should have emphasize the quotation marks more, the points where I am quoting from prior posts, but my opinion on increasing the size of the party is the same as yours.

    Someone (Knapp??) wrote: “The next electorally focused political organization which figures out how to avoid losing members and/or members’ interest in donating after a major election will be the first such organization that’s ever come to my notice”

    I responded: Libertarian Party mid 80’s through 1999, though with a screwy method at the end.

    I believe we are both assuming that we have access to the Johnson donor list.

  12. Shane

    Wow. With Chuck’s comment, I just saw the new LP.org. I hope they didn’t pay much for a $59 WordPress theme (“Canvas” on ThemeForest). If they only paid $59, good for them.

    The site isn’t horrible but the donation page is among the worst I’ve seen. Absolutely horrible.

    Higher pay down plan is smart but I wouldn’t let the reserve drop below $250k unless there’s a plan to get membership above 18k through 2017.

    Questions board members should be asking:

    How many non-members donors acquired in 2016?
    How many new-to-file donor names will be accessible from Johnson campaign?
    How many new-to-file non-donor names?
    How many names acquired by LP that have yet to convert to member/donor?

    From there, there’s a lot of math but there should be zero reason why the LP should experience a post-election dip in membership.

    The point of a presidential campaign (for me at least) is to acquire names to convert to reoccurring donors. So this should be a very busy prospecting time for whomever is handling LP marketing right now. Lots of low-hanging fruit.

  13. Chuck Moulton

    Ken Moellman wrote:

    The new IT committee is just getting started. Please, don’t hold the new committee responsible for the previous committee.

    An individual on the new committee (you) has repeatedly defended the new website rollout and dismissed criticisms thereof.

    When someone (the LNC) has dug himself into a hole, the first step out of it is to stop digging. Fix and complete the current project before starting 5 new ones. If the IT committee can salvage the website after Ludlow destroyed it, then it will gain credibility to competently take on other projects.

    Ken Moellman wrote:

    I cannot publicly address some of your IT concerns, but I do hope that you’ll be at the LNC meeting in a couple of weeks. I’d like to talk to you there.

    I plan to attend that meeting, though I’m not 100% yet.

    You may also call or email me privately if you want.

    Ken Moellman wrote:

    I’ve heard that you have an archive of the site before the Drupal site that was just replaced. I’d like to talk to you about that content and the Drupal site’s content. The information should be preserved.

    I do. I can email it to you if you want.

    Ken Moellman wrote:

    In any case, to fix things, we’ll probably need to spend money. Thus, my concerns about the amount being proposed for the mortgage.

    The mortgage payment is very reasonable (as Caryn Ann Harlos mentioned on the LNC list): $60k + interest (missed policy manual mandated 2015 extra payment) + $105k bequest + $60k (upcoming policy manual mandated extra 2017 payment) = over $225k. We’re flush with windfall cash from the Johnson campaign membership spike and should spend it on this, which is definitely useful, rather than other things, where it may be squandered.

    You want to put $255k into Ohio ballot access, which isn’t even for a presidential year and may leave us needing to petition again if retention isn’t met. Redpath wants $25k for a Virginia governor candidate even though no one has stepped forward to run. Somes wants $500k for a marketing plan even though multiple LP state affiliates have blown hundreds of thousands of dollars on that before and alienated major donors with nothing to show for it. You want an unspecified amount for unspecified IT spending to fix problems which are allegedly unmentionable in public.

    The entire LNC has a chronic problem of taking hard earned donor money and flushing it down the toilet on pet projects that end up being net negatives even if they were free. It’s embarrassing. It’s hypocritical for a party that claims to support fiscal responsibility. The LNC spends like drunken sailors, then sends out “the sky is falling!!!” nastygrams to scrape together money as a last minute fire drill in tougher years after blowing all the money in good years.

    I’ve been a $100/month monthly pledger to the LP for over a decade… as a LP donor, I want to see my money spent wisely.

    “we need to spend money to fix things” is exactly my point. Money allocated is a mandate to do things. We saw with the website project when money was allocated that ended up being unilateral authority to destroy the website right before the presidential election. We’re still dealing with that carnage. Not budgeting anything to IT projects is a great way to ensure the IT committee doesn’t have the mandate to go destroy something else.

    You seem to be missing the HUGE trust problem with the national party after the colossal fuck up of the website transition. Go mend that fence before anyone trusts the national party with any other IT project ever.

    FIX IT.

  14. Chuck Moulton

    The LNC and staff ought to be figuring out the best way to prospect to the Johnson donor list (whenever we get it).

    This shouldn’t be business as usual throwing random letters at them without a real fundraising professional on staff (Wes and Carla certainly have a lot of experience wearing the fundraising hat among their many other hats, but they do not have the expertise of many full time fundraisers). We need good tailored pitches. We need a full court press of email, mail, phone, text, and social media. We need people (a volunteer team or staff) making this their top priority. These are the good leads (Glengary Glen Ross reference). If we squander them, that’s a huge wasted growth opportunity.

    The same goes for state affiliates.

    Don’t wait until the list arrives to decide what to do with it. Start writing pitches now. Mail merge and start running with the project the day we get the Johnson list.

  15. George Phillies

    Web site: Given the issues raised “put the old web site back” might be the better cure.

  16. Andy

    “Chuck Moulton
    November 29, 2016 at 20:55
    The LNC and staff ought to be figuring out the best way to prospect to the Johnson donor list (whenever we get it).”

    I wonder what percent of the Gary Johnson campaign donors were people who could even be considered to be libertarians, and what percent of them were “Never Trump” Republicans who are not libertarian at all.

  17. Andy

    “George Phillies
    November 29, 2016 at 22:20
    Web site: Given the issues raised “put the old web site back” might be the better cure.”

    I agree. The previous site was better.

  18. ATBAFT

    Thinking about Mr. Moulton’s ideas on effectively prospecting the Johnson lists. Of course -but then what??
    Let’s say the campaign resulted in 15,000 new LP members and 10% of them actually turn into activists.
    What real difference will that make in the state and local parties?
    Right now, there are more than 2,000 registered Libertarians in my county…but no one willing to establish a county party to put the LP in the public eye every week. What can be done to create an active local LP?
    The Rotarians have figured it out somehow – they have four or five chapters who meet weekly within a ten mile radius of my house. The Boy Scouts have figured out how to have a functioning troop every five miles or so. What holds back the LP??
    Maybe the LNC ought to take, say, $100,000 and give ten or twenty grants to state and local groups to experiment with ways to set up functioning, viable local groups. I think we all know there will never be any lasting success unless and until we do have such groups.

  19. Daniel Hayes

    ATBAFT,

    What county do you live in? 2000 is more than enough to get a local affiliate established.

    The answer however is NOT money from the LNC.

  20. Daniel Hayes

    There isn’t some need to figure out how to set up local affiliates. We set up dozens in La over the last presidential cycle. I can say what to do and what not to do with setting up local affiliates.

    Sufficient number of Libertarians in the area is one of the main things for a local affiliate to succeed.

  21. Daniel Hayes

    ATBAFT

    You wrote this:
    “Right now, there are more than 2,000 registered Libertarians in my county…but no one willing to establish a county party to put the LP in the public eye every week. What can be done to create an active local LP?”

    If there are 2000 registered Libertarians in your county and you can’t find enough people willing to put together a County LP I don’t know what to say. That is more registered Ls than we have right now in Orleans Parish or Jefferson Parish which are both around 1600. We formed those up in 2013 when they were both under 1000 people. If 2000 people can’t organize via your state affiliate’s rules on the matter, what makes you think they are going to work every month to keep it in the public eye? There comes a point that you have to get out from behind the keyboard and work in the real world. This stuff ain’t magic…it’s just work.

  22. ATBAFT

    Mr. Hayes – There are at least a dozen LP members and there is a new effort to set up a county party.
    The cost of doing a mailing to the 2,000 registered Libertarians is in excess of $1,500 even with volunteer addressing of envelopes. Lots of bucks and if the “pitch” is wrong, then discouragement. What I was suggesting is national party should grant money to state and local parties to run experimental projects to see what is the best way to accomplish various goals – such as building a viable local party – so that “best practices” can be rolled out to everyone. For example,
    one state could do a mailing to registered Libertarians with a letter emphasizing the social aspect of meeting with fellow thinkers and another state could do same but the letter emphasizes running candidates or something else. The experiment with the best result then gets publicized rather than having everyone try to re-invent the wheel every year.

  23. Ken Moellman

    Apparently my last comment didn’t take.

    Chuck – the fix is in-progress. I am against rushing into a solution, though. For instance, the debugging of the existing problems suggests that the load times appear to be because the SSL certificate is being re-authorized with every page load. However, since I’m not an expert on our new platform, I don’t want to just go in and start tinkering. I’d personally like to hire someone who is proficient with our new platform to fix the problem, but that takes money.

    And Ohio can (and probably will) retain from 2018 gubernatorial results. They only lost their access due to shenanigans. But, more on that front later….

  24. Chuck Moulton

    Ken,

    Right, I’m aware of the certificate problem. Also redirects from lp.org to http://www.lp.org had long wait times last I checked. And a host of other problems.

    All of this is basic stuff a competent IT guy would setup correctly from the outset. Ludlow assured you all he was competent. Many of us were skeptical based on what we were saying, and as expected we turned out to be right: he vastly overstated his competence.

    Apparently my last few comments didn’t take. We are not Monday morning quarterbacking here. All of these problems were anticipated. We’ve been through this rodeo before. I begged many LNC members not to repeat the same mistakes. I outlined exactly what happened before and what was almost certain to happen again. No one listened.

    Instead of allocating more money, I suggest the LNC sue Kevin Ludlow. The way he transitioned to this website was negligant. There is no sense throwing good money after bad to cover for someone who didn’t know what the fuck he was doing and ignored everyone who told him exactly what would go wrong.

    No, I do not consent to waste even more donor money on this quagmire.

    You don’t seem to get it: We warned you all what was going to happen. We warnes you all that Ludlow was incompetent. We warned you all there would be technical issues. We warned you all there would be massive data loss. We warned you all the website transition would be seized on as ab opportunity to mess with party branding and messaging. We warned you all this was just the tip of the iceberg with negligantly messing with party resources.

    The LNC has ZERO CREDIBILITY on IT issues after running around like a drunk bull in a china closet purposely ignoring all the people who warned of the dangers.

    Don’t ask for any money until you fix this mess. Don’t ask for any new projects until you fix this mess. Don’t expect any sympathy or leeway or respect until you fix this mess.

    I’m outraged that the Libertarian Party flushed its second most important resource (the first being its database) down the toilet. You apparently have no conception of how angry and disappointed I am, or there is no way you would continue to defend this insanity. I am shaking with anger even as I type this. I threw and broke a few things at my house when I first discovered what happenes and that the LNC doesn’t give two goddamned shits about the website.

    Until you start accepting the reality that this was the most collossal fuck up in the Libertarian Party in at a least the last 2 decades (if not more), we can’t even have a conversation about this.

    Here is the best analogy I can come up with right now. Imagine you have a son who you love with all your heart. He’s 10 years old and you see him making some food in the kitchen. Being a responsible father, you say “Son, don’t put your hand in the blender.” You repeat that admonition every time you see him in the kitchen. Then one day — much to your horror — you walk in just in time to see him with his arm in the blender. He turns it on and mashes up his hand to mush with blood spewing everywhere as you scream “Noooooooooooo!!!!!” You get him medical attention as soon as possible, but he has lost his hand forever. The next few months you watch him try to put his OTHER hand in the blender and he asks you to buy him a chainsaw, fireworks, and a gallon of gasoline. He keeps sticking his head in the oven. That’s the LNC. That’s you. As a concerned father, NO FUCKING WAY. No chainsaw for you! I’m getting rid of that blender. I’m putting a lock on my oven.

    The LNC has demonstrated that they don’t listen to advice from people who know what they are talking about. The LNC has demonstrates that they don’t learn from past mistakes. The LNC has demonstrated that they are fucking morons. Stop digging. Get your other arm out of the blender.

    Until you and the rest of the LNC sound more like this:

    “Daddy, I was a fucking idiot for putting my arm in the blender. I should have listened to you. I’ll avoid blenders and other dangerous things in the future. I want to undergo physical therapy and look at implants or robotic attachments so I can regain as much mobility as possible. Did I mention that I was a fucking idiot for not listening to you?”

    Than this:

    “Oh well. Shit happens. Can I have a chainsaw? And fireworks? Don’t you love me? A loving father would give his son a chainsaw and fireworks.”

    I won’t be trusting the LNC at all and I will vocally oppose any attempt to put LP resources in further danger.

  25. Thomas Knapp

    Unless the level of incompetence rises to not having a backup of the previous site — which, I’m sad to say, would not surprise me — it’s a quick fix. Restore the backup to a host not controlled by Ludlow, make sure he doesn’t have the passwords, and never, ever, ever let him touch LP information infrastructure again.

    That’s a quick fix for the instant situation, anyway. The LNC’s long record of complete IT fuckuppery going back decades needs more than just that as a corrective.

    The saddest thing about the instant situation is exactly what Chuck points out: There aren’t any excuses. People who know what the fuck they are talking about, and who are known to know what the fuck they are talking about, were very clear in predicting exactly what was going to happen here. All the LNC had to do was pull its collective fucking head out of its collective fucking ass for five fucking seconds to avoid this outcome.

  26. George Phillies

    At some point it becomes obvious that the LNC is incurable, and that is before we get to its neoPlatonist cult approach to its statement of principles, and needs to be allowed to wither away.

  27. Ken Moellman

    Chuck – While I am now on the LNC, this is my first term. This is all stuff left over from the previous term. While I did and do willfully accept a role on the LNC, and thus do share responsibility in getting the issues fixed, I certainly didn’t create them or even have any input on them. I don’t really know why there’s such vitriol in my direction, as if I had anything to do with the website. I’m trying to stay positive, and I’m working with others to fix the problems, and that’s all I can do.

  28. Andy

    Chuck Moulton said: “You don’t seem to get it: We warned you all what was going to happen. We warnes you all that Ludlow was incompetent. We warned you all there would be technical issues. We warned you all there would be massive data loss. We warned you all the website transition would be seized on as ab opportunity to mess with party branding and messaging. We warned you all this was just the tip of the iceberg with negligantly messing with party resources.

    The LNC has ZERO CREDIBILITY on IT issues after running around like a drunk bull in a china closet purposely ignoring all the people who warned of the dangers.”

    Chuck also said: “The LNC has demonstrated that they don’t listen to advice from people who know what they are talking about. The LNC has demonstrates that they don’t learn from past mistakes. The LNC has demonstrated that they are fucking morons. Stop digging. Get your other arm out of the blender.”

    Chuck,, now you can get an idea of how frustrated I have been over the years in regard to a lot of the stuff that the party has done in regard to ballot access. I have issued warnings on multiple occasions (sometimes right here on IPR) that were ignored and led to the party or candidates either failing to make the ballot, or just barely making the ballot after doing expensive last minute saves or barely surviving challenges, none of which would have been necessary if my advice had been followed and the job was done correctly from the beginning. I have issued recommendations on how ballot drives could be executed more efficiently, and actually be used as recruiting and outreach tools to build the party which go beyond bare bones signature gathering, yet nobody bothers to implement any of these things. I have witness multiple undeserving individuals get paid large sums of money for ballot access, only to see a lot of that money often get wasted on lots of invalid signatures, and/or people who go out and misrepresent the party to the public, and/or who do nothing build the party beyond the bare minimum it takes to get somebody to sign their name to a petition. I have been sounding alarm bells about these things for several years now, yet little to nothing has changed.

    Some people may say, “Yeah, but the LP made the ballot in all 50 states plus DC this time, so they must be doing things right.”

    If only this were so! The presidential ticket made the ballot in all 50 state plus DC, but most of it was done in a suboptimal manner rather than an optimal manner. A disproportionate share of the work was done by non-libertarian mercenaries, which in these cases means that little to no outreach/field recruiting took place. There were several stressful, and expensive last minute saves that had be be done, all of which could have been avoided if the party had just done things properly from the start. Lots of valuable time was wasted. Rights violations happened to petition circulators in multiple states, and the party did nothing about it as usual. Libertarian Party candidates for local and district offices FAILED to make the ballot in several states (Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Alabama are the ones of which I am aware that had petitions for these offices that failed, but there could have been others).

    So welcome to the frustration club chapter of the Libertarian Party.

  29. Andy

    How much was spent on the new website, or was it done for free? If there was money spent on the website, can someone direct me to a record for what was spent? I combed through the FEC reports a few weeks ago and I could not find it. Maybe the payment was made to a corporation of which I am not familiar and therefore did not recognize that it was a payment for the new website.

    I was skeptical about the proposal for a new website myself, and I expressed this concern right here on IPR when it was being discussed. I did not think that there was anything wrong with the previous website, and I failed to see a compelling reason to change it when we were in the middle of a big election year. I said that if it was going to be changed, that this was something to work on after the election was over.

    After seeing the new website, I fail to see how it is an improvement over the old site. If anything, I thought the old site was better.

    I agree with Chuck that it was not a good thing to have the website down when it got close to election time as that would be a time when the site is most likely to draw the most traffic, as that is when the highest percent of the population pays attention to politics.

  30. Chuck Moulton

    Ken Moellman wrote:

    I don’t really know why there’s such vitriol in my direction, as if I had anything to do with the website. I’m trying to stay positive, and I’m working with others to fix the problems, and that’s all I can do.

    I’m not spreading vitriol. I’m giving you the low down on how I and many others feel about this insanity.

    However, I’ve read the business list. Although you didn’t cause the mess, I’ve seen you make excuses for it and obstruct people looking for explanations, accountability, and fixes.

    I also see the inherent problem in a long string of people saying “I didn’t cause THIS problem. The LAST guy did. Trust me… I’m NEW.” Where does it end? The way to break that cycle is to 1) fix the last problem before you move on to a new project that may cause additional problems and 2) do more vetting of the qualifications, competence, and knowledge of project managers than “he’s new, he wasn’t the guy who screwed up the last thing, so let’s put 648924783 things under his control.”

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