Virginia Constitution Party Disaffiliates From National CP

Yesterday, in a 3-2 vote, the Virginia Constitution Party formally disaffiliated from the National Constitution Party. The following statement was issued by VA CP Chairman, John Bloom. This follows the recent disaffiliations of the Idaho CP, the South Dakota CP and the Alaska CP, as well as the disbanding of the Montana CP.

 

47 thoughts on “Virginia Constitution Party Disaffiliates From National CP

  1. paulie

    OR… the birth of the Constitutional Party!

    “Life and Liberty” did not work our or is that a different thing?

  2. NewFederalist

    I don’t understand the reference so I guess it must be a different thing. I just always felt that the term Constitution Party was incorrect. The Republic Party is the Republican Party; the Democrat or Democracy Party is the Democratic Party; the Liberty Party is the Libertarian Party so why wouldn’t the Constitution Party be the Constitutional Party? Just a word game. And the labeling of CP followers as Constitutionists is really silly. My $0.02 worth.

  3. paulie

    I’m not sure how well that party will handle its current problems under any version of its name or any name it chooses.

  4. paulie

    Life and Liberty is an offshoot of some former CP members. At least that’s the name they are using in Arkansas and maybe some other states.

  5. Michigan Voter

    Yet, again members of a third party taking their ball and going home because they didn’t get their way. Maybe it is because many people attracted to third parties are contrarians. Political parties exist to nominate candidates. The only time the state parties must cooperate is putting forth a national ticket. Focus on supporting candidates and not internal battles.

    In any event, I am not a CP member, but this is an example of a group of people being irrational. Grow up and try to grow a majority who agree with you. In the meantime, work to elect candidates instead of winning internal arguments.

  6. paulie

    They’re alleging internal corruption and possible deliberate Republican Party controlled sabotage from the top. That seems like a valid concern. There’s no effective way to build support if that is in fact going on.

  7. Richard Winger

    The Virginia Constitution Party has never been a qualified party. Every presidential election the party must petition to place its presidential nominee on the Virginia ballot. So whether the Virginia Constitution Party disaffiliates from the national party doesn’t have the same consequences that it might have had. There is no impediment to the national party paying paid circulators to put the party’s presidential nominee on the ballot in 2020, and using the label “Constitution.” The state officers of the Constitution Party cannot block the national party from using “Constitution”.

  8. George Phillies

    Yes, Michigan Voter, they’re almost as bad as all those Whig Party supporters abandoning their party for a group you’ve never heard of, the Republican Party.

    Perhaps everything is cleaned up and they re-united. The folks who gave them the theocrat platform did not make their party stronger.

  9. paulie

    Hmm, did not know you had Florida. That makes it more interesting Do you have your electors lined up there? What are other states do you want to realistically do and when?

  10. Timothy Yung

    I am also wondering: has the Life and Liberty Party has had discussions with the Constitution Party of Oregon, the Independent American Party, and the American Independent Party of California?

  11. Timothy Yung

    Has the Life and Liberty Party been in discussions with the Constitution Party of Oregon, the Independent American Party, and the American Independent Party of California?

  12. NewFederalist

    What are adherents/members/supporters of the Life and Liberty Party called? That would seem to be a downside of that particular name.

  13. J.R. Myers

    It isn’t easty to find an available name. Most are already taken. Then, to get consensus on the name & logo!
    Members could be called, Alive & Free! or Constitutional Centrists, or L&Lers. That’s a minor issue.
    We are talking to, or will be communicating with all who may be potential coalition partners. State strategy is evolving, as are potential candidates.

  14. Jared

    A few (I hope) constructive criticisms:

    As a non-commercial organization, “.org” is probably a more appropriate domain.

    The logo is too ornate. There is too much going on, and the racing flames are just noise. It looks more like a coat of arms, and that stencil-type font is cold and industrial. A simpler, softer logo would have wider appeal. There are also too many typefaces displayed on the homepage, which makes it look cluttered.

    The color scheme comes off as a bit anarcho-capitalistic. Yellow is traditionally signifies optimistic liberalism, and black signifies iconoclastic anarchism. Given that yellow is not one of our country’s patriotic colors, it’s sort of already claimed by another third party, and having to focus on it for sustained periods of time–especially against a white background–can be off-putting, the L&LP might be better off going with an alternative color palette, unless it chooses to identify ideologically with liberalism.

    Unless it’s going to become a core policy position, the casual reference to GMOs should be dropped.

  15. paulie

    Agreed with Jared. Also, not as well known in the US, but white, yellow and black is the color scheme of Russian neo-monarchism and neo-imperialism, most often used as code by Russian neo-fascists because swastikas and other fascist symbols are against the law.

  16. NewFederalist

    “It isn’t easy to find an available name. Most are already taken.” – J.R. Myers

    Most but not all. I would keep looking. This one is a sure loser.

  17. paulie

    There are many names available. It’s OK to use a name which part of is being used by someone else. For example, while there is a Peace and Freedom Party (currently only in California) and an American Freedom Party (not on the ballot anywhere right now, to my knowledge), there’s no Freedom Party as such that I can think of. What’s wrong with the name Freedom Party? Liberty is also a word that appears in the name of some parties such as Vermont’s Liberty Union Party and is similar to Libertarian. “Independent” or “Independence” are party names which make it easier to get signatures and votes. While a few states have parties with such names and some don’t allow parties to have that name, most states do not fall into either of those categories. And so on.

  18. NewFederalist

    How ’bout United States Sovereign Republic (USSR) party? Ah… on second thought… 😉

  19. George Phillies

    Being concerned about the colors of Russian monarchists is like being concerned about secret Lichtensteiner plots to conquer the world.

    “Amierican Centrist Party” Membrs are called Americans, or Centrists.

  20. paulie

    How ’bout United States Sovereign Republic (USSR) party? Ah… on second thought…

    Probably not the best either, LOL. I would not suggest anything that comes out as CCCP either such as Confederate Christian Conservative Party, for instance.

  21. paulie

    Being concerned about the colors of Russian monarchists is like being concerned about secret Lichtensteiner plots to conquer the world.

    Russian imperialism mixed with fascism is on a worldwide march, including in the US. They consider themselves the new Roman Empire and the new Crusaders, the saviors of the white race and Christendom, etc, etc. Given the prevalence of Putinism among some US paleoconservatives it’s best not to associate with that particular color scheme, which is also representative of so called “anarcho-nationalists” (more accurately anarcho-racists).

  22. NewFederalist

    I get the distinct impression that Mr. Myers may not find our advice useful! I do think the Confederation of Conservative Christian Parties may already be taken. And yes Prof. Phillies Liechtenstein poses a serious threat to the world of philately and must be dealt with. I suspect San Marino is already working with the Trump Administration to work out first strike details.

  23. NewFederalist

    There was a Christian Nationalist Party back in the 50’s. While the term “Nationalist” may be very out of favor perhaps a take on the name the Drys went to in the 60’s like American Christian Party (or National Christian Party) might be more workable than Life and Liberty. I assume Christian is not a turn off given the pro-life stance of the party.

  24. paulie

    Self-proclaimed Christians are not the only ones who want to use government laws to stop abortion, though they are at the forefront of that movement. Anything with “Christian” in the name sounds theocratic as well as like “anyone who is not a Christian not welcome to join.” Nationalist, in US politics nowadays, has mostly come to mean white nationalist, unless otherwise specified, e.g. black nationalist. I would advise steering clear of those words in a party name unless that’s what you want to convey.

  25. J.R. Myers

    The name and logo are set for now. Color scheme remains subject to ongoing revision. We will not limit our membership to members of any faith, creed, race or religion. I like the ‘Alive, Free & Happy’ designation for our members.

  26. Jared

    I suppose the trick regarding a new party name is to avoid labels which are too constrictive or hold negative connotations for some reachable communities (“Christian”, “Conservative”) because they can alienate and even potentially mislead people who would otherwise lend their support, as well as labels which are hopelessly vague or ambiguous (“Freedom”, “Centrist”) because they communicate next to nothing about ideology, which forces people to research you just to figure out what general direction you’re coming from. It ain’t easy to thread that needle.

  27. paulie

    Freedom sounds no less non-specific than Liberty, and far less obscure than Libertarian. I don’t see a problem with Centrist or Conservative for parties which match those descriptions, although I’d go with Moderate over Centrist in that particular case. I’d stay away from Christian unless your goal was a Christians-only party which has no problem with an official government religion as long as it’s theirs. I would not go with Nationalist unless I was OK with having a bunch of guys with shaved heads and swastika tattoos, or missing front teeth and white robes in their closets, show up and get prominent roles in party leadership.

  28. Jared

    “Freedom” is a term embraced under varying definitions across the political spectrum: by libertarians, conservatives, anarchists, nationalists, and communists. Nobody admits to being anti-freedom. “Liberty” is clearly synonymous, but I personally find it awkward to apply to freedom in the positive sense. “Libertarian” might still be somewhat obscure to the political mainstream, but it at least describes an established family of ideologies. It might be familiar enough to give people a rough idea of what the LP might be about, obscure enough that not everyone has a formed opinion about it and the party itself is in a position to shape impressions.

    A party that identifies foremost as “conservative” in the U.S. would likely struggle to disentangle itself from whatever the GOP stands for, since to many (ignorant, myopic) people the values and policy preferences of the Republican base define conservatism. Some people will simply assume that a “conservative” third party must be too right-wing for the GOP. Maybe I’m nitpicking, but I believe naming your brand is one of the most consequential (and difficult to undo) marketing decisions.

    “Centrist” is deceptively ambiguous. It can refer to a “socially liberal and economically conservative” neoliberal (Rockefeller Republican-type) centrist, a “socially conservative and economically liberal” communitarian (Blue Dog Democrat-type) centrist, a “Can’t we all just get along?” civility centrist, a “Let’s fundamentally transform society from the middle” radical centrist, an “I don’t care enough to form any strong opinions” apolitical centrist, a “Truth must lie somewhere between left and right on every issue” therapeutic centrist, or an “I never want to be thought of as an extremist” image-conscious centrist. My concern over the “moderate” label is that it signals a lack of passion.

  29. paulie

    Nobody admits to being anti-freedom.

    Do a lot of people admit to being anti-liberty or anti-democracy or anti-republic or anti-justice etc?

    “Libertarian” might still be somewhat obscure to the political mainstream

    After half a century it’s a lot less obscure, but 50 years ago it was Nth level obscure. Only a very committed group of nerds could have thought that was a good name for a new party back then. ‘

    Some people will simply assume that a “conservative” third party must be too right-wing for the GOP.

    Yes, I’d only name my party that if that was in fact the case.

    Maybe I’m nitpicking, but I believe naming your brand is one of the most consequential (and difficult to undo) marketing decisions.

    Agreed.

    “Centrist” is deceptively ambiguous. It can refer to a “socially liberal and economically conservative” neoliberal (Rockefeller Republican-type) centrist, a “socially conservative and economically liberal” communitarian (Blue Dog Democrat-type) centrist, a “Can’t we all just get along?” civility centrist, a “Let’s fundamentally transform society from the middle” radical centrist, an “I don’t care enough to form any strong opinions” apolitical centrist, a “Truth must lie somewhere between left and right on every issue” therapeutic centrist, or an “I never want to be thought of as an extremist” image-conscious centrist.

    Yes, it would probably have to be a coalition of several of these to make it in a political world inspired by passionate extremes.

    My concern over the “moderate” label is that it signals a lack of passion.

    In a way it does but it seemed like a pretty popular label when we put a party by that name on the ballot in Rhode Island.

  30. NewFederalist

    I’m guessing staying away from words like “American” or “Independent” due to some states prohibiting them in party names is advisable. How about really going for the
    ‘Piss them off factor” and naming a new party Democratic Republican? It hasn’t been used in over 200 years.

  31. Peter Gemma

    the logo is dreadful – someone’s 14 year old nephew did it “awesome, dude!”
    Motorcycle gang logos have simpler designs

  32. paulie

    I’m guessing staying away from words like “American” or “Independent” due to some states prohibiting them in party names is advisable.

    Not necessarily. Parties can have different names in different states. The Constitution Party is still the US Taxpayers Party in Michigan, Independent American in Utah, etc; Greens are Mountain Party in WV, Green Rainbow in Mass, and so on. American or Independent are banned by some states precisely because they help a party electorally and make it easier to get signatures and register voters.

  33. Jared

    South Carolina has a centrist party that until a few months ago went by the “American Party”–to my mind a pretty odd name for a state-exclusive party. They’ve teamed up with some other centrist state parties and the Modern Whig Party to form the national Alliance Party. Haven’t heard much about them recently.

  34. NewFederalist

    Cool Moose Party used to be qualified in Rhode Island. Since Lincoln Chaffee never joined I would guess it’s no longer a name in use. Gotta LOVE a name like that!

  35. paulie

    Some states also have a party named after the state, so if a party used Independent or American, in the states where that is not allowed or there is one already they could use the state name as the name of their party,

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