This information was posted in the comment section of onthewilderside.com, by my co-blogger there, Ian Wilder, who is a Green Party member:
The Convention is May 15th, so there is no decision yet about who is running.
Sander Hicks, Jeff Peress, and Bob Gumbs have announced their intentions to seek the Senate nominations. There is talk about Howie Hawkins or Cecile Lawrence for Governor. There is also talk about Rachel Treichler for Attorney General and Julia Willebrand for Comptroller.
I do not expect to know any solid answers until May 15th.
“Milnes is in NJ, not NY. He is polling at 30-40%, give or take several orders of magnitude”
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Hereās an interesting tidbit from Ballot Access News:
http://www.ballot-access.org/2010/03/22/siena-research-poll-samples-new-york-gubernatorial-election-includes-libertarian-warren-redlich/
āSiena Research recently did a poll of the New York gubernatorial election, and included three candidates, Democrat Andrew Cuomo, Republican Rick Lazio, and Libertarian Warren Redlich. The results: Cuomo 59%, Lazio 21%, Redlich 3%, undecided or others 17%.ā
The Green Party needs about 1.3% to regain ballot status. Doable? Eminently doable, in my humble opinion.
Even if I am incorrect above and Redlich was listed as a Libertarian in the poll, 3% in the polls in March frequently translates to less than 1.3% in November.
In terms of ballot access, Davis is probably the best bet for the Libertarians, and Rev. Billy is probably the best bet for the Greens (if he is willing to run).
Dave,
Nothing but respect for Al Lewis and Reverend Billy, but lately Iāve been hearing that New York Greens should run someone less showy, more policy-wonkish, and Howie fits that bill.
Not my party, so not so much my business, but I think Rev. Billy would be much more likely to get you to 50k than e.g. Hawkins.
And regarding a similar argument with Libertarians, Richard Cooper writes:
Warren Redlich, seeking the LP nomination for governor, is polling 3-4% depending on the GOP candidate according to the Siena College poll http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/eyeon2010/2010/03/cuomo-leads-big-while-republic.html
Visit http://www.wredlich.com/ny
No mention of Milnes.
Milnes is in NJ, not NY. He is polling at 30-40%, give or take several orders of magnitude.
I didn’t follow the link, but if this is the same poll discussed on the IPR email list, Tom Knapp wrote in response: “The LPNY needs 50k _on the Libertarian ballot line_ to qualify for the
ballot for the next four years.
Redlich is running for the LP _and_ GOP nominations, and the poll seems to refer to him as a GOP, not LP candidate.
If 50k votes on the LP ballot line is the goal, Davis is probably more likely to make the cut, even dismissing the likelihood that Redlich
will pull a William Weld and drop his run altogether when he fails to get the GOP nod.”
would like Mickey Cavlan to know:
My military and academic back ground
blend in titles with names. Notice that
I often address Donald J. Grundmann
and George Phillips as Doctor.
Having known and dated [especially
on active duty] tons of nurses, I have
no illusions of pillow fluffing ……..
You indicate a title other than Mister
and I am just following thru!
More on women [don’t under stand em
but I love em!] and nurses: I [a non
drinking Southern Baptist] was shanghai’d
to the officers’ club by some of my
comrades.
Stuck on base [after years in
a college dormitory] I dated lots of
former wives and girlfriends and active
duties nurses.
My male colleagues were griping about
females in increasing combat roles.
My jaw dropped open! ‘One reason that
I am so slow to marry is the terrifying
prospect of fighting after break ups or
divorce! Women can’t fight ?????? You
guys are soooooooooooo clue less!’
Don AKA Dear Thinkers
Thank you Sir for the kind words and funny as hell nick name “Irish Thunder.”.
As a Nurse I look to Florence Nightingale for influence..
The popular image of the founder of Nursing is a gentle, quiet pillow fluffer..
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Florence became a strong anti-war activist after treating some of the men injured during the Crimean War.. She also became a loud advocate for the poor, after seeing them and treating them in the slums of London.
Florence Nightingale was a flaming anti-war, anti-rich radical.
She da woman..
She had no happy smiley, good ship lolly pop of hope. She was for real…
OK on to organize a real, honest and unafraid opposition to the rotten, corporate corrupted and pro-war two party system.
Like we really mean it..
Carry On
want to thank ‘Irish Thunder’ Michael Cavlan RN // Mar 23, 2010:
“………….. So in the interest of fairness,”
so much of what you say has been lived
by others. It is a crying shame that Greens
[and other loyal opposition] have dropped
the ball.
Not only have the entire spectrum
of non Democans and non Republicrats
stumbled and bumbled their way to
ineptitude and insignificance, but the
reformers * [2000] and the Natural Law
Party [2004] are now DOA!
So goes the nation ……….
Any bets that the nation of our birth
will unrecognized by 2050 and gone by
2100 ???????????
Mr. Cavlan, your litmus test on anti-semitism (hostility to Gov. Schwarzenegger) is irrational.
Barrett’s calls for violence and armed insurrection are irresponsible. Serious truth movement people face enough trouble getting heard even without tolerating raving lunatics.
Yes I agree that Israel appears to be a racist state. Barrett’s blatant Jew-hatred hurts any cause he might associate with, including 9/11 truth and justice for Palestine.
The Youtube video makes clear that Barrett made the holocaust-trivializing remark that “toasting six million Jews” was a less serious crime than was the invasion of Poland. It also shows the self proclaimed expert Barrett to be woefully misinformed on the subject of the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.
Hicks’s support for a violence-mongering bigot and kook continues a pattern of association with individuals who discredit the 9/11 truth movement and the Green Party.
Brian Good
So in the interest of fairness, I went to your you tube link, looking for evidence of crazy talk by Kevin Barrett.
If that is the best you got and you CLAIM (Mr Brian Good, who ever the hell that is) to be a 9-11 Truther then I suggest you do your homework a little better.
Oh and for the record, the media is controlled by people who support the racist state of Israel as well as the corporate plutocracy two party system.
Who also support the racist state of Israel..
Brian Good
First, I am NOT a Green. I was one but not no mo’..
Second, if Kevin Barrett is an anti-Semite then why would he call for burn Arnold Swartzeneggers house? After all Arnold comes from a Nazi family (true, some of his family in Austria were members of the Nazi party).
As for Kevin Barrett calling for an insurrection against the Obama administration, my response is… so?
Hell, I call for an insurrection against the Obama Administration. Because Barack Obama is a war criminal just like George Bush.
Like I say, any who publicly oppose the openly racist Israel government is called anti-Semite. often in an organized manner.
So Mr Brian Good.
Lets ask you, who ever you are.. Is the state of Israel an openly racist state?
simple question
Yes or No?
Here’s an interesting tidbit from Ballot Access News:
http://www.ballot-access.org/2010/03/22/siena-research-poll-samples-new-york-gubernatorial-election-includes-libertarian-warren-redlich/
“Siena Research recently did a poll of the New York gubernatorial election, and included three candidates, Democrat Andrew Cuomo, Republican Rick Lazio, and Libertarian Warren Redlich. The results: Cuomo 59%, Lazio 21%, Redlich 3%, undecided or others 17%.”
The Green Party needs about 1.3% to regain ballot status. Doable? Eminently doable, in my humble opinion.
Steve:
“Spitzerās win was so assured that we thought the ādonāt waste your vote helping a Dem landslideā would resonate, but it didnāt.”
That was in 2006, after 6 years of Bush and 12 years of Pataki. Lots of people thought the Dems would change everything, but now it’s clear that little has changed. I’m not saying that will catapult the Greens to assured ballot status, but it does create a favorable atmosphere to turn 40,000+ votes for gov into 50,000+ if we put in the work.
“Hawkins has no general recognition, except as a perennial loser. HIS numbers reflected some anti-Hillary backlash.”
Howie Hawkins is known and respected throughout the Green movement, which is a start. I think of him as GPNYS’ own Abe Lincoln – fighting the good fight tirelessly, even if he hasn’t gotten elected yet. He doesn’t have to win the governor’s race, just get 50,000 votes. Nothing but respect for Al Lewis and Reverend Billy, but lately I’ve been hearing that New York Greens should run someone less showy, more policy-wonkish, and Howie fits that bill.
“The Dems and WFP will still do everything possible to prevent Green presence in balloting, debates, media, and will use fear-mongering and other means to undermine Green efforts to be taken seriously. Been there, done thatā¦ and it will be done again.”
The Dems and Working-For-Democrats party will lie about us, and we’ll tell the truth about them. They can’t fool all of the people all of the time.
“Dissatisfaction with Dems or even with Repubs doesnāt automatically translate into support of Greens. ”
Who said that it did? Dissatisfaction with Democrat-dominated government creates an opening for an independent progressive party, but it’s up to us to capitalize on it. Still, I think the landscape is different enough in 2010 that we can add 10,000 votes for governor.
“The Greens have had their chance several times and increasingly have blown it.”
Some of our local candidates in 2009 – including Howie Hawkins – tallied record Green votes in places like Syracuse and NYC. What is your evidence that the party is done for?
I understand if you feel burned out, but if we’re talking about an objective discussion of GPNYS’s chances to get 50,000 votes for governor, what is the basis for your argument that we can’t do better than 2002 and 2006?
“Independent media and the internet didnāt make enough difference then, and canāt now. ”
How many more NYers are on twitter than in 2006? How many more are using facebook? How many more read their news online instead of off a dead tree?
Check out JillStein.org for an example of a Green candidate making good use of the internet.
“The Green Party is damaged goods with a built-in reputation as wacky, impractical losers. Any ācorporate mediaā coverage will only be to reinforce that.”
Check out how the Syracuse Post-Standard writes about Howie Hawkins:
http://www.howiehawkins.com/endorsements.php
My point is that objectively, 2010 would seem to be the New York Greens’ best opportunity in over a decade to regain ballot status. If we regain ballot status, we’ll regain momentum. I just don’t understand why a long-time party member would decide to give up just when we have a fighting chance.
Dear Nan, thanks for writing what you did about Sander Hicks. It helped me to remember why I left the Green Party in the first place.
think that Space Cadet Captain Cody Quirk is too poor to pay attention!
[Nurse Michael Cavlan: “Ad Hominem attacks. what the opposition do [es] when they have no facts to back up their position …………. “]
think that the main stream press and the average citizen will soon forget Maine’s Patricia LaMarshe’s battle cry of ‘Don’t Vote For Me!’
——- On the other hand, there is the embittered and energized Loyal Opposition!
Dave:
Been there, done that.
Everything you’re saying I’ve heard before; indeed, *I* was saying it over and over until the contradictory reality hit me between the eyes.
Spitzer’s win was so assured that we thought the “don’t waste your vote helping a Dem landslide” would resonate, but it didn’t. Julia’s high vote was simply a response to corruption in the comptroller candidates.
Hawkins has no general recognition, except as a perennial loser. HIS numbers reflected some anti-Hillary backlash.
Hicks has too much baggage, even if it isn’t based on anything but guilt by association.
The Dems and WFP will still do everything possible to prevent Green presence in balloting, debates, media, and will use fear-mongering and other means to undermine Green efforts to be taken seriously. Been there, done that… and it will be done again.
Dissatisfaction with Dems or even with Repubs doesn’t automatically translate into support of Greens. The Greens have had their chance several times and increasingly have blown it. The “case” you say should be made HAS been made. Several times. No traction, no credibility, no growth, no chance.
Independent media and the internet didn’t make enough difference then, and can’t now. The Green Party is damaged goods with a built-in reputation as wacky, impractical losers. Any “corporate media” coverage will only be to reinforce that. Again… been there, done that.
Wishful thinking and denial… potent and perennial hurdles to objective observation and clear thinking.
Not satisfied with mere bigotry, Barrett has called for insurrection against the Obama government, and threatened to burn down Arnold Schwarzenegger’s house. It’s a disgrace that Greens like Hicks, Cavlan, and Brouillet defend him.
Dr. Barrett has declared in his blog that 9/11 was done “by and for zionist Jews.” He has posted “Jews-run-the-media” stuff so ignorant that it wrongly spells the names of the people (“Robert Murdoch” for instance) it is attacking.
In another post calling for Americans to support Taliban he linked to another article on that theme that named as current media figures people who had left the jobs that were ascribed to them as long ago as 1995. He has called for 500,000 zionists to be rounded up and imprisoned in concentration camps. He characterized the holocaust on a 50,000-watt radio station as “toasting six million Jews”.
If Barrett is not a Jew-baiting bigot, he’s sure doing a hell of job impersonating one.
Warren Redlich, seeking the LP nomination for governor, is polling 3-4% depending on the GOP candidate according to the Siena College poll http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/eyeon2010/2010/03/cuomo-leads-big-while-republic.html
Visit http://www.wredlich.com/ny
No mention of Milnes.
Brian Good
I am not anonymous either. Quite the opposite. As for “responsible” Truthers, well who the hell are they? people like nan up above?
Anyone, anyone who thinks that we need a new independent investigation into the 9-11 attacks should be applauded.
If Kevin Barrett is indeed an anti-Semetic bigot then I would call him on it like any other. I have not seen it and know of no history of it. I do know that any who stand in opposition to the racist state of Israel seem to suddenly attract organized smears and cries of anti-Semite.
Or self hating jews if they are Jewish.
As for your smart assed comment about people in the mid west, well sorry but gotta let ya fall on that one..
I was born in California to irish parents. They moved myself and my brothers to northern Ireland in 1969 near belfast.. I returned to the US in 1985 and moved to Minnesota in 1998, after I got my Nursing degree.
Ad Hominem attacks. what the opposition do when they have no facts to back up their position.
Well Mr. Cavlan, I’m not anonymous. Yeah, I know Milwaukee and MN think Kevin is grand. Midwesterners like to conform, even when they’re truthers. So everybody sort of gloms on to Kev, from Jesse to Dr. Fetzer, and I hear Kev’s a funny and entertaining guy.
The problem is that every time he gets a mainstream mic he can’t resist playing the kooky truther (though I suspect his blatant Jew-baiting has ended his mainstream days forever) and he never met a loony conspiracy theory he didn’t like. He’s a great embarrassment to responsible Truthers, and I’m unhappy that you and Sander can’t seem to see that.
“Many of the 9-11 Truthers I know, in groups like MN 9-11 Truth, Minnesota We Are Change and others seem to think that Kevin Barrett is grand. Jim Fetzer too for that matter.”
I’m sure you speak for them all.
Fetzer says the planes that hit the WTC weren’t real, that space weapons destroyed the WTC, and he supports the claims of Morgan Reynolds who said that “cartoons” hit the buildings.
Barrett says there were no Arab hijackers. I guess the planes flew themselves — it’s not clear if he believes there were any real passengers.
I guess the WeAreChange people who adore this kind of nonsense think it was all a magic show? Like the Pentagon plane “flew over” the building and no one noticed? That’s what Sander Hicks puts out to the public at his conferences.
Sander:
“Nan, this is defamatory. Itās malicious. You have no source that I ever claimed the 9/11 planes were not real. ”
By giving a mic and stage to the people who do make those claims, you effectively promote those claims to the public. You made the choice and you’re supposedly an ADULT? And then when someone points this out you scream “defamatory and malicious?”
Sorry, these are just the facts. Anyone can peruse the links themselves.
Did you ever once, during that conference on the last anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, say that you *disagreed* with the claim that a real plane never hit the Pentagon?
Did you ever say, “The Jewish mafia did NOT do 9/11” while hosting your other guest?
No, you just gave them the venue to dump those claims on NYers.
You just give them a mic and a stage on the anniversary when so many people died and then sit back and claim you are innocent.
These are simple facts that Greens should know about.
For example, here you are boasting about being on Nightline but anyone who watches the clip of you on there can see for themselves — you told the reporter you were a “scientist and historian,” and the reporter says, “A scientist and historian?! I thought you said you were a musician. . . ” So easy to trip you up, after all these years . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqQHHYaBsGg
Brian Good
Funny thing that.. Many of the 9-11 Truthers I know, in groups like MN 9-11 Truth, Minnesota We Are Change and others seem to think that Kevin Barrett is grand. Jim Fetzer too for that matter.
The only ones who attack them are some anonymous and unknown “truther.”
Funny that.
So anyway, how many others here find Green party fan kind of funny and entertaining?
It is great news the Green Party of New York will do this.
Thank you for the coverage of the Green Party of New York.
Howie Hawkins is disciplined, focused, and relentless in getting on the ballot for the Green Party and lifting important alternatives.
The Green Party of New York have a major mountain to climb to get all the required signatures for ballot access.
Good luck…
Michael Kavlan — Kevin Barrett is a wacko who makes the truth movement look bad. He has recently on his blog advocated that Americans support Taliban, that they engage in armed insurrection, that 500,000 zionists be imprisoned in concentration camps, and he has threatened to burn down Governor Schwarzenegger’s mansion.
Every time Barrett gets a mainstream microphone he says something stupid. The “toasting Jews” remark was on 50,000-watt KDKA radio last summer, on a program that reaches the eastern half of the nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnxWitXLOdM
In his blog he posted a chart of people he considered Jews-Who-Run-the-Media and didn’t even spell their names right, naming “Robert Murdoch” and “Summer Redstone” on the list.
Last fall when he was interviewed by Russia Today he made serious errors of fact in the first four minutes, claiming that Larry Silverstein confessed to blowing up World Trade Center Building 7, claiming that Mr. Silverstein got $20 billion in profits from the WTC, and claiming that polls show that 36% of Americans think it’s likely that 9/11 was an inside job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjxa4KzT52k&feature=PlayList&p=8D7BD7526A7202A0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=29
Barrett is a kook who makes the truth movement look bad.
think the Cody Quirk Award
MAKING IT UP AS SHE GOES ALONG
goes to “Nan” [Whats Her Face]
REgarding Sander Hicks // Mar 22, 2010 ….
“………. no source that I ever claimed the 9/11 planes were not real. That is because I have never said that, and itās never been published anywhere. Sloppy. Regarding the āFuck the Leftā allegation, I never said that either …….”
Nan, this is defamatory. It’s malicious. You have no source that I ever claimed the 9/11 planes were not real. That is because I have never said that, and it’s never been published online, anywhere.
Sloppy.
Regarding the “Fuck the Left” allegation, I never said that either. I have been working very hard to build a bridge between the Left and the bigger Truth Movement. I published an entire report on this, on my website:
http://sanderhicks.com/newenglandreport.html
I will tell you that I DID learn a few things about “agent-baiting” from the blow-up between Barrie Zwicker and the Socialists, on this issue of a Peace Movement-Truth Movement bridge. Zwicker and Truth Movement people have been guilty of being a bit too quick to label our enemies “agents” of Cointelpro. We all learned something from this experience.
It’s important to know and recognize Cointelpro agents. But that doesn’t mean all enemies of the Truth Movement are agents. You need proof.
On the other hand, there has been a lot of loose talk about us, too. I have been called everything from a “McCarthyite” to a “Conspiracy monger” to an engager of “tea-party politics.” I have been defamed in the Socialist Worker by pseudo journalists who write without factual basis.
I was on ABC’s Nightline two weeks ago, though, because the 9/11 Truth issue is important. The crime is treason, and the movement is huge. I really believe that the Truth movement is a path to destablize the two-parties of Wall Street, the two parties of war and 9/11 cover-up.
Just yeterday, I read that Obama’s White House has blocked the intelligence budget, because they oppose the clause that creates the first investigation of the Anthrax attacks.
Read what I’ve done recently in the Truth Movement, lately here:
http://sanderhicks.com/911truthMisc.html
S
I am a former Green Party member, who is doubting that Greens can succeed in petitioning New Yorkers to get their statewide candidates on the ballot. Forget about getting 50K+ votes for a party ballotline. Please prove me wrong David Levner!
think that Nurse Cavlan is inhabiting
Don Lake’s body, erh, ah, at least his
brain. Two parallel paths!
Nan, were the planes real that strafed
the non combatant USS Liberty ??????
No ‘free passes’ for Israel, Bruce Cohen,
John Dennis Coffey, John Blare, Valli
Sharpe Giesler, John Bambey, and Frank
($500) MacKay ……….
Israel Alive, Yes!
Israel First, No!
Nan
Done some very interesting reading, Specifically a piece about how any who criticize the racist state of Israel will be called anti-Semite.. Unless they are Jews, in which case they will be called self hating Jews. That these attacks are organized and systematic..
So in that theme, you just made a statement about Kevin Barrett, who lived in Wisconsin and who I have met numerous times. You claim that Kevin Barrett said that the “holocaust toasted 6 million Jews.
Please back up that claim with facts, with a link.
Or else you have just been outed..
Oh and I agree in part about the Peace Movement and 9-11 . Although it is infiltrated by DEMOCRATS, not agents..
As for the left comment, well I am a lefty and I say FUCK THE LEFT.. Or more to the point, what left, what peace movement?
you know, I had Malachy McCourt at my house and spoke at an event (in an Irish pub in Minneapolis) for my run in 2006.
Steve Krulick, you are absolutely right. But of course all those dedicated activists who supported Ralph Nader or like myself saw them as FRIENDS and ALLIES instead of enemies have been the real problem.. At least some seem to think so.
Oh well, carry on building and organizing a real honest and unafraid opposition to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system.
Like we really mean it. No good ship, lolly pop of hope, happy smiley faces provided.
Grin
Steve:
As a New York Green, I’m cautiously optimistic that we can get 50,000 votes for governor and regain ballot status.
In 2002 and 2006, we were hurt by the anti-Nader smear campaign, while progressives were generally friendly to the Democratic Party in the face of Republican control of national and state government. Spitzer was wildly popular in 2006, and the Democrats paid off the Working Families Party to depress the Green vote, with the WFP going so far as to lie that Cindy Sheehan had endorsed their strategy of voting for pro-war Democrats to make an anti-war statement. Despite the conditions, McCourt got 40,000+ votes, while Howie Hawkins got 55,000 for US Senate and Julia Willebrand over 100,000 for comptroller.
In 2010, we have to add 10,000 votes for governor. Fortunately, disenchantment with the Democrats/WFP is higher thanks to Obama, Paterson, and the state legislature, disgraceful as ever whether controlled by Repubs or Dems.
To get there, Greens need a good candidate. Howie Hawkins would be good: intelligent working-class hero and policy wonk that he is.
We also need to make the case that voting Green for governor is better than wasting your vote on a Democratic landslide, since it helps to build an independent progressive party that can challenge stagnant one-party rule in cities across New York. We should be honest about our goals: altho we’d be happy to win, getting over 50,000 votes and regaining ballot status is all we really need for 2010.
Along with a more favorable political environment, we also have more independent media and social media at our disposal. Our campaign for governor should be completely plugged in to the internet’s various tools for creating publicity. With some clever promo work (Green Tea Parties, anyone?) we might also get more than usual coverage from the corporate media. After all, the Green Party did have a very active year last year in NYC.
So I’m cautiously optimistic that GPNYS can regain ballot status, cautious because we have to put in the work to make it happen, and optimistic because the conditions are favorable if we choose to take advantage of them.
The more the merrier, Im still backing Redlich though.
One of the speakers at Hicks’ 9/11 anniversary conference in NYC was David Steele, who claims the “Jewish Mafia” did 9/11. Apparently Sander Hicks is okay with that kind of thing.
Here’s what Steele claims:
“He also points the finger at Larry Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center complex, of having being warned by Mossad. Steele goes on further to say that Goldman Sachs was involved as with rest of the ‘New York City Jewish mafia.’ Concluding his statement, he cites former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani as also being involved in the cover-up, ‘Giuliani destroyed the crime scene with trucks and GPS prearranged. The Pentagon was hit by a missile and conveniently went into both a construction area while also (it is claimed) destroying all the computers containing all the evidence needed to track down the missing 2.3 trillion Rumsfeld was being grilled about on the Hill on 10 Sept.”
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/278636
There’s lots more nonsense like this around Sander Hicks that Greens will not be aware of. He has no qualms about hosting people who are thinly veiled racists, like Kevin Barrett, who describes the holocaust as “toasting” 6 million Jews.
Sander Hicks . . . he’s been promoting the claims that the planes that hit on 9/11 were not real — at the Pentagon or Pennsylvania — that they were swapped or were missiles or something. At least, he’s been organizing events to promote those claims, like on the last 9/11 anniversary.
I also saw a recent email thread where apparently at an anti-war gathering in the Northeast recently he told some peace activists and ISO people “Fuck the left.” Meanwhile, he defends LaRouchite Webster Tarpley. He also was described as “agent baiting” leadership in the anti-war movement, saying, along with Barry Zwicker, that the only reason the peace movement is not embracing 9/11 truth is because it is infiltrated with agents.
Greens should steer clear . . .
Just about anybody who qualifies could win with PLAS.
But hey, why not visit Dracula’s coffin & see if he’s interested?
As I posted on Ian’s blog, before his answer:
Who, if anybody, has announced their interest in the GPNYS line for Gov? Who is being sought out for consideration? Anyone we already know, or who has run before?
Damn, but if McCourt couldnāt pull it off, what chance is there for someone even less known (does anyone in NY not then a Green even remember Stanley Aronowitz and his 2002 run?)?
I suspect a 2010 race similar to Spitzerās, with Andy Cuomo on the Dem line winning by a landslide, and with the WFP getting more than enough votes by endorsing him (big surprise!) to retain their undeserved ballot line, while the Greens do even worse than before, perhaps poorly enough to jeopardize even the right to retain voter rolls, much less a ballot line.
I would still likely vote for the Green candidate for gov, as well as any other state office that has a GP candidate, on principle and as a protest vote, but Iām not particularly enthused or likely willing to work on their campaigns, as I had through the 2006 race (which included managing the partyās website, which task I gave up immediately after the end of the campaign), at which point I figured, āIf at first you donāt succeed, try, try againā¦ then move on, as thereās no point in being a damn fool about it.ā
Post 2, after Ian’s answer:
Aronowitz, who was not completely unknown, having been a well-respected labor scholar and writer, though that is a not a general-enough recognition factor, proved that the GPNYS was not ready for runs on personal merit alone, or even platforms. Grandpa Al Lewis made it on sheer celebrity power, and McCourt almost did the same, but none of the named persons you list will get even passing notice in the media, and some, like Peress would do even WORSE with any attention!
I see no evidence that the GPNYS is growing in numbers, stature, integrity, influence, credibility, or potential; they’ve essentially blown the opportunity they had based on Lewis’s run and Nader’s boost, and have lost the PR battle for hearts and minds.
admire Eric Jones:
Eric Jones // Mar 21, 2010:
“…….. itās about 50,000 votes for the Gubernatorial candidate which will establish a Green Party ballot line ……….”
Yes, yes, yes, baby steps! —— Don Lake
It’s not about winning in New York this year, it’s about 50,000 votes for the Gubernatorial candidate which will establish a Green Party ballot line for the first time in nearly a decade. That is the goal of all the candidates running.
Now let’s speculate how many will LOSE!
ALL will LOSE!