It had been previously reported here that Gary Johnson would not be appearing at the debate sponsored by the Liberty Party of Oregon (PAC). This information at the time was given to this IPR editor as having been confirmed by the highest levels within the Johnson Campaign. What may have changed (if anything) is unknown, but as of this date, the Oregon affiliate, The Libertarian Party of Oregon Chair Lars Hebdor has confirmed that he spoke with Ron Nielson of the Johnson campaign who confirmed Johnson’s attendance. Hebdor has also stated:
– They don’t want to disappoint the folks who had planned to attend the “Libertarian” PAC’s meeting to see their candidate, so Johnson will be at their event.
– Johnson is planning to participate fully in the Libertarian Party of Oregon’s normal primary process, including an additional press/event tour, details to be announced later.
– Johnson will be staying over to join some of the leadership of the Libertarian Party of Oregon and friends for a brunch at 11:00 Saturday morning at the Village Inn Bridgeport in Tualatin.
Jeremy – I can tell by your post that you do not have a complete picture of the situation in Oregon. You’ve also made some statements about the “Burke side” which are counter-factual, I’m sure because of a lack of information. Feel free to contact me at [email protected] if you would like to get more than one side of this issue. Thank you.
Richard P. Burke, Secretary
Libertarian Party of Oregon
I support the Wagner side and I’m not even a libertarian. It has nothing to do with ideology. The Wagner side has the ballot status and the name, the Burke side doesn’t. The Wagner side runs candidates, the Burke side doesn’t. The Burke side has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars scheming against the Wagner side, both in court and at the LNC, without any positive benefit for the Libertarian Party. I am a friend to third parties and I want to see the Libertarian Party succeed. If the Burke side wanted to see the Libertarian Party succeed, they would drop their fruitless lawsuits and machinations, participate in the political process being run by the Wagner side, and try to gain control that way. To try to wrest control of a state party by harming both the state and national parties is evident malpractice and should not be tolerated by either state or national Libertarians.
So what you are stating is that you were able to benefit financially from the intentional misuse of a political party name?
Some things never change 😉
Great debate. Room was full. People standing in the back. The whole weekend was in the black financially resulting from the debate.
Richard P. Burke
A link to a video of the entire debate can be found in this article:
http://amthirdpartyreport.com/2016/03/25/austin-petersen-and-gary-johnson-face-off-in-oregon-debate/
So, did anyone watching the debate get a glimpse of how many people were in the audience?
try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrMVBR-HgOw
Something is wrong. It keep hopping to other youtube videos.
Ayup. 10PM Eastern.
Is this the correct livestream?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxo4Up_oZ5Y
I contacted Ian Epstein about the important question, and he gave me the important answer: This debate will be livestreamed.
Yes, indeed, once again the Republican daughter murderers (like baby killers, only pointing the other way) are trying to poison our platform. “You own your body” except if you are a woman, in which case the government asserts ownership of certain feminine components, for example the parts that after maturation and delivery turn into a human baby.
Caryn last I heard, which was fairly recently, there will be an effort to make some changes to the platform. First up is the abortion plank, then an environmental plank and finally the omission plank. That was from Carling who spoke at a local meeting. Enjoy.
Oh, on steroids.
Of course, we don’t always agree on what constitutes correct process. But it looks like we are USUALLY on the same page.
Tom,
==Well, nobody likes to be loathed. But I’ll also do my best to head off the loathing in advance by making sure as many delegates as possible know to vote NO on any credentials committee report seating a fake Oregon delegation.==
I will help you.
==I am a process kind of guy.==
I think I have more than proven I am a process kind of gal.
What are the efforts to educate the delegates about the history of abuse by the delegates of the Oregon delegations? My hope is that the decisions of the delegates in 2012 and 2014 were a result of 1) ignorance about the ethics involved and 2) a corrupt convention chair soliciting votes from the rouge Oregon elements and those who support them (especially Neale in 2014).
As a delegate in Orlando, I would 100 percent support the process outlined above that would be required for the necessary record keeping regarding the votes of each delegation at the Convention should anyone from Oregon not authorized by the LPO to be seated.
I’m also hopeful that enough delegates will remain until the end of the process to appoint a judicial committee with ZERO MEMBERS INVOLVED IN THE LAWSUIT in Oregon. That is insanity.
Respecting the boycott can have a material impact in terms of outcome. The following two items (with the backstory) are being sent to your voters for their resolution since they are the ultimate owners of ballot access here in Oregon:
Board Referral #5
Who should be our nominees for President and Vice President of the United States if the Libertarian National Convention honors our boycott by not seating an Oregon delegation?
The winners of our primary election
The nominees of the national convention
No one
Board Referral #6
Who should be our nominees for President and Vice President of the United States if the Libertarian National Convention does not honor our boycott by seating an Oregon delegation?
The winners of our primary election
The nominees of the national convention
No one
Well, nobody likes to be loathed. But I’ll also do my best to head off the loathing in advance by making sure as many delegates as possible know to vote NO on any credentials committee report seating a fake Oregon delegation.
And I don’t want platform committee to get anything done – no good comes out of those schemings for the most part (though this committee has some great members – outnumbered)
And I’ve heard enough about bylaws to have grave concerns.
You most likely can count me in.
Tom, sounds like fun.
I don’t disagree with you. Just be prepared to be loathed by the delegates that don’t care and getting ready for the Motion to Suspend the NAP
Caryn,
It doesn’t sound very firebrandish to me. In fact, it sounds like a way to make the convention even more boring and tedious than it has a tendency to get during the procedural parts.
I am a process kind of guy.
Like Walter said, “this isn’t ‘Nam — there are rules.”
The SMC cabal has, over the years, shown a willingness to break and/or discard the rules any time doing so will get them what they want.
I intend to get what I want by FOLLOWING the rules.
The state affiliate parties are empowered, under the bylaws, to select their delegates.
The state affiliate party in Oregon has publicly stated it will send no delegates and that no one claiming to BE a delegate from Oregon is legitimately empowered to act as one.
That should be the end of the matter.
If it’s not the end of the matter, then I intend to FOLLOW the bylaws by objecting to and contesting, both in the situation and after it, the counting of illegitimate votes for party business.
If that means the bylaws and platform sections of the convention take four times as long as they’re supposed to, or get nothing done, well, that’s not my problem. It can be avoided by the credentials committee not fraudulently reporting, and the convention not unthinkingly seating, an impostor delegation.
Now Tom, you sound like firebrand me who examined how to disqualify an SoP-repudiating candidate. You *can* do that (as you admitted I *could* get my plan – not the first to think of it – to the JC) – but do you think it is wise? The rest of the delegates would end up loathing whoever did it. That doesn’t make it not worth doing- I am intrigued and perhaps would join you – but know precisely what might happen.
Being an authoritarian party boss (LOL!) myself, I can take it…… Okay I couldn’t type that with a straight face. Reading one’s own press is entertaining
“Will the delegates in Orlando agree to seat this [fraudulent impostor party’s delegation]?”
Hopefully not. Given a general trend of delegate somnolence on procedural matters, that MAY depend on the degree to which this cycle’s credentials committee has been infiltrated/subverted by the SMC wreckers.
If a fake Oregon delegation IS seated, there will be consequences. One of those consequences is that the convention will likely carry on for a week or so, or be adjourned sine die for lack of quorum, as the final two sentences of Convention Rule 2, Clause 1 (“If any delegate objects to the Chair’s
ruling on the outcome of a voice vote, a rising vote shall be conducted. If 20 or more delegates
object to the Chair’s ruling on the outcome of a rising vote, a counted vote will be held”) will be invoked on EVERY vote on EVERY motion and EVERY amendment, so that monitors can record the fake delegation’s impact on outcomes for future action (e.g. appealing any LNC action based on an outcome affected by the fake delegation to the Judicial Committee).
The previous paragraph is not just speculation.
Will the delegates in Orlando agree to seat this Oregon PAC?
Darryl
Our rules do not permit any such ban. The only major candidates I know of who are still in the race who have not requested to be on our ballot are Peterson (whose campaign was hostile and not wanting to hear anything and claimed superior knowledge of the Oregon situation when our chair called today) and Feldman.
If I have missed anyone I am sorry. I have tried to send emails to all candidates.
All,
Regarding my radical-ness .. I am an ideological anarchist. As far as this being Oregon’s issue.. it is .. it was and was settled with finality when all the factions except the GOP faction led by Burke allied against him because he pushed things too far.
Stepping in the middle of a populist revolution and taking an alliance against all the libertarian factions of the party in support of their common enemy is not something that most would consider politically wise. The LNC stepped in it big time in 2010 and 2011 .. the convention bodies stepped in it big time in 2012 and 2014.
Oregon is fine. We are growing. We are running more candidates. We are not riddled with corruption. There is also not a thing you can do to harm us except destroy yourselves in the attempt.
It is the rest of you who have the problem and lack the wisdom and perception to see it.
No one that I know of supports the Wagner group “because they are radical.” In fact if anyone read my comments on the history, I don’t agree with what either group did. But the FACT is that Oregon Libertarians have the standing to complain, and they have not. And the FACT is that the LNC had zero Bylaws warrant to get involved. No one has clean hands, but this is Oregon’s business, not the LNC. On ideological grounds, the Burke group kept the Pledge, which is a huge issue to me. But this is an Oregon matter. It is absolutely inaccurate to say anyone supports the Wagner group in this because they are radicals. Wagner is.. I do not even know the ideological standing of anyone else involved on that side. And I am very friendly with Mr. Burke. And I don’t care about the ideological standing (others may– not my circus, not my monkeys). I care that the LNC has absolutely no business telling an affiliate who its Board is.
In the article itself, from the LPO Chair –
” Johnson is planning to participate fully in the Libertarian Party of Oregon’s normal primary process, including an additional press/event tour, details to be announced later.”
Doesn’t sound like they are banning anyone . . .
My understanding is that any candidate attending the LPO (PAC) event will not be on the LPO (with ballot access) all-mail primary ballot. Can someone confirm or deny?
Apparently not insane to the courts of Oregon or to the first Judicial Committee review of the matter (the one before it was populated by folks directly involved in the lawsuit and their supporters).
Insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results. These issues in Oregon predate Wes, and likely if not for Wes doing what Wes does, would still be going on — an apparent intentional destruction of state LP party by state LP party by those who desire that. Oregon drained about $200,000 of the resources they had to spend on that agenda. One that would have seen Wayne Allyn Root, or his intellectual heirs/sympathizers, as the national LP Party leadership/braintrust.
Wes and his gang served to stop that insanity and are vilified for it.
And that is the insanity that stands out most clearly here, IMO.
I just can’t believe that people support the Wagner group. They don’t hold conventions on even numbered years and walked out of them when it was clear that the Wagner group was going to lose control of the affiliate through the legal and ethical channels. And to see people supporting the Wagner group just because he is a radical is insane to me.
Thanks Thomas for the laugh.
This explanation that they “don’t want to disappoint the libertarians who are coming to see the Governor” is utter bilk, IMO. They did not want to disappoint the people behind and around M. Carling, Aaron Starr, Mark Rutherford, Alicia Mattson and other outside forces that have involved themselves in Oregon. THAT is who they are concerned about “disappointing.”
They have know full well about the issues in Oregon before they accepted this invitation. Interestingly they have done nothing (apparently) to promote the event. Nothing on the campaign website – not even as of the time of this post! https://garyjohnson2016.com/events/ has nothing about this event in Oregon. No press release. Nada. Zip.
How does this jibe with not wanting to “disappoint libertarians?”
The lack of a transparent campaign, the apparent $300,000 bonus paid to the senior adviser upon gaining the LP nomination, the $1.5 million in debt from last time, the lingering connections to Republican candidates . . . none of these things “disappoint libertarians?!?!”
Really? THAT is their “concern?!?” – Give me a break.
Joe
Typo in the headline. “Fraudulent Impostor Fake LP” is not spelled “Oregon PAC.”