Augustus Invictus: Statement Regarding the Antifa Boycott of the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival

116 thoughts on “Augustus Invictus: Statement Regarding the Antifa Boycott of the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival

  1. Andy

    Does anyone know if it is true that Antifa members have been harassing the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival/Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania State Convention organizers over the appearance of Augusts Invictus at this event?

  2. Andy

    I am considering attending this event, but I don’t know for sure yet whether I am going to make it or not.

  3. Anthony Dlugos

    “Does anyone know if it is true that Antifa members have been harassing the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival/Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania State Convention organizers over the appearance of Augusts Invictus at this event?”

    U mad?

  4. Andy

    Anthony Dlugos
    March 24, 2017 at 12:10
    ‘Does anyone know if it is true that Antifa members have been harassing the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival/Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania State Convention organizers over the appearance of Augusts Invictus at this event?’

    U mad?”

    I’m just asking the question. Invictus was in fact met with Antifa protesters when he was in Oregon, and he was blocked from entering Canada due to concerns about protests, so this is not outside the realm of possibility. It is also possible that Invictus is exaggerating or making things up, so this is why I asked the question.

  5. Andy

    Another possibility is that there are people trying to block Augustus from participating in a debate at the event, but that they are not actually associated with Antifa, and that Augustus is falsely claiming or assuming that they are.

  6. natural born citizen

    Wow, a Communist group is “boycotting” a libertarian seminar event?!

    I guess they were all planning on paying full ticket price before?

    Gimme a break.

  7. Anthony Dlugos

    “I’m just asking the question.”

    Sure you are.

    Should I pretend not to notice the similarities between your Xenophobic, anti-immigrant diatribes and Goat Blood Boy’s “Letter to the People of Europe?”

  8. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    March 24, 2017 at 16:26
    ‘I’m just asking the question.’

    Sure you are.

    Should I pretend not to notice the similarities between your Xenophobic, anti-immigrant diatribes and Goat Blood Boy’s ‘Letter to the People of Europe?'”

    Once again, I am NOT anti-immigrant, I am anti-invader, as in I am NOT in favor of people with hostile, anti-liberty ideologies, be they socialists, communists, theocrats, or whatever, crossing into land territories, particularly one where I am located, which is the present day USA, where they can get on welfare, and impact the political process, as in they can end up voting against me. This does NOT mean that I am against all people moving to different places, including foreign national crossing into the same political boundaries where I am located, provided that the foreign nationals do not hold hostile political ideologies, and that they are not welfare leeches or criminals, and I’d also prefer that they not carry communicable diseases which would pose a health risk to the people who are already in this land territory.

    Second of all, just because Augustus Invictus happens to hold a similar point of view on this particular issue, does not mean that I am somehow aligned with Augustus Invictus, or that I am a supporter of Augustus Invictus. There are lots of people who hold lots of different views of which lots of people can find common ground with one another, but it does not mean that they agree on other issues. Anyone who has been involved in politics for a long time should know that often times, if you want to get something accomplished, you have to coalition with people whom you may not agree with on everything, and that you may not even like, but you happen to be on the same side, or at least have a similar view, on a particular issue. There is an old saying that goes, “Politics makes strange bedfellows.”

    I am really not sure what to think of Augustus sol Invictus. My initial reaction to him when he appeared on the scene was that he was a nut, or some kind of eccentric, possibly under the influence of drugs of some type, who was out to seek attention, and that he may be some kind of Nazi or fascist, being that it appeared that he supported forced eugenics and that he was using fascist symbols. I also suspected him of being a possible government plant. If you watch the video above, Augustus claims that he does not support government forced eugenics, and that he is not a fascist. Is he telling the truth? If you listen to what he says, there are times where he sounds good from a libertarian perspective, and there are of course other times where he comes off as an oddball (like his past comment saying that people should go out in the woods and dance naked in the moonlight), or his talk about sacrificing a goat and drinking its blood. Augustus has said that the sacrificing the goat and drinking its blood is a part of some Pagan religion of which he takes part. I’ve long thought that it is best if people keep their religious views, and talk of religion, out of politics, at least as much as possible, and this is especially so if one belongs to some religion which is far outside of the mainstream (talking about far outside the mainstream religious views just makes a candidate look like a weirdo to a lot of people, like years ago in California the LP had a candidate for Governor that was a Druid, and he talked about it during his campaign, and he put of picture of himself on his campaign website in his Druid robe while standing out in the woods, and I thought that this added nothing to positive to his campaign, and it just made him look like a weirdo). The name Augustus sol Invictus makes him sound like an oddball. His real name, or the name given to him at birth, is Austin Gallespie, although he apparently had his name legally changed to Augustus Invictus.

    I’d say that he’s good as an orator (as in his public speaking is good). although he also comes off as eccentric. I’ve heard some say that his accent is fake, but I’m not sure if this charge is true or not.

    So what is the truth about Augustus sol Invcitus? Is he an evil Nazi devil worshiping fascist? Is he crazy? Is he an eccentric and dramatic attention seeker? Is he a performance artist? Is he a guy who is well meaning and sincere, and who really believes what he says he believes and is just a bit on the unusual side? Is he simply misunderstood?

    I don’t really know for sure, but I will say that he is entertaining.

  9. Anthony Dlugos

    “I am really not sure what to think of Augustus sol Invictus. ”

    Andy doesn’t know what to think of Goat Blood Boy and goes into a TL;DR parsing of an admitted fascist’s policy positions.

    Andy sure as hell knows what he thinks of Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, and doesn’t need a 500 word essay to explain it.

    That’s Andy in a nutshell.

    And if you don’t think his affection for Goat Blood Boy’s policy positions is stronger than he is letting on, then I have a wall across the Southern border to sell you.

  10. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    March 24, 2017 at 17:25
    ‘I am really not sure what to think of Augustus sol Invictus. ‘

    Andy doesn’t know what to think of Goat Blood Boy and goes into a TL;DR parsing of an admitted fascist’s policy positions.”

    If you watch the video, Augustus said that he is not a fascist. Is he a liar? Maybe he is, or maybe he is not. I’m just reporting what he said, and unlike you, I actually report the facts, rather than jumping to biased conclusions.

    Also, I was VERY clear on my position on Augustus. I am NOT a supporter of Augustus. I don’t know if the guy a nut, a performance artist, an attention seeker, a devil worshiping Nazi, a well meaning but misunderstood libertarian, or just an oddball, or perhaps all of the above, or some combination thereof. I think that it is also possible that he’s a government plant who has been sent in to create drama, and to make the party and movement look crazy.

    If he is a plant, he is obviously serving a different role than Anthony Dlugos, who is here to sabotage the Libertarian Party and movement by acting as a waterboy/cheerleader for establishment shills like Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, and to attack real libertarians on message forums online.

  11. Andy

    Augustus is supposed to debate Will Coley at this upcoming event in Pennsylvania. I originally wrote Will Coley off as being some kind of weirdo as well, with the whole Muslims for Liberty thing, and with him being a white American from Tennessee who decided to become a Muslim (that is certainly not a conventional thing to do), but after seeing Will Coley in the debates at the National Convention in Orlando, and getting to talk to him at that convention, he ended up surprising and impressing me so much that I ended up voting for him to be the Libertarian Party candidate for President on the first ballot for the Vice Presidential nomination. I voted for Larry Sharpe on the second ballot after Coley dropped out. I was also really impressed with Larry Sharpe, so I had a difficult time deciding who to vote for on the first ballot. I ended up going with Coley due to the way that he aggressively attacked Bill Weld and due to his vehement defense of the right to keep and bear arms, including assault rifles.

    My point here is to keep an open mind, because sometimes people can end up surprising you.

  12. Andy

    Anthony Dlugos said: “And if you don’t think his affection for Goat Blood Boy’s policy positions is stronger than he is letting on, then I have a wall across the Southern border to sell you.”

    Give a list of policy positions. He said he supports the right to keep and bear arms. I support that. He said that he is for ending the War on Drugs. I support that. He said that there is moral justification for an armed revolt against the government. I agree with that. I will tell you something that I disagree with him on and that is that he is not an anarcho-capitalist, as in he thinks that the state is necessary. I do not believe that the state is necessary. Augustus says that he’s a small government constitutionalist. I am sympathetic with anyone who wants to limit government by a constitution which reigns in government power, but I ultimately reject the premise of a coercive state and I do not really believe in a ruling class (which government sets up, even a government which is limited by a constitution), and I advocate of system of voluntaryism as an ideal system. I understand that we are far from having a government that follows its own Constitution, and that we are even further from an Ancapistan Libertopia society, but I have a philosophical disagreement with anyone who thinks that a coercive government with a ruling class is absolutely necessary.

  13. Andy

    Regardless of the merits or demerits of any political policy positions held by Augustus Invictus, I would be leery of him as a candidate, just because he is so eccentric, and I’d fear that the whole goat blood drinking Pagan sacrifice thing would bring in too much negative publicity.

  14. Andy

    I just spotted an error I made above. I accidentally said that I voted for Will Coley to be the Libertarian Party’s candidate for President on the first ballot, but I meant to say Vice President.

  15. Carol Moore

    FYI, the LP of Maryland went through the same thing with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_White_(neo-Nazi) Bill White in the 1990s when he wasn’t an out and out Nazi yet. He’s inprison now for threats and other nonsense.

    Just like Nathan Larsen who the LP VA rejected as being a candidate because of former threats vs Prez who also did jail time. Now has a bunch of NON-libertarian wack job theories he’s promoting for attention.

    These people are attention seeking nuts whose become more destructive to keep getting that attention fix.

  16. paulie

    So what is the truth about Augustus sol Invcitus? Is he an evil Nazi devil worshiping fascist? Is he crazy? Is he an eccentric and dramatic attention seeker? Is he a performance artist?

    Yes.

    Is he a guy who is well meaning and sincere, and who really believes what he says he believes and is just a bit on the unusual side? Is he simply misunderstood?

    No.

  17. paulie

    Libertarian Anti-Fascist Committee
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    The roots of modern antifa can be traced back through every society that has faced the rise of fascism in the past. As we know, many of those early resistance movements were unsuccessful, in many ways due to inherent qualities of the fascist narrative that make it uniquely unlike other ideologies and thus unresponsive to standard opposition tactics like rational debate.

    Fascism relies on blame shifting the perception of a threat to a nationalist identity onto an ethnic or cultural group that is not actually the source of the crisis, typically economic, it is actually facing. It then rallies against that common enemy using a language of authoritarianism that is atypical of garden variety authoritarianism. It openly promises to use the systemic power of state, not simply to reform the regulatory landscape but specifically to cleanse the actual human beings being scapegoated.

    As each resistance movement studied the one before it, they learned through trial and error a unique set of tactics much better suited to this particular narrative and the psychology of its followers. No-platformism is one of the most effective early-stage tactics because it denies the visibility that people vulnerable to fascist narratives require in order to coalesce around the belief that the charismatic leader speaking this set of ideas can set them free by cleansing the target population.

    A person who has no platform cannot plausibly promise the systemic power it would take to achieve the goal of cleansing they seek. In this way, the rise of fascism may be suppressed.

    In the latter half of the 20th century, resistance movements became successful at thwarting fascist entryism, most notably in the punk scene of the 80’s. By applying the lessons of no-platformism and confrontational disassociation, xenophobic personalities and those attracted by them were deprived of the illusion that their ideology was compatible with the kind of defiance punk culture represented, or that they could ever gain popularity by expressing them.

    Modern Libertarians find ourselves in a unique position, with an openly stated commitment to non-aggression. This limits our tactics in ways that historical antifa is not limited. This is why you perceive a mismatch; but here is the important thing: They are not acting randomly as violent people … THEY ARE APPLYING A CENTURY OF EXPERIENCE to the situation we find ourselves in. That is something to consider carefully before one passes judgment.

    Libertarians must lead by example in how our principles can actually accomplish a peaceful, diversely empowering society. Giving fascists a platform has failed, and it has failed miserably and gotten millions of people killed. We have the power of disassociation and it is possible to apply no-platformism peacefully. But we must understand its priority in order to apply it. If we cannot do peacefully what antifa believes must be done by violence, they are going to step forward and do it themselves.

    Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it. The Libertarian Anti-Fascist Committee invites you to join us in applying those lessons through a blanket policy of no-platformism for voices like Augustus Invictus who advance the fascist narrative, and educating libertarians about the characteristics of early stage fascism so we may recognize it among us and deny it a platform. It’s our job to take out our trash, and we plan on taking personal responsibility for that. Will you?

    #NoPlatformForFascism

  18. paulie

    Mike Gogulski replies: the characterization of antifa believing their work *must* be carried out via violence is off. a great deal of antifa work doesn’t involve threats or physical confrontation at all. otherwise, this is great.

  19. Andy

    I have run into these Antifa type of people before> I actually saw a few of them recently. One of them was waving a Russian communist flag (as in the old Hammer and Sickle from the former Soviet Union). Most of these people are lefty socialist/communist types.

    I strongly disagree with some of the things they have done recently, like causing so much mayhem that they got that Milio speech shut down. That was disgraceful.

    Smashing store windows and trashing people’s cars because you are mad that Donald Trump got elected was idiotic as well.

    I have zero respect for that behavior.

  20. paulie

    There are different kinds of antifa people. Some of us are libertarians. The vast majority of protesters at Milo’s speeches and others including Invictus are peaceful. Only a small handful resort to violence and property damage. It’s true that a lot of, but not all, antifa hold communist views. Many are anarchists, but again not all.

  21. Steve Scheetz

    I have not been able to post photos, but I posted a photo of the text in question all over facebook, so it is not difficult to find.

    Antifa made a statement that was taken by the Harrisburg Mayor’s Office and the Harrisburg Police Department to mean that they would use violence if the event was not shut down. They arrived at this conclusion based upon actions done in the past. This was laid out to the hotel who expressed their concerns to me about having a full house that day, and it was decided that the event had to be removed from the hotel because the risk was too great.

    The LPPA did not contribute a dime to this event, and anyone who is saying it did, is referring to an old post that was written immediately after a board meeting in December when money was promised… However, without getting into too many details, we did not receive the check in time before we had to make the first deposit, so we wound up separating the events completely.

    My interest in having ASI attend and speak, was so that his views could be challenged openly. Many of you know who I am, MANY know the history of the LPPA around the time when I became chairman. We made people who were diametrically opposed to our point of view feel so uncomfortable that they choose to leave the LPPA and the sate of PA…. We did not use ad hominem attacks, we used principle to combat non-principle.

    Libertarians in PA who have joined the party all take the pledge to not initiate or advocate the use of force or fraud to achieve our goals. Some who have taken this membership oath are suggesting that it was well and good that the event was shut down due to the threat of violence. I wrote on Facebook that I am thankful to ANTIFA for this, because it served to re-invigorate my belief that support cannot be taken for granted and I have a long road to travel in order to achieve my goal. (Unity With Principle)

    I hope this answers Andy’s question.

    The even WILL STILL HAPPEN on the first. We are working with several venues right now, and will have a contract signed with one of them, hopefully by close of business tomorrow. The Debate WILL be going on as well, ANTIFA has ensured this… Libertarians suggesting that ANTIFA is right ensured this….. I will NOT back down. I WILL see critical questions asked, and I will listen to the answers. If you have not purchased tickets yet, contact me on facebook and we can figure out how to get tickets in your hand.

    I know why it is that I do what I do, ESPECIALLY when it is unpopular.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  22. Anthony Dlugos

    “The LPPA did not contribute a dime to this event…”

    You’re connected to the event. That in and of itself is a problem, and demonstrates a serious lack of judgement.

  23. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    March 26, 2017 at 10:24
    ‘The LPPA did not contribute a dime to this event…’

    You’re connected to the event. That in and of itself is a problem, and demonstrates a serious lack of judgement.”

    Steve, keep in mind that Anthony is a guy who was a supporter of CFR gun grabber and Patriot Act supporter Bill Weld, and who said that he’d vote for Mitt Romney to be the Libertarian Party’s candidate for President in 2020, if Mitt were to show up at the Libertarian National Convention and declare that he wants our party’s nomination for President. So in other words, Anthony has a serious lack of credibility as a self professed Libertarian, so take what he says with a grain of salt.

  24. Andy

    “paulie
    March 26, 2017 at 09:11
    There are different kinds of antifa people. Some of us are libertarians. The vast majority of protesters at Milo’s speeches and others including Invictus are peaceful. Only a small handful resort to violence and property damage. It’s true that a lot of, but not all, antifa hold communist views. Many are anarchists, but again not all.”

    The best of the Antifa crowd are confused leftists. Many of them are outright communists.

    The ones you call anarchists are not anarchists as a libertarian would define the term (unless they are really confused and lacking in information), as in an anarcho-capitalist / voluntaryist. They are Marxists posing as anarchists.

    I was upset that Gary Johnson and Bill Weld got nominated at the Libertarian National Convention in Orlando, but you did not see me smashing store windows and vandalizing cars or doing anything similar because of it.

  25. Steve Scheetz

    Andy, I have worked with Anthony when I went out to the RNC convention to do outreach for the Libertarian Party and the Johnson campaign. He and I have disagreements here and there, but I also believe that we can work together. I won’t say anything bad about him now or ever…

    I have taken on a great deal these past few months, and if anyone watches my speech in CT during their convention, I knew nobody when I got in my car to drive up there. I left with a couple dozen friends. I want a free market solution to an issue that I can get R’s D’s L’s G’s etc all on the same page about.

    We did it when we protested the drone base in Horsham, PA… (You KNOW something is bad when THAT group comes together for a common cause….)

    I am still working on said issue, but it will be out soon, and we will learn the language required to GET everyone on the same page. This is what I am after. there are those who are content to keep things as they are. YET, I have met some wonderful people who believe as I do that we have to work together on something to change the way things are done in the United States.

    Regardless of what we work on, I am looking for a single policy win. A free market solution that government did not initiate, government cannot control, and government cannot stop.

    Work with me.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  26. paulie

    The best of the Antifa crowd are confused leftists.

    No, some of us are libertarians. Not very many, proportionately, but then libertarians are not a majority in any movement (other than the libertarian movement itself).

    The ones you call anarchists are not anarchists as a libertarian would define the term

    There are a variety of different kinds of antifa anarchists. I happen to be one, of the more libertarian variety.

  27. Tony From Long Island

    Andrew The Delusional: ” . . . . Smashing store windows and trashing people’s cars because you are mad that Donald Trump got elected was idiotic as well.

    I have zero respect for that behavior. . . . . .

    A Classic example of labeling an entire group for the stupidity of a few.

  28. Marc Montoni

    AI would not have been on any list of speakers that I would invite to an event I was organizing.

    However, the fact is that it was a **debate**. That doesn’t imply an endorsement of his views and anyone who suggests otherwise is a fucking horse’s ass.

    I have long been of the opinion that bad political speech is only addressed by more (and better) political speech. I suspect Mr Coley would have successfully further marginalized AI, which is what is supposed to happen in a political contest between a good and bad idea.

    I am somewhat surprised at just how far along the Left’s “suppress all speech” curve some libertarians have traveled.

  29. Anthony Dlugos

    “That doesn’t imply an endorsement of his views and anyone who suggests otherwise is a fucking horse’s ass.”

    At a meeting organized by members of the LPPA? Of course it does.

    Aesop’s Fables

    Aesop’s Moral:
    A man is known by the company he keeps.

    Aesop’s Fable:

    The Ass and His Purchaser

    A man wished to purchase an Ass (a Donkey), and decided to give the animal a test before buying him. He took the Ass home and put him in the field with his other Asses.

    The new Ass strayed from the others to join the one that was the laziest and the biggest eater of them all.

    Seeing this, the man led him back to his owner. When the owner asked how he could have tested the Ass in such a short time, the man answered, “I didn’t even need to see how he worked. I knew he would be just like the one he chose to be his friend.”

  30. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    March 27, 2017 at 13:58
    ‘That doesn’t imply an endorsement of his views and anyone who suggests otherwise is a fucking horse’s ass.’

    At a meeting organized by members of the LPPA? Of course it does.”

    So going by this “logic” (or lack thereof), having Bill Weld at a Libertarian Party meeting or convention, means that everyone in the Libertarian Party endorses his views?

  31. Anthony Dlugos

    “So going by this “logic” (or lack thereof), having Bill Weld at a Libertarian Party meeting or convention, means that everyone in the Libertarian Party endorses his views?”

    No, it means that you’re an ignoramus for equating a violent fascist to a CFR member.

  32. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    March 27, 2017 at 11:09
    Andrew The Delusional: ‘ . . . . Smashing store windows and trashing people’s cars because you are mad that Donald Trump got elected was idiotic as well.

    I have zero respect for that behavior. . . . . .’

    A Classic example of labeling an entire group for the stupidity of a few.”

    I did not say that everyone involved in the Antifa movement was engaging in these acts, but enough of them are that there is a disturbing trend taking place.

    I wonder if Tony would be so forgiving if the KKK was being discussed, and somebody said, “Well not all KKK members are lynching and beating up black people. Just a few of them are doing it.”

  33. Andy

    Paul said: “There are a variety of different kinds of antifa anarchists. I happen to be one, of the more libertarian variety.”

    Then you are in a very small minority in this group. The overwhelming majority of these people are socialist or communist types.

  34. paulie

    Yes, as I said already earlier, libertarians are a minority in any movement other than the libertarian movement itself.

  35. paulie

    I did not say that everyone involved in the Antifa movement was engaging in these acts, but enough of them are that there is a disturbing trend taking place.

    I wonder if Tony would be so forgiving if the KKK was being discussed, and somebody said, “Well not all KKK members are lynching and beating up black people. Just a few of them are doing it.”

    That’s not a valid comparison. The KKK exists to terrorize people. Antifa means resistance to fascism through any variety of means. Those of us who believe in non-initiation of force limit ourselves to means which are compatible with that, whereas a minority of antifa adherents do initiative force and some others justify it, due to their belief that it’s the only way to prevent fascists from achieving power and employing greater initiation of force on a larger scale.

  36. dL

    A Classic example of labeling an entire group for the stupidity of a few.”

    Boy, if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black…

  37. dL

    Yes, as I said already earlier, libertarians are a minority in any movement other than the libertarian movement itself.

    Sometimes I even wonder about that…

  38. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    March 27, 2017 at 14:05
    ‘So going by this “logic’ (or lack thereof), having Bill Weld at a Libertarian Party meeting or convention, means that everyone in the Libertarian Party endorses his views?’

    No, it means that you’re an ignoramus for equating a violent fascist to a CFR member.”

    Congratulations Anthony, you just posted the dumbest comment I have read here in quite awhile.

    Let’s examine some of Bill Weld’s political views and record:

    Passed gun control laws as Governor of Massachusetts.

    Endorsed George W. Bush for President in 2000, and again in 2004. He even served as a fundraiser for George W. Bush, and he qualified for the Pioneer’s Club, which meant that he raised at least $100,000 for George W. Bush for President.

    He supported the War in Iraq.

    He supported The Patriot Act, and he signed a letter written by neo-conservative Frank Gaffney, urging Congress to reauthorize some sections of The Patriot Act that were set to expire.

    He came to the Libertarian Party of New York’s State Convention in 2006, claiming to be a libertarian, and sought their nomination for Governor. He was asked that if they voted to give it to them, would he remain in the race as a Libertarian Party candidate, as he was also running for the Republican Party’s nomination for Governor, as New York is one of the few states that allows candidate fusion, which means that you can run for office under more than one party banner at the same time. Bill Weld said yes, but shortly after this, he lost the Republican nomination, and then quickly dropped out of the race. So he LIED to the Libertarian Party of New York, and he broke his word to them.

    He endorsed Barack Obama for President in 2008.

    He supported eminent domain of the Atlantic Yards in New York to benefit corporate interests.

    He endorsed Mitt Romney for President in 2012.

    He endorsed Jeb Bush for President in September of 2015.

    He endorsed John Kasich, the man primarily responsible for the Libertarian Party of Ohio losing ballot access in 2014, for President in February of 2016.

    He said that he supports the Obamacare mandate in 2016.

    After coming into the Libertarian Party, and claiming once again to be a libertarian, he was asked about his past support for gun control laws. He claimed that he supports gun rights, but then AFTER conning his way into being the Libertarian Party’s candidate for Vice President, due in large part to a convention floor that had already been stacked by the Johnson campaign, and some gullible delegates, he reverted back to his pro-gun control views post nomination, as he came out in favor of banning assault rifles, and creating secret government watch lists that could arbitrarily deny gun purchases to anyone put on such a list, and he said that handguns are a problem.

    He said that he favors keeping the IRS and the income tax as it is now, but would just promise people that their taxes will not go up (Yeah, I’m sure that we can trust him. LOL!).

    He said that he supports the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a phony “free trade” agreement that is really a government managed trade agreement, which is filled with all kinds of toxic stuff, and had in fact been condemned by the Libertarian Party Chairman in an official LNC press release.

    He said that he supports the United Nations.

    He said that he supports taxpayer funding of abortion (Regardless of where one stands on abortion, Libertarians have historically been united on calling for no taxpayer funding for abortion.).

    He said that he supports taxing and regulating marijuana, but that the government should continue its war on other drugs, and he did not even call for an eventual end, or phasing out of the government’s war on other drugs.

    He said that he admires Angela Merkel, Germany’s disastrous socialist Prime Minister (note that she is a former member of the Communist Party).

    He said that Hillary Clinton is a wonderful person, and gushed over her so much during the campaign trail, and he practically endorsed her for President.

    I could go on, but I think that everyone should the point.

    How are Bill Weld’s views libertarian? Most libertarians would say that Bill Weld is far from being a libertarian.

    What would you say about a person who supports gun control, eminent domain, wars of aggression, mass domestic spying, and government healthcare mandates? I damn sure would not call this person a libertarian. These are all things that Bill Weld supports.

    I asked Anthony to provide a list of the policy positions of Augustus Invictus, and he has failed to do so, which illustrates that he is just engaging in name calling without even having his facts straight.

    Regardless of the merits or demerits of Augustus Invictus, the fact of the matter is that him attending an event, and participating in a debate at said event, is an example of free speech and free discourse. Lots of people will be in attendance at this event, and all will have varying opinions of Augustus. Him speaking there does not necessarily indicate any level of support for or against him, or any of his views, by the event organizers, or those attending the event.

  39. Anthony Dlugos

    Keep digging that hole, Andy.

    I don’t have to “provide a list of the policy positions of Augustus Invictus…” he called himself a fascist. He uses Nazi imagery and writes using Nazi themes such as the need for the powerful to govern the weak and the genocide of his “people.” His “Letter to the People of Europe” is so replete with fascist/nationalistic overtones, there is no point in even excerpting it.

    You’re a hard right, conspiratorial paleconservative with apparent nationalistic tendencies. Tendencies that are apparently so ingrained, that rather than checking yourself as to why you excoriate Weld and parse the phrasing of Goat Blood Boy’s positions, you simply double down and don’t see the dark, dark place you are taking your political positions.

    “I could go on, but I think that everyone should the point.”

    I think they do Andy. It ain’t pretty.

  40. Tony From Long Island

    DL . . . ” . . .
    A Classic example of labeling an entire group for the stupidity of a few.”

    Boy, if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black… . . . ”

    What do you have against black kettles? . . . . give me an example of when I do this?

    I would never consider all libertarians nut bags just because Andy is one.

    Remember . . . I used to be a libertarian . .

  41. Tony From Long Island

    Andy: ” . . . .Congratulations Anthony, you just posted the dumbest comment I have read here in quite awhile. . . . . ”

    Awesome! He took the title from me . . . but then again . . . my name is Anthony also.

  42. Marc Montoni

    Hmmm…. “violent fascist v. CFR member.”

    Sounds pretty much the same to me.

    One is just part of the elite, hides his brownshirt under a suit, and he separates himself with armed costumed agents of the state.

  43. Anthony Dlugos

    “Sounds pretty much the same to me.”

    Is that a Radical-approved message?

    Sounds like it.

  44. dL

    What do you have against black kettles? . . . . give me an example of when I do this?

    Actually, I was referring to Andy in an apparent misinterpretation of who had actually written:

    A Classic example of labeling an entire group for the stupidity of a few.

    If that was Andy merely quoting you, then disregard.

  45. Andy

    What violence did Invictus support, beyond calling for an armed revolt against the US government, which is no different than what the Founding Fathers of this country did in the American Revolution?

    I see a pattern of Bill Weld being a warmonger (like his support for both wars in Iraq), and supporting authoritarian policies. I see a pattern of Bill Weld supporting corporatism.

    The label of fascist applies more to Bill Weld, a guy Anthony enthusiastically supports.

  46. Andy

    Oh yeah Anthony, I am so conservative that I think that gays should be free to get married, that the war on drugs should be called off, and that prostitution and pornography should be legal. I am such a nationalist that I have called for the abolition of the nation state in favor of a voluntary anarcho-capitalist society.

    Keep trying Anthony, maybe you will get something right at some point.

  47. Andy

    So Anthony attacks Augustus Invictus’ policy proposals, YET HE CAN’T EVEN NAME ANY OF HIS POLICY PROPOSALS, and he is too lazy to look them up.

    THIS IS CLASSIC!

    Notice how when I was critical of Bill Weld, I backed it up with an actual list of Weld’s policy proposals, actions as an elected official, and endorsements.

    Regardless of the merits or demerits of Augustus Invictus, you should at least find out his actual issue stances instead of talking out of your ass.

  48. Andy

    The Antifa are not just resisting fascism. They are pushing for a Marxist agenda. They also engage in acts of violence and property destruction, and they have actively worked to shut down free speech (like that Milo event in Berkeley).

  49. paulie

    The Antifa are not just resisting fascism. They are pushing for a Marxist agenda.

    No, not all antifa are pushing for a marxist agenda. That is not true.

    They also engage in acts of violence and property destruction

    That would only be some individuals, and not the movement as a whole. Most antifascists engage in peaceful protest. There are people at many different kinds of protests who cross the line into violence but that does not speak for the protests or movements as a whole.

    they have actively worked to shut down free speech (like that Milo event in Berkeley).

    Engaging in free speech to oppose fascists such as Milo and Invictus is different from taking away their speech rights. We can also protest against giving them a platform to amplify their message of hate without seeking to shut down all their speech altogether. And people who go beyond that to use physical force to stop them from speaking are not representing the rest of us.

  50. Anthony Dlugos

    No one agrees 100% with any party or candidate, Andy.

    What I am sure of is that if you went to a site like iSideWith, or completed some survey of your positions that included a scale as to how strongly you felt about each position, I have no doubt the survey would have had Trump and Castle at #1 and #2 in some order, and Johnson at #3.

  51. Andy

    Paul said”Engaging in free speech to oppose fascists such as Milo and Invictus is different from taking away their speech rights.”

    The Antifa that protested Milo were not just peacefully protesting, they were creating mayhem and destruction, and they were using intimidation to shut down free speech. Their behavior was disgusting and those who engaged in these acts are scum.

    ” We can also protest against giving them a platform to amplify their message of hate without seeking to shut down all their speech altogether.”

    Milo was INVITED to speak by some people at that campus. Augustus has been INVITED to speak at some places (and for this event coming up in Pennsylvania, it is actually a debate, and his opponent in the debate, Will Coley, actually wants Augustus to be there, because he wants the opportunity to debate him). Only a crybaby who is incapable of engaging in rational debate tries to prevent somebody from speaking.

    This is no different than people who complain to try to get Libertarians who are seeking ballot access petition signatures kicked out of locations that carry public foot traffic so they can’t get any signatures, or who keep Libertarian Party candidates out of debates.

    “And people who go beyond that to use physical force to stop them from speaking are not representing the rest of us.”

    There is in fact a pattern of people in these groups engaging in acts of violence and property destruction all over the country.

  52. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    March 27, 2017 at 18:23
    No one agrees 100% with any party or candidate, Andy.”

    Sure, there is some internal debate within every party. One can completely agree with a party’s platform, but still have disagreements on the INTERPRETATION of that platform, or they could disagree on political strategy, or they may even disagree with one, or a few, platform planks.

    There is really nothing in the libertarian philosophy with which I disagree, and as for the Libertarian Party’s platform go, there is really nothing in it, outside of a few things that could be worded better, of which I really object.

    Immigration are abortion are two of the mostly hotly long debated topics within libertarian circles, and although some my try to paint me as being “not libertarian” on these issues, I disagree, and there are lots of others in the party and movement who agree with me.

    It is perfectly legitimate and within the libertarian philosophy to deny entry to and/or reject people who are a threat to “security, health, and property,” as in denying entry to and/or tossing out criminals, people with communicable diseases, welfare recipients, or people with hostile political ideologies, and this would be so even if we lived in an anarcho-capitalist voluntary private property society (see my Disney World security example in other threads). Where I disagree with some Libertarians is that they believe (I would say naively) that everyone should be able to enter the country, under all circumstances, even if this policy leads to greatly increasing the number of people on welfare, and greatly increasing the voting block that votes in favor of expanding the welfare state and increasing gun control laws, and that all people crossing are peaceful, even if they are Jihadis, or Marxists, or gang bangers. I differentiate between peaceful people and non-peaceful people, and I do NOT consider socialists, communists, or theocrats to be peaceful people. I do NOT favor cutting off all immigration, but while government exists (which mean for the foreseeable future), I do favor a policy that would weed out socialists, communists, theocrats, criminals, welfare recipients, and people with communicable diseases (I have explained my interim policy proposals in other threads). The REAL libertarian position on immigration is found in the anarcho-capitalist society, where decisions concerning migration/immigration are decided by land owners, and I certainly agree with this (of course such a society is so far from today’s society, that talking about it is dealing with a far off hypothetical).

    Now as for abortion, like I explained in another thread, the first several years that I was in the LP, I was more in the pro-abortion camp. I started hearing the pro-life libertarian arguments in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s, but it took me awhile to really consider those arguments, and it did not start to hit me until it dawned on me that it is pretty messed up to kill a fetus. Go look at some pictures and/or watch some videos of aborted fetuses. Lots of Libertarians and small “l” libertarians are pro-life. Having said this, like I explained in another thread, I do NOT consider abortion to be a high priority issue, and I do not see anything being done about it any time soon, due to the public, and even libertarians and constitutionalist type people, being so divided on the issue. I think that a super-majority of public opinion would have to shift on the issue before anything could be done about it (and maybe one day medical science will make it obsolete, or very rare).

    I don’t think that I’ve taken any issue stances that are outside of libertarian orthodoxy.

    There does come a point though, where a person is so far out of line with a political party’s platform, as I would say that Bill Weld is, that one should really NOT be in that political party. Not only is Bill Weld out of line with multiple Libertarian Party platform planks, he also has a record of lying, and stabbing the party in the back, and just being generally disloyal to the party and movement which the party represents. Bill Weld LIED and broke his word to the LP of NY, he LIED at the national convention about his true stance on gun rights, and as the LP’s candidate for Vice President,

    “What I am sure of is that if you went to a site like iSideWith, or completed some survey of your positions that included a scale as to how strongly you felt about each position, I have no doubt the survey would have had Trump and Castle at #1 and #2 in some order, and Johnson at #3.”

    I took the ISideWith quiz last year, twice, and I posted the results here both times.

    My results came out as follows:

    1) Darryl W. Perry (96%).

    2) Marc Allen Feldman (93%)

    3) Austin Petersen (90%)

    4) John McAfee (89%)

    5) Gary Johnson (86%)

    6) Ted Cruz (75%)

    7) Donald Trump (65%)

    8) Bernie Sanders (55%)

    9) Jill Stein (47%)

    10) John Kasich (37%)

    11) Hillary Clinton (27%)

    So once again, Anthony is WRONG.

    Darrell Castle was not on the ISideWith quiz when I took it, but if he had been, chances are that he’d have been pretty high on my list, probably somewhere between Petersen and Perry.

    I met Darrell Castle in person when I attended a debate in Tennessee several years ago, and during the course of my conversation with him, I asked a question about his opposition to the War on Drugs. He said that he opposed it during the debate. I asked him if his opposition to the War on Drugs was just at the federal level, and whether or not he supports it at the state and/or local level. He told me that he completely opposed the war on drugs, local, state, and federal. He said that if he got elected to a state or local office in Tennessee, that he’d work to end the war on drugs. I then told him that I’m a member of the Libertarian Party, and he said that he considers himself to be a libertarian, and that if the Constitution Party was not around, he’d probably be a member of the Libertarian Party. He said that his main problem with the Libertarian Party was its refusal to take a hard line stance against abortion.

    I’d say that Darrell Castle is more libertarian than anyone who has been on the Libertarian Party’s presidential ticket since Michael Badnarik.

  53. Andy

    “Immigration are abortion are two of the mostly hotly long debated topics within libertarian circles, and although some my try to paint me”

    Should read, “Immigration and abortion are two of the most hotly long debated topics within libertarian circles, and although some may try to paint me…”

  54. Tony From Long Island

    Daryl Perry was on the Isidewith thingie?

    Andy, why do you CONSTANTLY do the “should read” posts? Almost every time, we KNOW what you were trying to say! A typing mistake is OK! Unless the context of what you were trying to express is unclear, please STOP!!!!

  55. paulie

    The Antifa that protested Milo were not just peacefully protesting, they were creating mayhem and destruction, and they were using intimidation to shut down free speech.

    No, that was a small “black bloc” group which infiltrated the protests.

    Milo was INVITED to speak by some people at that campus. Augustus has been INVITED to speak at some places

    And other people have the right to protest against such speakers being invited. Those who cross the line from protesting to rioting lose my support. They don’t speak for the larger group organizing the protests. Why does this have to be explained repeatedly?

    This is no different than people who complain to try to get Libertarians who are seeking ballot access petition signatures kicked out of locations that carry public foot traffic so they can’t get any signatures, or who keep Libertarian Party candidates out of debates.

    No, not even close at all.

    There is in fact a pattern of people in these groups engaging in acts of violence and property destruction all over the country.

    Many different kinds of protests draw destructive elements who don’t represent the majority of people at those protests. This should not be a hard concept to understand.

  56. Anthony Dlugos

    “And other people have the right to protest against such speakers being invited. Those who cross the line from protesting to rioting lose my support. They don’t speak for the larger group organizing the protests. Why does this have to be explained repeatedly??”

    Because, at a bare minimum, Andy has some sympathy for Goat Blood Boy’s positions, and that’s something that can veer quite easily into outright support.

  57. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    March 28, 2017 at 08:17
    Andy prefers Invictus to Weld. We know that much.”

    I still think that Augustus Invictus might be a government plant who has been sent in to make Libertarians look crazy, but then again, maybe he is just eccentric, or maybe he’s just a performance artist with a warped sense of humor. Regardless of this, what I have seen and heard from the actual policy positions from Augustus (not the things that some people repeat about him, but what Augustus says his actual views are), yeah, he is certainly better than Bill Weld.

    Bill Weld is probably the worst candidate in the history of the Libertarian Party, so saying that I prefer another Libertarian Party candidate over Bill Weld is not exactly a big endorsement. I’d vote for Mr. Potato Head before I’d vote for Bill Weld.

  58. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    March 28, 2017 at 07:35
    Daryl Perry was on the Isidewith thingie?”

    Yeah, Perry was on there both times when I took the quiz, along with Feldman, Petersen, McAfee, and Johnson. Darryl Perry came up as my top choice both times, and in fact, the order I listed above came up the same both times, although my percent of lining up with some of them changed a little bit. The first time I took the quiz, I had Darryl Perry at number one at 94%. The first time I took the quiz, I went through it rather quickly, but the second time I took it, I slowed down a bit and gave the questions more thought, and that time I came out with Perry at 96%. Note that the quiz is not perfect, but it is pretty good, and it allows you to weight questions, and to create your own answers if one is not available among the multiple choice answers that you want to check.

    “Andy, why do you CONSTANTLY do the ‘should read’ posts? Almost every time, we KNOW what you were trying to say! A typing mistake is OK! Unless the context of what you were trying to express is unclear, please STOP!!!!”

    I type fast and I generally do not proof read, and I usually have several things going on at the same time (multiple screens up, videos playing, etc…), so sometimes I make an error and do not spot it until I have already posted it. I could log in to the site and change it, but that it too much of a pain.

  59. Andy

    “but that it too much of a pain.”

    Should read, “but that is too much of a pain.”

    LOL!

  60. Andy

    Since Augustus has been a topic of conversation here lately, I have been looking into his policy positions, and I have watched several of his videos over the last few days. A lot of the hysteria surrounding Invictus is people saying that he supports government forced eugenics. He has said repeatedly that he does NOT support this issue. He does believe that a small government free market oriented society would naturally create a more rugged population, but he said that he does NOT advocate a government program to force eugenics on the population. He also has repeatedly denied being a fascist, and he said that he completely supports calling off the War on Drugs (all drugs, not just marijuana), he supports gun rights, he supports ending the Federal Reserve System, he supports a peaceful foreign policy, he opposes The Patriot Act and mass domestic spying, he opposes eminent domain for corporate interests, he opposes the police violating civil rights, and he has also come out in favor of other non-fascist policies.

    Now maybe he’s a liar, or maybe he is a government plant, or maybe he is crazy, or maybe all of the above or some combination thereof. I was just repeating what HE SAYS his political positions are.

  61. Andy

    The TEA Party was originally formed by libertarians and constitutionalists who were upset over taxes and government spending and debt, and especially over the TARP bailouts.

    The TEA Party ended up being hijacked/co-opted by the Republican Party, and it went off in a bunch of non-libertarian directions, and various groups claiming to be TEA Party endorsed big government candidates, and various big government candidates started claiming to be with the TEA Party. After awhile, the TEA Party lost its original purpose, and most of the libertarian and constitutionalist type people started to distance themselves from the TEA Party. The TEA Party became essentially worthless, and pretty much went against its original purpose.

    The Antifa ranks are dominated by people with varying degrees of a Marxist ideology. So why would a Libertarian like Paul go around aligning himself with a bunch of socialists and communists? Yeah, I can see forming a coalition on a few issues where there may be common ground, but you can do this with lots of different groups, including the TEA Party.

    Now I can see if Paul wants to go into an Antifa group and try to sway their members to give up their socialist/communist ideas, in favor of libertarianism, but you could try the same thing with other groups, including the TEA Party, who Paul rejected after they got take over by Republicans.

    I liked the TEA Party when it first came out, back when it consisted of libertarians and constitutionalists, but I abandoned the TEA Party pretty quickly when I saw it getting co-opted by the Republican establishment. I will still talk to a TEA Party person, just like I will talk to an Anfifa, or anyone else, and try to sway them in the direction of liberty, but I don’t identify myself as being part of the TEA Party or part of the Antifa.

  62. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    ” . . . .I type fast and I generally do not proof read, and I usually have several things going on at the same time (multiple screens up, videos playing, etc…), so sometimes I make an error and do not spot it until I have already posted it. I could log in to the site and change it, but that it too much of a pain. . . . . ”

    That my point!! We all type fast!! Typing mistakes do not make you less of a libertarian (or less of a nut bag). Unless the context is lost, let them go . . . .we can get the gist of your deluded rants without the corrections.

    Mr. Potato Head / Weld 2020!!

  63. paulie

    Andy,

    It’s not that complicated. Antifa means antifascist. I got involved with antifa when nazi skins were trying to take over the hardcore music scene in NYC in the 1980s like they had already done in other cities. We beat them back, physically, and won. I’m still an antifascist, so I am still antifa. Yes, a lot of antifa are Marxists or anarchosyndicalist, so on issues where we disagree, we disagree, and that’s that. But if I knew of an antifascist protest somewhere where I happen to be and I was not too busy that day I would go. It’s kind of like when you and I went and joined a protest against Karl Rove speaking in Conway. Most of the people at the protest would have disagreed with us on a variety of issues, but we all agreed Karl Rove is a turd, and that was the point of the rally.

    Likewise, I will still work with tea partiers if for example they are working to lobby for or against some legislation where I agree with them. As for the tea parties themselves, they were a decidedly mixed bag from the beginning and have gotten decidedly worse. The very first one I went to after the national rollout, I believe around April 2009 in Tuscaloosa, had Limbaugh blasting from the speakers in between speeches, Republican politicians (and only Republican ones) speaking from the stage with the crowd cheering, people carrying signs about abortion, and so on. It was basically a right wing rally on a broad spectrum of issues, just like antiwar rallies often have speakers and audience members that turn them into a litany of unrelated leftist causes. Nevertheless I still go to them when I can. I usually find at least some people I can work with on at least some things at just about any political gathering I attend, and even if I don’t, they are a learning experience in some way…maybe something about how the organizers run them, or whatever.

    With antifascist rallies I will go to them when and where I can because I agree with the organizers about the issue of the rally, which is opposing fascism. From the detailed accounts I have read, the people who start violence and property destruction at these events are a very tiny minority. Yes, I disagree with most of the other people there on various unrelated issues, but that’s true no matter where I go, and I never let that stop me.

  64. paulie

    Now maybe he’s a liar

    Yes, he’s definitely a liar. I have studied him in some detail. He is still a fascist, racist piece of shit.

  65. NewFederalist

    “I liked the TEA Party when it first came out, back when it consisted of libertarians and constitutionalists, but I abandoned the TEA Party pretty quickly when I saw it getting co-opted by the Republican establishment.”- Andy

    WHICH Tea Party? There are at least three.

  66. Andy

    “NewFederalist
    March 28, 2017 at 20:18
    ‘I liked the TEA Party when it first came out, back when it consisted of libertarians and constitutionalists, but I abandoned the TEA Party pretty quickly when I saw it getting co-opted by the Republican establishment.’- Andy

    WHICH Tea Party? There are at least three.”

    I’m talking about the one that started with Ron Paul supporters. I think that it was in December of 2007, but it could have been December of 2008. I’d have to look it up.

  67. Great ideas

    Sounds like it’s just a matter of time until Andy Jacobs comes out as an open Augustus Invictus supporter. Maybe they will hook up and having a meeting of the minds at the Mid-Atlantic Festival.

  68. Anthony Dlugos

    “Sounds like it’s just a matter of time until Andy Jacobs comes out as an open Augustus Invictus supporter. ”

    If he isn’t already. Could be a closeted AI supporter.

    As I said, note the balancing act Andy performs with AI, accepting Goat Blood Boy’s explanations for his previous admission of being a fascist and other absurd and lunatic positions, while arguing Governor Weld’s previous positions on restrictions on some gun rights makes him unacceptable. For Andy, being a CFR member is worse than a thoroughgoing use of nazi/nationalist/xenophobic imagery and themes, and nazi-influenced writings.

    You gotta read between the lines with Andy. For example, note what he wrote here about Goat Blood Boy:

    “Now maybe he’s a liar, or maybe he is a government plant, or maybe he is crazy, or maybe all of the above or some combination thereof. ”

    Notice what he didn’t include in that list of options? The idea that AI might be WRONG. Its not the nationalist and nazi positions that Andy has a problem with. Its that AI might not be genuine.

  69. NewFederalist

    “WHICH Tea Party? There are at least three.” – NewFederalist

    “I’m talking about the one that started with Ron Paul supporters. I think that it was in December of 2007, but it could have been December of 2008. I’d have to look it up.” – Andy

    Is that the group co-founded by Jenny Beth Martin? They call themselves Tea Party Patriots. They appear to be the most active group to me. They lean way too Republican for my tastes but at least take the GOP establishment to task regularly. They seem to have it right when it comes to 2nd Amendment issues and Obamacare. They seem able to criticize Trump without difficulty which is also a plus.

  70. Great ideas

    Anthony Dlugos: “If he isn’t already. Could be a closeted AI supporter.” Fair point, I think you may be right. That may be why I (or my fellow Committee of Great Ideas member) wrote ‘… comes out as an open Augustus Invictus supporter.” As in one who is not closeted. I think Andy Jacobs and Augustus Invictus will have a lot to talk about when they hook up. Er, I mean meet. Especially if Nathan Larson joins them!

  71. Anthony Dlugos

    His dissection of AI’s positions and the benefit of doubt he gives the guy stands in stark contrast to his blanket disapproval of Johnson/Weld. What bothers him is fantasyland NWO conspiracies. A guy who admits to fascism and lathers on the fascist imagery? Not so much.

    Yet another example of “Party of Principle” taken to absurdist conclusions.

  72. Andy

    “Notice what he didn’t include in that list of options? The idea that AI might be WRONG. Its not the nationalist and nazi positions that Andy has a problem with. Its that AI might not be genuine.”

    Which Nazi positions does Augustus Invictus hold? I have been looking into his actual political stances, and I have found him to hold a bunch of libertarian views on a variety of issues. Bill Weld is closer to being a Nazi than Invictus is (Weld supports gun control, mass domestic spying, foreign wars of aggression, eminent domain for corporate interests, taxpayer funded bailouts, etc…). Invictus is a minarchist, not an anarchist, but the Libertarian Party has plenty of minarchists.

    I have asked you several times to provide a list of the policy positions espoused by Augustus Invictus, and you have still failed to do this. I suppose that it is easier to engage in mindless name calling than it is to do any research and post any facts.

  73. Andy

    “NewFederalist
    March 29, 2017 at 10:34
    “WHICH Tea Party? There are at least three.” – NewFederalist

    ‘I’m talking about the one that started with Ron Paul supporters. I think that it was in December of 2007, but it could have been December of 2008. I’d have to look it up.’ – Andy

    Is that the group co-founded by Jenny Beth Martin? They call themselves Tea Party Patriots. They appear to be the most active group to me. They lean way too Republican for my tastes but at least take the GOP establishment to task regularly. They seem to have it right when it comes to 2nd Amendment issues and Obamacare. They seem able to criticize Trump without difficulty which is also a plus.”

    No. The TEA Party did not start out like this. It started out as a group of libertarian and constitutinalist type of people informally getting together to protest taxes, spending, debt, and the bailouts.

    These different groups using the TEA Party name, like TEA Party Patriots, came along well after this.

  74. paulie

    Which Nazi positions does Augustus Invictus hold?

    For example, see http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/03/augustus-invictus-letter-to-the-people-of-europe/

    For anyone who thinks he has renounced fascism, see http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/03/rose-city-antifa-report-on-augustus-invictus-visit-to-portland-or/ and pay close attention to his own quotes in that article (but read the rest too).

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/ Note this is not some “college paper” it’s what he does now as a supposedly LP political candidate.

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/07/augustus-invictus-a-declaration-of-the-failings-of-the-federal-government/ See my comments.

    Do a search for invictus in the IPR search box for more. He has campaigned at National Socialist Movement rallies among others. He is a lying piece of shit any time he claims he is not racist and fascist. The clues as to what he is really all about are not exactly subtle. The nazi skinhead terrorists of the American Front are not just his legal clients, they are his friends. He referred to Ezra Pound as “my fellow American fascist” not very long ago. It goes on and on.

  75. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    ” . . . . Bill Weld is closer to being a Nazi than Invictus is (Weld supports gun control, mass domestic spying, foreign wars of aggression, eminent domain for corporate interests, taxpayer funded bailouts, etc…) . . . . ”

    YAWN!! Give it a rest. You are doing your best to make yourself look even worse than you usually do.

    Sometimes I think you live in outer space because sound doesn’t travel in the vacuum of space and after a while, no one hears you anymore. Just stop.

  76. Thane Eichenauer (@ilovegrover)

    There is plenty of words available to read on the internet. Of the subset of those words found here at IPR I occasionally find those written by Andy to be useful. I may not read but 4% of those comments he puts out.

    His comments above are more cogent and to the point than many on this post. It may well inspire me to resume reading his comments on other posts here at IPR.

    I applaud paulie’s comment above where he encourages people to read for themselves about Augustus Sol Invictus. Read his words, watch what he has said, listen to what he says. Decide for yourself.

    Definition of cogent: (of an argument or case) clear, logical, and convincing.

  77. Tony From Long Island

    Anyone who thinks Andy is “Cogent” and “to the point” is either related to him or doesn’t know what “to the point” means.

  78. Anthony Dlugos

    lol, Tony.

    Looks like the event was cancelled again anyway.

    Just no market for nationalistic/fascist thinking these days. Too bad.

  79. astonished

    Tony from Long Island: “Anyone who thinks Andy is “Cogent” and “to the point” is either related to him or doesn’t know what “to the point” means.” Good point. Those would hardly be the terms that would come to mind when thinking of Andy Jacobs.

    Anthony Dlugos: “Looks like the event was cancelled again anyway.

    Just no market for nationalistic/fascist thinking these days. Too bad.” I have to give the devil his due here. The event was cancelled, according to the organizers anyway, not due to lack of interest but due to repeated bomb threats made to every venue they tried to hold it at. Invictus’ debate was only one of many panels and speakers at the planned event. In fact, Invictus still plans to appear in Harrisburg that day separately according to what I have seen posted elsewhere. Instead of trying to move the event, perhaps the organizers should have replaced Invictus in the immigration debate with another immigration restrictionist, such as Pennsylvania’s own Andy Jacobs.

  80. Anthony Dlugos

    now, Andy I would go watch debate, lol.

    true on the bomb threats, but in theory, if there was enough of a market for Goat Blood Boy’s blatherings, there would be no bomb threats.

  81. astonished

    Anthony Dlugos: “true on the bomb threats, but in theory, if there was enough of a market for Goat Blood Boy’s blatherings, there would be no bomb threats.” I don’t know how much of the online interest translated into actual ticket sales but it seemed to generate an above average amount of discussion for a libertarian gathering. At least in theory, they could have filled the biggest stadium or arena in the state and still been shut down by one individual phoning in a bomb threat which may have not even been a genuine threat for that matter. On the other hand, maybe they were in fact failing to sell tickets and made up the bomb threat to cover for their failure. Or, Invictus himself may have been behind the threat, as it has earned him attention and sympathy from some.

    In related news, Vermin Supreme and members of the audacious caucus threatened to throw a pie at Invictus on stage, and he in turn said that anyone who did so would wake up in the hospital and then have charges pressed against them (the pie thrower) for battery. To say that Invictus has a few screws loose is far too generous.

    Anthony Dlugos: “now, Andy I would go watch debate, lol.” I would as well. Perhaps Andy Jacobs has a new career spinoff ahead of him as a speaker/debate. As a world champion multitasker, I think Andy can be on stage kicking butt in a debate or holding a crowd in the palm of his hand while at the very same time getting lots of signatures on a petition, watching several youtube videos, posting comments on several internet forums, conducting a survey of the general public, and juggling several pins using only his nose as it expands to Pinocchio-like proportions (see relatively recent comments in the Tom Knapp platform shoes thread for reference).

  82. astonished

    Anthony Dlugos: “true on the bomb threats, but in theory, if there was enough of a market for Goat Blood Boy’s blatherings, there would be no bomb threats.” I don’t know how much of the online interest translated into actual ticket sales but it seemed to generate an above average amount of discussion for a libertarian gathering. At least in theory, they could have filled the biggest stadium or arena in the state and still been shut down by one individual phoning in a bomb threat which may have not even been a genuine threat for that matter. On the other hand, maybe they were in fact failing to sell tickets and made up the bomb threat to cover for their failure. Or, Invictus himself may have been behind the threat, as it has earned him attention and sympathy from some.

  83. astonished

    In related news, Vermin Supreme and members of the audacious caucus threatened to throw a pie at Invictus on stage, and he in turn said that anyone who did so would wake up in the hospital and then have charges pressed against them (the pie thrower) for battery. To say that Invictus has a few screws loose is far too generous.

  84. astonished

    Anthony Dlugos: “now, Andy I would go watch debate, lol.” I would as well. Perhaps Andy Jacobs has a new career spinoff ahead of him as a speaker/debater. As a world champion multitasker, I think Andy can be on stage kicking butt in a debate or holding a crowd in the palm of his hand while at the very same time getting lots of signatures on a petition, watching several youtube videos, posting comments on several internet forums, conducting a survey of the general public, and juggling several pins using only his nose as it expands to Pinocchio-like proportions (see relatively recent comments in the Tom Knapp platform shoes thread for reference).

  85. Anthony Dlugos

    “At least in theory, they could have filled the biggest stadium or arena in the state and still been shut down by one individual phoning in a bomb threat which may have not even been a genuine threat for that matter.”

    good point

  86. Anthony Dlugos

    “and he in turn said that anyone who did so would wake up in the hospital and then have charges pressed against them (the pie thrower) for battery. To say that Invictus has a few screws loose is far too generous.”

    This is the problem when dopes start calling themselves fascists/using fascist imagery/themes/messages and are not prepared to follow through with actual violence. Really blunts the calls to war and demands for Lebensraum.

  87. Great ideas

    Anthony Dlugos: “This is the problem when dopes start calling themselves fascists/using fascist imagery/themes/messages and are not prepared to follow through with actual violence. Really blunts the calls to war and demands for Lebensraum.” Sadly in this case I think Invictus may well be prepared to follow through. I think that would be insanely disproportionate. Getting pied may be embarrassing but it is hardly battery. At most you may be entitled to compensation for your dry cleaning bill and maybe a little more for the time of dealing with it. I would only hope that if a pie-thrower got hospitalized due to Invictus physically attacking him in retaliation that Invictus would be the one facing battery charges. That Invictus seriously seems to believe that getting hit with a pie entitles him to both beat someone to the point of putting them in the hospital and then press charges against them for battery shows how extremely mentally unbalanced he is. If I was organizing any kind of event, libertarian or otherwise, he would never be welcome there, much less invited as a speaker or panelist of any sort. And it’s not just because of his views, but because of the potential for violence both from himself and those who oppose him.

    George Phillies: “Hopefully there have been complaints made to the state and Federal government about the terrorist activities.” In this case, Phillies has a point. Terroristic threats that shut down events should be treated seriously whether or not the people making them have any intention or ability to carry them out. However, it is also worth noting that reporting various things to state and federal governments and calling for discussions to be curtailed seems to be George Phillies’ overwhelming passion, especially recently. As astonished posted on another thread: “Great ideas: “George Phillies: “This conversation should be deleted, and the participants given a time out.” Everyone who agrees with George, raise your right hand and hold it out straight!”

    Has anyone else noticed that about the only reason George Phillies comes around here anymore is to try to shut down other people’s conversations if he does not approve of their content? He was trying to do the same thing to Robert Capozzi in another thread, and was not successful then either. Perhaps Professor Phillies feels a lack in his life, now that he has retired, of situations where he is in control of a group, as he was in his classroom when he was lecturing his students.

  88. Tony From Long Island

    yeah . . . let’s side with the fascist than those trying to disrupt it . . . .

    George, I’m guessing you weren’t a hippie in the 60’s. You were definitely in the Youth For Nixon squares who rocked out to The Carpenters (note: I actually love the Carpenters and have most of their stuff on my iPod)

  89. astonished

    Tony from Long Island: “yeah . . . let’s side with the fascist than those trying to disrupt it . . . .

    George, I’m guessing you weren’t a hippie in the 60’s. You were definitely in the Youth For Nixon squares” I don’t know about George, but I side neither with a fascist such as Invictus nor with those using bomb threats to shut down not just him but a larger event of which he was only a small part. As for Nixon, but pretty much the only things I did during his administration were drinking milk, crying, soiling my diaper and taking naps. But based on my study of history I am not a fan of President Nixon. These days, I think President Trump has quite a bit in common with what I have read about President Nixon, and I find myself more in sympathy with the women in the pussy hats protesting the president than with the president himself.

  90. Tony From Long Island

    Can someone post a link to a legitimate source reporting the bomb threats to this insignificant Nazi? Why would someone go out of their way to bother with someone that nobody cares about.

    btw — Mr. Astonished, try to put some space between what you are quoting and your response. It’s tricky to discern where one ends and the other begins.

  91. Great ideas

    Here is what was posted by the organizers “The organizers of the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival are very sorry to have to announce that our replacement venue has also cancelled.

    The message we received this evening from the facility stated: “I regret to inform you that after discussion with local law enforcement and hotel ownership, we feel it is in the best interest of the hotel and public safety to cancel your event… Any guests who booked overnight rooms, will be able to cancel with no penalty. Please inform them but let them know they need to cancel the reservation. If they do not cancel their reservation but do not show up for the room, the no show fee will apply.”

    The organizers have continued to look for yet a further replacement venue but at this point the ability to host the event as promised will not be possible. Therefore, for all tickets that have been purchased through eventbrite, refunds will be processed tomorrow, Friday, March 31st

    We thank those who have continued with us in trying to make this event happen.”

    Steve Scheetz: “We found out yesterday evening, and went into scramble mode to try and tell those traveling from a distance to stay home. We MAY put something together so that our PA candidates can take advantage of the non-refundable money spent on the professional videographer, but it will not be on the order of the MALF. If you are local (enough), PM me I hope to have some details later today.”

    Tony from Long Island: “try to put some space between what you are quoting and your response. It’s tricky to discern where one ends and the other begins.” Have you tried looking for the end quotemark? It looks a lot like the start quotemark but comes at the end of the quote.

  92. Tony From Long Island

    Somewhat Decent Idea: ” . . . . Have you tried looking for the end quotemark? It looks a lot like the start quotemark but comes at the end of the quote. . . . . ”

    Sarcasm . . . splendid. Why are so many libertarians smarmy wise asses?

  93. astonished

    Tony from Long Island: “Why are so many libertarians smarmy wise asses?” That’s a good question. We really should ask some libertarians.

  94. Great ideas

    I don’t know whether Tony from LI would find this source credible: http://www.thelibertyconservative.com/antifa-terror-threats-cause-venue-drop-libertarian-festival-event-now-jeopardy/

    It refers to this facebook post by festival organizer, Steve Scheetz:

    https://www.facebook.com/cz85b/posts/10154230359441750 “Steve Scheetz
    March 24 at 4:16pm ·

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I am VERY sad to say that the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival will not be held at the Hilton in Harrisburg. We are working on an alternate venue at the moment, and information about that will be available soon for those traveling. However, in the mean time, to those of you who have reservations at the Hilton, Please cancel them at your earliest convenience. Mention the Festival to make certain that you are not charged any fees for canceling.

    Apparently, Antifa had called in potential bomb threats, sabotage against the hotel, and promised violence.

    To me it is horrifying that in the United States a fringe group can get away with its threats of violence, but such is the world in which we live. I am truly sorry to the staff of the Hilton, all have been wonderful to me when setting this up in the first place. Thank you for that!

    Again, we are working on an alternative venue, the location will be announced once it is known, though there will not be much time between then and when we are going to start our event, so stay tuned! We may yet have a peaceful exchange of ideas!

    EDIT!!!!! People, PLEASE do not call the hotel and complain… This is NOT their fault….”

  95. Tony From Long Island

    On the one hand, it’s sad that bomb threats are made at all . . . on the other hand it’s good that people are trying to disrupt a scum bag from spewing garbage. . . . just do it in a better way . . .

    anyway . . . have a good weekend everyone (except Andy . . .)

  96. dL

    Have you tried looking for the end quotemark? It looks a lot like the start quotemark but comes at the end of the quote.

    Manually use the html blockquote tag when composing replies, quoting others…

  97. Great ideas

    dL: “Manually use the html blockquote tag when composing replies, quoting others…” We prefer quote marks. Faster, easier and works just fine. Plus no accidentally blown tags.

  98. Steve Scheetz

    There is a bit of irony….. (I can’t laugh at it, it is just too raw for me.)

    ASI Spoke in Harrisburg on the evening of the first. A member of Antifa who was scheduled to speak that day, did not, due to the second shut down occurring a day and some hours before our event was to begin.

    Of the two dozes speakers scheduled, half were heard from. ASI’s positions were NOT challenged, instead, he was made more popular. The LPF Re-examined the letter of condemnation signed by Adrian Wyllie and determined it to be filled with bogus claims. I am certain that this will not matter to many, it certainly will not matter to the people who would rather have their way than allow others to peacefully host an event.

    I really find it heart wrenching to learn that “Libertarians” were praising the government intervention and saying that “the market spoke”

    Let me clarify something….. No, the market did not speak. The STATE spoke. The STATE said that if people thump their chests hard enough on social media, then the STATE will tell whichever hotel to shut down the event.

    The second hotel was informed of why we had to shut down in Harrisburg, and things were coming together despite the fact that we were looking at a heavy loss for having to move things, change things, and the loss of attendees due to the move… (only one speaker bailed, and his slot was filled within minutes) There were many people who saw what it was that I wanted to accomplish, and they wanted it to happen as well, but the state and the chest thumpers did not, and well, they had the force of the state, so they (the chest thumpers and the state) won this round. Fear and Ignorance won this round. Division won this round.

    Freedom of speech, Freedom of association, and Freedom of Assembly lost.

    I am probably done with Independent Political Report after this post. It has been made abundantly clear after reading the posts on this and other threads surrounding this sad little saga that I am not welcome.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  99. paulie

    The LPF Re-examined the letter of condemnation signed by Adrian Wyllie and determined it to be filled with bogus claims. I am certain that this will not matter to many

    On the contrary, the original letter of condemnation did not go far enough (he should have also been expelled) and the retraction is what is filled with bogus claims. It will matter a lot and may lead to the replacement of LPF leadership, disaffiliation by national, or failing all that the LP turning into a neo-nazi fascist racist party.

    STATE will tell whichever hotel to shut down the event.

    Do you have proof that is what happened? I have seen this disputed by several sources.

    I am probably done with Independent Political Report after this post. It has been made abundantly clear after reading the posts on this and other threads surrounding this sad little saga that I am not welcome.

    You are absolutely welcome here, even though you are completely wrong about Invictus.

  100. Anthony Dlugos

    “…the LP turning into a neo-nazi fascist racist party.”

    In all seriousness, is there any real possibility of that? I mean, this infection appears to be isolated to Florida, with zero chance of spreading. Unless neo-fascism becomes popular in the country at large, which means we have bigger problems.

  101. paulie

    If it can happen in Florida it can spread to other states. We’re small enough to be a target of opportunity for them and big enough to be tempting.

  102. Anthony Dlugos

    That’s a good point. It might be more accuarte to call it the least likely of the alternatives. IMHO

  103. paulie

    It becomes more likely if the LPF exec comm is not wholesale replaced, the LPF is not disaffiliated, and the infections festers more there. They have friends in other states.

  104. Anthony Dlugos

    No market is perfect, Steve, and its not your responsibility to try and compensate for the imperfections, especially considering the fact that you at some level representative the LP.

  105. Steve Scheetz

    Paulie, I don’t know your sources, but I have a name from the Harrisburg Mayor’s office, (I will not state it publicly, but will PM if you wish to contact him directly) and my contact at the Harrisburg Hilton. (you get nothing about this person from me, because he has been through enough regarding all of the bullshit surrounding this.)

    Like I have stated a number of times, this particular Antifa group has done some bad things in Harrisburg, and they were concerned about potential bomb threats, fire alarms pulled, etc, they informed the hilton and stated that they could not guarantee security. The hilton contacted me.. First they wanted to have the debate early in the morning, then they wanted to do it off site, and then.. well, you know the rest. Sorry, there is no written evidence that I am willing to present to you. you either believe me or you do not.

    However, I will say this. The last time I was accused of lying about why we were leaving a venue goes back to 2013. I was standing in the parking lot next to one of my most recent accusers as we watched the smoke billowing out of the top of the burning venue, we watched the fire trucks come into the parking lot, I mentioned it on Facebook that our venue was on fire, and the former chairman, at the time accused me of saying this to build sympathy for my run for LPPA Chairman.

    I really felt that same WTF feeling when my “friends” started hurling accusations at me.

  106. Steve Scheetz

    On a side note, if sources are disputing my claims, then they did not speak to the people who spoke to me.

  107. paulie

    PM me whatever contacts you want to send. Actually, what you are saying does not necessarily contradict what I heard. The antifa group denies issuing any threats and says people were just encouraged to call the hotel and politely ask them not to host Invictus. Ed Reagan claims there is no proof of any threats actually being issued. That leaves two possibilities, one being that rogue individuals added threats to what should have been a polite request as called for by the group; another is that there were no actual threats but the police said they could not guarantee safety. In reality, police never generally really guarantee safety (numerous court precedents) and this would be a failure on their part (the police). I have not said or implied you are lying, just trying to match up various sources and accounts. I hope I have made clear I do not approve of any threats if there were any.

  108. Andy

    Another possibility is that the “polite” phone calls from Amtifa were interpreted as threats.

    Who knows what the real story is? Sounds like a bunch of drama to me.

  109. paulie

    There was a public call script. If people stuck to the script it was polite. But as everyone should know groups don’t exercise perfect discipline over their supporters.

  110. paulie

    Also, Reagan claims he did a public records search and found no evidence of threats. I don’t know if that would be in public records. I will have to check again but I thought he also said he talked to people at the PD.

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