Independent Political Report will liveblog the Free and Equal debate tonight between Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin

Tune in at 9 PM Eastern time (8 PM Central, 7 PM Mountain, 6 PM Pacific, 5 PM Alaska, 4 PM Hawai’i) in the comments on this post, and add your own.

IPR has previously covered the debate:

Cynthia McKinney and Bob Barr react to tonight’s Free and Equal debate between Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin

Internet Pettition to demand Bob Barr’s participation in debate is being circulated

Free and Equal debate picked up on C-SPAN for Live coverage

Green Party Presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney on NPR, Break the Matrix, Democracy Now!, OpEdNews, YouTube

Updates on the Free and Equal debate debate is on; Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin confirmed

Two Presidential candidates confirmed for debate in DC on Thursday, October 23

The moderator will be Chris Hedges from the Nation Institute. In addition to CSPAN, it will also be carried live on Restore the Republic Radio.

226 thoughts on “Independent Political Report will liveblog the Free and Equal debate tonight between Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin

  1. Hugh Jass

    Nobody posted about Ron Paul now being an official write-in candidate in the most populous state in the Union?

  2. paulie cannoli Post author

    @ TPW

    # Bill Lussenheide Says:
    October 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    I can assure you that Ron Paul IS NOT a write in candidate in California.

    I was involved in the process of getting Chuck Baldwin on the California certified write in list. The Secretary of State requires a declaration of candidacy SIGNED by the candidate, in addition to 55 notarized and jurated electoral college nominees. So unless Ron Paul signed a declaration, then he is not a write in candidate.

    The deadline for paperwork was October 21st.

  3. svf

    Anyone else planning to liveblog besides me?

    Grey’s Anatomy > Nader + Baldwin

    Sorry guys… maybe next time…

  4. paulie cannoli Post author

    To each their own. TV ain’t shit to me.

    On the rare occasion I am not either on the computer or outdoors, if I don’t need to use the bathroom or kitchen or bed, I flip through the video/music channels for a few minutes.

    Otherwise, fuggedaboutit.

  5. paulie cannoli Post author

    Mentions that the CP is 3rd in registrations, believes in the Constitution, and most of the country’s problems are because of the major parties ignoring the Constitution, the Bible, and their oath of office.

  6. Ross Levin

    That’s not entirely fair about Obama’s donations, Nader, because he’s raised so much money in general that that is unavoidable. And Nader, does that mean money from the companies themselves or money from their employees?

  7. paulie cannoli Post author

    Nader: Corporations are giving more money to Obama than McCain.

    Baldwin: Doesn’t matter which duopoly wing administers the same iniquities.

  8. Ross Levin

    I wish they would’ve given the candidates more time to question each other. There’s no reason to have the same format as the corporate debates.

  9. paulie cannoli Post author

    Nader: corporations are shipping our jobs to fascist dictatorships, bailout is removing market discipline from big businesses but not small business. Put in a transaction tax on stock trades.

  10. Jeremy Young

    Baldwin: “The free market always works, it always has and it always will” — yeah, right. Even in Roman days there was a free market. And the emperor was just sort of a…senior stockbroker.

  11. Ross Levin

    Haha, I didn’t see 70.

    Nader: Little difference between major candidates on Iraq, they’ll keep at least some bases there. 400 Arabs dead to one Israeli dead would be called anti-Semitism the other way around.

  12. Catholic Trotskyist

    For some eason, CSpan2 in my area is not covering it. Still, I am confident that with God’s help and blessing, Christian Revolutionary Colonel Chuck Baldwin is tuterly defeating and humiliating fascist/stalinist criminal Ralph Nader. I have also heard from inside sources at the Vatican that the pope is about to excommunicate Ralph Nader.

  13. Ross Levin

    Baldwin: We are globalising too much. We follow the UN too much.

    That’s not true. We break international treaties all the time, and it’s a big treaty. That is, the problem of the idea of “American exceptionalism.”

  14. paulie cannoli Post author

    Nader: Congress and judiciary are giving way to imperial presidency; international law is being ignored and violated. Obama is beligerent like McCain. US foreign policy is leading to blowback and terrorism; Iran war looming.

  15. Ross Levin

    Here’s what I think will be one of the true tests of Obama’s presidency: will be reduce the power of the presidency?

    If he gets rid of most/all of Bush’s advancement of presidential power, he will be a great man.

  16. paulie cannoli Post author

    Baldwin: Russia and China are threats; we should not be reducing the size of the military or getting bogged down in the mideast. A little Reagan worship thrown in. Opposes “Patriot Act” though.

  17. Catholic Trotskyist

    Christian Revolutionary Colonel Baldwin continues to make fantastic and earth-shattering points about such things as the wars, the Patriot Act, abortion, gay marriage and trade. While appealing to conservatives with his Christian governmentcontrol and anti-immigrant stance. Meanwhile, Nader is being utterly humiliated. Baldwin, Keep on stealing those Republican votes, sir. Victory for Obama, 12 days away! Amen.

  18. Jeremy Young

    Score one for Baldwin on “conservatives shouldn’t support the Patriot Act”. Almost makes up for his crazy conspiracy things about the Chinese navy in Panama. Not quite, though.

  19. Ross Levin

    Nader: We need national referenda!

    Glad he said it, even if he barely mentioned it. I’m so happy he endorsed the Ni4D and lists it on his website, but he doesn’t give it too much attention.

  20. Ross Levin

    Plus, it’s too bad only .001% of the people watching will realize what Nader said about national referenda. If you don’t stress that point, people don’t connect to it. I saw it with Gravel in the Dem debates.

  21. Jeremy Young

    Ross, Hedges’ head really IS that big.

    Okay, what’s the craziest answer of the night? Nader wanting to draft the President, or Baldwin wanting to defend Panama from the Chinese navy?

    Too bad we don’t have McKinney there, then we’d have some real crazies.

  22. Ross Levin

    Great question, Hedges. I’m glad you asked it.

    He asked about whether local third party politics is more effective.

    My answer to it would be that you need a combo of national and local, because national brings a lot more attention to it, but local gets more people elected. (I think local politics should be more important, though)

  23. paulie cannoli Post author

    Nader: Majority of voters want us in the debates with Republicans and Democrats. Mentions signature gathering and ballot access lawsuits. No Western country obstructs participation in elections this way; calls it Jim Crow discrimination.

  24. sunshinebatman

    And if Barr were there, he could have pointed out he was the guy who defeated them.

    Maybe next time.

    paulie cannoli // Oct 23, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Baldwin – provisions of post 9/11 legislation were proposed a decade earlier.

  25. paulie cannoli Post author

    Draws parallel between socializing market risk with the Wall Street bailout with socializing personal risk with national health care; recalls affordable fee for service health care.

  26. paulie cannoli Post author

    Nader: health care should be like police protection and fire protection because people die. Supports single payer, denies that it is socialized medicine.

  27. Ross Levin


    Baldwin: Let’s prosecute Wall Street fat cats, not give them money, and agree that some regulation is reasonable in many areas. We need accountability.

  28. paulie cannoli Post author

    Nader: stop supporting oligarchs who drive their people to flee; crack down on employers to reduce competition for American workers.

    Too bad McKinney is not there.

  29. Ross Levin

    Nader: What do you think about corporate personhood? I spoke with Scalia and he hasn’t thought about it. Do you think corporations should have equal rights as humans?

  30. Ross Levin

    Hedges: What about global warming?

    Good question, Hedges, this time. And short, to the point. It isn’t brought up in enough in ANY debates.

    Baldwin: I’m a conspiracy theorist. If I were alive in 1900 when global warming were just a little bud of a theory and opposed the mainstream, I would most likely support the idea. I don’t like science.

  31. paulie cannoli Post author

    Baldwin: opposed to corporate welfare, corporate politics; says bailout is an example of this.

    Agrees on corporate personhood. (P: Too bad this was taken out of LP platform. )

  32. paulie cannoli Post author

    Both Nader and Baldwin are correct about corporate personhood. Both are wrong about immigration, especially Baldwin. Baldwin is more correct on health care.

  33. paulie cannoli Post author

    Nader is pro-choice, draws parallel to alcohol prohibition. Opposes mandatory pregnancy as in Romania and mandatory abortion as in China. Points out he is the smaller government candidate on this issue.

  34. Jeremy Young

    I have to say, Baldwin impressed me. He’s evolved into an excellent debater — maybe because he accepted so many of those smaller debates with the Socialists.

  35. sunshinebatman

    re178 – Baldwin would be a stronger candidate with Romney as the nominee.

    re177 – I’m sure Hedges figures he’s just as important as these two guys, so why not be an ass? Same deal with Brokaw.

  36. Trent Hill

    BTW: I didnt mean that as a slight to Nader. He ALWAYS does well.

    But I thought Baldwin exceeded my expectations.

  37. paulie cannoli Post author

    I mean they both did well. Barr and McKinney blew it by not attending, especially McKinney who is further behind. Despite Hedges speechifying, I don’t think the debate was biased against Baldwin or in favor of Nader.

  38. Trent Hill

    Phillips has been getting alot of press recently. A positive reaction to his being one of the original people to encourage Ron Paul’s run.

  39. Trent Hill

    I would hesitate to declare a winner, because neither of them were ripping on each other–it was all aimed at the big fish, Obama and McCain–as it should be.

    Nader was great,but always is.
    Baldwin was great,and I dont think anyone expected that.

  40. paulie cannoli Post author

    I think Baldwin gained more, since he started out with less and as you said beat were basically low expectations. Kind of underscores why McKinney, especially, would have benefited by being there.

    I found that I agreed with both of them more than I agree with either McCain or Obama, although there were important policy differences I have with each – and on the issue of immigration freedom, I find myself on the opposite side from both of them.

  41. kalipay

    There were more Nader supporters in the audience, and no one was allowed to clap at all… The moderator only made up his statements that afternoon on his train ride down to DC, and they were all in handwritten notes (pages of them, as you call pointed out!). He actually, as he said, had a few of his “own” questions: I don’t think he ended up taking but one or two from the audience at all.

    Nader’s tie was crooked, Baldwin looked more professional.

    I found out that Nader is older than McCain.

  42. Ross Levin

    I’m not sure if I’m supposed to say this, but I might host a radio show for “Left of Liberty,” if that’s what it’s being called.

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