# Bill Lussenheide Says:
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
I can assure you that Ron Paul IS NOT a write in candidate in California.
I was involved in the process of getting Chuck Baldwin on the California certified write in list. The Secretary of State requires a declaration of candidacy SIGNED by the candidate, in addition to 55 notarized and jurated electoral college nominees. So unless Ron Paul signed a declaration, then he is not a write in candidate.
On the rare occasion I am not either on the computer or outdoors, if I don’t need to use the bathroom or kitchen or bed, I flip through the video/music channels for a few minutes.
Mentions that the CP is 3rd in registrations, believes in the Constitution, and most of the country’s problems are because of the major parties ignoring the Constitution, the Bible, and their oath of office.
That’s not entirely fair about Obama’s donations, Nader, because he’s raised so much money in general that that is unavoidable. And Nader, does that mean money from the companies themselves or money from their employees?
Nader: corporations are shipping our jobs to fascist dictatorships, bailout is removing market discipline from big businesses but not small business. Put in a transaction tax on stock trades.
Baldwin: “The free market always works, it always has and it always will” — yeah, right. Even in Roman days there was a free market. And the emperor was just sort of a…senior stockbroker.
Nader: Little difference between major candidates on Iraq, they’ll keep at least some bases there. 400 Arabs dead to one Israeli dead would be called anti-Semitism the other way around.
Catholic Trotskyist
For some eason, CSpan2 in my area is not covering it. Still, I am confident that with God’s help and blessing, Christian Revolutionary Colonel Chuck Baldwin is tuterly defeating and humiliating fascist/stalinist criminal Ralph Nader. I have also heard from inside sources at the Vatican that the pope is about to excommunicate Ralph Nader.
Nader: Congress and judiciary are giving way to imperial presidency; international law is being ignored and violated. Obama is beligerent like McCain. US foreign policy is leading to blowback and terrorism; Iran war looming.
Baldwin: Russia and China are threats; we should not be reducing the size of the military or getting bogged down in the mideast. A little Reagan worship thrown in. Opposes “Patriot Act” though.
Christian Revolutionary Colonel Baldwin continues to make fantastic and earth-shattering points about such things as the wars, the Patriot Act, abortion, gay marriage and trade. While appealing to conservatives with his Christian governmentcontrol and anti-immigrant stance. Meanwhile, Nader is being utterly humiliated. Baldwin, Keep on stealing those Republican votes, sir. Victory for Obama, 12 days away! Amen.
Score one for Baldwin on “conservatives shouldn’t support the Patriot Act”. Almost makes up for his crazy conspiracy things about the Chinese navy in Panama. Not quite, though.
Glad he said it, even if he barely mentioned it. I’m so happy he endorsed the Ni4D and lists it on his website, but he doesn’t give it too much attention.
Plus, it’s too bad only .001% of the people watching will realize what Nader said about national referenda. If you don’t stress that point, people don’t connect to it. I saw it with Gravel in the Dem debates.
He asked about whether local third party politics is more effective.
My answer to it would be that you need a combo of national and local, because national brings a lot more attention to it, but local gets more people elected. (I think local politics should be more important, though)
Nader: Majority of voters want us in the debates with Republicans and Democrats. Mentions signature gathering and ballot access lawsuits. No Western country obstructs participation in elections this way; calls it Jim Crow discrimination.
Draws parallel between socializing market risk with the Wall Street bailout with socializing personal risk with national health care; recalls affordable fee for service health care.
Nader: health care should be like police protection and fire protection because people die. Supports single payer, denies that it is socialized medicine.
Baldwin: Let’s prosecute Wall Street fat cats, not give them money, and agree that some regulation is reasonable in many areas. We need accountability.
Nader: What do you think about corporate personhood? I spoke with Scalia and he hasn’t thought about it. Do you think corporations should have equal rights as humans?
Good question, Hedges, this time. And short, to the point. It isn’t brought up in enough in ANY debates.
Baldwin: I’m a conspiracy theorist. If I were alive in 1900 when global warming were just a little bud of a theory and opposed the mainstream, I would most likely support the idea. I don’t like science.
Both Nader and Baldwin are correct about corporate personhood. Both are wrong about immigration, especially Baldwin. Baldwin is more correct on health care.
Nader is pro-choice, draws parallel to alcohol prohibition. Opposes mandatory pregnancy as in Romania and mandatory abortion as in China. Points out he is the smaller government candidate on this issue.
I have to say, Baldwin impressed me. He’s evolved into an excellent debater — maybe because he accepted so many of those smaller debates with the Socialists.
I mean they both did well. Barr and McKinney blew it by not attending, especially McKinney who is further behind. Despite Hedges speechifying, I don’t think the debate was biased against Baldwin or in favor of Nader.
Baldwin leads with 75% to 24% as the winner of the debate now. What do people here think?
Someone’s gotta have an opinion.
Don’t all jump in at once, LOL..
Trent Hill
I would hesitate to declare a winner, because neither of them were ripping on each other–it was all aimed at the big fish, Obama and McCain–as it should be.
Nader was great,but always is.
Baldwin was great,and I dont think anyone expected that.
I think Baldwin gained more, since he started out with less and as you said beat were basically low expectations. Kind of underscores why McKinney, especially, would have benefited by being there.
I found that I agreed with both of them more than I agree with either McCain or Obama, although there were important policy differences I have with each – and on the issue of immigration freedom, I find myself on the opposite side from both of them.
There were more Nader supporters in the audience, and no one was allowed to clap at all… The moderator only made up his statements that afternoon on his train ride down to DC, and they were all in handwritten notes (pages of them, as you call pointed out!). He actually, as he said, had a few of his “own” questions: I don’t think he ended up taking but one or two from the audience at all.
Nader’s tie was crooked, Baldwin looked more professional.
Nobody posted about Ron Paul now being an official write-in candidate in the most populous state in the Union?
Im getting to it.
Do you have confirmation on that?
It was on DailyPaul and LRC.
Are we talking about California?
@ TPW
# Bill Lussenheide Says:
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
I can assure you that Ron Paul IS NOT a write in candidate in California.
I was involved in the process of getting Chuck Baldwin on the California certified write in list. The Secretary of State requires a declaration of candidacy SIGNED by the candidate, in addition to 55 notarized and jurated electoral college nominees. So unless Ron Paul signed a declaration, then he is not a write in candidate.
The deadline for paperwork was October 21st.
I’m skeptical of the CA write-in story. Paul would’ve had to fill out and sign this form: http://www.frankmooreforpresident08.com/forms/california_statement_write-in_2008.pdf
Video of debate will be at theywillbeheard.com
RTR Radio will have Baldwin and hopefully Nader for post-debate interviews
Anyone else planning to liveblog besides me?
Cynthia McKinney addressed her decision to not participate in this debate, and Ron Hardy wrote it up at Green Party Watch.
I copied that in two of the posts linked in here
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/cynthia-mckinney-and-bob-barr-react-to-tonights-free-and-equal-debate-between-ralph-nader-and-chuck-baldwin/
and
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/green-party-presidential-candidate-cynthia-mckinney-on-npr-break-the-matrix-democracy-now-opednews-youtube/
Seems dumb. McKinney is completely opposed to participating in media…
Not completely. See the second link in my last comment.
Anyone else planning to liveblog besides me?
Grey’s Anatomy > Nader + Baldwin
Sorry guys… maybe next time…
Um no. Grey’s AnatonyEither Grey’s Anatomy or Nader+Baldwin.
To each their own. TV ain’t shit to me.
On the rare occasion I am not either on the computer or outdoors, if I don’t need to use the bathroom or kitchen or bed, I flip through the video/music channels for a few minutes.
Otherwise, fuggedaboutit.
I watch basically one show per night.
live chat
http://www.rtrradio.com/chat.aspx
About 80 people in audience
http://theywillbeheard.com/
Debate rules being explained
Chuck Baldwin intro
Mentions that the CP is 3rd in registrations, believes in the Constitution, and most of the country’s problems are because of the major parties ignoring the Constitution, the Bible, and their oath of office.
CB: 100% pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro 2nd Amendment, anti immigration, declared wars only, state sovereignty
Let’s start a post that we continually update instead of doing it in the comments.
Tried that before at LFV, did not work as well.
Nader: rule by the people not the corporations, living wage, national health care
First question: Zinn and Chomsky will vote for Obama, even though they have been very critical of major parties. Discuss.
Nader: that allows the least worst to ignore them and compromise with the worst instead.
Nader: Especially easy to vote for him in non-swing states.
Baldwin: Don’t waste your vote, don’t vote McCain. McCain can’t win, don’t compromise your principles.
Baldwin: A wasted vote is one for someone who does not have the same values you do.
Should I start a new post?
No, here is good./
Baldwin:
McCain 2008=Bob Dole 1996
I’m watching the debate with Nader people. Good times.
Nader: Third parties put issues on the table first.
Tell us what they say, Jeremy!
Hedges: What about pragmatism?
Nader: Debate commission is a private company. Alternative candidates excluded from polls.
Baldwin: Republicans were a minor party in 1860.
Excellent point by Baldwin about the multi-party system in Iraq. If it’s good enough for them, why isn’t it good enough for us?
That’s not entirely fair about Obama’s donations, Nader, because he’s raised so much money in general that that is unavoidable. And Nader, does that mean money from the companies themselves or money from their employees?
Baldwin: 80% of Michigan voters willing to consider a third party
They’re Arabs. According to McCain that makes them bad people.
Hedges: What about the bailout?
Nader: Democratic party ignores its base constituencies – both parties are getting worse every time, more controlled by corporations.
In case you don’t know, this is live on CSpan 2 right now.
Baldwin: it’s like a choice between Nero and Caligula
Hedges shouldn’t talk more than the candidates do. The Nader people here agree with me.
Nader: Corporations are giving more money to Obama than McCain.
Baldwin: Doesn’t matter which duopoly wing administers the same iniquities.
I wish they would’ve given the candidates more time to question each other. There’s no reason to have the same format as the corporate debates.
Baldwin: Toss out congressmen who voted for the bailout, and the federal reserve while we’re at it.
Baldwin: Ron Paul endorsed me.
Stop leading them on, Hedges.
Nader: bailout is the collapse of corporate capitalist ideology.
Baldwin is an excellent debater.
Nader: corporations are shipping our jobs to fascist dictatorships, bailout is removing market discipline from big businesses but not small business. Put in a transaction tax on stock trades.
Baldwin: fiat money is fraudulent. We are the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world, debt growing with no end in sight.
Baldwin: “The free market always works, it always has and it always will” — yeah, right. Even in Roman days there was a free market. And the emperor was just sort of a…senior stockbroker.
Baldwin: Appoint Ron Paul or someone like him Secretary of the Treasury, bring back sound money, repeal Fed, IRS and income tax.
Nader supporter next to me: “I don’t think there’s ever been a free market.”
Nader: Re-regulation
Jeremy Young #63: Precisely the problem
Nader: criminal prosecutions of Wall Street crooks.
Q: War on Terror
Hedges: reading a term paper about American foreign policy.
Damn these questions are long
Is Hedges running for President?
I didn’t realize Hedges was a candidate.
Nader: Obama will be like another Bush term, no different from McCain and Bush on middle east issues.
Haha, I didn’t see 70.
Nader: Little difference between major candidates on Iraq, they’ll keep at least some bases there. 400 Arabs dead to one Israeli dead would be called anti-Semitism the other way around.
For some eason, CSpan2 in my area is not covering it. Still, I am confident that with God’s help and blessing, Christian Revolutionary Colonel Chuck Baldwin is tuterly defeating and humiliating fascist/stalinist criminal Ralph Nader. I have also heard from inside sources at the Vatican that the pope is about to excommunicate Ralph Nader.
Haha, I didn’t see 70.
We’ll have duplication aplenty. All good.
Baldwin: No foreign aid.
To absolutely cut it off would be a scary thing.
Nader: AIPAC has too much influence. He supports two state solution for Israel-Palestine.
Baldwin: We are globalising too much. We follow the UN too much.
That’s not true. We break international treaties all the time, and it’s a big treaty. That is, the problem of the idea of “American exceptionalism.”
#77 – So do Obama and McCain and Bush. Ah!
Baldwin: The real battle is between new world order globalists and constitutionalists; mentions immigration, foreign aid.
Catholic Trotskyist, can’t you watch it on c-span.org?
Pre-emptive war
Nader: It violates international treaties and the Constitution. Congress is abrogating its responsibility.
Nader: Surge in Afghanistan would be like “fire on gasoline,” could destabilize Pakistan.
Baldwin: Only Congress can declare war. We must follow Constitution. I like Ron Paul.
Nader: Congress and judiciary are giving way to imperial presidency; international law is being ignored and violated. Obama is beligerent like McCain. US foreign policy is leading to blowback and terrorism; Iran war looming.
Nader: “I’m Eugene Debs!”
Baldwin: “I’m Ron Paul!”
Nader: remove military contractors.
Here’s what I think will be one of the true tests of Obama’s presidency: will be reduce the power of the presidency?
If he gets rid of most/all of Bush’s advancement of presidential power, he will be a great man.
Baldwin: Marquee and reprisal, Ron Paul, Thomas Jefferson…
Baldwin: we need more ships in our navy so we can keep China out of the Panama Canal.
WHAT???
Baldwin: Russia and China are threats; we should not be reducing the size of the military or getting bogged down in the mideast. A little Reagan worship thrown in. Opposes “Patriot Act” though.
Hedges mentions police horse trampling Iraq vet against war, asks about signing statements, habeas corpus suspension
Baldwin: I’m a REAL conservative.
….Democrats in Congress went along….
Christian Revolutionary Colonel Baldwin continues to make fantastic and earth-shattering points about such things as the wars, the Patriot Act, abortion, gay marriage and trade. While appealing to conservatives with his Christian governmentcontrol and anti-immigrant stance. Meanwhile, Nader is being utterly humiliated. Baldwin, Keep on stealing those Republican votes, sir. Victory for Obama, 12 days away! Amen.
Score one for Baldwin on “conservatives shouldn’t support the Patriot Act”. Almost makes up for his crazy conspiracy things about the Chinese navy in Panama. Not quite, though.
(Feed cut out, missed Baldwin’s answer)
Nader: We need national referenda!
Glad he said it, even if he barely mentioned it. I’m so happy he endorsed the Ni4D and lists it on his website, but he doesn’t give it too much attention.
Nader: put impeachment back on the table; allow citizens to sue politicians and bureaucrats. Endorses National Initiative.
I’m watching it on a TV so big Chris Hedges’ forehead is at least 18 square feet.
Nader: draft children of Congressmen.
Note to Nader: when Chuck Baldwin laughs at you, something’s wrong. Because Chuck Baldwin’s crazy.
Plus, it’s too bad only .001% of the people watching will realize what Nader said about national referenda. If you don’t stress that point, people don’t connect to it. I saw it with Gravel in the Dem debates.
103 – maybe that actually means Nader’s the sane one.
Baldwin: we are edging closer to a police state, and does not believe it is accidental.
Ross, Hedges’ head really IS that big.
Okay, what’s the craziest answer of the night? Nader wanting to draft the President, or Baldwin wanting to defend Panama from the Chinese navy?
Too bad we don’t have McKinney there, then we’d have some real crazies.
Baldwin – provisions of post 9/11 legislation were proposed a decade earlier.
Yeah, good on Nader for talking about binding national referenda. (Even though I don’t support the NI4D.)
Draft the president? I must not have been paying attention at that part. What did he say?
Halliburton’s stock has more than doubled since the start of the Iraq war.
It’s sick.
I’d say I support direct democracy in general more than I just support the Ni4D.
Nader: Force fields? Whaa?
Great question, Hedges. I’m glad you asked it.
He asked about whether local third party politics is more effective.
My answer to it would be that you need a combo of national and local, because national brings a lot more attention to it, but local gets more people elected. (I think local politics should be more important, though)
#112 — with you on that one.
#110 — wasn’t that what he said? Draft the President and Congress every time you go to war?
Q: Progressive Party of Vermont
Q. Aren’t you guys stupid?
Nader: Possible to knock on all the doors in Vermont, not NYC or nationwide.
115 – I trust you. I’ve only been paying half attention.
Baldwin: We don’t get enough credit.
aka “Gimme a friggin break”
Nader: Obama raises more money every day than we do for the whole campaign, so send me money.
Baldwin: we need a 6-candidate debate.
Nader: Majority of voters want us in the debates with Republicans and Democrats. Mentions signature gathering and ballot access lawsuits. No Western country obstructs participation in elections this way; calls it Jim Crow discrimination.
Nader: Only one candidate in many districts.
Baldwin: major media have become lapdogs of the major parties.
Baldwin: Candidates like Ron Paul and Kucinich ignored and mistreated by their parties and the media.
Nader: Jim Crow for candidates = Jim Crow for voters (no offense Cynthia).
And if Barr were there, he could have pointed out he was the guy who defeated them.
Maybe next time.
paulie cannoli // Oct 23, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Baldwin – provisions of post 9/11 legislation were proposed a decade earlier.
$708,000 is chump change for Obama.
Last question, health care
Last question, have you fallen asleep during this question?
Hedges: Maybe I’ll leave you guys a few seconds to answer me.
CSpan is saying you can call in. I’m calling in and asking about the Ni4D.
What’s the phone number?
Hedges: Maybe I’ll leave you guys a few seconds to answer me.
…I said maybe!@
Maybe, maybe not….
Hedges is going for a new Guinness record with this “question”
Baldwin: No more socialism in health care. Government just makes bad problems worse.
Baldwin: If you believe in Jesus, your problems will go away.
(He didn’t really say that)
Draws parallel between socializing market risk with the Wall Street bailout with socializing personal risk with national health care; recalls affordable fee for service health care.
Does anyone see a phone number to call?
Baldwin: It’s not moral to cut welfare programs right away.
Good for him. I’ve been waiting to hear that.
Nader: health care should be like police protection and fire protection because people die. Supports single payer, denies that it is socialized medicine.
Nader rocks on single payer.
“Does anyone see a phone number to call?”
They generally don’t show the phone numbers until it’s actually time to call.
Thanks.
Baldwin: Let’s prosecute Wall Street fat cats, not give them money, and agree that some regulation is reasonable in many areas. We need accountability.
I’m glad they’re not taking shots at each other.
Hedges: My question was not long enough to begin with. I think I’ll chime in with long followups, too.
Baldwin: Wall street banksters should go to prison.
Chuck, you contradict yourself. How do you have regulation and an unfettered free market?
Baldwin to Nader: what will you do to secure the borders?
Nader: $10 min wage the same as 1968 min wage.
Good question by Baldwin, highlights a real difference.
It’s also a strong point for Baldwin. Something he likes to stress.
Nader: stop supporting oligarchs who drive their people to flee; crack down on employers to reduce competition for American workers.
Too bad McKinney is not there.
Baldwin quotes Reagan; a nation without borders is not a nation (P: I WISH!); calls immigration an invasion.
Nader: What do you think about corporate personhood? I spoke with Scalia and he hasn’t thought about it. Do you think corporations should have equal rights as humans?
Good question, Nader. Good job bringing up corporate personhood.
Baldwin, I’m sorry, you can’t be anti-corporate and pro-free-market.
Good question, Nader. Good job bringing up corporate personhood.
+1
Baldwin: No to corporations.
Nader: This should be an important issue.
Hedges: What about global warming?
Good question, Hedges, this time. And short, to the point. It isn’t brought up in enough in ANY debates.
Baldwin: I’m a conspiracy theorist. If I were alive in 1900 when global warming were just a little bud of a theory and opposed the mainstream, I would most likely support the idea. I don’t like science.
Baldwin: opposed to corporate welfare, corporate politics; says bailout is an example of this.
Agrees on corporate personhood. (P: Too bad this was taken out of LP platform. )
It’s amazing how right Baldwin is on so many issues given that he’s a crazy loon.
Baldwin thinks there may be global cooling, not warming. Warming skeptic.
Nader is a warming believer.
Nader has consistently impressed me with his extensive knowledge of the environment, the movement, and the solutions.
Both Nader and Baldwin are correct about corporate personhood. Both are wrong about immigration, especially Baldwin. Baldwin is more correct on health care.
Nader: What happened to stopping government coercion? BAM!
Nader believes in government sponsorship for alternative energy.
Hedges is going on at length about abortion.
Apparently Hedges doesn’t like abortion.
Baldwin: no legal abortion, period. Republicans have not stopped it despite their promises.
Jeremy, these are questions from the audience. I was about to say the same thing, though.
Nader is pro-choice, draws parallel to alcohol prohibition. Opposes mandatory pregnancy as in Romania and mandatory abortion as in China. Points out he is the smaller government candidate on this issue.
Q: Separation of church and state
Ross, it sounded to me like Hedges added his personal opinion before actually reading the question.
Baldwin: we should have religious freedom for Christians, even Mormons.
Baldwin, you needed to denounce your party’s platform if you want to claim to be an advocate of religious freedom.
Nader: Separate church and state, corporation and state. Wall of separation being blurred by faith based initiatives.
I have to say, Baldwin impressed me. He’s evolved into an excellent debater — maybe because he accepted so many of those smaller debates with the Socialists.
Baldwin also opposes faith based initiatives.
Not in his views, of course.
re178 – Baldwin would be a stronger candidate with Romney as the nominee.
re177 – I’m sure Hedges figures he’s just as important as these two guys, so why not be an ass? Same deal with Brokaw.
Paulie, which means Baldwin is more secular than Obama.
Nader mentions he has campaigned in 50 states. Wants to stave off depression through public works programs.
I wonder how many people watched this.
Okay, I’m turning in for the night. Thanks guys!
Nader: tax wall street transactions, carbon tax, sin taxes;
See ya. Thanks for joining us here.
Nader: repeal Taft-Hartley labor law.
Paulie, which means Baldwin is more secular than Obama.
In some ways, yes…
Baldwin: securing borders is priority #1. No foreign aid, no NAFTA, bring back jobs through protectionism, no world policeman role for US.
Mingling.
Continued mingling.
The phones at CSpan seem to be off the hook.
The end.
Nevada caller: I support Barr. I want to know about veterans.
Roundtable now at
http://www.rtrradio.com/
Anyone know if there is a transcript?
RTR radio agrees with us, Hedges talked too damn much
Cynthia McKinney explains away the debate in a conspiracy theory.
i can’t get it to load.
New RTR radio channel will be called Left of Liberty
Baldwin was impressive in this,anyone else think so?
BTW: I didnt mean that as a slight to Nader. He ALWAYS does well.
But I thought Baldwin exceeded my expectations.
Yes. I thought Nader did well too.
I mean they both did well. Barr and McKinney blew it by not attending, especially McKinney who is further behind. Despite Hedges speechifying, I don’t think the debate was biased against Baldwin or in favor of Nader.
New IPR post comment record
🙂
RTR radio is interviewing Howard Phillips
Phillips has been getting alot of press recently. A positive reaction to his being one of the original people to encourage Ron Paul’s run.
Christina Tobin is supposed to be on RTR Radio soon.
RTR has a poll
http://www.rtrradio.com/
Baldwin leads with 75% to 24% as the winner of the debate now. What do people here think?
She is on now.
Tobin said she is running Free and Equal by herself.
Baldwin is on RTR now.
I did my best “for the people.”
Darrell Castle is on with the Ron Paul Twins, now the Chuck Baldwin twins. The audio is cutting in and out.
RTR has a poll
http://www.rtrradio.com/
Baldwin leads with 75% to 24% as the winner of the debate now. What do people here think?
Someone’s gotta have an opinion.
Don’t all jump in at once, LOL..
I would hesitate to declare a winner, because neither of them were ripping on each other–it was all aimed at the big fish, Obama and McCain–as it should be.
Nader was great,but always is.
Baldwin was great,and I dont think anyone expected that.
I think Baldwin gained more, since he started out with less and as you said beat were basically low expectations. Kind of underscores why McKinney, especially, would have benefited by being there.
I found that I agreed with both of them more than I agree with either McCain or Obama, although there were important policy differences I have with each – and on the issue of immigration freedom, I find myself on the opposite side from both of them.
For those who missed it
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=281952-1&clipStart=&clipStop=
http://libertymaven.com/2008/10/15/liberty-maven-live-blogging-final-presidential-debate-tonight-with-or-without-ron-paul/2553/
There were more Nader supporters in the audience, and no one was allowed to clap at all… The moderator only made up his statements that afternoon on his train ride down to DC, and they were all in handwritten notes (pages of them, as you call pointed out!). He actually, as he said, had a few of his “own” questions: I don’t think he ended up taking but one or two from the audience at all.
Nader’s tie was crooked, Baldwin looked more professional.
I found out that Nader is older than McCain.
Nader is older than dirt. But he’s young at heart.
Video of the debate
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/video-of-last-nights-presidential-debate-between-ralph-nader-and-chuck-baldwin/
I’m not sure if I’m supposed to say this, but I might host a radio show for “Left of Liberty,” if that’s what it’s being called.
Dave Weigel writes it up in the Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081110/weigel