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Independent Political Report will liveblog the Free and Equal debate tonight between Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin

Tune in at 9 PM Eastern time (8 PM Central, 7 PM Mountain, 6 PM Pacific, 5 PM Alaska, 4 PM Hawai’i) in the comments on this post, and add your own.

IPR has previously covered the debate:

Cynthia McKinney and Bob Barr react to tonight’s Free and Equal debate between Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin

Internet Pettition to demand Bob Barr’s participation in debate is being circulated

Free and Equal debate picked up on C-SPAN for Live coverage

Green Party Presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney on NPR, Break the Matrix, Democracy Now!, OpEdNews, YouTube

Updates on the Free and Equal debate

Freeandequal.org debate is on; Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin confirmed

Two Presidential candidates confirmed for debate in DC on Thursday, October 23

The moderator will be Chris Hedges from the Nation Institute. In addition to CSPAN, it will also be carried live on Restore the Republic Radio.

226 Comments

  1. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 24, 2008

    I’m not sure if I’m supposed to say this, but I might host a radio show for “Left of Liberty,” if that’s what it’s being called.

  2. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 24, 2008

    Nader is older than dirt. But he’s young at heart.

  3. kalipay kalipay October 24, 2008

    There were more Nader supporters in the audience, and no one was allowed to clap at all… The moderator only made up his statements that afternoon on his train ride down to DC, and they were all in handwritten notes (pages of them, as you call pointed out!). He actually, as he said, had a few of his “own” questions: I don’t think he ended up taking but one or two from the audience at all.

    Nader’s tie was crooked, Baldwin looked more professional.

    I found out that Nader is older than McCain.

  4. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 24, 2008

    I think Baldwin gained more, since he started out with less and as you said beat were basically low expectations. Kind of underscores why McKinney, especially, would have benefited by being there.

    I found that I agreed with both of them more than I agree with either McCain or Obama, although there were important policy differences I have with each – and on the issue of immigration freedom, I find myself on the opposite side from both of them.

  5. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 24, 2008

    I would hesitate to declare a winner, because neither of them were ripping on each other–it was all aimed at the big fish, Obama and McCain–as it should be.

    Nader was great,but always is.
    Baldwin was great,and I dont think anyone expected that.

  6. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 24, 2008

    RTR has a poll

    http://www.rtrradio.com/

    Baldwin leads with 75% to 24% as the winner of the debate now. What do people here think?

    Someone’s gotta have an opinion.

    Don’t all jump in at once, LOL..

  7. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Darrell Castle is on with the Ron Paul Twins, now the Chuck Baldwin twins. The audio is cutting in and out.

  8. christinamtobin christinamtobin October 23, 2008

    I did my best “for the people.”

  9. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Tobin said she is running Free and Equal by herself.

    Baldwin is on RTR now.

  10. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Christina Tobin is supposed to be on RTR Radio soon.

  11. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 23, 2008

    Phillips has been getting alot of press recently. A positive reaction to his being one of the original people to encourage Ron Paul’s run.

  12. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    RTR radio is interviewing Howard Phillips

  13. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    New IPR post comment record

    🙂

  14. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    I mean they both did well. Barr and McKinney blew it by not attending, especially McKinney who is further behind. Despite Hedges speechifying, I don’t think the debate was biased against Baldwin or in favor of Nader.

  15. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Yes. I thought Nader did well too.

  16. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 23, 2008

    BTW: I didnt mean that as a slight to Nader. He ALWAYS does well.

    But I thought Baldwin exceeded my expectations.

  17. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 23, 2008

    Baldwin was impressive in this,anyone else think so?

  18. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    New RTR radio channel will be called Left of Liberty

  19. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    i can’t get it to load.

  20. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Cynthia McKinney explains away the debate in a conspiracy theory.

  21. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    RTR radio agrees with us, Hedges talked too damn much

  22. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Anyone know if there is a transcript?

  23. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nevada caller: I support Barr. I want to know about veterans.

  24. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Continued mingling.

    The phones at CSpan seem to be off the hook.

  25. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: securing borders is priority #1. No foreign aid, no NAFTA, bring back jobs through protectionism, no world policeman role for US.

  26. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Paulie, which means Baldwin is more secular than Obama.

    In some ways, yes…

  27. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: repeal Taft-Hartley labor law.

  28. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    See ya. Thanks for joining us here.

  29. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: tax wall street transactions, carbon tax, sin taxes;

  30. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Okay, I’m turning in for the night. Thanks guys!

  31. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    I wonder how many people watched this.

  32. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader mentions he has campaigned in 50 states. Wants to stave off depression through public works programs.

  33. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Paulie, which means Baldwin is more secular than Obama.

  34. sunshinebatman sunshinebatman October 23, 2008

    re178 – Baldwin would be a stronger candidate with Romney as the nominee.

    re177 – I’m sure Hedges figures he’s just as important as these two guys, so why not be an ass? Same deal with Brokaw.

  35. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Not in his views, of course.

  36. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin also opposes faith based initiatives.

  37. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    I have to say, Baldwin impressed me. He’s evolved into an excellent debater — maybe because he accepted so many of those smaller debates with the Socialists.

  38. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Separate church and state, corporation and state. Wall of separation being blurred by faith based initiatives.

  39. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Baldwin, you needed to denounce your party’s platform if you want to claim to be an advocate of religious freedom.

  40. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: we should have religious freedom for Christians, even Mormons.

  41. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Ross, it sounded to me like Hedges added his personal opinion before actually reading the question.

  42. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Q: Separation of church and state

  43. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader is pro-choice, draws parallel to alcohol prohibition. Opposes mandatory pregnancy as in Romania and mandatory abortion as in China. Points out he is the smaller government candidate on this issue.

  44. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Jeremy, these are questions from the audience. I was about to say the same thing, though.

  45. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: no legal abortion, period. Republicans have not stopped it despite their promises.

  46. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Apparently Hedges doesn’t like abortion.

  47. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader believes in government sponsorship for alternative energy.

    Hedges is going on at length about abortion.

  48. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nader: What happened to stopping government coercion? BAM!

  49. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Both Nader and Baldwin are correct about corporate personhood. Both are wrong about immigration, especially Baldwin. Baldwin is more correct on health care.

  50. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nader has consistently impressed me with his extensive knowledge of the environment, the movement, and the solutions.

  51. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin thinks there may be global cooling, not warming. Warming skeptic.

    Nader is a warming believer.

  52. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    It’s amazing how right Baldwin is on so many issues given that he’s a crazy loon.

  53. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: opposed to corporate welfare, corporate politics; says bailout is an example of this.

    Agrees on corporate personhood. (P: Too bad this was taken out of LP platform. )

  54. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Hedges: What about global warming?

    Good question, Hedges, this time. And short, to the point. It isn’t brought up in enough in ANY debates.

    Baldwin: I’m a conspiracy theorist. If I were alive in 1900 when global warming were just a little bud of a theory and opposed the mainstream, I would most likely support the idea. I don’t like science.

  55. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: No to corporations.

    Nader: This should be an important issue.

  56. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Good question, Nader. Good job bringing up corporate personhood.

    +1

  57. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Baldwin, I’m sorry, you can’t be anti-corporate and pro-free-market.

  58. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Good question, Nader. Good job bringing up corporate personhood.

  59. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nader: What do you think about corporate personhood? I spoke with Scalia and he hasn’t thought about it. Do you think corporations should have equal rights as humans?

  60. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin quotes Reagan; a nation without borders is not a nation (P: I WISH!); calls immigration an invasion.

  61. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: stop supporting oligarchs who drive their people to flee; crack down on employers to reduce competition for American workers.

    Too bad McKinney is not there.

  62. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    It’s also a strong point for Baldwin. Something he likes to stress.

  63. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Good question by Baldwin, highlights a real difference.

  64. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nader: $10 min wage the same as 1968 min wage.

  65. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin to Nader: what will you do to secure the borders?

  66. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Chuck, you contradict yourself. How do you have regulation and an unfettered free market?

  67. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Wall street banksters should go to prison.

  68. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Hedges: My question was not long enough to begin with. I think I’ll chime in with long followups, too.

  69. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    I’m glad they’re not taking shots at each other.

  70. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Thanks.

    Baldwin: Let’s prosecute Wall Street fat cats, not give them money, and agree that some regulation is reasonable in many areas. We need accountability.

  71. Morgan Wick Morgan Wick October 23, 2008

    “Does anyone see a phone number to call?”

    They generally don’t show the phone numbers until it’s actually time to call.

  72. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Nader rocks on single payer.

  73. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: health care should be like police protection and fire protection because people die. Supports single payer, denies that it is socialized medicine.

  74. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: It’s not moral to cut welfare programs right away.

    Good for him. I’ve been waiting to hear that.

  75. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Does anyone see a phone number to call?

  76. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Draws parallel between socializing market risk with the Wall Street bailout with socializing personal risk with national health care; recalls affordable fee for service health care.

  77. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    (He didn’t really say that)

  78. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: If you believe in Jesus, your problems will go away.

  79. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: No more socialism in health care. Government just makes bad problems worse.

  80. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Hedges is going for a new Guinness record with this “question”

  81. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Hedges: Maybe I’ll leave you guys a few seconds to answer me.

    …I said maybe!@

  82. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    What’s the phone number?

  83. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    CSpan is saying you can call in. I’m calling in and asking about the Ni4D.

  84. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Hedges: Maybe I’ll leave you guys a few seconds to answer me.

  85. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Last question, have you fallen asleep during this question?

  86. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Last question, health care

  87. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    $708,000 is chump change for Obama.

  88. sunshinebatman sunshinebatman October 23, 2008

    And if Barr were there, he could have pointed out he was the guy who defeated them.

    Maybe next time.

    paulie cannoli // Oct 23, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Baldwin – provisions of post 9/11 legislation were proposed a decade earlier.

  89. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nader: Jim Crow for candidates = Jim Crow for voters (no offense Cynthia).

  90. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Candidates like Ron Paul and Kucinich ignored and mistreated by their parties and the media.

  91. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: major media have become lapdogs of the major parties.

  92. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Only one candidate in many districts.

  93. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Majority of voters want us in the debates with Republicans and Democrats. Mentions signature gathering and ballot access lawsuits. No Western country obstructs participation in elections this way; calls it Jim Crow discrimination.

  94. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: we need a 6-candidate debate.

  95. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Obama raises more money every day than we do for the whole campaign, so send me money.

  96. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    aka “Gimme a friggin break”

  97. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: We don’t get enough credit.

  98. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    115 – I trust you. I’ve only been paying half attention.

  99. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Possible to knock on all the doors in Vermont, not NYC or nationwide.

  100. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Q. Aren’t you guys stupid?

  101. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Q: Progressive Party of Vermont

  102. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    #112 — with you on that one.

    #110 — wasn’t that what he said? Draft the President and Congress every time you go to war?

  103. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Great question, Hedges. I’m glad you asked it.

    He asked about whether local third party politics is more effective.

    My answer to it would be that you need a combo of national and local, because national brings a lot more attention to it, but local gets more people elected. (I think local politics should be more important, though)

  104. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    I’d say I support direct democracy in general more than I just support the Ni4D.

  105. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Halliburton’s stock has more than doubled since the start of the Iraq war.

    It’s sick.

  106. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Draft the president? I must not have been paying attention at that part. What did he say?

  107. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Yeah, good on Nader for talking about binding national referenda. (Even though I don’t support the NI4D.)

  108. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin – provisions of post 9/11 legislation were proposed a decade earlier.

  109. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Ross, Hedges’ head really IS that big.

    Okay, what’s the craziest answer of the night? Nader wanting to draft the President, or Baldwin wanting to defend Panama from the Chinese navy?

    Too bad we don’t have McKinney there, then we’d have some real crazies.

  110. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: we are edging closer to a police state, and does not believe it is accidental.

  111. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    103 – maybe that actually means Nader’s the sane one.

  112. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Plus, it’s too bad only .001% of the people watching will realize what Nader said about national referenda. If you don’t stress that point, people don’t connect to it. I saw it with Gravel in the Dem debates.

  113. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Note to Nader: when Chuck Baldwin laughs at you, something’s wrong. Because Chuck Baldwin’s crazy.

  114. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: draft children of Congressmen.

  115. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    I’m watching it on a TV so big Chris Hedges’ forehead is at least 18 square feet.

  116. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: put impeachment back on the table; allow citizens to sue politicians and bureaucrats. Endorses National Initiative.

  117. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nader: We need national referenda!

    Glad he said it, even if he barely mentioned it. I’m so happy he endorsed the Ni4D and lists it on his website, but he doesn’t give it too much attention.

  118. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    (Feed cut out, missed Baldwin’s answer)

  119. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Score one for Baldwin on “conservatives shouldn’t support the Patriot Act”. Almost makes up for his crazy conspiracy things about the Chinese navy in Panama. Not quite, though.

  120. Catholic Trotskyist Catholic Trotskyist October 23, 2008

    Christian Revolutionary Colonel Baldwin continues to make fantastic and earth-shattering points about such things as the wars, the Patriot Act, abortion, gay marriage and trade. While appealing to conservatives with his Christian governmentcontrol and anti-immigrant stance. Meanwhile, Nader is being utterly humiliated. Baldwin, Keep on stealing those Republican votes, sir. Victory for Obama, 12 days away! Amen.

  121. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    ….Democrats in Congress went along….

  122. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: I’m a REAL conservative.

  123. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Hedges mentions police horse trampling Iraq vet against war, asks about signing statements, habeas corpus suspension

  124. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Russia and China are threats; we should not be reducing the size of the military or getting bogged down in the mideast. A little Reagan worship thrown in. Opposes “Patriot Act” though.

  125. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: we need more ships in our navy so we can keep China out of the Panama Canal.

    WHAT???

  126. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Marquee and reprisal, Ron Paul, Thomas Jefferson…

  127. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Here’s what I think will be one of the true tests of Obama’s presidency: will be reduce the power of the presidency?

    If he gets rid of most/all of Bush’s advancement of presidential power, he will be a great man.

  128. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: remove military contractors.

  129. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Nader: “I’m Eugene Debs!”

    Baldwin: “I’m Ron Paul!”

  130. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Congress and judiciary are giving way to imperial presidency; international law is being ignored and violated. Obama is beligerent like McCain. US foreign policy is leading to blowback and terrorism; Iran war looming.

  131. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Only Congress can declare war. We must follow Constitution. I like Ron Paul.

  132. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Nader: Surge in Afghanistan would be like “fire on gasoline,” could destabilize Pakistan.

  133. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: It violates international treaties and the Constitution. Congress is abrogating its responsibility.

  134. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Catholic Trotskyist, can’t you watch it on c-span.org?

  135. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: The real battle is between new world order globalists and constitutionalists; mentions immigration, foreign aid.

  136. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    #77 – So do Obama and McCain and Bush. Ah!

  137. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: We are globalising too much. We follow the UN too much.

    That’s not true. We break international treaties all the time, and it’s a big treaty. That is, the problem of the idea of “American exceptionalism.”

  138. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: AIPAC has too much influence. He supports two state solution for Israel-Palestine.

  139. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: No foreign aid.

    To absolutely cut it off would be a scary thing.

  140. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Haha, I didn’t see 70.

    We’ll have duplication aplenty. All good.

  141. Catholic Trotskyist Catholic Trotskyist October 23, 2008

    For some eason, CSpan2 in my area is not covering it. Still, I am confident that with God’s help and blessing, Christian Revolutionary Colonel Chuck Baldwin is tuterly defeating and humiliating fascist/stalinist criminal Ralph Nader. I have also heard from inside sources at the Vatican that the pope is about to excommunicate Ralph Nader.

  142. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Haha, I didn’t see 70.

    Nader: Little difference between major candidates on Iraq, they’ll keep at least some bases there. 400 Arabs dead to one Israeli dead would be called anti-Semitism the other way around.

  143. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Obama will be like another Bush term, no different from McCain and Bush on middle east issues.

  144. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    I didn’t realize Hedges was a candidate.

  145. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Is Hedges running for President?

  146. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Damn these questions are long

  147. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Hedges: reading a term paper about American foreign policy.

  148. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: criminal prosecutions of Wall Street crooks.

  149. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Jeremy Young #63: Precisely the problem

  150. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Nader supporter next to me: “I don’t think there’s ever been a free market.”

  151. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Appoint Ron Paul or someone like him Secretary of the Treasury, bring back sound money, repeal Fed, IRS and income tax.

  152. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: “The free market always works, it always has and it always will” — yeah, right. Even in Roman days there was a free market. And the emperor was just sort of a…senior stockbroker.

  153. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: fiat money is fraudulent. We are the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world, debt growing with no end in sight.

  154. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: corporations are shipping our jobs to fascist dictatorships, bailout is removing market discipline from big businesses but not small business. Put in a transaction tax on stock trades.

  155. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Baldwin is an excellent debater.

  156. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: bailout is the collapse of corporate capitalist ideology.

  157. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Stop leading them on, Hedges.

  158. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Ron Paul endorsed me.

  159. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Toss out congressmen who voted for the bailout, and the federal reserve while we’re at it.

  160. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    I wish they would’ve given the candidates more time to question each other. There’s no reason to have the same format as the corporate debates.

  161. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Corporations are giving more money to Obama than McCain.

    Baldwin: Doesn’t matter which duopoly wing administers the same iniquities.

  162. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Hedges shouldn’t talk more than the candidates do. The Nader people here agree with me.

  163. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: it’s like a choice between Nero and Caligula

  164. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    In case you don’t know, this is live on CSpan 2 right now.

  165. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Democratic party ignores its base constituencies – both parties are getting worse every time, more controlled by corporations.

  166. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Hedges: What about the bailout?

  167. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    They’re Arabs. According to McCain that makes them bad people.

  168. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: 80% of Michigan voters willing to consider a third party

  169. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    That’s not entirely fair about Obama’s donations, Nader, because he’s raised so much money in general that that is unavoidable. And Nader, does that mean money from the companies themselves or money from their employees?

  170. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    Excellent point by Baldwin about the multi-party system in Iraq. If it’s good enough for them, why isn’t it good enough for us?

  171. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Republicans were a minor party in 1860.

  172. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Debate commission is a private company. Alternative candidates excluded from polls.

  173. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Hedges: What about pragmatism?

  174. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Tell us what they say, Jeremy!

  175. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Third parties put issues on the table first.

  176. Jeremy Young Jeremy Young October 23, 2008

    I’m watching the debate with Nader people. Good times.

  177. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin:

    McCain 2008=Bob Dole 1996

  178. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Should I start a new post?

  179. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: A wasted vote is one for someone who does not have the same values you do.

  180. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Baldwin: Don’t waste your vote, don’t vote McCain. McCain can’t win, don’t compromise your principles.

  181. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: Especially easy to vote for him in non-swing states.

  182. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: that allows the least worst to ignore them and compromise with the worst instead.

  183. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    First question: Zinn and Chomsky will vote for Obama, even though they have been very critical of major parties. Discuss.

  184. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Nader: rule by the people not the corporations, living wage, national health care

  185. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Tried that before at LFV, did not work as well.

  186. Ross Levin Ross Levin October 23, 2008

    Let’s start a post that we continually update instead of doing it in the comments.

  187. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    CB: 100% pro-life, anti gay marriage, pro 2nd Amendment, anti immigration, declared wars only, state sovereignty

  188. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Mentions that the CP is 3rd in registrations, believes in the Constitution, and most of the country’s problems are because of the major parties ignoring the Constitution, the Bible, and their oath of office.

  189. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Debate rules being explained

  190. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    About 80 people in audience

  191. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 23, 2008

    I watch basically one show per night.

  192. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    To each their own. TV ain’t shit to me.

    On the rare occasion I am not either on the computer or outdoors, if I don’t need to use the bathroom or kitchen or bed, I flip through the video/music channels for a few minutes.

    Otherwise, fuggedaboutit.

  193. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 23, 2008

    Um no. Grey’s AnatonyEither Grey’s Anatomy or Nader+Baldwin.

  194. svf svf October 23, 2008

    Anyone else planning to liveblog besides me?

    Grey’s Anatomy > Nader + Baldwin

    Sorry guys… maybe next time…

  195. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Not completely. See the second link in my last comment.

  196. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 23, 2008

    Seems dumb. McKinney is completely opposed to participating in media…

  197. Gregg Jocoy Gregg Jocoy October 23, 2008

    Cynthia McKinney addressed her decision to not participate in this debate, and Ron Hardy wrote it up at Green Party Watch.

  198. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Anyone else planning to liveblog besides me?

  199. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    RTR Radio will have Baldwin and hopefully Nader for post-debate interviews

  200. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Video of debate will be at theywillbeheard.com

  201. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    @ TPW

    # Bill Lussenheide Says:
    October 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    I can assure you that Ron Paul IS NOT a write in candidate in California.

    I was involved in the process of getting Chuck Baldwin on the California certified write in list. The Secretary of State requires a declaration of candidacy SIGNED by the candidate, in addition to 55 notarized and jurated electoral college nominees. So unless Ron Paul signed a declaration, then he is not a write in candidate.

    The deadline for paperwork was October 21st.

  202. Mike Gillis Mike Gillis October 23, 2008

    Are we talking about California?

  203. Hugh Jass Hugh Jass October 23, 2008

    It was on DailyPaul and LRC.

  204. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | October 23, 2008

    Do you have confirmation on that?

  205. Trent Hill Trent Hill October 23, 2008

    Im getting to it.

  206. Hugh Jass Hugh Jass October 23, 2008

    Nobody posted about Ron Paul now being an official write-in candidate in the most populous state in the Union?

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