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Days to release LNC meeting minutes: 81

Original post at GeorgeDonnelly.com. Sent by the author to contact.ipr@gmail.com

The minutes from the last LNC meeting were finally posted to lp.org today. This last meeting ended 81 days ago. There are only 9 days to go before the start of the next LNC meeting.

The Membership Effectively Shut Out

Add to this the fact that the minutes are a 64-page tome. How is anyone who didn’t actually attend the last meeting supposed to be participate intelligently in the next one? An the one after that. Et cetera.

If this wasn’t a libertarian party I might think someone was trying to exclude the membership from active participation in running the party!

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  1. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 28, 2008

    Seriously:

    “Their full financials, pages 1-6 and 4A, ”

    page 1-6 and 4a of what?

  2. JimDavidson JimDavidson November 28, 2008

    Where none dare to tread.

  3. coming on the back of the LP coming on the back of the LP November 27, 2008

    Deep in Aaron Starr’s anus.

  4. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    Their full financials, pages 1-6 and 4A,

    Where’s this full report?

  5. coming on the back of the LP coming on the back of the LP November 27, 2008

    LOL @ LP

    Those of you who are giving them more money, remind me again why you all still pay dues?

  6. George Phillies George Phillies November 27, 2008

    It could be worse. At this meeting, the annual budget will be proposed and perhaps passed. The complete lack of a subcommittee structure to prepare and consider how money is spent is going to become obvious.

    Oh, right, some of you would like to see the budget, would you not? (8^))

  7. JimDavidson JimDavidson November 27, 2008

    @30 Yes, I’m sure they make that contention. Happily, us enemies already have our sources of information. So we don’t need to get hold of their recordings to make embarrassing and damaging information about the LP available.

    The LP doesn’t want recordings available because it wants to shroud its deliberations in secrecy and mystery. The LP national wants to be able to cut insider deals, engage in corrupt practices, defame individuals, and not have to be bothered by responsibility for their own actions. While the numbers of people they can abuse and manipulate are small, and the amounts of money involved are trivial, those with a power grip on the LP national are power mad.

    Stop the wars.

  8. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    They contend that the enemies of the LP will get a hold of the recordings. Seriously.

  9. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson November 27, 2008

    It is foolish to destroy what may be a historical and/or legal record. Given the technology that is available to us today there is no reason that a permanent record could not be made and stored safely and easily. I don’t need b.s. on this issue.

    MHW

  10. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    Michael, @ LFV

    #

    #
    on November 27, 2008 at 1:22 pm Mike Seebeck

    ENM, sent offline.

    Send me that too pls.

  11. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    Good idea. I wonder if they will ask you to turn off all computers and cell phones too.

  12. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck November 27, 2008

    Maybe they should Twitter the things on the fly.

  13. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    IF they wanted to.

    Correct. At the last meeting, they voted to destroy recordings of the meeting. One of the reasons given was that it would be too much of a hassle for staff to keep up with the recordings.

    Since some people have now declared their intent to audio and videotape LNC meetings from now on their own, we’ll see whether they will be ordered not to record or destroy their recordings as well.

  14. VirtualGalt VirtualGalt November 27, 2008

    How is it, that the Congressional Record can be released the next day (I think), and the minutes of our group can’t be for nearly 3 months?

    They could post an audio/mp3 of the meeting *that day*, and a text transcription in 72 hours… IF they wanted to.

  15. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    Process-wise, I like the BTP better.

  16. JimDavidson JimDavidson November 27, 2008

    So, instead of having transparency, instead of having their deliberations fully available online, instead of actually deliberating online, the LP has face to face meetings in meat space, then comes up with minutes to those meetings, then comes up with modifications of what was said so guys like Chuck can be less embarrassed, and finally releases minutes just a few days before the next meeting.

    What a lousy process.

  17. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy November 27, 2008

    “Sean told me directly that he makes sure that the people he likes get work, and the people he does not like don’t get work.”

    And since Sean Haugh is a mentally unstable whackjob, he can like or not like somebody for any arbitrary reason that his warped mind invents.

  18. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy November 27, 2008

    “They balked at paying us $2 per signature, yet we were actually doing quality work.”

    We got paid $1.50 per signature plus motel from the LP for Alabama, however, it should be noted that Mark and I shared a motel room (something that most of – or maybe even all of – the mercenary petitioners were not doing) and that Paul staid at his family’s house and therefore did not get any motel money. It was extremely hot in Alabama, with several days in a row that were in the 103-107 range. We were successful in getting the LP on the ballot in Alabama well before the deadline. This was during the same time period that the LP paid for ballot FAILURE in Maine at a cost of $2.50 per signature to a crew of mercenaries (and note that summer weather is more comfortable in Maine than it is in Alabama).

  19. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy November 27, 2008

    “While the mercs were getting higher rates and better expense deals for lower validity, we were expressly forbidden from subcontracting.”

    I know that they paid some mercs $2.50 per singnature in Maine and what did they get for this, THE LP FAILED TO GET ON THE BALLOT IN MAINE.

    They balked at paying us $2 per signature, yet we were actually doing quality work.

  20. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    I think it’s at megauploads.com too.

  21. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy November 27, 2008

    “Scott bragged about this on tape.”

    We recorded the conference call and have it in mp3 format for anyone who wants to listen to it.

  22. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    mercenary petitioner that he had hired in Philadelphia whom he was paying a higher rate to and who hired a crew – that according to a source from the LP of PA – got bad validity.

    This went on all over the country, which is what I was alluding to above when I said “Then, Scott was hired as Sean’s ballot access director. Their combined mismanagement caused the LP not to be on the ballot in WV, DC, OK, LA, CT and ME, and there were other needless near-misses. It also cost much more than it needed to.

    In one case in IL there was a crew that had about 1,500 valid out of 5,500 signatures, and they would have kept getting paid if Chris Bennett had not caught it. Meanwhile they were trying to keep me from working in Chicago, and later did in fact keep me from working in Boston.

    While the mercs were getting higher rates and better expense deals for lower validity, we were expressly forbidden from subcontracting. Nice double standard. Of course pointing all this out online only leads to being “fired” and blackballed by Sean and Scott.

  23. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy November 27, 2008

    “And that is not to take anything away from George Donnelly, who made my raw data into a good-looking website as well as double-checked my sources. But, his website gave me credit from day one for the idea and the research, unlike Sean and the LNC minutes of his report.”

    Haugh did something like this to me in an LNC report at the LNC meeting in Denver. He mentioned that the LP ballot access drive in PA was ahead of schedule, but he did NOT bother to mention the reason that it was ahead of schedule was because I (along with Mark) was responsible for over 8,000 signatures having been collected. Haugh only mentioned the mercenary petitioner that he had hired in Philadelphia whom he was paying a higher rate to and who hired a crew – that according to a source from the LP of PA – got bad validity.

    During this time period, the majority of signatures that had been collected at that point came from the efforts of Mark and I (mostly me), and we gathered most of the signatures in central PA (note that in PA signatures have to come out of each district for local candidates, but can be from anywhere in the state for statewide candidates). We got all of or almost all of the signatures to put LP candidate James Fryman on the ballot for Congress (Fryman was running in the most rural Congressional District in PA). Our thanks for this was that Haugh tried to lower our pay, and he tried to do this even after Bill Redpath had already agreed that we should get a certain rate (which was still lower than what I later found out that Haugh paid to the mercs in Philadelphia). Haugh wanted to lower my pay after I had already turned down working on ballot initiative campaigns in Colorado, California, and Missouri that were paying higher rates, and remained in PA after working on the Ron Paul campaign (and note that since I was already there because of the Ron Paul campaign, the LP saved money since they did not have to shell out expense money to bring in a petitioner). If Haugh would have gotten away with this robbery we would have been screwed. We ended up quitting the LP drive in PA because of Sean Haugh’s shenanigans. This meant that the LP drive in PA COULD HAVE been finished earlier than it was if we had remained working there, which would have freed petitioners to go into other states sooner, which could have SAVED ballot drives in other states such as West Virginia, Maine, and Connecticut. Another result of Sean Haugh jerking us around in PA was that some local candidates who could have made it on the ballot had we remained working did not qualify for the ballot (such as Jeremiah Hornbacher who was running for state Senate out of York and Franklin Counties; York County was one of the last places we worked before Haugh’s jerking us around caused us to quit that drive, if we had remained there Hornbacher could have made it on the ballot). I had to get Bill Redpath to intervene in order to keep from getting ripped off by Haugh, and then it took over a month to get paid after we were told that we’d recieve all of the pay in two or three days.

  24. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    You should play the video in 12.

  25. Gary Fincher Gary Fincher November 27, 2008

    I can assure you, 100%, that Sean Haugh is the farthest thing from a “man of honor” as you can get. I’m living proof of it, in fact.

  26. TheOriginalAndy TheOriginalAndy November 27, 2008

    “I suspect it was not personal … despite what you may think. the man is a man of honor.”

    Sean Haugh, a man of honor?!?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?! LMAO!!!!!! BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

    This lying chickenshit backstabbing weasel is about as far from being a man of honor as one can get. He is a parasite that has been feeding off of Libertarian Party donors f0r far too long.

  27. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    Lastly, if Steve or anyone else thinks that the omission was accidental, I should point out that I emailed about it to Sean and Bob Sullentrup, got George Donnelly to email them confirmation, included links to IPR, NFV and LFV where I posted the research while it was in progress, blogged about that here and at NFV, and commented about it on Rachel Hawkridge’s blog.

    I even said that I would be blogging about it again if the minutes were not corrected. Yes, Sean is very honorable for continuing to give me zero credit for getting the ball rolling on doing a major, basic function of his job which he was too busy to do before I did it.

    And that is not to take anything away from George Donnelly, who made my raw data into a good-looking website as well as double-checked my sources. But, his website gave me credit from day one for the idea and the research, unlike Sean and the LNC minutes of his report.

  28. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    despite what you may think. the man is a man of honor

    I wonder which part was the most honorable…

    Ordering petition burnings separately by phone and email? In the email, he also temporarily “fired” Mark Pickens because he had deduced that Mark brough Gary into Massachusetts, which was entirely false and baseless.

    Perhaps, it was helping to write the kiddie porn press release that got Shane Cory in hot water, as Sean has bragged about doing?

    Maybe it was making fun of Susan Hogarth at the LNC/LSLA in February and saying he would vote Republican if she ran for Congress?

  29. chuckmoulton chuckmoulton November 27, 2008

    The official minutes seem to include text highlighted in red. These include “Rachel Hawkridge” on several votes and text about Alicia’s presentation on E-Voting at conventions.

    In the Bylaws Committee selection I believe Bruce Majors is from DC, Mike Renzulli is from AZ, and Morey Straus is from NH.

    I requested that my public comment be removed because in retrospect it was a somewhat snarky thing to say and would be misinterpretted out of context.

    That statement was:

    Chuck also pointed out the maxim that if ‘a person is committing political suicide, don’t interrupt him.’ This he said was true for both Angela Keaton and the LNC both. He forecast ‘blowback’ and expressed relief he was no longer on the Board.

    What I was trying to convey was that both Angela and the LNC should expect consequences from their behavior and both played into their opponents hands. Rude of me to say, but still true.

    Instead of respecting my request to remove that from the minutes, the Secretary used strikethrough. That’s okay… enshring my statements for posterity will teach me to exercise more restraint and self-censorship before speaking. But I have lost some respect for the Secretary.

  30. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    Lest anyone forget, the last time the LP had fewer ballot lines was 1984.

    In 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000 and 2004, they had more.

  31. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 27, 2008

    By the way, Sean has bragged about how closely he is working with Scott Kohlhaas.

    Kohlhaas ripped us off in Nebraska in 2006. That is, me, Andy, Gary, Mark Pickens, and Celeste Parenti. Andy paid me and Mark out of his own pocket, and Gary bought Celeste’s signatures, thus they left being owed $10,000+ and $4,000 plus respectively.

    Scott’s contract called for him to pay himself 40% of the money he raised each week. Instead, he paid himself 40% for the whole job and stopped raising money. He also started paying the LP Nebraska officer dealing with us $100 a week, but this was not in the contract. The account that the money in disappeared, along with several thousand dollars, and the LPNE officer changed his name (not for the first time) and disappeared as well. Scott bragged about this on tape.

    He ducked all our calls for a full year, until LNC members paid Andy and Gary out of their own pockets for Scott’s bad debt. In the meantime, it cost all of us countless hours and thousands of dollars in opportunity costs to deal with it every single day for a whole year, and many real costs were incurred as well, ranging from motels, rental cars and bus tickets we would not otherwise have had to get, all the way to Fincher being in the hospital for a month almost losing his foot to a diabetic sore due to a chain of events set off by not being paid on time and then being promised that the money would be paid imminently.

    Then, Scott was hired as Sean’s ballot access director. Their combined mismanagement caused the LP not to be on the ballot in WV, DC, OK, LA, CT and ME, and there were other needless near-misses. It also cost much more than it needed to.

    Much of this could have been avoided if Scott and Sean had not been vindictive, and fired and blackballed most of the people Scott ripped off in Nebraska, as well as Jake Witmer, who also got jacked around in West Virginia and had the nerve to complain about his mistreatment.

  32. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 26, 2008

    I suspect it was not personal … despite what you may think. the man is a man of honor

    I more than suspect it was very personal. If you have any delusions that Sean is honorable, you should read through these posts and comments thereon:

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/?s=haugh

    There are three pages of posts.

    Sean told me directly that he makes sure that the people he likes get work, and the people he does not like don’t get work. The reason I am not working right now is because he prevailed on the Arizona LP not to hire me, even though they are using their own money, not national’s, and even though I was already there doing the job earlier this year and left with the promise that I could come back when I wanted.

    The reasons he gave for “firing” / blackballing me:

    The main reason is that I write about the details of the LP’s ballot access mismanagement on blogs such as this one.

    A secondary reason was that I “lied” about something, yet Sean could not tell me what I allegedly lied about.

    The last reason was that I allegedly misrepresented that I am no longer friends with Gary Fincher. In fact, at the time I told him this, I was not speaking to Fincher, and had him spam=blocked from my email. I am now speaking to him again, but very rarely. I haven’t worked with him at all this year.

    I did, however, at Andy’s repeated request, point out the fact that I have never seen Gary do anything wrong while out in the field, and have had many opportunities to see him get good signatures. I also asked for proof of the allegation which has been publicly posted here that he has a criminal history of violence against women. To date, there has been zero proof, only allegations from an extremely unreliable source who has a Munchausen-like relationship with the truth. Tom Knapp told me months ago that he was trying to obtain a police report of the alleged incident and I asked him to share it with me as soon as he got it; so far, nothing.

    There’s a lot more, but I want to keep this comments to a reasonable length. You can find much of it in the posts and comments under

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/?s=haugh

    Or, just call me.

  33. songster7 songster7 November 26, 2008

    the “minutes” issue has been a problem for yers, if not decades. The challenge has usually been a combination of (a) wanting to be sure the info is correct, and (b) giving the LNC members a chance to make such corrections before public posting was done. Balance this effort at accuracy (and some discretion in a few cases, like when allegations are presented without evidence, or the issue involves a personal issue with an LPHQ staff dismissal?), with the desire for complete transparency … and you maybe see why Sean started writing up unofficial minutes before the fact, without full vetting first.

    If he missed you Paulie, and you shoulda been there, I suspect it was not personal … despite what you may think. the man is a man of honor

  34. coming on the back of the LP coming on the back of the LP November 26, 2008

    Any of you fools who keep giving these scumballs money are either on mushrooms, like being treated like mushrooms, or both.

  35. paulie cannoli paulie cannoli Post author | November 26, 2008

    I see Sean Haugh’s report, which failed to give me any credit for putting together the list of LP candidates, was not corrected.

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