George Phillies says Libertarian Party acting executive director Robert Kraus asked Massachusetts LP to disaffiliate

Phillies, in group email:

“…my state chair (Dave Blau) had a phone call from the LNC Acting Director, and in one of the early sentences the first two words form Mr. Krauss’s [sic] lips were, I am told, “please” and “disaffiliate”.”

The Massachusetts LP has passed resolutions at odds with the national LP leadership:

Libertarian Party of Massachusetts Resolution on LNC Acts

The LPMass State Committee, having read in detail of events at the December Libertarian National Committee meeting, has passed a resolution responding to the National Committee actions. The resolution was drafted by a committee of the whole, and passed without objection.

The resolution as passed reads:

Whereas, the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts and five other state affiliates of the national Libertarian Party urged the Libertarian National Committee — in the words of the Libertarian Party of Nevada — to drop its vendetta against Angela Keaton and — in the words of the Libertarian Party of Tennessee — turn its attention to proper and necessary Libertarian Party business such as membership growth, finances, campaigns, advancing public policy in a libertarian direction, and increasing awareness of Libertarianism, and,

Whereas furthermore, the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire categorically and unambiguously informed the Libertarian National Committee that the charge against Keaton related to New Hampshire was totally false and devoid of merit, and

Whereas furthermore, the Libertarian National Committee took no notice in its meeting of these recommendations, and

Whereas furthermore, the actions of the Libertarian National Committee drove National Committee At-Large member Angela Keaton to resign from the Committee, and

Whereas furthermore, the Libertarian National Committee passed a new budget providing nothing for Affiliate Support, Ballot Access, Brand Development, Campus Outreach, or Lobbying, and next to nothing for Candidate Support, therefore

Mindful of its historical leadership role within the libertarian movement, a role readily traced back to the battles of Concord and Lexington and the abolitionist movement, not to mention Massachusetts’s record as the first state to abolish slavery, legalize gay marriage, and its recent success in decriminalizing marijuana possession,

the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts therefore resolves:

First, we counsel the Libertarian National Committee that, for the good of the Party, the Libertarian National Committee should ensure in appointing Keaton’s replacement that the replacement is as anti-war and as socially liberal as Ms. Keaton, so that the balance on the National Committee between the party’s various factions and interests is not altered and continues to reflect the mixture of votes cast at the most recent National Convention, and

Second, we urge supporters of the libertarian political movement to respond to the Libertarian National Committee’s actions by redirecting your future donations away from the Libertarian National Committee. Donate instead to libertarian groups that do real politics and political education, such as your state Libertarian Party, and national groups such as Freedom Ballot Access and the Advocates for Self-Government.

Massachusetts LP passes resolution supporting Keaton


Whereas, Angela Keaton was elected with the strong support of the delegates at the 2008 Libertarian National Convention, and

Whereas furthermore, the lack of performance of the Libertarian Party this past election cycle, under what should have been ideal electoral circumstances, should be cause for serious reflection, and

Whereas furthermore, spending the valuable meeting time of the Libertarian National Committee on personality disputes brings the National Committee and hence our party into disrepute, therefore

Be it resolved, that the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts calls upon the Libertarian National Committee to decline to consider resolutions suspending Angela Keaton, and

Be it further resolved, that the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts commends to the Libertarian National Committee the desirability of spending its precious meeting time on important issues that may advance our party,

Be it further resolved, that the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts urges the Libertarian National Committee to spend that time, instead, on contemplating the substantive objectives of its budget and volunteer mobilization programs for the next year, and

For if the National Committee does not do so, the members of our voluntary organization may eventually conclude that alternative organizational structures are required if the Libertarian political movement is to advance.

The state party also considered, but did not pass, a resolution calling for the suspension of the LNC membership of chair Bill Redpath.

Posted to IPR by Paulie

41 thoughts on “George Phillies says Libertarian Party acting executive director Robert Kraus asked Massachusetts LP to disaffiliate

  1. libertariangirl

    I agree with everything up until they say to stop donating to the LP. Thats nuts then when we regain control we’ll have even less money.
    Do you think the funds will automatically start flowing back in? cutting off our nose to spite our face comes to mind.

  2. Prospective Advertiser

    The only thing people who are members of a group can do is withhold their support, money, volunteer time, etc. It is the right thing to do.

    Yes, principled libertarians behaving ethically would be able to expect large flows of funding compared to these insider scum and their reckless, GOP, corrupt behaviors.

  3. libertariangirl

    No ,the thing to do is beat them at convention. I’m bothered by the attitude of the Rads I consider myself to be a member of , that we gotta take all our balls and leave the field .

    if were all gonna take our balls home everytime things dont go our way then what kind of people does that make us ? If we withhold all the things P.A suggests ; money , volunteer time , support , then what will be left to regain . we would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.

  4. Geoffrey the Liberator

    Here at the UKLP we get this type of thing all the time, one affiliated bunch up here in the Highlands is always threatening to do their own thing if the rest of us do not go along with what they desire. Quite upsetting I must say and so I can understand when the left shoe wants all the laces that the right shoe may decide to let the left shoe go on about its business without any support.

    What always infuriates me is when these petty little things get on someone’s web page, and no one has bothered to do any fact checking. I would encourage those of you whom run such pages, like this one, to do your homework prior to simply posting “he said she said” rubbish.

    I would say from what I have read, without knowing all the facts, relying on simple heresay, that this type of proclamation from an under-party (as we call it), would be frankly intolerable. As we tell the highlanders, often, if you do not wish to remain a part of our mother movement, then go about your own. I hope you yanks do the same. I’ve read elsewhere on these pages about other movements in your country, so perhaps one of them (the Boston Tea Party) would be more agreeable.

    Good evening,


  5. paulie cannoli Post author

    I would encourage those of you whom run such pages, like this one, to do your homework prior to simply posting “he said she said” rubbish.

    Sorry, I’d rather allow that to take place in the comments, and publish a correction or new story if the facts are in dispute.

    Is Mr. Kraus, or anyone else, denying that he said what Dr. Phillies reports he said?

  6. libertariangirl

    Seems to me that instead of spending so much energy attcking the other ‘faction’ and encouraging people to withhold all support until we die a slow death , we could be recruiting more Libertarians in our own image and making them credential friendly ., We then bring them to the next convention and win.
    That seems a more positive response.

  7. George Phillies

    LibertarianGirl “when we regain control we’ll have even less money”.

    What do you mean *regain*? The current old boys club has been fighting off insurgencies since Gene Cisiewski in 1996 and 1998, and they are still there.

    Sending your money to your state party is not a’s just good business sense, almost everywhere.

  8. paulie cannoli Post author

    The current old boys club has been fighting off insurgencies since Gene Cisiewski in 1996 and 1998, and they are still there.

    There has been quite a bit of turnover since 1996/8. Many of the people in the “old boys club” now were on the outs then, and vice versa.

    Sending your money to your state party

    I support that!

  9. libertariangirl

    I also support sending money to your state or if you prefer , sending money to mine in Nevada. You can make a donation at 🙂

  10. paulie cannoli Post author

    Please put “ballot access” in the box

    You may make one-time contributions by mailing a check to the address below, PayPal or through a credit card donation.

    Libertarian Party of Alabama
    2330 Highland Avenue South
    Birmingham, AL 35205

    Most of our funds come through the generosity of those members who contribute monthly by credit card (“the LPA pledge program”). To make a credit card pledge please contact Mike Rster via our voice mailbox at 205-328-8683 or email him at


    I outlined the framework of a business plan for LPA ballot access and field organizing:

    > It will cost $180,000 over 3.5 years for field organizers and fund raisers, plus about $20,000 in overhead such as maintaining the HQ (over 3.5 years). [Total $200,000]

    This is far more than we have raised previously; it will get us statewide ballot access for all races in 2010 and 2012.

    In addition to getting about 40,000 valid signatures for each year
    (about 60,000 raw) we want to:

    * Database contacts and give out thousands of brochures/fliers/business cards for the party.
    * Get thousands of voters to sign postcards to their state
    legislators to improve our state?s ballot access laws, and for the other legislative issues we are pushing.
    * Start county chapters in all 67 counties, or as many as we can.
    * Start campus groups at every college in the state, or as many as we can.
    * Hand out fully informed jury rights information in every county.
    * Register thousands of voters and spread information about restoring ex-felons voting rights to as many people as possible.
    * Help organize and build single issue lobbying groups in every county on issues such as: compassionate care (medical marijuana), No to REAL ID and National Animal Identification Systems (NAIS), Proportional representation, Government transparency, Repealing the grocery sales tax, Free the Hops, ending the death penalty, Ending mandatory smoking bans for businesses, Ending the ban on sex toys, and other issues we identify in the course of field organizing throughout the state.
    * Identify and recruit teams of candidates to run as a slate of Libertarian candidates for local and state office in each and every county.
    * Market the Libertarian Party door to door to small businesses
    throughout every single county in the state.

    Let?s take the lemons that the state legislature has handed us in the form of prohibitive ballot access barriers and turn them into lemonade!


    This business plan needs a lot of work; if anyone reading has experience with writing business plans and would like to help, please let me know how to get a hold of you in the comments.

  11. Prospective Advertiser

    LibertarianGirl, I gather that you want to give until it hurts, no matter what the results. That seems slutty, and I’m inclined to encourage it in women.

    However, the folly you are pursuing is rewarding for B while seeking A. You want a Libertarian Party that represents you, isn’t a “slightly nutty version of the GOP” to quote Ross Levin, is composed of principled, ethical libertarians, doesn’t purge hard workers like Angela Keaton, doesn’t engage in purges of groups like LP Mass (perhaps, I haven’t gotten a sense that you actually care what Kraus has said) and so forth. If you send them money, they’ll take it and continue doing what they are doing.

    If you don’t, you still have your money to send later. Or to send to your state affiliate, or to donate to, or to, or to do something else with. Choosing to do something stupid with your money by throwing it at evil men like Kraus just encourages them.

    In a free market economy, you should vote with your money. Spending your money with people who are doing things you don’t like isn’t going to help get them to stop. I would think this fundamental concept would be apparent. Please let me know if, having explained it six or seven different ways, you are comfortable with the idea, or whether you’d like me to come at it from another direction again.

    I agree with George Phillies that the nature of the problem with LP national was first exposed in 1996 and has not been fully resolved. I think one of the reasons it hasn’t been fixed is that for all these years, way too many ethical, principled libertarians “go ahead” and donate money to evil men and women who do not represent their interests, who are, in fact, provably, working against their interests.

    So, really, it’s partly your fault. Stop giving to the national LP. Withholding your money is the most effective way to bring about change.

    When you think they are all better, then you can donate again. Maybe if you put aside the money until it became a big chunk of money, it would be more clear to you that you hadn’t lost anything by keeping it from bad people.

  12. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Withholding your money is the most effective way to bring about change.”

    Yes, it is — within reason and if done right.

    If you’re an LP donor at a higher than “basic dues” level and don’t approve of the current course, it might be worthwhile to continue paying those dues (since they are the basis upon which state delegation counts to the national convention are allocated) … and then tell LPHQ why you aren’t sending that additional contribution this year, e.g. “I usually make a $500 contribution each year — you pissed that one away for 2009 with (the Keaton witch trial, the budget non-transparency, whatever your reason is).”

  13. Holden

    Having the LPMA disaffiliate from the LP would be best for both parties. The LP certainly would not miss them, nor do I think the LPMA would really mind not being affiliated with the USLP.

    It’s what George Phillies wants anyways. The LPMA would make a great state party, and could run George for Pres. every four years.

    And, USLP wouldn’t have to put up with some of its loopier members.

  14. Michael Seebeck

    Holden, if that happens, then LPUS puts their own flunkies in LPMA and let the purge begin since LPUS can’t throw anyone out of the party.

    Sorry, that’s creating defeat.

  15. libertariangirl

    P>A:_So, really, it’s partly your fault. Stop giving to the national LP.

    I dont give money to National , I cant afford to what money I give goes to my state affiliate fundraisers etc . This is besides the $25 national membership fee as it is a requirement of our state and county that to be a delegate at either one must be a member of national.

    however I do give some time to National as in I campaigned a little for our candidate for pres and organized a fundraiser for him . This is even though I did not vote for him or believe in him . I geuss I have a different outlook , I disagreed but still did my job as a NV ex-comm member and worked for the candidate my party chose.

    you keep saying evil and I feel thats too strong a word. Do you know people are in allegiance with Satan or are you just running off at the mouth again?

  16. libertariangirl

    and I dont care what Krauss said . I never met the man and don t know him at all . I kn ow George and like him just fine.

    disaffiliating and purging and encouraging donors to kill the LP is not the answer .
    again the answer is recruit mote members in uor own image and bring them to convention and win.

  17. paulie cannoli Post author

    LG and others, some ideas expanding on that….I need computer-knowledgeable and artistic collaborators to make this happen:

    Outline for Liberty Activists project – which Donnelly was also working on…in case anyone wants to work on it…

    Liberty Activists website.

    The idea is to create and share effective outreach material for activists who are guided by the non-initiation of force principle in the political arena. Although I don’t think LP infighting is the most productive focus, message boards for things like ride and room shares would help get more of “our” people to be able to afford conventions.

    Here’s what I am thinking:

    Having effective outreach tools will help recruit the kind of people we need in the party as well; we especially need young people, women, artistic types (including musicians, etc), racial/ethnic diversity. Having tools like youtube clips, flier designs, etc. created and passed around will help with such recruitment efforts.

    The boring and stodgy, unupdated in a gazillion years, outreach materials LP national has are not very attractive, thus ensuring an aging, non-diverse, left-brained thinking predominated, non-activist membership base. This is bad both for the LP and the radical agenda within the LP.

    Materials should be available for downloading as well as editing multiple versions, wiki style.

    The website should be a hub of activity and a place for activist tools.

    There should be a PHP board, or something where ideas for action can be kept in one place.

    Libertarians are aging; where is the concerted effort to reach a new generation? For the most part there is a lack of creative youtube clips and art and street activism, such as we saw with the Ron Paul campaign. I don’t think it’s because we are more liberal on some social issues.

    The party is overly focused on left brained logic – not enough on music, art, different ways of reaching more people. Activism is not encouraged or nourished; the party is mainly interested in members for their money only. No activist culture; main activity is monthly get together boring bitch and moan fests.

    Some useful feature this website should have:

    – Membership. A point of contact and knowing who is who is basic.

    – Member blogs and/or aggregation of outside blogs. This foments a libertarian blogosphere and ferments ideas, discussion and participation.

    – Collaborative creation and editing of documents. This is critical for coming up with a public agenda, so we’re all on the same page and
    know what we’re working for.

    – RSS. So people can easily be informed of updates. This makes it easy for people to stay informed and active.

    – Forums, mailing lists, chatrooms, mini-sites, IT technical help documents. For on-demand IT infrastructure for collaboration and projects.

    – Howtos. Activism resources. Introductions to LP and radical topics for newbies

    – Document archive. For reference purposes.

    – Highly searchable, pages rank well in the search engines, easy to find. This makes it easy for like-minded people to find us.

    Not sure if George wants to keep the domain I suggested for this purpose, which he registered and hosts:

  18. George Phillies

    “redirecting your future donations” does not involve giving less money. This technical issue seems to have challenged a few people. “redirecting your future donations” means giving your money to different people, people who may spend your money more effectively.

  19. libertariangirl

    LG:_No ,the thing to do is beat them at convention. I’m bothered by the attitude of the Rads I consider myself to be a member of , that we gotta take all our balls and leave the field .

    i should not have said Rads , so Brian don’t throw it up in the future:)

    what I meant was some LPers , and I apologize to any fellow Rads who may have been put off by my comments.

  20. Prospective Advertiser

    LibertarianGirl, yes, the insider clique of the national LP is evil. Evil is the knowing commission of unethical acts. The American Heritage dictionary gives the first definition as “Morally bad or wrong; wicked.” It says nothing about Satan or any other mythological beings.

    Yes, I believe that the corrupt practices of the insider clique at national have been going on since at least 1996, that they are knowingly acting in corrupt, unethical, and wicked manner, and that they are, therefore, evil. In some cases, the goal seems to be to harm the LP for the benefit of the GOP, or to bring GOP candidates into the LP to shift the synthesis by ramping up the antithesis. In other cases, as hard to fathom as this seems to be, the goal seems to be raw power and money, the control of which the LP offers very little, but some people have small ambition.

    Since you don’t send a lot of money to the national LP, I think it doesn’t much matter what you think of the idea. But, if you think that people who have lots of money to send to the national LP should do so without regard to how their money is being spent, then you are being very foolish.

    You have to look at the current budget of the LP and ask yourself why membership renewals are down from 2000, why donations are down, why people are increasingly dissatisfied with sending their money to the LP. If you don’t, then you’ll never understand it.

    The LP is offering a government of openness, transparency, freedom, peace, and prosperity, but it doesn’t actually operate that way. Many people are foolish enough to send them money, any way, I guess, but not everyone. You can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

  21. John Famularo

    libertariangirl wrote;
    “We need to win at convention.”

    I have attempted to help various “reformer’s” compete against the “insiders” at a number of conventions in the past. One of the problems I have encountered is that the “reformers” are only loosely organized and tend to shun away from learning the intricacies of parliamentary procedure and the correct wording and timing of motions. Organizing for the 2010 convention should have already started. State party conventions, that will choose state chairmen who will have a great effect on regional LNC representatives, will be held starting next month..

  22. sunshinebatman

    But which of their several gods or goddesses will the neopagan caucus name their new party after?

    If it’s anyone besides Eris, I think we can safely say they were all filthy statists from the git-go anyway.

  23. paulie cannoli Post author

    I have attempted to help various “reformer’s” compete against the “insiders” at a number of conventions in the past. One of the problems I have encountered is that the “reformers” are only loosely organized and tend to shun away from learning the intricacies of parliamentary procedure and the correct wording and timing of motions. Organizing for the 2010 convention should have already started. State party conventions, that will choose state chairmen who will have a great effect on regional LNC representatives, will be held starting next month..

    Unfortunately, correct.

  24. Libertarian Joseph

    George Phllies is a piece of dirt

    1. he supports protectionism

    2. he’s for deporting migrant workers

    3. he supports the Fed

    and he was seen as more libertarian than Bob Barr? unbelievable

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  26. Brad Berner


    Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Hypocrisy and politicians! There is nothing new in this love-match made by Cupid’s arrow of self-interest, right? Wrong, in the current flurry of state legislatures passing or considering resolutions asserting state sovereignty, many politicians are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

    With close to 30 states having approved or currently considering resolutions of sovereignty, it is noteworthy how many Republicans are now standing up to be counted as defenders of the Constitution, especially after their silence during the Bush administration’s eight-year-assault on the Bill of Rights. And what of the Democrats who were formerly vehement critics of Bush’s actions? They have suddenly gone silent as the Obama administration continues many of Bush’s policies they once opposed. Hypocrisy and partisan politics, of course, but above this is a more fundamental issue involving the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    After the Constitution was ratified by state conventions, the constitutional debate continued with the submission of a Bill of Rights. Alexander Hamilton argued against such a bill, asserting that the people had not surrendered their rights in ratifying the Constitution, so such protections were unnecessary. “Here, in strictness, the people surrender nothing, and as they retain everything, they have no need of particular reservations.” Furthermore, Hamilton feared that protecting specific rights might imply that any unmentioned rights would not be protected.

    Opposed to Hamilton’s argument, Thomas Jefferson, at the time serving as ambassador to France, supported such a bill. He wrote to James Madison, the author of the Constitution: “Half a loaf is better than no bread. If we cannot secure all our rights, let us secure what we can.”

    Madison was, like Hamilton, concerned that enumerating such rights could “enlarge the powers delegated by the Constitution.” Consequently, he submitted the following draft of the Ninth Amendment to the Congress: “The exceptions here or elsewhere in the Constitution, made in favor of particular rights, shall not be so construed as to diminish the just importance of other rights retained by the people; or as to enlarge the powers delegated by the Constitution; but either as actual limitations of such powers, or as inserted merely for greater caution.”

    Madison further elaborated on these rights in his speech introducing the Bill of Rights: “It has been said, by way of objection to a Bill of Rights. …that in the Federal Government they are unnecessary, because the power enumerated, and it follows, that all that are not granted by the Constitution are retained; that the Constitution is a bill of powers, the great residuum being the rights of the people; and, therefore, a Bill of Rights cannot be so necessary as if the residuum was thrown into the hands of the Government. I admit that these arguments are not entirely without foundation, but they are not as conclusive to the extent it has been proposed. It is true the powers of the general government are circumscribed; they are directed to particular objects; but even if government keeps within those limits, it has certain discretionary powers with respect to the means, which may admit of abuse.”

    Today, after the Bush administration’s restrictions of constitutional rights through the Patriot Act, the John Warner Defense Act of 2007, the Military Commissions Act, and Presidential Decision Directive 51, with Republican and Democratic congressional acquiescence, the rights debate has devolved to the States. Consequently, the Tenth Amendment has moved to center stage.

    Ratified on 15 December 1791, the Tenth Amendment reserves all powers not granted to the national government to the States or the people. Based on an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation where “each state retains its sovereignty,” it restates the Constitution’s principle of federalism, and in supporting States Rights, it makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited to those powers granted in the Constitution.

    Previously, States Rights was used to justify two indelible moral stains on the national character: slavery and segregation. However, today the issues include 2nd Amendment gun rights, unfunded mandates and demands from Washington, D.C. on how to spend stimulus money, national identification cards, and a presidential declaration of martial law, among others.

    While most of the Founding Fathers believed the Constitution did not grant the national government any power that it did not expressly mention, most American political leaders since the Civil War have opined that the Constitution grants the national government the authority to do more or less anything that is not expressly prohibited by the first eight amendments. And with the contemporary submission of Congress to the Executive, the debate is now between the States and the Executive.

    The present debate is constitutionally necessary and long overdue. As the debate unfolds, hopefully not into a full-blown constitutional crisis – the last one resulted in the Civil War – partisan politics and party loyalties will undoubtedly be the surface politics on the television screen and talk radio. Will the public realize that the Constitution is not what George W. Bush called “just a goddamned piece of paper”? Since the Republican and Democratic Congresses have been missing in action, it’s time for the States to reclaim Jefferson’s “half a loaf.”

    Brad K. Berner formerly taught at Arizona State University and is currently living and teaching in Moscow, Russia.

  27. paulie cannoli Post author

    Izviniti, Gospodin Berner…

    Interesting history, but I didn’t see the relation it has to this month-old article. Could you explain, please? Maybe there was something in the comments I glossed over?

    Incidentally, this was actually most likely a hoax, it turns out in retrospect…

    the Constitution [..] George W. Bush called “just a goddamned piece of paper”

    …although, he certainly may have thought it, or said it in private.

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