Libertarian Party national HQ: ‘We’re in trouble, send money’

Letter from the LP Watergate headquarters in DC, signed by national chair Bill Redpath:

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Posted by Brian Miller at Delaware Libertarian

84 thoughts on “Libertarian Party national HQ: ‘We’re in trouble, send money’

  1. VirtualGalt

    Well I’m not surprised, the financial package I saw here before the Dec LNC meeting showed they were basically out of money.

    Can’t wait to walk around St Louis with my broom. (I’m tentatively calling it “Operation Clean Sweep.”)

    That is, if we last that long.

    How my classification by the putative head of a large LP caucus as an “enemy” figures into my ultimate strategy, will be revealed at a time and place of my choosing.

  2. Libertarian Joseph

    hmm. I think they should cut spending. I like the LP as a political party, but what the hell, man? I looked over their expenses, and it just seemed that they have alot of wasteful spending.

    I’m a BTP member now.

  3. paulie cannoli Post author

    My responses at Delaware Libertarian

    paulie said…

    Funny, I don’t remember getting one. Maybe I just forgot?

    Anyway, maybe you’re right, and we need to just ignore the LNC since it is not getting much accomplished, focus on doing those things ourselves outside of the LNC, and then maybe – if we think it’s worth it – bring some people to St. Louis; and if we don’t, we can continue to function independently. What do you say?
    January 1, 2009 6:34 AM
    paulie said…

    B] As for the “nobody gets LGBT in Alabama,” please don’t even bother with that argument. Outright was founded in the Southeastern United States — a plurality of its membership, and a great deal of its leadership is based there. Our national chair Rob Power is from Tennessee. We know all about rural southeastern lobbying around LGBT issues because we do it everyday — more than our Republican and Democratic counterparts.

    p] Right on. Any info that you want to pass along for what has worked in that regard in Tennessee or other surrounding states would be appreciated by the Alabama party. And thank you for you work!

    B] At this point, I am chronicling the end of the Libertarian National Committee as we know it.

    B] A large number of people are being “quiet,” and/or “nice” in order to preserve their status in an institution that’s hit an iceberg and taking on water.

    p] Not me. I have extremely low status, if any at all (just ask Sean Haugh). I’m more interested in moving the cause of liberty forward than whether the LNC survives, dies, or changes from a lizard to a butterfly. I don’t care which party does it, or if we do it in some way that does not involve a political party.

    p] If the LNC is failing to get that job done, let’s organize other committees to fulfill specific tasks that they are failing to do. Here is one:

    http://freedomballotaccess.org/

    We have both petitioners and telephone fundraisers ready to go, and one state we have already contracted with. We need lists of people for our fundraisers to call, and any help in that regard would be appreciated – as, of course, would actual contributions by anyone reading. If anyone reading has a personal beef with the folks at Freedom Ballot Access, you can donate to the Alabama Libertarian Party instead, or to the West Virginia Libertarian Party. Hopefully more states soon.

    Here is another one:

    College Libertarian Organizing Committee

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2421661756

    http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2007/08/03/college-libertarian-organizing-committee-2/

    p] Most recently I have talked to WV LP chair Matt Harris. He has experience filing 501c3 paperwork and is willing to do so if anyone here (or anywhere else) is willing to kick in $300 to cover the filing fees.

    B] The Libertarian Party no longer has credibility with a large swathe of the freedom movement. It no longer has credibility with audiences that once respected it. To the degree that it has preserved SOME credibility, it has done so at the cost of the integrity of individual Libertarians, who have danced fast and loose to spin the Barr/Root ticket as a “boon for freedom” to a very skeptical media.

    B] Speaking of media, how many media releases from LNC headquarters get published in major media? Or even niche non-libertarian media? None. Outright, which is smaller and less well-funded, got 47 media sources to cover the Barr campaign. Funnily enough, we did it by using the proper appellations for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people (the latter two groups aren’t even covered by the term “homosexual.”)

    p] OK. Please share as much knowledge as possible about what has worked for you in terms of getting media coverage. I’ve told you – I think it was several months ago – that I am available to help in these media efforts, which can also be a separate committee which is organized separately from the LNC by self-selected volunteers. If you don’t want my help, that’s OK. But I haven’t seen any public call for other interested people to help, so for all you know you may have all sorts of would be volunteers that just have not been asked.

    B] Finally, yes, Paulie, if you had orchestrated the nomination of Cindy Sheehan as LNC nominee for president, participated in an effort to remove the economic freedom planks from our platform AND were sitting on our platform committee while prominently displaying a “Workers’ World Weekly” banner on your web site, I’d be equally critical.

    p] OK, Comrade Miller, I’ll keep that in mind for when I do exactly that in 2012. LOL. In the meantime, can we please devote 10% of the time we are currently spending discussing what the LNC is NOT doing, and …um…just do it ourselves, maybe? Even though some people think I’m a communist, and some people think my friend Steve Gordon is a homophobic Republican, maybe all of us can find a few issues we can agree on and actually do something to move the ball down the field on those issues?

    B] Let’s revisit the situation in 12 months and see just where the LNC is. It’s an organization dependent on donations of discretionary income, running short of cash at the start of a brutal recession, chasing away longtime members, seeing its budget shrink to a tiny fraction of where it was in the Browne campaign days, engaged in meaningless internal debates without a single major policy idea or statement to deal with ANY of the nation’s challenges. It ran a neocon ticket with a neocon platform that a majority of American small-l libertarians couldn’t get behind. And it’s still focused inwardly, even as it implodes. Calling out the problems in a public forum represents the last opportunity many of us have to try and arrest the death spiral — certainly, none of “our” LNC reps or staff take our calls or emails, since they’re busy courting the GOP or plotting against other members of their body.

    Cheers,

    Brian

    p] Yeah, we could do that. Or we could just do what we think the LNC should be doing, without all the bureaucracy, and maybe even have half a chance of derailing the cattle cars before they arrive to take us to the FEMA camps.

    One love,

    Convicted criminal comrade paulie (CCCP)

  4. VirtualGalt

    engaged in meaningless internal debates without a single major policy idea or statement to deal with ANY of the nation’s challenges.

    Indeed. You have the Barr/Root types who seem (to me anyway) as being Republicanism without Christianism. (At least until I heard about Root’s forthcoming book!) OTOH you have the so called radicals whose position apparently is (a) defund the government completely and immediately without exception, (b) repudiate the national debt in its entirety, (c) toss 80 year olds out in the cold, and (d) tell 30 year veterans in VA hospitals to hit the streets with their pencils.

    I rejected the former, and was then rejected by the latter. So I am now a stateless entity LOL!

  5. G.E.

    (a) defund the government completely and immediately without exception, (b) repudiate the national debt in its entirety, (c) toss 80 year olds out in the cold, and (d) tell 30 year veterans in VA hospitals to hit the streets with their pencils.

    I like it!

  6. George Phillies

    Virtual Galt

    It sounds as though you may be a Libertarian Centrist.

    See us at http://www. LibertyForAmerica.com

    Mind you, why any Libertarian Party supporter in her right mind would send money to a libertarian group that promises, in the course of a 1.2 million dollar budget, to spend under 1% of that amount on political activity, is not obvious. Assuming, of course, that the supporter in question can win a duel of wits with her pop toaster, never mind his more complicated kitchen appliances.

  7. Ayn R. Key

    Bill shouldn’t get ALL the blame. Aaron Starr is the treasurer, is he not?

    And Starr is quite good at making sure those who would donate, the radicals and the povertarians, will spit this request back in the face of the national LP.

    It is Starr who came up with the brilliant idea to have conventions on cruise ships.

  8. mdh

    I would venture that the majority of us who post on LP-related threads believe in the free market. Perhaps the LNC has simply failed to deliver what folks expected from it and it is not getting as much funding because folks don’t see the value? If that’s the case, then perhaps the LNC ought to address those issues and provide better value to contributors.
    I like to think that the LPWV, despite being financially tiny, provides good value to those who contribute or maintain memberships. Most of our money goes to political action, or to enabling volunteers to participate in political action. At the end of the day, it’s the choice of each individual where their money goes, except with regards to the government. Therefore private enterprises – including the national LP – need to remember that they are competitors in the market.
    The market does work, even if some folks don’t always care for the outcome.

  9. Libertarian Joseph

    I wonder if the LP would do better if they make membership free. I think requiring dues dicourages more “blue collar” signups, especially now that money is more tight.

  10. paulie cannoli Post author

    Zero dues (2006) was one of the biggest screwups in LP history. They had to back away from it after a few months, but not before losing close to half the paid members (still not recovered to pre-zero dues levels) without gaining any more non-dues paying members than before.

  11. Libertarian Joseph

    Then there would be financial interest + bonuses to get people signed up. The bonuses include cars, cruises, whatever, to the best recruiters. That’s how mlms typically work.

  12. Libertarian Joseph

    Really? darn. I guess there’s nothing to do but tinker with dues and get focus on outreach. The LP will make it, I just think that, while the organization will shrink, membership will be pretty consistent.

  13. Gene Trosper

    I just LOVE what it says on top of the monetary plea:

    “URGENT CONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM”.

    C’mon. A person would have to be really naive to actually believe that, especially since one can post these things openly to the Internet.

    I can just imagine someone at home opening the envelope and saying with awe: “Look Marge, the LP sent me an urgent and confidential memorandum!”

  14. Marc Montoni

    Technically speaking, the LP has always had “zero dues”. The change in 2006 didn’t implement zero dues because it was already in force. “Zero Dues 2006” was a harebrained idea that only changed the formula for delegate apportionment to LP national conventions. In other words, it was all about re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic’s butt.

    LJ, if you’d like a somewhat coherent explanation of LP membership definitions/policies, see my writeup on the subject.

  15. paulie cannoli Post author

    Takes about 1 sec.

    I saw the same comment left several other places, off topic and on multiple posts, and revealing personal information that the person being talked about wants hidden. I zapped it from the two sites where I can zap it.

    I would call that spam. What would you call it?

  16. George Phillies

    mdh writes “Most of our money goes to political action, or to enabling volunteers to participate in political action.”

    I suppose it is possible to be more completely wrong, but you would have to work on it very very hard.

    Not only is it not true that almost all the money goes to political action, but in the 2009 budget the percent going to legitimate political action is only slightly above as the party’s 2008 Presidential vote percentage.

  17. paulie cannoli Post author

    OK, then let’s raise money independently through self-organized volunteer committees until/unless we get better management at national.

  18. G.E.

    It takes longer to delete “spam” comments than it does for the would-be spammer to register. The quality of commentary has gone down noticeably in the few days since registration requirements (under which the site was built, btw) were suspended, and I’m not the only one who thinks so. But whatever. I have no stake in this anymore (I think IPR is even off my server now), so do your thang.

  19. paulie cannoli Post author

    If by several days you mean two, that’s true, and bear in mind that we are just starting to get over server switch technical issues.

    Several legit commenters were complaining about the comment registration messing up and I remember having issues with it when I first tried to sign up. I’m sure other people had problems but did not know how to tell us.

    It’s up to Trent. Either way some people won’t like it. But somehow LFV, NFV and TPW have all been able to make do for years without comment registration. I’m hoping we can make it work also.

  20. G.E.

    And somehow, IPR was able to build itself up amid all of those other sites and overtake them WITH comment registration.

  21. Jerry S.

    Bloated salaries and high priced office space = .40 of 1% in the POTUS race. A house cleaning and move is past due…

    Boarderline FRAUD is a no no…

  22. Steven Druckenmiller

    The quality of commentary has gone down noticeably in the few days since registration requirements

    Oh no, you were commenting here before registration was abolished.

  23. Steve Trinward

    re: Paulie’s comment —

    Zero dues (2006) was one of the biggest screwups in LP history. They had to back away from it after a few months, but not before losing close to half the paid members (still not recovered to pre-zero dues levels) without gaining any more non-dues paying members than before.

    This is not the first time the LP was at the brink of bankruptcy. That last time, the then-LNC created several things that could have been the way out of that:

    * limiting the general budget to core functions of administering the party’s affairs;

    * shifting from a membership-dues club to a real political organization (donors, pledgers, contributors, etc.); AND

    * creating the “self-funding project” paradigm, whereby donations were made to SPECIFIC purposes, with 10% off the top going to LPHQ for admin costs to handle the bookkeeping, etc.

    Redpath and his minions (Starr among them) chose to trash the pilot program for this (what better test than to see if people would donate specifically for ballot-access, instead of seeing a piece of their “dues” go there automatically, in order to find out if one of the biggest time/money-sinks in the LP panorama is actually considered a good thing by the party’s supporters?).

    There was then no way to “do things” without trashing the donor/pledger/etc. model … and returning to “dues” (at least we’d killed off the UMP Ponzi scheme along the way …)

    a pox on all their houses … chickens returning to roost

  24. Libertarian Joseph

    The LP isn’t going anywhere. I just think that the national should cut the budget, national should mostly be concerned with aiding state projects. Like, for example, if Texas NJ LP wants to rent out some building, maybe the national LP could pay those fees. That’s what the national should be about IMO.

  25. Catholic Trotskyist

    With the Green Party also in trouble, maybe the best situation would be for both national parties to collapse and the state affilliates of both parties to concentrate on their own states. Its been working well for the Illinois Green Party and the Florida and Georgia Libertarian Parties, at least. Maybe this would be better for the Constitution Party also. They could still have presidential candidates, but would be more of a federation of independent parties like Perot and Nader.

    Joseph, I could have sworn that just a month or two ago you were saying that the BTP is a waste of time. And now you are a member? For that flip-flop, you should be demanded to change your name to “Tea Party Joseph” instead of “Libertarian Joseph.”

    The Alliance of the Libertarian Left is a good group and I hope it continues to rise up, as the Libertarian Party continues to fall aaprt and the Barr/Root factions migrate to the Republican and Constitution parties. Hopefully it can work with the Catholic Trotskyist Parties on some issues, though it will not be joining the alliance because of its avowedly statist orientation and tendencies.

  26. Michael H. Wilson

    Virtual Galt writes: “OTOH you have the so called radicals whose position apparently is (a) defund the government completely and immediately without exception, (b) repudiate the national debt in its entirety, (c) toss 80 year olds out in the cold, and (d) tell 30 year veterans in VA hospitals to hit the streets with their pencils.”

    V.G. I have been in the party 28 years at least. I have heard a few people talk this way, but there are even fewer who believe it can or will take place and damn few who suggest it.

    I consider myself pretty radical and many of those I work with on issues are in the same boat, but we don’t talk this way. So please don’t paint us with that broad brush.

    MW

  27. Gary Fincher

    Why would anyone want to send dues to a national party that has staff members attempting to burn (quite literally) donors funds?

  28. Thomas M. Sipos

    The LP leadership is sending a contradictory message: (1) They say membership is way up because of Barr/Root, and (2) they that income is way down.

    How come all those new members aren’t flooding the LP with dollars?

    Root, as always, is trying to play all sides. He praised Barr at the convention, but is now trying to spin himself as a radical who is blameless for Barr’s campaign failures, yet Root also claims credit for the LP’s “second highest” vote totals.

    Root doubtless wants credit for the increase in membership, but no blame for the downturn in donations. He claims to be a radical while he courts praise on the neocon Fox News network.

    If the LP has financial troubles, some of the blame belongs to Barr, and some of it to Root. It’s not all Redpath and Starr’s doing.

    Barr/Root have spun the LP as a Republican splinter group. Root is also using the LP to boost his own career, such as by using his candidacy as a platform from which to launch his book.

    The LP will continue to suffer as long as it’s perceived as a Fox News/GOP variant.

  29. Andy

    “Gary Fincher // Jan 2, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Why would anyone want to send dues to a national party that has staff members attempting to burn (quite literally) donors funds.”

    Sean Haugh is no longer employeed by LP National. There are others who ought to go, but getting rid of Haugh was a step in the right direction.

  30. Steven R Linnabary

    p] Most recently I have talked to WV LP chair Matt Harris. He has experience filing 501c3 paperwork and is willing to do so if anyone here (or anywhere else) is willing to kick in $300 to cover the filing fees.

    I’m not so sure this is a good idea. 501c3 status might give somebody a warm, fuzzy feeling of actually “being a real entity”. But it DOES have a legal meaning, and it is NOT of being a political party. It is an IRS designation for an educational organization.

    And “educational” organizations are forbidden to participate in electoral activities. That might fit some state LP’s, but someday they MIGHT want to actually run candidates. 501c3 status DOES give an organization the right to collect tax deductible contributions.

    But the LP is a POLITICAL PARTY, not an educational organization as described by the IRS. The fact that most states do not recognize any opposition parties is irrelevant.

    PEACE

  31. paulie cannoli Post author

    Thanks Steven.

    The group I am looking at putting together would not be affiliated with a political party and would not be running candidates. It is a group for ideological small l libertarian campus outreach. This would appeal to the greatest number of people to participate as members, and allow contributions to the group to be unlimited, anonymous and tax-deductible.

    However, there is no reason why the same people who charter each campus club can not also charters a campus and/or county party organization, run for office, and do all other party activities as a separate entity. Once they are identified and activated it is much easier to get them involved in these ways.

  32. sunshinebatman

    Maybe if the LP and/or its Presidential Candidate had the balls to man up and challenge the usurper-elect Barry’s Constitutional qualifications, I might give a shit.

    Dr. Gail Lighfoot, an LP member and Dr Paul’s VP candidate in California, has balled up on this and is an active plaintiff on the SCOTUS docket. Where is the LNC on this?

    I see per wiki Dr Lightfoot also ran unsuccessfully for vice-president at the 2008 Libertarian National Convention, garnering only 2.5% of the total vote.

    Maybe Gail should get together with Wayne Root and think about what Barry was doing when no one in Wayne & Barry’s class at Columbia remembered Barry”?

    Maybe Barry was in Pakistan? On a Kenyan passport? “Independent Study” for his new Columbia Prof Zbigniew Breziznski? Maybe coordinating with Zbig’s “Special assistant” Robert Gates who was busy setting up Al-CIAda in Pakistan at the time?

    Are Barry’s various citizenships classified? Perhaps the LNC could hold a media event with these two.? Maybe Barr would care to chime in on this? Didn’t he come in third in a few states after Barry and the Panamanian guy? Hello? Anyone?

    PS. Happy 2009.

  33. sunshinebatman

    That’s a form letter, genius. Try to use some critical thinking skills. Are you an LP donor?

    Of course Barry got a degree from Columbia. The question is how much if any time did he spend on campus — and how often was he away on workstudy for the CIA? Capice?

  34. Coming on the back of the LP

    LP haha haha

    yeah, go after Obama’s citizenship – that should be the last nail in your coffin – I must say LP sheep are waking up and bucking the shearing faster than I even expected LOL

    The real question you fools need to ask to make yourself look even more laughable, is Obama really the antichrist? After all it would take magical powers for his mother to get to Kenya and back with the money she had in those days, and nobody saw her?

    Why go to Kenya? Or Pakistan? Indonesia? Why the sudden rise to power? Haven’t you watched THE OMEN and ROSEMARY’s BABY you LP fruitcakes? LOLOL

    Yeah man up LP pleeze make my day, it will be the funniest thing EVAH.

    Sunshine batman – You can start a state, county, city or precinct affiliate – whatever level your local LoserPosers are not organized – and put out the battiest press releases you can think of as LP – it will be a HOOT!

    Just one thing spoils your narrative, Barr came in fourth. Oops. That would make Nader president, LOL. But maybe we can claim he was really born in Lebanon? Has anyone asked to see HIS birth certificate…? LOLOLOLOL

  35. Coming on the back of the LP

    …pregnant, 18-year old college student Ann Dunham took a transatlantic flight in her third trimester – in 1961 – gave birth, smuggled back her kid, and managed to keep this secret from everyone….

    Who else but the antichrist could arrange this?

    1961….looks the same if you flip it around…satanic inversions, yes? Wow…some fruitbattish searches online should be enough to write a press release for Losers Posers of BFE

  36. derkel

    George Phillies said,

    “I suppose it is possible to be more completely wrong, but you would have to work on it very very hard.

    Not only is it not true that almost all the money goes to political action, but in the 2009 budget the percent going to legitimate political action is only slightly above as the party’s 2008 Presidential vote percentage.”

    I suppose you could possess worse reading comprehension, but it would be difficult.

    Notice, mdh said the “LPWV.” Not the LNC.

  37. John C Jackson

    If no one at Columbia remembered Barry, perhaps it was because he was studying. That’s what I and most people I know did in college. Maybe Barry was quietly studying somewhere and people knew Root because he was on campus doing Ginzu knife demonstrations or pestering people about joining his Amway organization. Who knows. Obama can’t win. If he was quietly studying, no one knew him. If he had been active on campus he would be labeled as some angry black agitator, I’m sure.

  38. Brian Miller

    Maybe Barry was quietly studying somewhere and people knew Root because he was on campus doing Ginzu knife demonstrations or pestering people about joining his Amway organization.

    Now THAT’S hilarious.

    Someone should interview Obama and ask him if he knew of Root… maybe Root’s the guy who didn’t really go there. 😉

  39. George Phillies

    I can readily be convinced that the reference was to the efficient way the LPWV spent its money not the way the topic of the thread, the LNC spent its money, in which case I apologize for misreading the author’s intent. Mean while how did the LNC spend its money, for the period around the election?

    The Libertarian National Committee has made its FEC filing for the period October 16-November 24, 2008. For the period, they raised $144,639 and spent $141,096. The totals to date for the year are then $1,570,548 in income and $1,670,914 in expenditures. Over the past 8 years LNC income for a Presidential election year has fallen by more than half, while at the same time fixed expenses such as office rent and web support have increased markedly. In 2004 for the same October-November period the LNC raised $213,826 and spent $263,271 … In 2000, for the October-November period the LNC raised more than twice as much as 2004, namely $437,583 out of a year total-to-date of $3,159,471.

    And what did the LNC do with your money? For starters, they actually spent a little money on real politics, namely $11,000 of non-candidate-specific radio ads. They paid staff, a net of $18,401. For an organization that professes to believe that social security retirement is a scam that is sure not to pay, they spent very little money ($1,241 for 401K and matching) on retirement benefits for their staff.

    They also spent money on:
    Employees $29,938 including pay, retirement, unemployment, etc.
    Mailings $21,779
    Politics $18,675
    Office $18,407, including rent, office equipment, and supplies.
    Information Technology $17,977
    Consultants $12,690
    Legal expenses $7,564
    Staff Travel $4,320
    Moving money around $3042
    D&O Insurance 821

    For complete details, see The Daily Liberty thedailyliberty. com

  40. Thomas M. Sipos

    sunshinebatman: “Of course Barry got a degree from Columbia. The question is how much if any time did he spend on campus — and how often was he away on workstudy for the CIA? Capice?”

    No, I don’t “capice.” Work study for the CIA? You sound like a tinfoil hat nut.

    Root seems to have an Obama obsession, because they were both at the same social position in Columbia, but Obama went on to become president, while Root is an infomercial huckster who couldn’t even get a third party presidential nomination.

    Root blames affirmative action. However, while I disagree with many of Obama’s policies, I believe that he is a better man than Root. The better man (if not the better policies) won.

  41. Libertarian Joseph

    Employees $29,938 including pay, retirement, unemployment, etc. – everyone should be a volunteer. no pay

    Mailings $21,779 – should be increased, the LP should also look to cutting costs in what they’re mailing out.

    Politics $18,675 – what?

    Office $18,407, including rent, office equipment, and supplies. – Necessity, I suppose

    Information Technology $17,977 – um, what?

    Consultants $12,690 – why bother?

    Legal expenses $7,564 – for what? lawsuits. not always a bad idea

    Staff Travel $4,320 – There should be no staff travel, most communication should be accomplished through internet networking

    Moving money around $3042 – What is this?

    D&O Insurance 821 – What is this?

  42. Coming on the back of the LP

    “everyone should be a volunteer. no pay”

    Brilliant, I agree! I want the LP to die too.

  43. sludge puppy

    Having been in the U.S. government I have a pretty good idea what confidential means. This ain’t it.

    What I’d like to know is what the money was spent on consultants for and who those consultants were. That’s $12,690.
    Then there is the IT work at $17,977 what does that consist of?

  44. darolew

    I feel that, dollar-for-dollar, there are better investments in liberty than the LP; I’m not sure why anyone would pour more money into what seems to be a fairly ineffective organization.

    I don’t hold it against the LP that they’re begging for money — LvMI and LRC do it too, along with other libertarian organizations — but the money that they do get seems to be poorly spent, which is the real issue.

    Perhaps it’s time to ask whether a (explicitly) libertarian party was ever a good idea; perhaps it’s time to let the LP, or at least the national LP, fade away.

    We’ll see.

  45. derkel

    “Then there is the IT work at $17,977 what does that consist of?”

    The new LP site is a huge upgrade from the old one. For IT purposes, I would assume that is actually a really small number.

  46. Rocky Eades

    @49 sunshinebatman:

    Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it. In which case there will be nationwide riots and marital law – imposed by the DOD’s NorthCom – or don’t you read the news?

  47. paulie cannoli Post author

    Well, yeah, there would be, except that it is not going to happen.

    Things that are more likely to happen than the courts ruling that Obama is not a natural born citizen on or before 2009.01.20:

    1. Bush declaring martial law and staying in office

    2. The KKK outsmarting the Secret Service

    3. BHO keeling over from a heart attack

    4. A meteor ending all human life

    5. Sudden reversal of the north and south poles

    6. The entire leadership of the country and all other countries coming out of the closet as shape-shifting reptiles from outer space

    7. An anarcho-capitalist revolution followed by the immediate advent of the Second Coming of Christ

    More seriously, a collapse of the dollar does not seem too unlikely. Additional terrorist attacks on a larger scale than 9/11 and/or massive outbreaks of deadly infectious disease seem plausible. More, larger, Katrina-like disasters – certainly possible. I think NorthCom has more to do with those than any fantasy that the courts will find Obama ineligible.

  48. sunshinebatman

    Thanks to Mr. Sipos for confirming that his statist “education” and concomitant psychological conditioning has rendered him too functionally retarded to even understand a straightforward question. His frothing vacuousness is emblematic of the failure of third parties to provide any real alternative to the current power structure.

  49. George Phillies

    With respect to “what does the spending consist of”, you might usefully reread the sentence

    “For complete details, see The Daily Liberty thedailyliberty. com”

    and realize that the URL Link answers some of your questions.

  50. VirtualGalt

    Well, by means of some comparison, the Democratic National Committee, for the midOct/midNov period, reported expenditures of $51 million. In a month. $194mm year to date. That of course does not include the senate and congressional cmtes, the state parties, the individual candidates, or the $514mm minimum spent by Saint Barack.

    So our hundred and some odd thousand, against that backdrop, is like the buzzing of a gnat’s wings.

    We are never going to have any measure of success if we are trying to be “just like the big boys and girls”, and do things just like the big boys and girls do, but with 0.1% of the budget. We will never rise above the chatter that way.

    The answer, I would suggest, is to go where they’re not… and do what they don’t.

  51. Rocky Eades

    @75 – I agree.

    You might add the possibility that the Maya may have been a couple of years off on their calendar due to “rounding off” and time will come to an end earlier than expected.

  52. Jerry S.

    @78
    Guerilla warfare eh? In more ways than one I’m afraid. A gnat doesn’t bother an elephant or a jackass much.

    Keep your powder dry…

    AS for NLP they could let the lease run out at the high priced Watergate and move the Nat Office to each state HQ where the Nat.Convention will be held each two years. Pay those state workers a commission on the funds they actually collect for NLP not a bloated salary. It needs to become a lean mean fightin’ machine, not a bloated Republican club enriching only a few (non-producers at that) at the top…

  53. Susan Hogarth

    VG:
    You write:
    OTOH you have the so called radicals whose position apparently is (a) defund the government completely and immediately without exception, (b) repudiate the national debt in its entirety, (c) toss 80 year olds out in the cold, and (d) tell 30 year veterans in VA hospitals to hit the streets with their pencils.

    Exaggerate much?

    As MW pointed out, this is the position of some radicals but not all. What IS an actual stated position of the caucus is more concerned with (re)radicalizing the LP than with the sort of specific policy-level statement you mentioned:

    http://www.lpradicals.org/pages/home/key-points.php

    To imagine that you don’t belong in a caucus because you disagree with what some folks reported as their personal opinions in an informal discussion is a bit overly sensitive, don’t you think?

    When speaking of strategy, you say:

    The answer, I would suggest, is to go where they’re [D and R) not… and do what they don’t.

    And that is a pretty widely – though not universally – held opinion on strategy within the radical caucus.

  54. paulie cannoli Post author

    The LP could ask for a bailout…everybody else is!

    Subject: [Libertariansfor911Truth] Porn industry seeks federal bailout
    To: Libertariansfor911Truth@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:11 PM

    Porn industry seeks federal bailout

    Posted: 03:00 PM ET

    From CNN’s Rebecca Sinderbrand and Mark Preston

    Larry Flynt is asking for a bailout.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Another major American industry is asking for assistance as the global financial crisis continues: Hustler publisher Larry Flynt and Girls Gone Wild CEO Joe Francis said Wednesday they will request that Congress allocate $5 billion for a bailout of the adult entertainment industry.

    “The take here is that everyone and their mother want to be bailed out from the banks to the big three,” said Owen Moogan, spokesman for Larry Flynt. “The porn industry has been hurt by the downturn like everyone else and they are going to ask for the $5 billion. Is it the most serious thing in the world? Is it going to make the lives of Americans better if it happens? It is not for them to determine.”

    Francis said in a statement that “the US government should actively support the adult industry’s survival and growth, just as it feels the need to support any other industry cherished by the American people.”

    “We should be delivering [the request] by the end of today to our congressmen and [Secretary of the Treasury Henry] Paulson asking for this $5 billion dollar bailout,” he told CNN Wednesday.

    Flynt and Francis concede the industry itself is in no financial danger — DVD sales have slipped over the past year, but Web traffic has continued to grow.

    But the industry leaders said the issue is a nation in need. “People are too depressed to be sexually active,” Flynt said in the statement. “This is very unhealthy as a nation. Americans can do without cars and such but they cannot do without sex.”

    “With all this economic misery and people losing all that money, sex is the farthest thing from their mind. It’s time for congress to rejuvenate the sexual appetite of America. The only way they can do this is by supporting the adult industry and doing it quickly.”

    So far, there has been no congressional reaction to the request.

    –CNN’s Chloe Melas contributed to this report

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