Green Party results for European Union Elections

The Green Party is an international movement. The Green Party of the United States (GP-US) is connected with other Green Parties through various organizations and associations. The basic values of the Green Party can be described with the four pillars: Non-violence; Social and Economic Justice; Ecological Wisdom and Grassroots Democracy.

The GP-US has sent a media update to its state chapters with a link to the European Greens website, which gives Green Party elections results for the European Union Parliament elections held this week. The chart is: here.

In most of the EU countries, the Green Party elected zero to two MEP’s. Here are some of the more interesting results:

Overall, in the European Union Elections, the Green Party elected 46 MEP’s (plus one in Spain which is listed as a possible.)

In France, the Green Party  elected 13 MEP’s. In Germany, 14 MEP’s. In Ireland, the Green Party earned zero MEP’s in the European Union election. And, reports here and here from Ireland show that there was also a local backlash against the Green Party, who had made a coalition with the Fianna Fail. In Sweden, the Green Party doubled their MEP’s to two. In the Netherlands, the Green Party elected 3 MEP’s.

Green Party Watch has a post about the Finnish, French and Greek Green Party results: here.

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Related stories:

Spiegel On-Line International notes that, “The 2009 elections to the European Parliament were marked by historically low voter turnout and victories for center-right and right-wing parties.”  The full story and detailed results of all parties in all European Union countries from Spiegel are: here.

In Sweden, the Feminist Initiative party (F!), did not earn an MEP. Though, it did make a big gain in its voting percentage. The story is: here.

Also of interest in Sweden, the Pirate Party – a new party which calls for online civil rights and reform of copyright law – gained a great victory by winning its first MEP in the EU. The story is: here.

41 thoughts on “Green Party results for European Union Elections

  1. Ross Levin

    How many seats are there in the parliament? I think there are about 730, but I’m not sure. 46 out of 730 would be about 6.5% of the seats in parliament.

  2. Catholic Trotskyist

    The European Parliament has 736 seats. I think the Greens did a little better than in the 2004 elections, which is good I guess since they are actually winning seats. As long as they aren’t costing the Socialists any seats that are now going to right-wingers.
    It’s good that the Pirate Party won in Sweden instead of the Feminist Party.

  3. mdh

    The pirate party winning one is freaking cool. They have a libertarian-ish platform, if I recall correctly.
    Or at least they did a few years ago when they were just getting started.

  4. Peter M.

    I guess the Pirate Party would be described as “libertarian-ish,” though it seems like they got most of their votes from otherwise Vänster voters (at least, compared to the 2004 results). My feeling is that they are a little more left-wing that most people give them credit, though I haven’t seen a full platform.

  5. Michael Cavlan

    These are the words of a former Green in Ireland, who left them because of their betrayals. She is a former Green MEP.

    Oh wait, she is a dreaded destructo-green.
    It is her fault that the Greens failed so badly in the last election in Ireland.

    Right?

    Former Greens call on the Green Party to withdraw from Government

    Calling for The Greens
    to Leave Government
    Independent Euro candidate and former MEP Patricia McKenna is calling for the Green Party to withdraw from Government. Her call is being backed by former Green Party Councillors Chris O’Leary and Betty Doran.

    They are appealing to the Green Party to do what is needed for Ireland by pulling out of government, thus causing a general election. If the Greens stand behind what Fianna Fáil is currently trying to do, they will be participating in economic treason. If they allow NAMA – which has the taxpayers riding to the rescue of banks that were bankrupted with the help of Fianna Fáil leaders and their cronies – to be voted through, there will be no going back and the people of this nation will be footing the bill for generations to come. The Government has no mandate to go ahead with NAMA. The only democratic action would be to ask the people what options they prefer to take to help address the current crisis.

    Her call is being backed by former Green Party Councillors Chris O’Leary and Betty Doran.

    They believe that the further squandering of taxpayers’ money into the Anglo Irish Bank is reckless. The money the government is putting into the Anglo Irish Bank is equal to the cuts made in the draconian 2009 special budget. Taxpayers should know that their sacrifice is going to be squandered.

    The Green Party in the past had an impeccable record of exposing corruption and I am appealing to them to do the honourable thing and save this country from disaster. They were not responsible for bringing the country into this economic mess. However, if they stand behind what Fianna Fáil is currently trying to do, they will be participating in economic treason. It now appears that the only way to save the country is for the Green Party to pull out of the governing coalition regardless of the consequences to the party in the immediate future. I believe that they will reap the rewards in the end.

    If the Greens stay in Government with Fianna Fáil and allow NAMA – which has the taxpayers riding to the rescue of banks that were bankrupted with the help of Fianna Fáil leaders and their cronies – to be voted through, there will be no going back and the people of this nation will be footing the bill for generations to come.

    The Government has no mandate to go ahead with NAMA. The only democratic and accountable action would be to ask the people what options they prefer to take to help address our current crisis. There are many options being out forward: Fine Gael has proposed the concept of a ‘Good Banks’ scheme and this is worth examining as it seems less likely to saddle the public with bad debts and continual injections of public money provided by taxpayers.

    Both Labour and Sinn Féin are advocating nationalization of banks. However this means that the public will have to take on all the bad debts of the banks. It is vital that all options are carefully examined before any government forges blindly ahead with so called solutions that may make the situation even worse.

    Many Fianna Fáil voters did not vote Fianna Fáil back into office to bail out banks at their expense and burden their children with massive debts.

    The Government is making a huge commitment with taxpayers’ money, the legality of which has been already called into question. This commitment should not be taken without a general election. The NAMA proposal is being carried out behind closed doors. The agreement with the religious orders was carried out in the same way -without the involvement and behind the backs of those most relevant, the victims. This is exactly the same approach and the people most relevant in this situation, Ireland’s taxpayers, are being kept out of the equation. We cannot allow any government to make this mistake again.

    The Green Party’s Niall Ó Brolcháin was quoted yesterday saying that if Fianna Fáil sustains huge loses there should be a general election. He is right, but there is a need to go a step further and say that the reason for a general election is much more imperative. It is not just about the electoral success or failure of any party, but- it’s about the people, their children, their pensions, their future and their hard-earned cash.

  6. Danny S

    In the UK, two third parties are notable.

    UKIP, the fourth largest political party in the UK that is considered euro-skeptic and somewhat libertarian, has won 13 seats. This is up from 12 in 2004, although 2 of those original seats later left the party. The UKIP beat Labour, the party currently in control of British government. It placed second behind the Conservative Party.

    BNP, the British Nationalist Party, won 2 seats. This is up from the zero it originally held. It is also largely euro-skeptic but is criticized for racist and fascist tendencies.

  7. VAGreen

    The Greens went from 36 to 46 MEPs, with gains in several European countries. They came in third in France and Germany. Even though they didn’t win any new seats in Great Britain, their share of the vote went up.

    From the Associated Press:

    ‘Greens are also limited by the fact that mainstream parties often hijack their environmental platform.

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s government jumped on the green bandwagon two years ago with a popular discount for people buying low-emission cars.

    “It is because of the Greens that some issues gain prominence,” said Greenpeace’s director in Brussels, Jorge Riss. “They have been very important in setting the standards … in bringing issues to light.”‘

    Winning seats and getting their agenda adopted by other parties. Looks pretty good to me.

    “Oh wait, she is a dreaded destructo-green.
    It is her fault that the Greens failed so badly in the last election in Ireland.

    Right?”

    Parallels with the Green Party in this country are dubious at best. The Green Party is actually part of a governing coalition in Ireland during a severe recession; the policies of their coalition partner appear to be deeply unpopular. Hence their losses in the most recent elections.

    I see Patricia McKenna’s call for the Green Party to leave the governing coalition as very constructive criticism. The Green Party of Ireland would be wise to have no part of the bank bailouts.

    There is a difference between constructive and destructive criticism, and I have seen some of the former but much more of the latter directed at the Green Party of the United States. I have yet to hear the alternative program that the Destructo-Greens in our country have for the Green Party.

  8. Ross Levin

    Speaking of France, what’s their deal? Don’t they have a Socialist majority in the legislature but a neocon-y president?

  9. Peter M.

    No. The UMP won control of the National Assembly in 2007 (they might have had it in 2002 as well, but I’m not sure.) There was a “co-habitation” government (as the French call it) during Chirac’s first term in the 1990s, but the current government is a UMP presidential majority.

  10. Michael Cavlan

    Well, speaking as what these folks call a destro-green (that means anyone who is a critic of the GP leadership) I can tell you that we have been giving alternatives.

    Leave the national GP and organize. Which is exactly what we are doing. The national GP seem determined to continue it’s self destructive path.

    That is what many of us have done. I also work with some Greens, locally and their campaigns.

    In Minneapolis alone there are 6 campaigns. Some I support, some that I do not.

    Kimberley knows what I am talking about.

  11. Michael Cavlan

    Of course, I speak for those who are SERIOUS about building an alternative to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system.

    This is why I encourage people to leave the GP.

    Build, organize, agitate.

    Working with the National GP is a waste of time and energy.

    Oh, BTW hello Audrey AKA VA Green.

  12. VAGreen

    “Well, speaking as what these folks call a destro-green (that means anyone who is a critic of the GP leadership) I can tell you that we have been giving alternatives.

    Leave the national GP and organize. Which is exactly what we are doing. The national GP seem determined to continue it’s self destructive path.”

    Again, I’m happy to listen to constructive critics of the Green Party. I’m sometimes critical of the party myself. However, I never heard your alternative program when you and your pals were on the Green Party’s National Committee. I never heard any ideas about fundraising, ballot access, helping smaller state parties, recruiting candidates, getting more people to register Green, etc. The kind of stuff that builds a viable national political party.

    All I ever heard about was attacks on smaller state parties, smears against our staff, witch-hunts against “Demogreens” (one of the alleged “Demogreens” was Phil Huckelberry, who FOUGHT the corrupt Democratic machine in Illinois), bizarre conspiracy theories, and all sorts of other ad hominem attacks on other Greens. The kind of stuff that does nothing to build a viable national political party.

  13. Michael Cavlan

    Audrey

    Old discussion and quite frankly continuing on with it is a waste of time. But here we are.

    After all, all those evil Naderitte groupies and people of that ilk have been driven out. Just how many were there driven out anyway? Including those who did nothing BUT work on ballot Access (Danene Provencher) Fundraising (Nader and Company built a fine campaign war chest) I personally helped recruit candidates for the GP only to have people like your friends David Strand and Annie Young try and talk them into NOT running. As for smaller states, well we can go down that black hole, if you wish. You see Audrey, on this site there is no banning of Free Speech or stopping posting (like on the National GP Delegates list-serve and Green Party Watch) when the discussion and facts gets a little uncomfortable for you.

    At that point all you can do is

    a. resort to screaming ad homonym attacks or
    b. ignore the issue entirely.

    To use your own words, “fine way to build a viable national party.”

    Go with God. Fine way to run a sustainable organization.

    Kat Woods was right.

    Tell Phil, David Cobb, Pat LaMarche, Mike Feinstein, David McQuirkydale, Hugh Esco and all the rest I say hello.

    Go with God. You people killed that organization.. I expect you all to blame us when it dies. We could give a half a shit. We know the truth.

    I will tell John Murphy that you send greetings.

    I talk to him, Danene, Kat, Murphy, Liz Arnone and all the rest all the time.

    Now please, go back to your angry debate and gardening club. Some of us have serious organizing to do. You folks taught us a lot over the past 10 years.

  14. Kimberly Wilder

    Mike, I think you mean “Cat Woods” as among the Nader folks. “Kat” is how Kat Woods from Texas (a Cobby, clique-y kind of person) spells her name.

    Also, VA Green has to be kidding that they never heard us do anything constructive. That is just rhetoric. Many of the people like myself who complained, actually ran for local office ourselves. And, when we tried to do work in the party, they kept us off committees.

    It would be difficult to look at my record – publishing a Daily Greens newsletter for one ANMC, years of videos supporting Green Party candidates around the country, a blog that is super heavy on green and Green Party news, etc. – and claim that I did not do work. Absolutely ridiculous. And, a lot of the people attacked did try to run for local office or join committees. That is why the clique flagged them and started squeezing them out. It was a vicious cycle.

  15. Paulie

    Mike, I think you mean “Cat Woods” as among the Nader folks. “Kat” is how Kat Woods from Texas (a Cobby, clique-y kind of person) spells her name.

    kat swift?

  16. Dave Schwab

    From the Associated Press:

    “Riding a wave of public concern over the effects of climate change, the Green-European Freedom Alliance bloc captured 53 of the EU parliament’s 736 seats, compared with 43 spots in the last 785-seat assembly.

    “To have increased our side with the parliament seats going down in number is a nice surprise,” said Greens-EFA spokesman Chris Coakley.

    Green candidates now account for 46 of their Green-EFA’s seats, compared with 36 previously, according to the political bloc, which also includes independents and members of smaller pro-EU national parties. The bloc’s final size could change slightly, depending on alliances.

    Europe’s Greens were the only major bloc whose parliamentary proportion increased — from 5.5 percent to 7.1 percent in this election. Far-right groups and anti-EU parties, including the UK Independence Party, also saw big increases in the independent group.

    “People know you can’t deal with climate change without the EU. It’s probably the easiest link to make on what the EU is actually for,” said analyst Hugo Brady from the London-based Center for European Reform.

    The Greens — unique in campaigning on a common Europe-wide platform — proposed a “Green New Deal” economic plan to invest in environmental initiatives that would create “green-collar” jobs in renewable energy, social care, sustainable housing and public transportation.

    “The Greens were the big winners in this election,” said Jan Sundberg, professor of politics at the University of Helsinki. “They managed to get a united message out.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ildDdUGIWXPs6Sxqy4G9mn2kVarwD98MJRAG2

    Congratulations to the Greens/EFA. Green and growing!

  17. Michael Cavlan

    Kim and Paulie,

    Yeah it was Cat Woods, the very hard working Nader supporter from California. Not Kat Swift, the Cobb person from Texas, who had run for presidental nomination.

    Kimberley, you are 100% correct. I also had run for office (twice) as a green. It was one of their “buddies” in Minnesota, Annie Young who tried to talk me out of running. I went on to win the highest number of votes for endorsement, even with an organized attempt to endorse no-one for that or any statewide race. led by Annie Young, David Strand and Cam Gordon.

    In fact while VA Green (Audrey) stated that us “destructo-greens” (read that dissidents) did nothing but negative criticism, the truth was the exact opposite.

    Many of us and many of the Nader supporters had worked their hearts out for the GP. Cat Woods, Danene Provencher, Lix Arnone, Kristin Olson, yourself, me, hell the list is endless.

    I know that I tried to warn the GP that to deliberately disenfranchise those Nader supporters and others would in fact mean a loss of a very valuable pool of volunteers. Not to mention a money flow resource loss.

    When Cat Woods and others went into a committee on this issue and worked out the state representation for delegates, in concensus fashion, going into detail on the issues, compromising and such, they did so for two years.

    They got to a place where they could all agree in that Committee. Or so Cat thought.

    They brought their proposal forward and those who had said that they agreed in the Committee then started attacking it immediately when it was brought forward to the membership.

    The proposal went down in flames. THERE is where you will find the Destructo-greens.

    At that point, we tried to put forward the Minnesota/Pennsylvania Proposal, as a last effort to fix this. Nope.

    Meanwhile, at that time the GP leadership started picking off delegates who were dissenting from the blatent abuse of power that was going on. Using excuses they bumped off various folks, including myself, John Murphy, Liz Arnone etc etc. One of the excuses used was using “negative, angry language” which Murphy called the End Free Speech Committee.

    Ironically enough, then people like say Pat LaMarche would go off on foul mouthed, ad hominem smear attacks but with no censorship of those of “that side” of the discussion. Only dissenters.

    THAT is the truth.

    Oh and if VA Green AKA Audrey does respond to this (I doubt if she will) let me say here and now.

    Let us talk about small states rights and the GP.

    Only here, you do not have the End Free Speech Committee who will end the discussion when it gets too uncomfortable. By banning posters who make you a little uncomfortable.

    You see, it was these actions that caused the end of the GP.

    Hell, we even tried to warn you all. But you folks were to busy congratulating yourself on the quiet with all those nasty Nader folks being gone and now having time to mulch your gardens.

    I am delighted that the European Greens are doing well. As an Irishman, who lived in Ireland I again point to the severe decline of the Irish GP Comhoantas Glas.

    There is a lesson there for any who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

  18. paulie

    Thanks for the perspective, Michael. Although I consider myself a small-g green as well as a libertarian, and have helped both parties with ballot access signature gathering in various states and IPR coverage, my party background is in the LP (and before 1992, in the Democratic Party) and thus I am less knowledgeable about the internal strategic and ideological rifts in the Green Party than I am about those among Libertarians.

    If you, or any of the folks you mention – or those on the other side of the Green split you write about – would like to become IPR news correspondents, please let us know. At present, we don’t pay our writers and we try to confine opinionating to the comment sections.

    Some more folks to cover smaller-party and independent candidate news stories – whether Green, Peace and Freedom, Socialist, Libertarian, or any other – would certainly be welcome.

  19. mdh

    Michael,
    I’m kind of curious – I hear a lot of stuff about those rifts existing, but what exactly were they about? Specifically, what sort of resolutions/such did you try to pass that you were being staunchly opposed on?

    Thanks!

  20. VAGreen

    “In fact while VA Green (Audrey) stated that us “destructo-greens” (read that dissidents) did nothing but negative criticism, the truth was the exact opposite.”

    Again, I do not consider ALL critics of the Green Party to be destructive. For some reason, you seem to find it very important to put words in my mouth.

    “Meanwhile, at that time the GP leadership started picking off delegates who were dissenting from the blatent abuse of power that was going on.”

    Liz Arnone, John Murphy, and Henry Duke engaged in a series of ad hominem attacks that had nothing to do with delegate apportionment to the convention. They repeatedly violated the rules of the listserv, and hence ended up on moderation.

    Some of their behavior on the listserv, as well as your own, was absolutely ridiculous. If you were a Congresscritter and you acted like that on the floor of the House or Senate while they were in session, you would be watching the rest of the day’s proceedings on C-SPAN. If you weren’t lucky, you would be facing a censure resolution.

    If you behaved like that in a courtroom, you would be jailed for contempt. If you behaved like that on the job, you would be fired (even from a government job!). If you behaved like that on practically any other organization listserv, you would be banned.

  21. Michael Cavlan

    Paulie

    Thank you Sir. I would be happy to although in a slightly different capacity than as a former dissident Green.

    In fact in just a short period of time I hope to be filling a very different role, on IPR.

    I am also a very libertarian thinking kind of green (small g).

    I am committed to the principle of the free market of ideas. Of course that is horribly democratic (small d) of me to think like that.

  22. Michael Cavlan

    Audrey AKA VA Green.

    Yeah right. That whole banning of people for ad hominem attacks was done in a very fair, impartial manner. In fact I remember Pat LaMarche, David McQuirkydale, Greg Gerrit (oh what a sweetheart he was) and all the rest, including yourself.

    In other words, read the sarcasm of my reply as I call horse shit on your piss poor excuse.

    Damn, so the Green Party Committee to End Free Speech banned Henry Duke as well?

    figures.

    Audrey, better remember. here, there is no Committee To End Free Speech to protect you here.

    These folks are impartial.

    Now, the simple fact is, the GP leadership squelched dissent, banned free speech and yes Audrey, they did fix the convention in Chicago.

    Your little (emphasis on little) swaree in North Carolina should prove entertaining. To the 5 people who will be paying attention.

    Good luck and all that.

  23. VAGreen

    “Many of us and many of the Nader supporters had worked their hearts out for the GP. ”

    I’m not talking about what you did for your state Green Party. I’m not talking about Cat Woods, who actually did a great deal of work at the national level. I’m not talking about Danene Provencher, who never posted attacks on other Greens to the national list.

    I’m talking about the attacks that you, Murphy, Duke, and Arnone launched on other Greens, many of which took place months BEFORE the vote on apportionment. I want to know what these attacks did to build the Green Party at the national level.

    The Green Party came out of the Annual National Meeting in 2007 with a sense of unity and purpose that I had not seen in years. That was when (and probably why) the attacks started. Out of the blue, YOU, Michael Cavlan, launched an attack on Phil Huckelberry as a closet “Demo-Green”. Never mind that he fought against, and defeated, the corrupt Democratic Party establishment in Illinois.

    This was just the beginning. The NC was under constant siege by you and your pals attacks on smaller state parties, smears against our staff, witch-hunts against “Demogreens”, bizarre conspiracy theories, ad hominem attacks on other Greens, and inflation of submicroscopic issues to intergalactic proportions.

    Since all of those Evil Demo-Greens were supposedly ruining the party and deserved to be removed from power, I would have thought that you, Arnone, Duke, and Murphy would have offered an alternative program for building the national Green Party. But I never heard a word of it. Nothing about fundraising, ballot access, helping smaller state parties, recruiting candidates, or getting more people to register Green.

  24. VAGreen

    “Now, the simple fact is, the GP leadership squelched dissent, banned free speech and yes Audrey, they did fix the convention in Chicago.”

    Dissent is not forbidden on the NC listserv. I’ve seen plenty of criticism there, and an awful lot of it was expressed in a constructive fashion that was compliant with the listserv rules. As for Pat LaMarche, there is no comparison between John Murphy’s behavior on the list with hers. An occasional harsh word is not remotely in the same league as continuous accusations and attacks on the other members of the NC. It wasn’t Pat LaMarche who accused all of the Steering Committee members except for Liz Arnone of being Democrats, or who invented all sorts of conspiracy theories about a cabal of Greens pulling the strings of state parties all across the country.

    McKinney was the best-known candidate who actually sought our nomination. She went with enough delegates to win the nomination. I was there. You weren’t.

  25. Michael Cavlan

    Audrey,

    Correct. I was not there even though it would have cost a $20 bus ride from Minneapolis. That all by itself was telling.

    You know who else was not there? Matt Gonzalez along with a whole bunch of others..

    Many did not bother going because the word was out. it was a sham, rigged Convention. Howie Hawkins was there, not as a delegate but as an observer.

    So Audrey AKA VA Green, tell us this.

    WHY DID RALPH NADER NOT SEEK THE GREEN PARTY ENDORSEMENT?

    As an aside, all those good decent folks you mentioned, none of them are members of the GP anymore. We should of course mention Kimberley Wilder. Who has already chimed in on this.

    All of these folks have left, to the cheers of Greg Gerrit.

    You see Audrey, here people can answer your slanders and smears. The Committee To End Free Speech will not protect you here.

    Here, free Speech reigns.

    So answer the question.

    Why did Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez not seek the GP endorsement? It would have saved them a lot of work. Ballot access in 3o odd states.

    So why not Audrey AKA VA Green?

    BTW how is Greg Jacoy doing these days? He never seems to post here anymore.

  26. libertariangirl

    its really not funny but this argument you all are having nearly exactly mirrors the same dramas facing the LP

    the following paragraph , it made me giggle , at least we in the LP arent the only ones

    This was just the beginning. The NC was under constant siege by you and your pals attacks on smaller state parties, smears against our staff, witch-hunts against “Demogreens”, bizarre conspiracy theories, ad hominem attacks on other Greens, and inflation of submicroscopic issues to intergalactic proportions.

  27. Dave Schwab

    Michael,

    Several times now you’ve promised to go work on your new party and leave the Greens to their own devices. I am sorry that some Greens hurt your feelings so much that you find it necessary to post the same comments over and over, even on posts that have nothing to do with GPUS. How about you keep us posted on how your own party is doing, and let the Green Party go its own way. Thanks.

  28. Michael Cavlan

    Mr Schuab

    Despite your attempts to portray this as “just hurt feelings” this discussion has NOTHING to do with personal feelings and EVERYTHING to do with politics.

    I will admit that I did answer this, in response to a post about the European GP.

    You are right though. I should stop being re-embroiled in the drama surrounding the GP. Although I do feel the responsibility to warn any who may be thinking about working with the National GP.

    OK, carry on. Organize.

    Audrey, VA Greens non response is duly noted.

    //:-)>———

    LOLOL

    Had to do it.

  29. Michael Cavlan

    Just had a thought, sparked by the Senate dealings in New York.

    Of course you would like me to shut up. Just ignore the issue of HOW the GP national got corrupted. Like I stated above, I am committed
    to exposing what happened.

    Move on, leave us poor GP folks alone, etc etc.

    Not gonna happen.

    What happened needs to be exposed, brought to the sunlight and examined.

    So Audrey AKA VA Green.

    Why did Nader not seek the GP endorsement? After all, it would have saved him a lot of work, getting ballot access in 30 odd states?

    Matt Gonzalez too.

  30. mdh

    @31 – “its really not funny but this argument you all are having nearly exactly mirrors the same dramas facing the LP ”

    The thought had crossed my mind, as well. Nader/Paul, Barr/McKinney, Radicals vs. Reformers, Republicans/Democrats… hilarious stuff.

  31. Michael Cavlan

    MDH and Lib girl

    yeah. It is true. when any group starts getting serious about challenging the system, this kind of thing happens.

    THAT is why I am so damned adamant about discussing it.

    Bring it to the light and learn from it.

  32. VAGreen

    “You are right though. I should stop being re-embroiled in the drama surrounding the GP. ”

    That’s very kind of you, considering how much of the drama that you and your pals caused in the national GP.

    “Why did Nader not seek the GP endorsement? After all, it would have saved him a lot of work, getting ballot access in 30 odd states?”

    Beats me. He probably would have won. It’s a nomination, BTW, not an endorsement. That’s part of why Cobb won in 2004.

    “Many did not bother going because the word was out. it was a sham, rigged Convention. ”

    McKinney was the most widely known candidate who decided to participate in our nomination process. She went into the convention with enough votes to win on the first round. Nothing was rigged.

    “THAT is why I am so damned adamant about discussing it.

    Bring it to the light and learn from it.”

    And you need to do this on practically every thread that is related to the Green Party? It comes across much more like spite than a desire for transparency.

    It’s a big country out there. Why don’t you try building up your own party without trying to tear the GP down?

  33. VAGreen

    libertariangirl // Jun 12, 2009 at 1:08 am

    “its really not funny but this argument you all are having nearly exactly mirrors the same dramas facing the LP

    the following paragraph , it made me giggle , at least we in the LP arent the only ones”

    I thought that those of us on the left were the only ones who got into these arguments! I learn something new every day.

  34. mdh

    I thought only those of us who are up got into these arguments. Then I found out it happens to the right and the left, too.

    I wonder about those statists. Perhaps they simply accept a central authority’s rulings on every matter rather than wanting to argue the point at all? 🙂

  35. Paulie

    I wonder about those statists. Perhaps they simply accept a central authority’s rulings on every matter rather than wanting to argue the point at all?

    The history of authoritarian-socialist and fascist movements tends to indicate otherwise. They have a great of schism(ing? …not sure on proper usage on that) all throughout their history.

  36. Sarah McGlolthin

    VaGreen(Audrey) has never run for political office in her life.

    How the hell can she know what real politics is all about..

    Audrey get out of the way and let real Green Party people with sense do things.

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