New American Magazine Interviews Chelene Nightingale

The John Birch Society’s official magazine, The New American, has posted an interview with one of the gubernatorial candidates in California. Chelene Nightingale is running for the American Independent Party’s nomination.

The New American: As your profile indicates, you have been a political activist in California for five or more years. Is this why the Constitution Party leadership asked you to run for Governor?
Chelene Nightingale: Yes. I did not immediately accept the invitation. In fact, it took me several weeks of prayers and discussions before saying yes. Although I had been a political activist for five years at the time of the invitation, I had absolutely no interest in running for office. But as a mother, I am quite concerned about the future of the United States for my children and future generations. We are rapidly losing our liberty, the unemployment rate continues to rise, and our borders are wide open. We can save our Republic, but only if “we the people” take action and run for office ourselves or at least vote out the collectivists and elect liberty candidates instead.

The interview is quite long and contains a good deal many more question.

72 thoughts on “New American Magazine Interviews Chelene Nightingale

  1. Don Grundmann

    It will be interesting to see if Chelenes opponent in the AIP primary, the ultra corrupt Mark Robinson who is the fake ” Chairman ” and one of the 3 leaders of the corruption faction of the party, is also interviewed by the magazine. My prediction is that he is too cowardly to submit to an interview since I will contact them to make sure they ask questions regarding his corrupt actions in attacking the AIP, filing false documents with the Secretary of State office, and being a lieutenant of his fellow ultra corrupt leader, Alan Keyes. Thankfully with Chelene AIP voters have an honest patriot that they can vote for in complete contrast to her ultra corrupt lying cowardly opponent.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  2. Trent Hill Post author

    The JBS is friendly to the national CP–I suspect this interview was on purpose. They want non-interventionist Nightingale to win over the Keyes-allied Robinson.

  3. Robert Milnes

    Trent, is it possible IPR is being disrupted somehow? It seems to go down a lot. But if it was down for random individuals occasionally instead of for everybody it would be difficult to catch.

  4. Trent Hill Post author

    Milnes,

    Yes, i’m not sure why that is occurring. Im looking into it.

  5. Robert Milnes

    Ask everyone to report when IPR goes down for them. A few hours ago it went down for me for about an hour. I reported to tom & he replied no, it’s not. By that time it was back up for me.

  6. Trent Hill Post author

    Mine was down for roughly 10 minutes today, i’m on the case Milnes, no worries.

  7. Morgan Brykein

    Hopefully someday the Old Right will make a comeback, when the American people realize that the interventionist, big government New Right is tossing this nation in the gutter.

  8. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: Don Lake,

    Question: Are you registered to vote in California in the American Independent Party?

    If so what was the date of that registration?

    You can send it to me at the following e-mail:
    hakohen3@yahoo.com

    Reason for the request is the following. Don Grundmann seat on the State Central Committee
    for becoming a “Nominee Delegate to the AIP
    Convention is open for appointment, because of his act of running and being elected to the National Committee of the American Independent Party on September 3, 2006.
    That Nominee Delegate spot is vacant and runs
    to 8 p.m. on Primary Day in June, 2012. The spot on the National Committee ran to only
    mid-night on September 2-3, 2008, because
    of a two year term limit. The National Committee election took place in the City of
    Rancho Cordova, Sacramento County, California.

    That could be the reason that Jim King tried to
    get Judge Kenny of the Sacramento Superior Court in KING v. BOWEN in 2008 to rule
    that Rancho Cordova was not in Sacramento.
    Rancho Cordova was the location of the 2006
    AIP Convention and State Central Committee
    of the American Independent Party. The issue
    related to what the word “Sacramento” ment within California Election Code section 7608(b).

    Jim King claimed it ment just the City Limits of
    the City of Sacramento. While the AIP State Central Committee took the view that the term
    “Sacramento” ment the limits of Sacramento County. Judge Kenny rejected that view put
    forward by James King’s Brewtown lawyers.

    Because of Dr. Gundmann election to the National Committee of AIP on September 3,
    2006, the delegate spot became vacant and
    is open for a replacement to the AIP State Convention of 2010.

    In your have been in the AIP the require time and would like to replace Dr. Don Grundmann
    as a delegate to the 2010 AIP Convention and
    a member of the State Central Committee you
    would be my choices to take the spot that Dr.
    Gundmann held from the June Direct Primary
    until September 3, 2006.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affilate of the
    America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008.

  9. Just the tip of the ice berg .......... Lake

    [Concerning Cody Quirk // May 4, 2010:]

    Mark, this is the same guy whom can not tell the same story twice. This is the same guy whom criticizes folks for mis spelling his name, even when they use the correct letters. He, as a socio path, and is just trying is just trying to keep good people off balance!

    Remember, this is the same guy whom got ran out of California, complains of anti Mormon bias (from LDS!) and says he will not contact you any more.

    Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk, world’s oldest eleven year old!

  10. C James Madison

    June 12th is the date of the California primary, correct? Then this “debate” between the American IP and America’s IP can at least move into the next chapter.

  11. Don Grundmann

    Mark Seidenberg – By winning the U.S. Senate campaign for the AIP nomination in 2006 I am on the state central committee through 2012. Of course your note above is just an early indication of what your corruption faction of the party plans to do at the upcoming convention – arbitrarily disqualify from voting anyone who you suspect will vote against the continuance of your corruption. Just as you had a fake vote to start your corruption you will continue with fake and fraudulent votes to continue it. This is the character of you and your fellow liars/cowards Mark Robinson and Ed Noonan.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  12. Don grundman

    I am the chairmanIamthechairmanIamthechairmanIamthechairmanIamthechairman
    I AM THE VICE CHAIRMAN!!! bELIEVE ME…..yesyesyesyesyesmememememememememmeme

  13. nurse rachett

    Don…..Don…please come here and get your pills……”Donnie” I am not going to tell you again”

  14. Don grundman

    nnnooo nnnnnnnnnooo, youuuu, ccan’t mmmake me!” ” I want to watch the cubs game”….

  15. nurse Rachett

    “Donnie, we are not put baseball on TV today.” “We are going to play some nice music”.

  16. Don grundman

    I I I amm going ttto throw aaa fit now!! (camera zooms in) Grundman, rolls on floor with picture of Nightingale clutched to his chest…
    “I AM THE VC OF THE CCONSTIT==TUTION PARTY!!!!!!!!

    (as the camera pulls back…further and further….Patient Don…..starts to rock slowly back and forth…..back and forth)

    stay tuned

  17. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: Don Grundmann:

    This will be part of the refutation to your post # 15. I may have to give you this in several part.

    You were elected to the National Committee of the American Independent Party on September 3, 2006 at a meeting of the American
    Independent Party State Central Committee for
    a two year term. That meeting took place in the
    City of Rancho Cordova, County of Sacramento.
    The two year term ended at mid-night on September 2 – 3, 2008.

    The California Election Code, Division 7, Part 4,
    Chapter 2, Article 1, Section 7561 states:

    “If a person is a delegate to the state convention and quilified undepently of that fact to be a delegate by reason of the most recent election at
    which he or she becomes a delegate. The resulting vacancy shall be filled pursuant to Section 7557.”

    It is a given that you became entitled to be “Nominee Delegate” by the election at the
    direct primary in June, 2006. But that status
    changed on the election for National Committee-
    man on September 3, 2006 for a two year term,
    which ended at mid-night on September 2-3, 2008. The Senate nominee delegate term is now vacant. The State Central Committee may make an appointment for the remainder of that term. Further, at the AIP State Comvemtion of
    July 5, 2008 your were seated as a delegate because you were a member of the National Committee.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008

    What part of the post to you have a problem
    understanding if any.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  18. Cody Quirk

    Don Lake, stop pretending to be Grundmann- you are a liar as well as a nutjob.
    At least I don’t hide behind other postings here.

  19. Walt

    Read an article about Chelene Nightingale that says she is and I quote “a loose cannon” with “bizarre”
    thoughts about government. The article states they feel “nightingale is more about getting her message out than seriously winning the election.”
    that just about sums up this woman. Someone desperate for attention and not to be taken seriously. Lets let this die out now…enough attention to this non-candidate and the losers that back her.

  20. Mark Seidenberg

    I believe we need a new slogan for the 2010 Governor race, viz., NANA. Which means
    “Nightingale Ain’t No Austrian”. If you heard
    the word “TANSTAAFL” you would want to know about of Chelene Nightingale and her rejection of the core priciple ,vi,. Auditorums are not Free to use at California State Office Buildings for Campaign Rallys.

    On Wednesday, May 5, 2010, the Nightingale
    for Governor Campaign planned to use the
    Auditorium at the Van Nuy State Office Building
    as a rally and speech location without paying the
    user fees for the auditorium to the California
    State Department of General Service nor getting
    a use permit from the California Highway Patrol.

    The plan was to use the auditorium that was provided under the terms of the California Election Code at a zero price to the American Independent Party for conducting a monthly County Central Committee. However, the Los Angeles County Central Committee of the American Independent Party was not organized because of a lack of a quorum on July 2, 2008.

    In the vacuum the Nighingale Campaign for Governor talked the Building Manager of the
    Van Nuys State Office Building to provide them
    with its Auditorium on the ruse that it would
    be used for a Los Angeles County Central Committee meeting.

    AIP Chairman Markham Robinson informed
    the Department of General Services (DGS) on the improper use of the Auditorium by Chelene
    Nightingale Campaign and DGS Van Nuys State Office Building “pulled the plug” on the Nighingale Campaign on using the Auditorium for a campaign rally.

    Then comes Chelene Nightingale starts complaining the State of California and the Chairman of the American Independent Party
    are interfering with her right to free speech,
    because the DGS would not give her an autitorium free of charge.

    So we now have Chelene Nightingale’s number,
    viz., she wants the people of the State of California to subsidize her with zero priced
    autitoriums for her campaign.

    That is Socialism in the extreme.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affliated with
    the America’s Independent Party on June 27,
    2008

  21. Don Lake

    Cody Quirk // May 5, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Don Lake, stop pretending to be Grundmann- [Lake: that is the last thing I am interest in. What I am doing is working on transportation to Leavenworth (Kansas) ]

    you are a liar [not true, take extremes to qualify my statements as either first hand experience or multiple references. My life, with or with out you, has been a series of former detractors has hobbled back to apologize, such as Rodney Martin of the Deform Party]

    as well as a nutjob.

    [and what qualifies you, as allied with Doctor Coo Coo, as Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk, quailified to give more than an off glancing blow on that subject ???????????]

    At least I don’t hide behind other postings here. [oh, are you sure ???????? and about non ‘signed’ initial posting (falsely) indicating official sanction per Third Party Watch and Independent Political Report]

    [are you insinuating that Lake or others of the other citizens league against dishonest misguided crack pot religious zealots are posting on other monikers ????????? Officially, I am not /s/ Don Lake]

  22. Patriot

    Nightingale is a jerk. She and her quack campaign manager are crooks.
    I read on a blog where each candidate for gov. lists their Education background…Nightingale curiously has listed the same educational background as her flunky campaign manager. Says she went to a scool in Damneck VA and also San bernardino..exact as her manager. What a Lying fake!! Sickening that this person is so desperate…why doesn’t she stay home and home school her kid instead of embarassing herself and the party. Why doesn’t the “constitution party” that supositely love her GIVE HER ANY MONEY$$$??? sHE IS A SNAKE CRAWLING ON HER BELLY….

  23. Don Lake and the seeds for west coast scandal .....

    “Nightingale curiously has listed the same educational background as her flunky campaign manager. Says she went to a scool in Damneck VA and also San bernardino..exact as her manager. What a Lying fake!! ”

    “Sickening that this person is so desperate…why doesn’t she stay home and home school her kid instead of embarassing herself and the party.”

    [a] well at least she responded to some one.l When she first declared Citizens For A Better Veterans Home attempted to contact her: postal, email, voice mail.

    We basically found her in the fetal position whimering (well it sure seems like it ………)!

    Know one, even in her (so called home neighborhood) knew her and or knew about her.

    By summer 2009 numerous people called her on her non existent celibriety and invisible advocacy. [Note: California Chiropractor Donald J. Grundmann apparently violently disagrees ………]

    Many people think not much has happened as the clock ticks down toward Tuesday June 8th (2010).

    FACT: Her address in a current law suit list a Los Angeles County address instead of San Bernardino County location.

    FACT: Her year old campaign web site is nearly unchanged from 2009.

    FACT: She has an opponent in the California American Independent Party June Primary: AIP officer Mark Robinson!

    FACT: There is no, and has never been, a California Constitution Party!

    FACT: Many think Ms Nightingale’s ‘party’ is the California GOP!

  24. Don Grundmann

    It is amazing how a outright liar like Mark SeidenRat can talk about a ” quorum ” when he was part of a phone meeting that had NO quorum but which used that fake quorum to produce fake documents which were then filed with the Secretary of State office. He, as with the coward Mark Robinson, talks about following rules until he decides to break them. He then writes under various fake names, such as ” Patriot,” to spread yet more lies but with the same cowardice of not using his own name that he shows in everything else that he does.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  25. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Grundmann

    Is now talking a “phone meeting”, before he was
    talking about a “fake phone meeting”. I told you
    in the past that the AIP does not have “fake phone meeting”. So now I wlll tell you we do
    not conduct meetings via the telephone either.

    We conduct the same type of meeting you took
    part in on August 20, 2007. That was a date
    your were on the on line meeting. Howeven,
    you are not on the AIP State Central Committee
    any more. Your term of office ended on mid-night, September 2 – 3, 2008.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliate with the
    America’s Independent Party, since June 27,
    2008

  26. Don Grundmann

    Mark – You can lie all that you want now. Lie to everyone. Go ahead and enjoy it. I am happy in the knowledge that there is such a place as Hell. I am also happy in the knowledge that evil, personified by you, will be defeated and will be banished to that Hell. You ” know the score.” Only if you repent of your evil and accept Christ as your Savior will you be saved from your certain, and for you richly deserved, damnation. Your continued lying is the evidence of your refusal to repent. Therefore you will be damned for eternity. You will spend eternity in Hell. We, the REAL AIP, will defeat your corruption here and then you will die and go to your eternal fate. So it will be also with all of your fellow reprobates. You will all richly deserve your fate. You have all been given the opportunity to repent. You will all bring yourselves to damnation by your own choice and actions. You have no one to blame but yourselves. Your ” politics ” does not consist of simply being a traitor to the nation but in the deepest sense you are a traitor to humanity and an enemy of Gods’ creation and especially of God himself. You have personally chosen to personify evil. You will hence reap the rewards of your choice.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  27. Davi Rodrigues

    Holy crap Grundmann,

    What does all this religious diatribe have to do with politics? America jettisoned the premise of being governed by the church in the late 1700’s. Get your feet back on the ground for at least the duration of the election cycle.

  28. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Grundmann states in post # 33 the following: “We, the REAL AIP, will defeat you
    corruption here and then you will die.”

    Is this a death threat? What is the REAL AIP?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affilated with
    America’s Independent Party, since June 27, 2008.

  29. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – All religion manifests into politics and all politics is motivated by religion. There is no such thing as a human being who is not religious. Even atheists and agnostics have a religious belief. Mark Seidenberg is motivated by his personal, not his suface Jewish, religion which makes it acceptable and even mandatory to lie – continuously. His political lying and his personal corruption are founded upon his personal religious belief. He is working to manifest his personal corruption, his religious belief, into the temporal world no matter the tragic consequences of such actions for untold numbers of humanity. I am simply reminding him that while he gains enjoyment and satisfaction in the temporal realm from his corruption he will answer for such sins after his death; whether that be tomorrow or 1,000 years from now. There are consequences when we support evil and give our allegiance and loyalty to it. Such consequences afflict us and those both around us and in succeeding generations in the temporal realm in addition to our eternal fate. Believe as you will. I am simply reminding Mark of the consequences of his personal choice to be corrupt. America is not governed by a church. But you, and all of us including Mark, are governed by God – whether you like it or not. Similarly our nation collectively; as Mark, you, and everyone else singularly; will reap the rewards of our conscious choice to give our allegiance to evil.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  30. Don Grundmann

    to The Fool – Your own sickened state rushes to the defense of attacks upon children while endorsing outright corruption of the most outrageous degree and spreading endless lies against people whom you have never met and know nothing about. You, The Fool, are the last person who should write of ” mental state.”

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  31. Davi Rodrigues

    Chelene Nightingale is evil too then

    She broke the commandment “thou shalt not bear false witness”. I know you have seen the BK filing and her upcoming lawsuit, so by now you must know that she perjured herself…Lied if you perfer, so how do you justify your support for her, but rejection of Mark?

  32. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – I have not yet seen the filing you refer to. Mark Seidenberg has been continuously and openly performing corrupt actions and lying for a prolonged time; now close to 2 years. He has demonstrated his personal corruption in virtually countless actions inclusive of his continuous lying to this very day. He is both a portal for corruption and part of a larger manifestation and attack of evil upon our nation. He is an enemy of both our nation and humanity as a whole.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  33. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – I will investigate what you have presented but I will also seek information from the source. I know that you want to crucify Chelene for what I believe is with 99%+ probability a malevolent reason in concert with the Alan Keyes criminal gang but I will still investigate this information with the knowledge that what you present as damning evidence can be, when all circumstances are fully exposed, nothing of the sort.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  34. Journalist

    Chelene is toxic , viz,….
    I am not a supporter of Chelene Nightengale (nor will I ever supporter her) for these reasons I experienced first hand:

    *1. Chelene Nightengale being sued for deceitful misrepresentation of 2010 AIP candidate for CA governor.
    *2. Because I came out in support of Jim Gilchrist, I was banned from SOS by Chelene’s order. Whatever happened to freedom of speech. I still defend Jim’s right to seek donation’s and that it is hypocritical for groups to speak badly of him when they do the same. Chelene’s cronie, ‘bonfire’ stabbed me in the back after sidling up to me through emails. She hurt me badly by pretending to be my friend and then slandering me, because I would not support Ron Paul. I thought we were fighting illegal immigration NOT Jim Gilchrist. As with anything if you don’t like it, STAY AWAY! Too bad the hi-jacker’s did not stay away from JIMS org MMP. I Believe we all KNOW for a FACTS, Chelene is NOT leadership material.
    *3. Save Our State was an illegal alien immigration fighting organization,
    first started by Ventura’s Joe Turner. But now being ostensive being run by and
    controlled by its new untested boss, Chelene Nightengale of Southern
    California’s Palmdale/ Lancaster area. Ms. Nightengale is a beauty contest
    entrant, bankrupt and divorced mother of two that came up from `the ranks’ to become it’s
    main cheerleader, ‘media spokesperson’, ‘public events director’, to ‘managing director’. She drove that organization into the ground with her bad management.
    *4. Jim Gilchrist has finally initiated court suits against Chelene Nightegale for libeling the MMP everywhere on the Internet. Gilchrist asked Nightengale to stop the libel and tried to settle this matter out-of-court with Nightengale, but she refused. So Chelene retaliated against Gilchrist and his
    many MMP/SOS followers by banning and banishing many long-time SOS members in
    her purge the SOS of any member’s pro-Gilchrist views or MMP general members
    also being in SOS. Many ex-SOS members forum handles banishment and disbarment are: Mac, ss187, michealsavage4prez, Standing Alone, Viking, BorderRaven, Boderwatch, GSBamerica, mustdeport, SZinWestLA, Sandinator, AmericanPatriot77, Foothillpages.com, LatinafortheUSA, CrazyWolf, American Spirit, NoMoreFreebies, Califnative, mycountrytisofthee, RebelWays,
    LetFreedomRing, Birdsong, and Szinwestla. MANY more for having different ideas from meglomanic Chelen N.
    *4. Look at more facts about Chelene at these site LINKS;
    Yahoo groups
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveoursanity2/
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nomoreintelligence2/
    *5. This list isn’t getting shorter, but LONGER. It’s sad for Chelene to do this. Patriots fold up like a cheap suit and blow away from the public scene.
    The score is:
    Brook ‘watchdog’ Young,….MIA
    C. Nightengoul SOS,….MIA
    Christie C. TruthBrigade, ….MIA
    Schwilk SDMM,….MIA
    Dennis Slater NMI,…MIA
    Frank Jorge AVMM,….MIA
    ‘Borderaven’ ,….MIA
    Janet ‘Blondee’… .MIA
    ‘Kele’ SOS……MIA
    Scared out from public events:
    ‘Standing Alone’ NMI…..MIA
    ‘Small and Mighty’ NMI…MIA
    ‘oldpreach’. ..MIA
    ‘Sandinator’ …MIA
    ‘Randy Dees’…..MIA
    NOW-
    ‘AyatollahGondola’ in Sacramento.. ..MIA

    *6. Don’t bother joining NoMoreInvasioDOTcom if you want to fight illegal immigration. WE are back to square one, on our own fighting for our views. Great, huh? Because of some NMI & SOS jealouse egotistical shallow turds at the top of some sites. There is strict censorship at NMI forums. You can’t rust anything you read on NMI. Because D. Slater edites threads out, lies by impersonating NMI members saying ridiculous things or he inserts/adds his own biase comments against the author if any author member seems to be getting any unique attention/approval from other NMI members. They are so jealouse of others and don’t work well with members. So why go and share there and be abused for doing good by cowards? Hell, NO!
    Just collect people emails and stay in touch with them directly. Cut out that corrupt forum all together. It’s interesting, it’s a warning to others, and it’s the truth.

    I don’t have time for more….I think you get my point. Chelene is toxic and only trying to get money and her life in order on California voter’s dimes.

  35. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – As a ” P.S. ” to the above response I must note that you have not uttered a peep with regard to the criminal actions of Mark Seidenberg and his fellow gang members. While many people file for bankruptcy virtually no one deliberately files false documents with the Secretary of State office in order to decieve that office in a Grand Theft fraud attack upon a political party. While of course your focus can be attacking Chelene your fellow attackers are openly ( not even slightly questionably ) guilty of far more criminal actions than filing for bankruptcy can be inferred to be.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  36. Patriot

    Did A-hole grundmann just ifer that being JEWISH you are madated to be a liar??? You filthy bigoted gaybashing freak!! Grundmann You are a sick pervert!! SEE FOLKS this is what this goon a-hole is all about…enough said….BIGOTED MENTALLY UNSTABLE BASTID. Pervert never married…that pretends to protect children (well, we have all seen the people that use that ruse because they are completely opposite…they wish to abuse) You filthy Pig and your quack fake stooges..nightingale and Loserhide…lowlife pigs barf all.

  37. Don Grundmann

    ” Ms. Nightengale is a beauty contest
    entrant, bankrupt and divorced mother of two that came up from `the ranks’ to become it’s
    main cheerleader, ‘media spokesperson’, ‘public events director’, to ‘managing director’.”

    Response – While ” Journalist ” may have a legitimate complaint against Chelene in even a minor degree I find it interesting that her detractors all slam her with the above noted description. The last time I checked there was no criminality involved in being a ” beauty contest entrant ” nor was such an activity or attempt to win a contest considered a character defect or slur – until Chelene does it. THEN it is used as a perjorative to attack her. Similarly there are many divorced mothers ( and fathers ) of any number of children. But with Chelene the term is used as an attack slur. Why? Because those who attack her have a bigger, and far more corrupt, agenda than what they write and are willing to do anything to protect and advance such agenda/corruption including attacking Chelene because she is an open threat to their cause. So Mr. ” Journalist ” while you may indeed have some sort of legitimate compliant against Chelene your usage of the same terminology to attack her as those who are openly and utterly corrupt in the highest degree ( as with Robinson, Seidenberg, and Noonan of the corruption faction of the AIP ) gives a clue ( improper? inaccurate? ) to other motives and forces which can be behind your commentary and for completely different reasons than those which you express on the surface.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  38. Don Grundmann

    Journalist – The above commentary of ” Patriot;” i.e.; Mark Seidenberg; is illustrative of the type of lies that Chelene and those of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party, encounter every day as we work to stop the ultra corruption of the Alan Keyes faction of the AIP. While you may have a legitimate complaint you have used the same terminology that the far bigger forces in the battle are using to attack Chelene in order to protect and advance their ultra corrupt attack upon the nation.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  39. Davi Rodrigues

    Mr Grundmann,

    I have looked through the website you make all the allegations on, but quite honestly I don’t see what you see there. Maybe you could link me to just the offending documents somehow? The rest of it confuses the hell out of me

  40. "Don't Vote For Me" .......... Lake

    Don Grundmann // May 8, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “Mr. Rodrigues – I have not yet seen the filing you refer to ………….”

    Don Lake down loaded same, copied and mailed them all over California, including to Red Pill. Gruntman is lying thru his teeth!

  41. Don Grundmann

    to The Fool – The only mailing which I have received from you was your pervert inspired Biblical justification of ” fisting;” something ONLY YOU would mail out. You did this to justify your defense of attacks upon children by the homosexual community. I have seen nothing else but perhaps the Postmaster wisely recognized your letter as originating from a psychotic nitwit and appropriately filed it in the garbage can along with the rest of your commentary/nitwitery/stupidity. Certainly any sane recipient of whatever you would send out would instantly recognize its value as a bird cage liner.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  42. "Multiple Liar ??????" .......... Lake

    [a] that was months ago

    [b] I did that to show you that there were fisting articles, but none to back your wackie assertions

    [c] I have mailed you more than one missive since, including the five pages of Ms Nightingale’s instant case as defendant in civil case …….

  43. Patriot

    question is why gruntman is so obessed with children?? Why would an unmarried man in his 50’s with no children pretend to care for children…
    yeah I suppose you were a boy scout leader too? (not all boy scout leaders are pervs) but, you get my drift on this sicko. Grundman has proved by his awkward rantings he has more than a few screws loose. Lets forcus on grundman….and what his background tell us….criminal and other. And gruntman, you know sparring with people about nutingale and loserhide on these pages DOES THEM NO GOOD! yOU ARE ACTUALLY hurting these fakes more than helping. I am sure they have told you to stfu more than once…freak

  44. Don Grundmann

    ” Patriot “/Mark Seidenberg – It is interesting that since you cannot debate ( and cowardly refuse to ) Chelene, myself, or Bill on the issues that you can only write psychotic attacks under other names such as the above in order to deflect attention from your fantastic corruption. Utterly sick but perfectly expressive of your true character.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  45. Patriot

    Pervert Grundman….I bet the FBI would be interested in your computer files….sick bastid. Got your number now….you look like a creep from your photos. Maybe you should be investigated…..

  46. Mark Seidenberg

    Patriot,

    Don Grundmann is known as THREE DATES DON, because he claims he was elected Vice Chairman of the AIP on three different dates,
    viz., June 6, 2008; June 27, 2008: and June 28-29, 2008 in Los Angeles, CA However, he has
    never been the Vice Chairman of the AIP.

    He has not been on the AIP State Central Committee since September 2, 2008. He gives
    out so much disinformation people might get
    confused.

    It will be suggested to the AIP State Central Committee that we hold the convention on the 4th of July weekend in 2010 in the City of Sacramento.

    Also, Mr. James King depo will be taken on
    May 17, 2010 near the Ontario Airport. This
    for the case of KING v. ROBINSON.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008.

  47. Journalist

    More toxic Nightengale news: I picked it up from one of the Independent Political News blogs LINK:
    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/05/new-american-magazine-interviews-chelene-nightingale/#comments

    On Wednesday, May 5, 2010, the Nightingalevfor Governor Campaign planned to use the Auditorium at the Van Nuy State Office Building as a rally and speech location without paying the user fees for the auditorium to the California State Department of General Service nor getting a use permit from the California Highway Patrol.

    The plan was to use the auditorium that was provided under the terms of the California Election Code at a zero price to the American Independent Party for conducting a monthly County Central Committee. However, the Los Angeles County Central Committee of the American Independent Party was not organized because of a lack of a quorum on July 2, 2008.

    In the vacuum the Nightingale Campaign for Governor talked the Building Manager of thevVan Nuys State Office Building to provide themvwith its Auditorium on the ruse that it would be used for a Los Angeles County Central Committee meeting.

    AIP Chairman Markham Robinson informed the Department of General Services (DGS) on the improper use of the Auditorium by ChelenevNightingale Campaign and DGS Van Nuys State Office Building “pulled the plug” on the Nightingale Campaign on using the Auditorium for a campaign rally.

    Then comes Chelene Nightingale starts complaining the State of California and the Chairman of the American Independent Partyvare interfering with her right to free speech, because the DGS would not give her an auditorium free of charge.

    ***So we now have Chelene Nightingale’s number, viz., she wants the people of the State of California to subsidize her with zero priced
    auditoriums for her campaign.

  48. Gruntman obessed with children

    Why are you focused on children? Why is an unmarried man in his 50’s so focused on children? Thats the real question…

  49. Don Grundmann

    ” Gruntman obessed with children // May 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Why are you focused on children? Why is an unmarried man in his 50’s so focused on children? Thats the real question…”

    Response – To protect them from pervert child molestors like you.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  50. Don Grundmann

    ‘ Journalist ” – There might have been a chance, however slim, relative to your previous comments that you had a legitimate complaint against Chelene but your comment #59 above, a simple rehashing of the complete lies of Mark SeidenRat which you then claim as ” news,” exposes you as just another rodent/fool/moron/idiot in the tradition of Don Lake; i.e.; The Fool. Whatever faults Chelene may have she is ” Mother Mary ” in comparison to her opponent Mark Robinson; an ultra coward whose corruption and evil is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. If you were really a ” journalist ” you would be reporting such criminality as Robinsons. Instead you are a stupid shill who at this point in your existence is reduced to writing internet excuses and diversions for ultra liars such as Robinson and his criminal gang members. Of course the highest probability is that you are Mark SeidenRat writing, yet again for the zillionth time, under another name ( such as with comments #60 and #61 above ) due to his own fantastic and well demonstrated cowardice.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  51. Journalist

    Davi Rodriques video speaking of Chelene N.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3ApDxIGlU

    PS…@ Grundmann….so nice to meet you (sarc). You know of course that your name calling of me (who you don’t know) is a clear signal to prudent readers that you lost your arguements due to lack of factual rebuttal.

  52. Don Grundmann

    ” Journalist ” – YOU, of all people, talk of ” lack of factual rebuttal?????” It is YOU who takes the lies of Mark Seidenberg and then refers to it as ” news.” ” Prudent readers ” will instantly know that you are a total fake through virtually countless clues such as your use of the word ” toxic ” in reference to Chelene. Does any true ” Journalist ” use such a term in a ” factual ” argument??? No. ONLY super liars such as Mark Seidenberg and their cronies will use such a term. Hence anyone reading your ” news ” story will instantly know you for the liar/rat that you are. It is your own sickness, as with your fellow rodents that gives you away. Clue #2 – As I previously mentioned you attack Chelene but make no peep regarding the actual criminal action of deliberately filing false documents with a government office as performed by Mark Robinson. Hence yet another open ” factual rebuttal ” to expose that you are a lying rat. Clue #3 – You put the youtube address for the rant of Mr. Rodrigues. ONLY those associated with the criminal gang of Robinson would put any such commentary on youtube much less spread the address of it; especially while ignoring the literal criminal actions of the Robinson gang. If you are indeed a real ” journalist ” have you similarly spread the address of TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com to expose the corruption of Robinson, Seidenberg, and Noonan?? Answer – Not a chance since you are a member of that criminal gang. So, ” Journalist,” ANY ” prudent reader ” will know that you are a member of the criminal gang of traitors that is attacking the AIP in order to betray the country for the controllers of master criminal Alan Keyes. Spread your b.s. elsewhere. You expose yourself as the same as your masters – a traitor to the nation.

    Don J. Grundmann D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  53. megans law

    Why is don grundmann obsessed with children? Why would a 50 years old unmarried man…fret and obsess about OUR CHILDREN?? I think he needs to be investigated…

  54. Don Grundmann

    ” megans law ” – Mark Seidenberg, you, yet again, show how sick and cowardly you are in hiding behind other names for spreading your sickness. I have challenged you to a debate to be shown on youtube but you cowardly refuse and then spread your sick comments under countless fake names. You will not debate since that would expose your complete corruption to everyone. How psychotic and pathetic you are!

    Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  55. Lies, lies, lies, lies????????? .......... Lake

    “Overwhelmingly positive,”
    [Lake” just view google ………]
    is how Nightingale explains her governor’s bid. “A majority of us are waking up to the fact that our two-party system is failing us and thus are seeking alternatives.”

    This mother of one
    [Lake: two!]

    is running on the Constitution Party ticket [wrong, no such animal in California],

    and points out that she “is not a career politician.” [but sure acts like one!]

  56. _

    Google Chelene Nightingale Minutemen” for real low down and this down and out grifter. sickening to the bone.

  57. paulie

    I don’t know who that is or why anyone should care, but if you are going to come on here to make accusations like that, some substantiation would be nice.

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