The Wall Street Journal reported today on the former party affiliation of the GOP nominee for Senate in Nevada, Sharron Angle. From 1992 until 1997 Angle was a member of the Independent American Party of Nevada, the state affiliate of the national Constitution Party.
As it happens, one party on the ballot — the Independent American Party of Nevada — is a party that Angle herself once belonged to.
The Independent American Party of Nevada was resurrected as a state-recognized party in 1992 by Angle and others. It favors low taxes and opposes gun control, illegal immigration, abortion, gay rights and “global government.” It’s not to be confused with the National Independent American Party, which has a broadly similar ideology, or, for that matter, the Alaskan Independence Party, which Todd Palin had belonged to.
The Reno Gazette-Journal reported in 2002 that Angle had been one of the Nevada voters to sign papers to revive the party in a drive organized by its late founder, Daniel Hansen, and that she’d remained a member until 1997.
Angle was a Republican before her involvement with IAPN, her campaign said. She re-registered as a Republican in March 1997, according to the Washoe County, Nev., voter registrar’s office. The following year, she successfully ran for state assembly as a Republican.
Janine Hansen, the IAPN’s director and sister of Daniel, confirmed that Angle had been a member of the party and that she was one of the original signatories in the effort to revive it. Now, Angle’s rivals on the Senate ballot, in addition to Reid, include IAPN candidate Tim Fasano.
Angle’s spokesman Jerry Stacy said that Angle was elected as a Republican in all of her runs for political office, and that she was committed to her GOP membership. “It’s easier to help inspire and shape the party from within,” he said.
This could indicate that Angle is more friendly not just towards the Constitution Party, but also towards third parties and ballot access reform efforts.
I’m sure most of the IAP voters will vote for the IAP Senate nominee, Tim Fasano.
If the IAP were wise, they would go to Angle and cut a deal. Withdraw Fasano and endorse Angle in exchange for Angle’s financial support and endorsement for an IAP nominee for state legislature.
= Angle has made some recent gaffes in her campaign, and has shown herself to be somewhat hostile to the IAP.
Fasano will still run, and its up to her to campaign right.
It’s all cool LG.
Are you running for an office this year?
I’m running for State Senate, Capital District.
……. TJ and ‘duh’ // Jun 16, 2010 at 2:10 pm
“JT (Whom ever you are ……)// Jun 16, 2010:”
Whom ever you are, you act like a jerk, or one of these ‘Room Temperature IQ’ experts (‘but how many House seats are up in this even numbered year ?????????’) Cody Quirk ‘Maroons’, but I was not ribbing you on the ‘TJ’ bit.
Whether dyslexia or my closeness to the border and Ti Juana, I was not poking fun, how ever dumb your challenge to me. Apologies, of a sort.
Reid was, politically, a dead man walking. But leave it to the “outsiders” (read: amateurs) to screw it up. First Lowden turns herself in to a punchline, and now Angle trots out one wacky notion after another (assasination, terrorism, and civil war are just “second amendment solutions”, we’ve got to phase out Social Security and Medicare, oh, wait, maybe I meant “personalize” whatever that means, etc.). Lots of people can’t stand Reid, but face it, he got a tremendous gift when they nominated someone so extreme and really not too bright. I can’t tell if Angle even understands the implications of the stuff she’s saying, or if it will be another “I’m an Oath Keeper…oh, wait, they’re for what?…No, I’m not an Oath Keeper, I just, uh, keep oaths, yeah, that’s it”
well thats really shitty … wish i could disagree with a word of it , but i cant , so….um,,, yeah , ok then ..
peace and respect Cody , I appreciate your honesty
deb
LG, it’s simply that in certain states or regions, a certain political party does way better then others for various reasons.
In the Rocky Mountain region, the CP/IAP does the best because folks up here are more in tune with Constitutionalism, especially because of the high % of Latter-day Saints, which are very much drawn to such ideology over the Libertarian philosophy.
The three main factors as to why the NVLP does horribly here is probably because, since we already got a lot of Libertarian laws on the books here- including med. marijuana and legal prostitution, not a lot of people in Nevada want to further libertarianize the state, since some want to get rid of legalized prostitution, anyways.
The second factor is, US.
The IAP does zap a lot of registered voters and voter apathy away from the LP and their candidates, all thanks to the activism and lobbying efforts of Janine Hansen and her family.
If the average voter wants to register and vote for a third party in Nevada, especially if he/she is conservative or libertarian minded, then usually he/she would pick the IAP before the LP.
And the last reason, which probably is the most likely one for the NVLP sucking so bad, is due to the infighting and the leadership of certain people that have caused it and have ruined the LP’s name here.
An ex-LP’er by the name of ‘Dennis’ had told me that one Jim Dunseling (if I am spelling his last name correctly), was the biggest asshole he had ever met in his life, and it was Jim’s actions that made him leave the party.
Hey, the situation is different with political parties in each state, and while the LP is organized and viable in many states, it sure isn’t in the Silver State, period.
LG: “Everyone thinks we are the most libertarian state , but i swear the opposite is true…”
Well, relative to the other states, you pretty much are. It might not feel that way to you, but it’s true. Nevada is certainly not even close to a libertarian state as far as the libertarian ideal goes, I’ll give you that. But overall, the political climate there is more conducive to most libertarian ideas than any other state in the country.
LG: “We have tried really hard to grow the party here , in every way imaginable and one would think it would be easy in the land of gambling and hookers , but it aint . and it isnt for anything we’ve done wrong or anything we havent done. not sure why our growth is soo slow.”
I do apologize if I implied that the Nevada LP is doing nothing at all to try to grow the party; I’m sure that’s not true. But it’s baffling to me why such a state wouldn’t have a couple hundred paid members (at the very least). The Mountain states in general should be ripe for the LP as far as members go. The Northeast, where I’m from? Not so much. If you think Nevada isn’t libertarian, try living in the region I hail from for a while. You’ll change your tune rather quickly, I think.
LG: “one reason is the D’s and R’s hate eachother more than they like us and even libertarian leaning folks we meet have ‘wased vote syndrome ‘and feel like joining us will somehow give a victory to the other guy.”
Absolutely. And this is an enormous problem for the LP or any alternative party (perhaps the biggest, or maybe just after ballot access and media exposure). In an electoral system like that of the U.S., many millions of people do coalesce around one of the two major parties and hate the other party passionately. Even when those people aren’t happy with candidates from their own party, they’ll vote for them anyway to try to defeat the opposition.
There’s no simple solution here, IMO. We just need to keep trying to reinforce the idea that the D party and R party are really ONE party, the party of government control and force, and the L party is the OTHER party, the party of individual choice and freedom. This is why I get annoyed when I hear Ls talk as though the D party or R party is significantly better than the other; it’s counterproductive to how we need people to think if the LP has any chance of achieving more success electorally in a winner-take-all system.
JT (Whom ever you are ……)// Jun 16, 2010:
Lake still stands by: “[is JT’s reading comprehension so low that you still think folks won’t notice that you are firmly in the Cody Banks school of ‘Making it up as you go along ????????]”
Summa Cum Latti Dah TJ: “I don’t even know who Cody Banks is. But as someone who graduated from one of the top journalism programs in the entire U.S., I’m pretty sure my reading comprehension is at least as good as yours.”
[a] I (Don Lake) am not so sure
[b] which campus ?????
[c] my award winning high school publication got more awards in ‘Missouri Youth Writes’ than all the other schools ‘en toto’ ——- including my personal winnings …… [yes, in 1802, but still]
[d] my college J – school classes were on the University of Missouri at Columbia [the acknowledged GLOBAL leader in print communications]
[e] more reading comprehension ??????? Well the THIRD HIT MOVIE is in planning ……… and with out TJ’s knowledge or help!
[Rotten Tomatoes [a filmology site]: “Frankie Muniz reprises his role as teenage CIA agent Cody Banks [aka: world’s oldest living eleven year old, Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk] in this sequel directed by Kevin Allen ………….”]
we’ve gone on rural outreach caravan trips , we bought a phone dialer that reaches out to everyone , we advertise our meetings , we do outreach , we do everything imaginable with little to no money , in 06 we passed out 90,000 brochures BY HAND . we developed our ‘road rallys’ . we’d find a congested intersection , and with reflective clothing( and permission from the cops) when the light turned red , id give a spiel on the bullhorn , others would walk the lanes passing out literature and still others walked up an down the street with campaign signs. also we had giant signs strategically placed with our platform positions.
it was a clever , SUPER CHEAP , way to get our message out to voters , and in 110 degree heat , i might add hardcore for an activist 🙂 this was in addition to walking districts at least 3 times a week , showing up to tabling events , showing up to debates when allowed and showing up to ptotest when we werent , speaking engagement , and all those awful questionaires , etc etc still in the end the net add of members was small and the numbers on election didnt reflect all the hard work we put in . in 08 we didnt do half the work we did in 06 , i blame burnout , but you know what , the numbers were the same…seriously depressing
We have tried really hard to grow the party here , in every way imaginable and one would think it would be easy in the land of gambling and hookers , but it aint . and it isnt for anything we’ve done wrong or anything we havent done. not sure why our growth is soo slow.
one reason is the D’s and R’s hate eachother more than they like us and even libertarian leaning folks we meet have ‘wased vote syndrome ‘and feel like joining us will somehow give a victory to the other guy
JT_Not really, because I didn’t even claim to have knowledge about everything as far as the Nevada LP goes. But I knew you said there was no Libertarian who would be a “quality candidate” to run for U.S. Senator in a state with legal prostitution, legal medical marijuana, and perhaps the lowest overall tax burden in the country, or close to it. That’s the only thing I was pointing a finger at with regard to the Nevada LP per se, and only because you brought it up.
me_ Ill concede that its wierd. Everyone thinks we are the most libertarian state , but i swear the opposite is true , we also have the largest per capita %age of Mormons , and nothing , nothing gets passed w/o their support.med pot was an anomoly. which is why , altho ill work really hard to make it happen, i predict the next pot initiative in 2012 will fail . also prostitution is only allowed in rural counties and i think reno , but in clark ounty where 80% of the people live , it is still outlawed .
and as far as taxes go , ive heard were low , but we also have super high gas taxes , super high alcohol taxes and other taxes it doesnt really feel low when your living here:) LOL
Me: “Do you think every Jewish American supports all the actions of the Israeli gov. or perpetual American foreign aid to Israel? ”
Lake: “[lots of them seem to do it, and lots of them are sneakie and snarkie ’bout it]”
Lots of “them” do it and lots of “them” don’t. Your generalizing about Jewish Americans, many of whom aren’t even religious and have no strong ties to Israel, is the same as racists attacking African-Americans as one monolithic group. It’s ignorant, to say the least.
And btw, in addition to the wrongheaded actions the Israeli government has taken and the quasi-socialist nature of the system there, Israel is still the most advanced society in the Middle East with the greatest equality under the law. I think that does count for something.
Lake: “[is your reading comprehension so low that you still think folks won’t notice that you are firmly in the Cody Banks school of ‘Making it up as you go along ????????]”
I don’t even know who Cody Banks is. But as someone who graduated from one of the top journalism programs in the entire U.S., I’m pretty sure my reading comprehension is at least as good as yours. Especially if yours is on a similar level as your writing on here.
Lake: “and Libertarian ’sage’ (yeah) Doctor George Phillies claims that the LP is the one and only 21st Century American Peace Party!”
This is a very important point to bring up hundreds of times after the fact. Keep doing it constantly. Sarcasm.
LG: “the LOL was the clue”
Okay. I don’t think “LOL” necessarily implies that a person doesn’t really mean what follows that, but that’s not worth arguing about.
LG: “however , in case you dont know the story behind why Jim changed his middle name to Libertarian , its because , back in the day ,he’s an old timer ya know , but back in the day they when we didn’t have ballot access and couldn’t get it ( not sure why) he did manage to get on he ballot, that was his way of making sure that the word Libertarian appeared on the ballot…”
I think I’ve heard that story. That’s a better reason for changing your middle name to Libertarian than just for the hell of it. But it’s still pretty weird, IMO, to do that just to get the word “Libertarian” to appear on a ballot with your name. That’s highly unlikely to win the election for you in itself.
and Libertarian ‘sage’ (yeah) Doctor George Phillies claims that the LP is the one and only 21st Century American Peace Party!
however , in case you dont know the story behind why Jim changed his middle name to Libertarian , its because , back in the day ,he’s an old timer ya know , but back in the day they when we didnt have ballot access and couldnt get it ( not sure why) he did manage to get on he ballot, tht was his way of making sure that the word Libertarian appeared on the ballot…
so , while i was joking , i was also speaking the truth , I can find some admiration in that as an activist
JT_Um, there was no “snottiness,” LG. I simply believed you meant what you said. I shouldn’t have taken your words at face value because that joke was so funny, I guess.j
me_ the LOL was the clue
LG: “me_ it was a joke , im sorry you replaced your sense of humor with snottiness.”
Um, there was no “snottiness,” LG. I simply believed you meant what you said. I shouldn’t have taken your words at face value because that joke was so funny, I guess.
LG: “we have a Gubernatorial candidate thank-you , and a damn fine one . maybe u should do your research before you open your mouth hurling insults like calling us pathetic.”
You’re not reading that correctly. I said “state governor OR U.S. Senator.” I wasn’t saying you didn’t have a candidate for governor. I was referring to what you said @ 67 about a candidate for U.S. Senator: “there just wasn’t a quality candidate.” Well, there SHOULD be in an entire state. And if there isn’t a decent Libertarian in the entire state willing to run for that office, then I stand by my characterization of that particular thing being pathetic for ANY state party. Sorry if that offends you.
Everything else in my last paragraph wasn’t a criticism of YOUR state party. It was a general view that applies to ANY state party, not aimed specifically at the Nevada LP. So all of your other points in rebuttal aren’t even necessary.
LG: “Party members that actualy show up and do shit , pay dues , willing to run , far far less than a cpl hundred , so stand corrected , we are a skeleton crew and we are doing the best we can.”
You don’t have a couple of hundred LP members in Nevada? My mistake then; I thought that since Nevada is one of the most libertarian states in the U.S. (not absolutely, but relative to most others) then the Nevada LP would have close to a couple of hundred LP members who “do shit.” It’s kind of baffling why you don’t.
LG: “yet another example of people pointing fingers when their knowledge is limited…”
Not really, because I didn’t even claim to have knowledge about everything as far as the Nevada LP goes. But I knew you said there was no Libertarian who would be a “quality candidate” to run for U.S. Senator in a state with legal prostitution, legal medical marijuana, and perhaps the lowest overall tax burden in the country, or close to it. That’s the only thing I was pointing a finger at with regard to the Nevada LP per se, and only because you brought it up.
JT_What is it that you like best? That he’s a loon? Fantastic
me_ it was a joke , im sorry you replaced your sense of humor with snottiness
JT_And for the last time, if there’s no good Libertarian willing to be a candidate for state governor or U.S. Senator in an entire state, then that’s pathetic. Whether you can get such a candidate on the ballot is a different story, but one should exist. This isn’t like not being able to find a good Libertarian willing to be a candidate in a particular U.S. House district, which is understandable. I’d expect we’re talking about a state with presumably at least a couple of hundred LP members, I’d expect. If I’m wrong about that, please correct me.
me_ every sentence in that paragraph is wrong
“And for the last time, if there’s no good Libertarian willing to be a candidate for state governor or U.S. Senator in an entire state, then that’s pathetic. ”
we have a Gubernatorial candidate thank-you , and a damn fine one . maybe u should do your research before you open your mouth hurling insults like calling us pathetic.
“Whether you can get such a candidate on the ballot is a different story, but one should exist.”
we have ballot access , not permanently , we have to win it every election and our pathetic asses manage to do that so…
“This isn’t like not being able to find a good Libertarian willing to be a candidate in a particular U.S. House district,”
we have 3 congressional districts and had all 3 filled with candiates , 1 had to drop out due to health problems
“I’d expect we’re talking about a state with presumably at least a couple of hundred LP members, I’d expect. If I’m wrong about that, please correct me.”
we have 5000 registered Libs , Party members that actualy show up and do shit , pay dues , willing to run , far far less than a cpl hundred , so stand corrected , we are a skeleton crew and we are doing the best we can .
yet another example of people pointing fingers when their knowledge is limited…
I think one “I’d expect” was enough for the second-to-last sentence above.
Brian: “I heard that Brian Holtz is a fascist Zionist warmonger because he’s Jewish.
I’ve also heard that you can’t believe everything you hear, especially if you hear it from someone with an obvious agenda.”
Brian, I said that’s what I’d heard, not what I accepted as a fact. And anyway, that’s a tad different than calling someone a Zionist Fascist Warmonger, IMO. Given Root’s constant hostility focused on the Democratic president and congressional Democratic leaders, it’s hardly an idea that’s difficult for someone to think might be true.
Me: I agree. I think anyone who legally changes his middle name to Libertarian (or Republican, or Democrat) clearly has some screws loose.”
LG: “LOL thats what I like BEST about him.”
What is it that you like best? That he’s a loon? Fantastic.
LG: “and for the last time , not running a candidate had NOTHING to do with wanting Reid to lose , we are under no illusions a GOP senator would be any diferent . there just wasnt a quality candidate. we have to turn burns down every 2 years for senate or congress. are other good candiates were already running for congress ect.”
And for the last time, if there’s no good Libertarian willing to be a candidate for state governor or U.S. Senator in an entire state, then that’s pathetic. Whether you can get such a candidate on the ballot is a different story, but one should exist. This isn’t like not being able to find a good Libertarian willing to be a candidate in a particular U.S. House district, which is understandable. I’d expect we’re talking about a state with presumably at least a couple of hundred LP members, I’d expect. If I’m wrong about that, please correct me.
JT (Whom ever you are) // Jun 15, 2010:
———- Lake: “Also ask him about murdered American sailors on international waters with the non combatant USS Liberty via the Israeli thugs, er, ah, um, government! Expect a similar NON answer, also Bruce Cohen” [an admitted Zionist!]
Lake, what’s your obsession with attacking Jewish Americans ——— none,
[Sacramento, California] so called reformer John ‘$500 to Frank MacKay’ Bambey is not Jewish.]
[He how ever acts likes an Israel First American Zionist and is a self admitted Zionist]
“Or those you perceive to be Jewish Americans,”
——– [no stated problem, exspect BY YOU!]
“with Israeli government actions?”
———- [a lot of folks across the globe have problems with Israel! They have squandered their good will from 1947 in a thousand ways, including killing non combatants on the USS Liberty ……….]
” Do you think every Jewish American supports all the actions of the Israeli gov. or perpetual American foreign aid to Israel? ”
[lots of them seem to do it, and lots of them are sneakie and snarkie ’bout it]
[is your reading comprehension so low that you still think folks won’t notice that you are firmly in the Cody Banks school of ‘Making it up as you go along ????????]
I heard that he urged the Nevada LP not to run a candidate in the race because he badly wanted Reid to lose.
I heard that Brian Holtz is a fascist Zionist warmonger because he’s Jewish.
I’ve also heard that you can’t believe everything you hear, especially if you hear it from someone with an obvious agenda.
JT_I agree. I think anyone who legally changes his middle name to Libertarian (or Republican, or Democrat) clearly has some screws loose.
me_ LOL thats what I like BEST about him
and for the last time , not running a candidate had NOTHING to do with wanting Reid to lose , we are under no illusions a GOP senator would be any diferent . there just wasnt a quality candidate. we have to turn burns down every 2 years for senate or congress. are other good candiates were already running for congress ect.
David Nolan:
“1) Jim Burns is a colossal douche and borderline loon. The Nevada LP shows good judgment in not wanting him as a candidate.”
I agree. I think anyone who legally changes his middle name to Libertarian (or Republican, or Democrat) clearly has some screws loose. And a weirdo as a Libertarian candidate is worse than no candidate, IMO. I’ve got to believe there’s one non-bizarre, age-appropriate Libertarian in an entire state who wants to run for state governor or U.S. Senator. The alternative is too sad for me to contemplate.
David Nolan: “2) Root would have been a fine candidate for U.S. Senate, but chose to run for LNC Chair instead. Two bad decisions, IMHO.”
I agree as well. Root’s disdain for Harry Reid (which I don’t blame him for) might have been a strong factor in that decision. I heard that he urged the Nevada LP not to run a candidate in the race because he badly wanted Reid to lose. That isn’t right, IMO; the LP should be running candidates whenever and where it can, not worrying about whether certain Ds or Rs lose elections. We’re either an independent party separate from all others or we’re not.
JT , good fucking questions .
Lunatic Lake: “Also ask him about murdered American sailors on international waters with the non combatant USS Liberty via the Israeli thugs, er, ah, um government! Expect a similar NON answer, also Bruce Cohen”
Lake, what’s your obsession with attacking Jewish Americans, or those you perceive to be Jewish Americans, with Israeli government actions? Do you think every Jewish American supports all the actions of the Israeli gov. or perpetual American foreign aid to Israel?
I did not say otherwise.
Michael, both quotes are perfectly consistent with the Cato analysis that the government had created too many new dollars for the stock of gold it held.
Okay Brian here’s another opinion.
“As part of his reelection campaign, Nixon also wanted to punish French president Charles DeGaulle. In compliance to federal direction, the US media caricaturized the elegant, aloof French hero as unappreciative. After all, American conscripts had saved the French from the Hun in two world wars. This comic opera general was greedily using American dollars to plunder our gold reserves. Putting this ingrate in his place would resonate well with US voters.”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blumert/blumert35.html
“A second issue was also now at the fore — the dollar. The price of gold had been fixed at $35 an ounce since the Roosevelt administration. But the growing U.S. balance-of-payments deficit meant that foreign governments were accumulating large amounts of dollars — in aggregate volume far exceeding the U.S. government’s stock of gold. These governments, or their central banks, could show up at any time at the “gold window” of the U.S. Treasury and insist on trading in their dollars for gold, which would precipitate a run. The issue was not theoretical. In the second week of August 1971, the British ambassador turned up at the Treasury Department to request that $3 billion be converted into gold.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/shared/minitext/ess_nixongold.html
When a web search on my name can’t find my position on a question, it’s reasonably safe to bet I’d endorse the Cato Institute’s answer. When you search on Nixon “gold window” site:cato.org, the third result says this:
“In 1971, Nixon shut the gold window because the Federal Reserve had expanded the stock of dollars too much to maintain the $35 per
ounce parity. Nixon’s action could have been avoided had the Fed not expanded the stock of dollars so much in the 1960s.” — Cato Institute Briefing Paper, 2008.
One IPR troll is obsessed with the USS Liberty incident, and is convinced that because “Holtz” sounds Jewish to him, I presumably defend Israel and its attack on the Liberty during the Six-Day War. I refuse to bow to the pressure of bigots to distance myself from those against whom they are bigoted. This troll may feel free to consider me part of any ethnic group against which he is prejudiced. He’d probably come for my kind at some point anyway, so I’ll stand next to those he comes after first, even if I’m not with them.
Oops, ya shined the ‘torch’ (British for flash light) on the West Coast spin doctor (Brian Holtz)!
(Also ask him about murdered American sailors on international waters with the non combatant USS Liberty via the Israeli thugs, er, ah, um government! Expect a similar NON answer, also Bruce Cohen ………..)
Brian you made a claim about Nixon and the gold window but you still have not explained why he closed it. I at least attempted an explanation. What’s yours?
BH writes; “Michael, inflation is caused by inflating the money supply, not by moving money across borders.”
No shit Sherlock. I’ve taken more than one econ class. Probably cost a few under my belt.
Error alert! “Here is a Heritage Foundation link to the work of Time Kane” That should be Tim Kane; Phd
Here is a Heritage Foundation link to the work of Time Kane listing the deployment of U.S. troops abroad.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2004/10/Global-US-Troop-Deployment-1950-2003.
You may wish to ask about the economic consequences of this large deployment.
It would also be nice if someone who has more skills than I do could print out these charts and have them available for us.
SL: For some reason this information isn’t readily available for US Army.
I gave the links @44. Now can you cite any hard evidence showing that the data is inaccurate?
Michael, inflation is caused by inflating the money supply, not by moving money across borders.
Brian I think you will find that one of the reasons the Eisenhower administration was opposed to the military buildup of the fifties is that they thought that it would be inflationary. If my recall is correct you’ll find that David Halberstam refers to this in his book the “Fifties”.
Secondly from the history that I recall the central banks of some of the European nations were trying to convert their dollar reserves into gold. The Brits were especially adamant about this in 1971. I think the French also played this game. Which raises a question? Where did they get those dollars from? We weren’t buying bangers and snails from them. However, we had a large deployment of U.S. troops in Europe at the time and had since the end of WWII. Those troops, their dependents and the Pentagon spent a lot of money in Europe, as did tourist at the time. Those dollars ended up in European banks. Those banks then sought to exchange those dollars for our old.
And for the record Brian I have argued that the Social Security and other programs of the government are failures. In fact I once got into an argument in a theatre in Baltimore with a guy who worked for them years ago.
I doubt that the reason Nixon closed the gold window was because of the costs of troop deployments like in the 120 nations where we currently average 17 troops each. (That’s the average from #30 Colombia with 84 troops down to #149 Guyana with 1 troop.)
Only 84 troops in Colombia? So what are the other troops there, mercenaries…er, “security contractors”?
I’m fairly sure that there is some obfuscation going on here. Perhaps the troops we have in these other countries are officially stationed at Ft Knox or some other facility and are merely deployed for short intervals.
I did a quick “wiki” search and was able to find “British Army- deployments”, which shows far more troops in the countries where they are active. For some reason this information isn’t readily available for US Army.
Still, arguing over whether there are “only” 84 troops permanently deployed to Colombia or a more easily believable several thousand, it’s too many. The US has NO business being militarily involved in such hellholes.
PEACE
I doubt that the reason Nixon closed the gold window was because of the costs of troop deployments like in the 120 nations where we currently average 17 troops each. (That’s the average from #30 Colombia with 84 troops down to #149 Guyana with 1 troop.)
If you want to know what expenses drove that decision, better instead to look at the graph I gave @44.
DF_3) LG rocks! She is (to use her own phrase) “cute, and a little bit crazy.” What more could one ask for?
me_ aww thanks! you rock too , cant wait to see you at Freedom Fest
I happen to agree with David Nolan on his point that Root would have made a fine candidate for U.S. Senate.
I will add that he probably would have received significant media exposure. A lost opportunity. Whatever.
mhw: Last I heard no one was running in Nevada to call Reid on this or any of the other issues I mentioned and that is a shame.
me: “We’re doing what we can.” A day may come when the LP can run every race, but today’s not that day.
Looks like Jim Burns is a presidential candidate again. for 2012.
“2) Root would have been a fine candidate for U.S. Senate, but chose to run for LNC Chair instead. Two bad decisions, IMHO.”
I’d prefer to see Root run for a local or state government office.
Gee Brian who do you think you are Ronald Reagan; “There you go again”.
You might ask yourself why Nixon closed the gold window? It is a bit more detailed than what you have shown, or maybe he did it on a whim.
MW: I am not going to play the silly games Mr. Holtz and Mr. Capozzi make up.
What’s silly is to fret about troops deployed in “120 countries”, when 80 of those countries have less than 40 troops deployed in each.
MW: Got a source Brian?
My data are from http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2009/hst0906.pdf and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployments_of_the_U.S._Military. Spain is 12th with 1274 U.S. active duty military personnel there.
MW: Additionally the same time period has seen a significant increase in inflation which basically was flat in the years prior to 1950.
There you go again. As I explained before: The real inflection point is 1971, when Nixon ended the gold convertability of the dollar, thus triggering the formation of the Libertarian Party.
And whatever correlation-to-causation story you want to tell between warfare-state-spending and inflation, an even stronger story can be told about welfare-state spending:
My observations, for what they are worth (probably not much, as I don’t live in Nevada) …
1) Jim Burns is a colossal douche and borderline loon. The Nevada LP shows good judgment in not wanting him as a candidate.
2) Root would have been a fine candidate for U.S. Senate, but chose to run for LNC Chair instead. Two bad decisions, IMHO.
3) LG rocks! She is (to use her own phrase) “cute, and a little bit crazy.” What more could one ask for?
Well, at least Burns will be tan, rested and ready for the 2012 presidential campaign.
Root has been declining to run for that LONG BEFORE , Burns was NOTA’d , at least a year and a half
@LG – I wasn’t talking about the NOTA on Jim Burns; I was talking about Root declining to run himself presumably AFTER Burns was “NOTA’d”
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/nevada-libertarians-choose-nota-for-senate/
Also good to see the Party name in the news… Yet again.
LG in the paragraph I wrote I referred to Harry Reid in the second sentence.
Maybe I was not specific enough but the point I was making is that no one is running from the LP against Reid but pardon me. I was on the way out the door to work on a petition and rushing it.
all the LP candidates are friends of Liberty
If the IAP were wise, they would go to Angle and cut a deal. Withdraw Fasano and endorse Angle in exchange for Angle’s financial support and endorsement for an IAP nominee for state legislature.
= I don’t know. But one thing is for sure, we’re still going after Ashjian.
geez ur irritating today . dude is a bi-gender word , at least for me , number 1 .
and we arent just talking about US Senate , you said —
“Is there anyone in Nevada running who is saying bring home the troops and explaining the costs of keeping some 200K or more of them overseas in 120 or more countries? Anyone challenging Harry on keeping the troops in Afghanistan. Anyone saying ending the drug war? How about repealing the Patriot Act? Anyone saying we need an alternative to the FED?
If not then there are no friends of Liberty running in Nevada”
u didnt say FOR US SENATE , and after that RC said
“mhw, it appears the NVLP has 2 candidates for congress: Ed Klapproth and Joseph P. Silvestri.”
I am talking about our Congressional candidates ,Joe Silvestri and Ed Klapproth
So LG, are you dudette? I guess the LP does have someone running for U.S. Senate then. Is that what you are telling me?
MHW_Last I heard no one was running in Nevada to call Reid on this or any of the other issues I mentioned and that is a shame.
me_ look dude I dont know who you heard that from , but its a lie , its either someone that doesnt know what they are talking about or someone with an ax to grind . Ive known and worked with Joe Silvestri for 10 years , Klapproth for 3 , they are both anti drug war , anti war , anti fed , anti -patriot act , etc .
BTW Brian did you leave out Spain?
And if anyone cares to dig into the issue of U.S. deployment over the recent decades try this link.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2006/05/Global-US-Troop-Deployment-1950-2005
I am not going to play the silly games Mr. Holtz and Mr. Capozzi make up.
The point is the U.S. has had a significant number of troops deployed abroad since the end of WWII and it costs the U.S. taxpayer a bunch of money. Additionally the same time period has seen a significant increase in inflation which basically was flat in the years prior to 1950.
Last I heard no one was running in Nevada to call Reid on this or any of the other issues I mentioned and that is a shame.
Got a source Brian?
I’m excited about the fact that there is a tea party movement and a massive grass-roots push-back against the recent enormous leap in government spending and debt and regulations and bail-outs and new programs and (coming-soon) taxes. All those protesters out there may not be libertarians (at least not yet) but they understand that our country’s current path is headed in an absolutely disastrous direction which can only end in destruction if it is not altered soon.
After being voices in the wilderness all these years, libertarians should applaud and encourage all of these new voices speaking out against leviathan government. When tea party-supported candidates take on the major political parties and shake them up and defeat establishment politicians, this is a good thing.
Accordingly, when I see a Rand Paul or Sharron Angle win a primary election, I consider that a step in the right direction. I disagree with them on various issues, but overall they are much closer to a libertarian viewpoint than to the traditionalist conservative party line. And they are focusing on the economic issues which can unite a broad swath of the American public. I like seeing the Republican leadership in panic mode as it discovers that it can no longer keep the peon voters under control while conducting business-as-usual.
There are many possible strategies and tactics and organizations to advance freedom. The Libertarian Party is the one I happen to be primarily working through, but that doesn’t mean that other paths need to be denigrated. Libertarians should be reaching out to all the newly-concerned and motivated citizens, and looking for areas to agree on rather than to differ on.
I will certainly not be unhappy if both Rand Paul and Sharron Angle defeat their much, much more statist opponents in November.
the rank and file think that he is disengenous ………
Phillies // Jun 11, 2010:
“… Republican Party of Nevada has handed is (???????) a great opportunity, namely that we (???????) can run as the party of sanity.”
[assuming that the above is a true and legit posting …. is The East Side Peace Freak Phillies also the New England version of Lib GOP neo con W. A. R. ????????]
lg, generally, sure. But the rate of government growth matters, too. Divided government generally leads to slower growth than one-party rule, which we have now.
So, I’m rooting for Angle for strategic reasons. Unseating a sitting majority leader has some marginal benefit, as I see it. Narrowing the D majority in the Senate…ditto.
It won’t lead to heroin dispensers in the school cafeteria ;-), but Angle winning could lead to a more contentious Senate, which I’d say is good for liberty, from a technical perspective. I’m sure I disagree with many of Angle’s views as much as I disagree with Reid’s, btw.
Had Silvestri , Santucci , Root or maybe a cpl others run for US Senate , they would have gotten it , not running a candidate had solely to do with there not being a quality candidate for that office . NOONE IN NEVADA CARES IF REID OR THE GOP CHICK ETS ELECTED , THE OUTCOME WILL BE THE SAME FOR US , MORE GOVERNMENT.
MHW_Michael H. Wilson // Jun 13, 2010 at 8:16 am
Is there anyone in Nevada running who is saying bring home the troops and explaining the costs of keeping some 200K or more of them overseas in 120 or more countries? Anyone challenging Harry on keeping the troops in Afghanistan. Anyone saying ending the drug war? How about repealing the Patriot Act? Anyone saying we need an alternative to the FED?
If not then there are no friends of Liberty running in Nevada
me_ YES , BY GOD YES. while neither is a blatant anarchist they both ecsp . Silvestri say bring the troops home – NOW and end the drug war. repealing the patriot act – duh , of course , the fed is bad , another duh of course , we are running LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES YA KNOW! LOL
we used to run on unified platforms we’d pick 5 planks for state candidates and 5 for federal candiates , bringing troops home and repealing the patriot act and a drug war plank are always included.
Brian Holtz // Jun 13, 2010 at 10:28 am
BH_Is there anyone in Nevada running who is advocating my top four favorite proposals for implementing my four favorite planks of the 27-plank LP platform?
If not then there are no friends of Liberty running in Nevada
me_ are u joking?if not what are the 4 proposals and ill get back to you.
both Silvestri , who won us ballot access last time and got chuck muths endorsement , and Ed Klapproth are excellent candidates.
DP_Wayne “Elephant in the room” Root is primarily responsible for the LP not running a candidate in Nevada – he didn’t want to hurt the GOP’s chance of defeating Reid.
me_ not even close , yes he spoke against Jim Burns , but thats just because he ws there , had he not been there the rest would have still spoke againt him . we in nevada have to turn Jim Burns down for a top office every two years , you may also remember that national does the same thing to Jim every four years for president , 2012 will be no exception . had jim burns run for assembly or something he would have gotten it , but like phillies , he never wants to run for something smaller , he wants the big one , the top enchelada , the highest profile . we think and have for some time that burns should not be our candidate for a high profile office , i will not get into why , but if you disagree i beg you to try working with him for a decade and get back to me. or voting him down HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH NOT WANTING TO SPLIT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE AND HAND REID A WIN . WE COULD GIVE A SHIT LESS WHETHER THE D OR R WINS , ITLL BE THE SAME OUTCOME. WE JUST WANTED A QUALITY CANDIDATE FOR THAT RACE AND THERE WAS NONE .PERIOD.
he is running for president yet again , he will run for Chair next convention , why? cause he truly believes he’s the best we have and thats his ideas are better ect. I like Jim but every time we turn him down he storms out of the convention , seriously , storms out.
bh, thanks for the data. It’d be interesting to know whether most of those non-5 are Marines at embassies. Until the State whithers away, I’m OK with embassies and I’m OK with post a few Marines at them to protect the joint.
That 120 number is disingenuous and highly misleading, regardless. Using such a disembodied, out-of-context fact is contra-indicated…IMO. I’d encourage those who use it to cease and desist if they want to maintain their credibility, UNLESS they are out and out abolitionists who maintain that one Marine is one Marine too many.
bh, I assume there’s an implied 😉 at the end of your post, yes?
mhw, yours is set one of the highest litmus tests I’ve ever seen at 16. Do you take that to Wian proportions: You’re either with us (me) or against us (me)?
To make it real, were I to run for Congress, I’d not run on those issues, at least not precisely those. In this hypothetical, would I not be a friend of Liberty in your book?
In the name of clarity….
explaining the costs of keeping some 200K or more of them overseas in 120 or more countries?
Gosh, “120 or more countries” sounds like a lot. But of the top 120 countries in U.S. military deployments, would you please “explain the costs of keeping” the ones deployed in the bottom 100? Here, I’ll add them up for you:
Ireland 7
Latvia 7
Slovenia 7
Armenia 7
Kyrgyzstan 7
Botswana 7
Guinea 7
Albania 8
Malta 8
Syria 8
Barbados 8
Algeria 9
Cameroon 9
Chad 9
Congo 9
Cote D’Ivoire 9
Mali 9
Senegal 9
Uganda 9
Azerbaijan 10
Burma 10
Nepal 10
Ethiopia 10
Tanzania 10
Zimbabwe 10
Guatemala 10
Jamaica 10
Macedonia, 11
Slovakia 11
Cambodia 11
New Zealand 11
Bangladesh 11
Uruguay 11
Bosnia 12
Czech 12
Lithuania 12
Kazakhstan 12
Ukraine 12
Sri Lanka 12
Haiti 12
Paraguay 12
Croatia 13
Sweden 13
Georgia 13
Tajikistan 13
Bulgaria 14
Ghana 14
Liberia 14
Bolivia 14
Nicaragua 14
Venezuela 14
Tunisia 15
Morocco 16
Vietnam 17
Yemen 17
Cyprus 18
Denmark 18
Finland 19
Romania 19
Marshall 19
Malaysia 20
Somalia 20
El Salvador 21
Austria 22
Switzerland 22
Nigeria 22
Panama 25
Indonesia 26
India 27
Dominican Republic 27
Argentina 28
Poland 30
Jordan 30
Chile 30
Mexico 30
Ecuador 33
South Africa 34
Brazil 37
Kenya 38
Oman 39
Peru 41
Pakistan 43
Israel 46
Bahamas, 48
Russia 56
Hungary 59
France 61
China 68
Norway 76
St. Helena 81
Colombia 84
Thailand 101
United Arab Emirates 104
Philippines 111
Singapore 122
Canada 130
Australia 138
Greenland 146
Diego Garcia 245
Egypt 255
TOTAL 3265
The truth of the matter is that the costs of our overseas deployments in non-combat theaters are concentrated in just five countries:
Germany 53960
Japan 33428
Korea 27014
Italy 9474
United Kingdom 9367
No other nation has more than 1600 U.S. personnel. But “120 or more countries” sounds a lot more expensive, doesn’t it? Does such rhetoric really count as “explaining costs”?
End Bush’s nation-building wars. Tell Europe, Japan, and Korea it’s time to grow up and defend themselves. But let’s be clear about where and what the costs are.
Or, if you want to obfuscate the costs, then you can change “120 or more countries” to “149 countries”, and just not tell people that half of them have less than 15 personnel each.
Is there anyone in Nevada running who is advocating my top four favorite proposals for implementing my four favorite planks of the 27-plank LP platform?
If not then there are no friends of Liberty running in Nevada.
mhw, it appears the NVLP has 2 candidates for congress: Ed Klapproth and Joseph P. Silvestri.
Is there anyone in Nevada running who is saying bring home the troops and explaining the costs of keeping some 200K or more of them overseas in 120 or more countries? Anyone challenging Harry on keeping the troops in Afghanistan. Anyone saying ending the drug war? How about repealing the Patriot Act? Anyone saying we need an alternative to the FED?
If not then there are no friends of Liberty running in Nevada.
dwp: …Root is primarily responsible for the LP not running a candidate in Nevada – he didn’t want to hurt the GOP’s chance of defeating Reid.
There is no fundamental difference between the two halves of the Republicratic/Demopublican Duopoly.
me: Agree. Fundamentally, there is no REAL difference between Rs and Ds, since neither party has a commitment to reducing net State coercion. But there are good reasons for Ls to act strategically in allocating its resources. As a general proposition, Ds (and Rs) in leadership positions who stand for re-election are ones IMO we should MOST want to see defeated, as it tends to renounce the leadership’s recent track record.
With friends of liberty — even with some significant “deviations” — like the Pauls, it makes little sense to expend opportunity costs on Ls challenging them electorally.
Oh, I see Danny. Yes, I meant a future legislative candidate of the IAP–in 2012 or so.
Why do you say that Danny?
Trent, that would only be wise for Angle if it was AFTER this election.
P2004 Green Party: Cobb and LaMarshe ‘go easy on Dems in close races’ (or words to that affect ………..)
Darryl W. Perry: “There is no fundamental difference between the two halves of the Republicratic/Demopublican Duopoly.”
Wayne “Elephant in the room” Root is primarily responsible for the LP not running a candidate in Nevada – he didn’t want to hurt the GOP’s chance of defeating Reid.
There is no fundamental difference between the two halves of the Republicratic/Demopublican Duopoly.
kind of interesting that the IAPs run against Angle but the LP doesn’t run against Rand Paul. Different states, different ballot access, etc., of course, but interesting. I’m sure the KYLP knows what it’s doing, and contesting Rand may be a suboptimal use of resources. I’ve not studied all his positions, but his winning is probably a net plus for liberty, I’d guess.
Ill be voting NOTA or MAYBE for Tim Fasano ( , but Ill make a prediction that either Reid or Angle will win …LOL and before anyone goes saying by not voting for Angle I’ll be wasting my vote and giving Reid the victory , Im under no illusions that a GOP leadership would be any less intrusive than a Democratic one . I wish Wayne would have run in this one , so , so bad 🙁
NewFederalist // Jun 12, 2010 at 9:57 am
“If the IAP were wise…”
Hmmm… like Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk wise ……….. ????????
Walker’s ‘all of whom do vote’ [ all …..100% ??????? and how is Quirk and Doctor Coo Coo and the other South West extremists doing ??????????? ]
“If the IAP were wise…”
Hmmm…
I’m sure most of the IAP voters will vote for the IAP Senate nominee, Tim Fasano.
If the IAP were wise, they would go to Angle and cut a deal. Withdraw Fasano and endorse Angle in exchange for Angle’s financial support and endorsement for an IAP nominee for state legislature.
Harry Reid is, in my oppinion, the politician equivalent of a prostitute. The Independent American Party of Nevada, has more than 57,000 registered voters, all of whom do vote. With their support added to the support of true Republicans, Sharron is very likely to replace Reid. How do you say “Harry Reid” in past tense?
Harry Reid is, in my oppinion, the politician equivalent of a prostitute. The Independent American Party of Nevad, has more than 57,000 registered voter, all of whom do vote. With their support added to the support of true Republicans, Sharron is very likely to replace Reid. How do you say “Harry Reid” in past tense?
Yes, the Republican Party of Nevada has handed is a great opportunity, namely that we can run as the party of sanity.
I dont think that any of this information is a bad thing, of course Reid thinks following the Constitution closely is nutty.