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Supporters of former Libertarian candidate Ron Paul heckle Cheney, Rumsfeld, call them war criminals at CPAC

Via John Grooms at Atlanta’s Creative Loafing:

Yesterday at CPAC, the big conservative conference in D.C., Ron Paul supporters and other libertarians in the crowd spoiled a sweet Bush-era reunion by launching a shouting match and protest action. First, Donald Rumsfeld was brought onstage, where CPAC was to present him with, unbelievable as it sounds, its “Defender Of The Constitution” award. Many Ron Paul supporters immediately got up and walked out en masse. When things settled down, the host introduced the presenter for Rummy’s award, former VP Dick Cheney. A majority of the audience stood and cheered but, as Cheney stood at the podium soaking up the love, boos from some libertarians could also be heard, as well as shouts of “Where’s bin Laden?” and “You’re a war criminal!” That led the pro-Cheney majority to shout down the libertarian hecklers with the always-original old favorite, “USA! USA!”

It’s the second time this week that libertarians in the GOP have done something American lefties agree with. Earlier in the week, a startling temporary coalition of liberal Dems and libertarian Republicans squelched the re-authorization of parts of the Patriot Act, in protest of the law’s disregard for Americans’ civil liberties. It’s often been noted that serious liberals and serious libertarians agree on several major issues, including civil liberties and a “take care of America first,” non-interventionist foreign policy. Here’s hoping the two factions get together and find areas on which they can cooperate in Congress. One suggestion: Start work on shutting down many of the nearly 1,000 foreign military bases our government operates at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Meanwhile, here’s a video of Cheney’s reception at CPAC

In somewhat related news, Boston Tea Party national chair Darryl Perry writes

Not only would a Mubarak trial look bad for the government of the United States of America for supporting his regime for the past 30 years, such action would likely embolden those who support war crimes trials for George W. Bush & Dick Cheney. [..] On several occasions people have tried to perform a “citizens arrest” on the former VP, and he was recently heckled to shouts of “war criminal” at CPAC. In December 2008 and again in February 2010 Dick Cheney even admitted to war crimes and has yet to be held accountable for his crimes. According to the U.S. Army’s Law of Land Warfare (Field Manual 27-10) both Cheney & Bush should be held trial for war crimes.

Ron Paul was the 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate, and remains a life member of the Libertarian Party, saying recently that “I believe the Libertarian Party has done a great service in promoting the libertarian philosophy, and I continue to have many friends and supporters in the Libertarian Party…”

Other CPAC 2011 coverage on IPR:

Huffington Post on CPAC Straw Poll: Ron Paul wins Again! Gary Johnson tied for third place

Jimmy McMillan is at CPAC

Third Party CPAC Roundup 2/10/11

Libertarians at CPAC present Republican Wall of Shame

Supporters of former Libertarian candidate Ron Paul and one time possible Reform Party candidate Donald Trump clash at CPAC

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  1. Andy Andy February 18, 2011

    “Most of the libertarians at CPAC were Ron Paul supporters. There were also some Gary Johnson supporters, LP representatives, and people from various libertarian think tanks, but I have a hard time picturing any of them standing up like this.”

    I think that one person could have been in all of these catagories. I would have been if I had been there.

  2. paulie paulie February 17, 2011

    The title explains why the post is at IPR. We don’t normally cover Republican candidates. Paul is only of interest to us because of his Libertarian Party connection.

    From the post (see body of post for embedded link) Ron Paul was the 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate, and remains a life member of the Libertarian Party, saying recently that “I believe the Libertarian Party has done a great service in promoting the libertarian philosophy, and I continue to have many friends and supporters in the Libertarian Party…”

    If I was posting this article somewhere other than IPR I would not have put that in the title, or that paragraph in the post.

  3. George Phillies George Phillies February 17, 2011

    However, with respect to the title Paul is more accurately the former Republican candidate for their nomination…Paul ran as a Libertarian almost a quarter-century ago, and has since run with another party.

  4. Porn Again Christian Porn Again Christian February 17, 2011

    “IMO, the more the better irrespective of party affiliation.”

    Agreed!

  5. Jay Matthews Jay Matthews February 17, 2011

    By “Paul Camp” I was referring to RP himself and any of his personal staff, not supporters.

    “I’m more interested in seeing news about various libertarian candidates and parties at various levels calling for official war crimes trials.”

    IMO, the more the better irrespective of party affiliation.

  6. paulie paulie February 17, 2011

    All I’m saying is a story being widely reported doesn’t make it factual.

    This is true. As I said I am open to new information if any comes along.

    Now that being said if one is familiar w/the views of most RP supporters those shouting were likely supporters of his.

    Agreed.

    As for why no denial by the Paul camp I doubt they were present during Cheney’s speech but I don’t know that.

    Multiple Paul supporters were there. Just a guess, some of them would probably have known one or more of the people speaking up. If they were not in the Ron Paul camp, I’d be surprised if it has not come out by now. Of course, my information sources are less than perfect, so maybe it has come out and I just did not know.

    Interesting side note for what it’s worth: even Grooms doesn’t state the hecklers were RP supporters. He just calls them libertarians.

    Most of the libertarians at CPAC were Ron Paul supporters. There were also some Gary Johnson supporters, LP representatives, and people from various libertarian think tanks, but I have a hard time picturing any of them standing up like this.

    Whereas, this ultra-fervent and every once in a while slightly hooliganish element among Ron Paul supporters is nothing new. No, it is not connected to the official campaign or encouraged by Paul himself, nor did I say it was.
    If I had to lay odds I would say there is a pretty good chance they are also Alex Jones fans. There’s a big overlap there. However, that last part is just a guess.

    I’m glad they called Cheney/Rumsfeld out, and I still believe they were Ron Paul supporters or I would have seen something saying they weren’t by now, but if something like that does surface, I’ll print it.

    Honestly, I’m more interested in seeing news about various libertarian candidates and parties at various levels calling for official war crimes trials. It’s starting to come in from the Boston Tea Party, maybe we’ll hear from some Libertarian Party candidates and locals next.

  7. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt February 17, 2011

    PAC @ 66 is right. Dick Cheney IS a war criminal and should be in prison. He sent our soldiers into war based on lies. His actions are responsible for thousnads of civilion deaths, along with some of our soldiers.

    If that doesn’t make him a war criminal, then who is one?

    I’m delighted that it made the news. I wouldn’t be surprised if the people shouting were Ron Paul supporters, and it makes me proud that I’m a Paulite, also.

  8. Jay Matthews Jay Matthews February 17, 2011

    Actually there are plenty of other biases besides the Fox News footage matter.

    All I’m saying is a story being widely reported doesn’t make it factual. (Especially if multiple news outlets are running with the same story by the same source. Reprints of stories occur all the time.)

    Now that being said if one is familiar w/the views of most RP supporters those shouting were likely supporters of his.

    As for why no denial by the Paul camp I doubt they were present during Cheney’s speech but I don’t know that.

    Interesting side note for what it’s worth: even Grooms doesn’t state the hecklers were RP supporters. He just calls them libertarians.

  9. Porn Again Christian Porn Again Christian February 17, 2011

    What’s there to deny?

    They should be proud of calling out a war criminal.

    If Heinrich Himmler was presenting a “defender of the fatherland” award to Hermann Goering and you could call them out without being arrested, beaten or shot, wouldn’t you do it?

  10. paulie paulie February 17, 2011

    I’ve yet to see any evidence they were other than “reports” though it does stand to reason they likely were.

    Why no denial, if it isn’t true?

    The current “accident” with Fox News “reporting” RP’s 2011 CPAC straw poll win being announced to a cascade of boos is only the latest.

    That was one report, and contradicting evidence has already come to light. This has been reported all over the place, yet no denials and no contradicting evidence. Unless I missed something, in which case, by all means, please let me know.

  11. Jay Matthews Jay Matthews February 17, 2011

    “It has been widely reported that they were Ron Paul supporters. If there is any evidence that they were not, I’d like to see it.”

    I’ve yet to see any evidence they were other than “reports” though it does stand to reason they likely were.

    You’ll have to forgive me, but I’ve seen far too many “reports” putting RP or his supporters in a bad light which have later turned out to be false.

    The current “accident” with Fox News “reporting” RP’s 2011 CPAC straw poll win being announced to a cascade of boos is only the latest.

  12. paulie paulie February 17, 2011

    There are people who are anti-war who are not RP backers.

    Most of those are unlikely to be at CPAC, with the exception of Gary Johnson supporters, who are generally more restrained. Also, if it was not a Ron Paul supporter, I expect there would have been a denial, since it was widely reported in numerous media sources.

    Also, when “war criminal” is heard in the clip it sounds like a single voice. Minor point I admit.

    It may have been that one person was that loud to where it was clearly audible, but there were as I understand it several people yelling several things, including Draft Dodger and Where’s Bin Ladin, in addition to war criminal.

    It has been widely reported that they were Ron Paul supporters. If there is any evidence that they were not, I’d like to see it.

  13. Jay Matthews Jay Matthews February 17, 2011

    Paulie, I doubt it was Romney supporters also. There are people who are anti-war who are not RP backers.

    Also, when “war criminal” is heard in the clip it sounds like a single voice. Minor point I admit.

    In any case it should not have been shouted, but I understand.

  14. paulie paulie February 17, 2011

    @59 What about LP chapters and candidates in their official capacities? I haven’t seen it. Darryl Perry is the first candidate that is big or small l that I’ve seen talk about it, and he’s

    A) BTP and

    B) a 2016 candidate.

    Jim Duensing told me on the radio that he supports war crimes trials, but I haven’t seen the show archived yet, nor have I seen anything in writing. Even Lee Wrights, who is making war the central issue in his campaign, has not responded to me about that.

    I know local LPs should concentrate more on local issues, but maybe we could start there and work our way up.

  15. paulie paulie February 17, 2011

    Is there any actual proof the person who yelled “war criminal” is a RP supporter or is this an assumption? Just curious.

    My understanding was that it was more than one person, it was reported that way in numerous articles I read (probably at least a dozen in a variety of MSM and widely read blog sources), I have not seen it denied, and – logically – I somehow doubt it was, say. Romney supporters.

    If you have any evidence to contradict what I’ve read about this, please let me know.

  16. Observer Observer February 17, 2011

    PAC @ 55: “I’m surprised more of them are not doing so already.”

    I scream as often and loudly as I can about our domestic war criminals. This includes many from the Bush administration and, sadly, Obama’s as well. I do it here, on Facebook, and whenever someone will let me talk to them about it. We simply can’t let these people get away with their treasonous, murderous deeds.

  17. Jay Matthews Jay Matthews February 17, 2011

    Is there any actual proof the person who yelled “war criminal” is a RP supporter or is this an assumption? Just curious.

  18. paulie paulie February 15, 2011

    Disappointed, yes.

    Surprised…not really

    Glad to see it starting to change, albeit it’s a bare start.

  19. Porn Again Christian Porn Again Christian February 15, 2011

    “Here’s hoping the war criminals, foreign and domestic, will be brought to justice.

    Hope to hear more libertarian candidates and organizations calling for this soon.”

    I’m surprised more of them are not doing so already.

  20. George Phillies George Phillies February 15, 2011

    @50

    The Libertarian Association of Massachusetts is considering doing something like this. We would tag on to the front end of Porcfest so people could get one trip into two events.

    There is a challenge finding meeting/hotel space on such short notice.

  21. paulie paulie February 15, 2011

    So, what, if anything, could be used to motivate the libertarians that go to CPAC to go all to all these different kinds of events?

    Anyone have ideas?

  22. Andy Andy February 15, 2011

    “paulie // Feb 15, 2011 at 2:30 am

    Another idea: what if many of the libertarians – big and small L – that go to CPAC also start attending liberal/progressive conference(s)?”

    Yes, they should. Libertarians should also do outreach at events that would have a lot of independents and non-voters.

  23. paulie paulie February 15, 2011

    Another idea: what if many of the libertarians – big and small L – that go to CPAC also start attending liberal/progressive conference(s)?

  24. Fun K. Chicken Fun K. Chicken February 15, 2011

    Maybe the Faux News writer had a point.

    Perhaps there should be a separate Libertarian Political Action Conference that would include the Libertarian Party, Campaign for Liberty, RLC, Students for Liberty, all the different libertarian-oriented vendors that were there, and so on.

    I know there’s things kind of along those lines such as Freedom Fest, but they are not really focused as much on political action per se.

  25. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt February 14, 2011

    Were they talking about the calendars from LOLA?

  26. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl February 14, 2011

    Fox News.”y.

    “It is the libertarian in attendance that produced the free pornographic calendar passed out to attendees in 2010. ”

    me_ wheres mine and freakin awesome!

  27. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    A picture is worth a thousand words, so…

  28. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    Authoritah

  29. Fun K. Chicken Fun K. Chicken February 14, 2011

    Oops, wrong thread…carry on

  30. Fun K. Chicken Fun K. Chicken February 14, 2011

    The key question is what are YOU doing to help?

  31. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    While we are at it…probably the best Downfall scene video I have seen…

  32. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    Speaking of which…

  33. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    LG Squeal like a pig…you got a purty mouth 😛

  34. Dennis Dennis February 14, 2011

    Yup, Dale Peterson was there, drumming up enthusiasm and encouraging folks to write him in the straw poll. Friendly fellow, though, he talked with us (Reform Party members) for a bit.

  35. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    You mean this?

  36. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl February 14, 2011

    dale petereson –dinga ding , dinga ding dinga ding ding–( plays tune to Deliverance in her head) ROFL

  37. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi February 14, 2011

    p24: Sometimes you have tell the emperor he’s buck naked.

    me: Yes. How you tell him and why you tell him is just as important as telling him, though. IMO.

  38. Matt Cholko Matt Cholko February 14, 2011

    I remember someone posted that ad here last year. It is a good one, that’s for sure.

  39. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    Thanks for the heads up on the Reform Party video.

    LOL, Dale Peterson is running for president?

    Here is his ad for Ag Comish…

  40. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    Sometimes you have tell the emperor he’s buck naked.

    Class dismissed!

  41. Dennis Dennis February 14, 2011

    While I agree they are war criminals, that was of terribly low class, and to shout out like that can only damage the credibility of libertarians.

    By the way, the Reform Party did a CPAC video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0xf7rzI-lQ

  42. paulie paulie February 14, 2011

    For V-day:

  43. pete healey pete healey February 14, 2011

    Cheers to the libs for “giving it to them” on what they thought was their own home turf. My only quibble is with the description of the failure to reauthorize the Patriot Act. Yes, 27 Republicans voted “No” but 67 Democrats voted “Yes”, fully one-third of their House cohort. They barely succeeded in getting one-third of the House. A victory but with strings…

  44. Andy Andy February 14, 2011

    Good, they deserve to be heckled everywhere they go.

    “First, Donald Rumsfeld was brought onstage, where CPAC was to present him with, unbelievable as it sounds, its ‘Defender Of The Constitution’ award.”

    LOL! This shows how little credibility CPAC has when it comes to the Constitution.

    “That led the pro-Cheney majority to shout down the libertarian hecklers with the always-original old favorite, ‘USA! USA!””

    The fact that Cheney supporters were reduced to chanting “USA! USA!” shows that they’ve got zero intellectual ammo. These fools can’t even comprehend the fact that the likes of Dick Cheney are destroying all of the principles for which the USA is supposed to stand

  45. Porn Again Christian Porn Again Christian February 14, 2011

    Is there a full moon out?

  46. A Different Green Party Conservative A Different Green Party Conservative February 14, 2011

    Wrong; the Green Party’s Donald Rumsfeld will be the Green Party candidate for President, with another great Green party Conservative Donald, Donald Trump, as his running mate. Ron Paul is a good Green party Conservative too, but Donald Rumsfeld is much better. The only reason he wanted to invade Iraq is because of Saddam Hussein’s damage to the environment with his chemical weapons; Petra Kelley warned him in a secret meeting in 1980 that sometimes wars needed to happen in order to protect the environment. That’s the true Green Party Conservative way. The Green Party’s Donald Rumsfeld will soon reveal his joining of the Green Party, in a joint statement with Hosni Mubarak, Papa Doc Duvalier, and former congressman Chris Lee. They will be the four horsemen of the great Green Party Conservative movement.

  47. Porn Again Christian Porn Again Christian February 13, 2011

    @14 and that’s putting it mildly!

  48. Green Party CPAC attendee Green Party CPAC attendee February 13, 2011

    As a Green Party member who attended CPAC.

    1) Ron Paul was the rock star.

    2) The Independent Green Party of Virginia was right to put Ron Paul on their Prez/Vize Prez ticket in 2008.

    3) Donald Trump aka Dump..dumb and a bumb was a weak second to Ron Paul in crowd response. Although it has been widely misreported that Dump was best received.

    Ron Paul would make excellent Green Party nominee in 2012.

  49. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt February 13, 2011

    Thanks for the well-written response to Pat, Kimberley. Sometimes I can’t believe what my eyes are reading, and Pat’s words in Michigan @ #5 is one of those times.

  50. paulie paulie February 13, 2011

    Stop living in de-nile
    and put them on trial!

    Facebook status update

  51. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder February 13, 2011

    Pat in Michigan:

    The idea that some kind of courtly manners would prevent people from scolding a war criminal is laughable, and the kind of social brainwashing that supports our greedy, evil, elitist society.

    I wonder if you were in a room, where a man was being tortured with methods approved by Cheney, if you would have more manners towards the Americans water-boarding him, or if you would have manners enough to help get the man free.

    Manners are a game for the rich and powerful.

    Manners keep people small and in their place.

    Manners should be thrown out the window when there are life and death situations before us.

    But, if you want to apply manners, go deep, and start with the basics. Truly good manners – a concern for what is proper, compassion for the needs and feelings of others – would mean doing everything you possibly could to protect the dignity of prisoners, and to stop torture.

    Or, do you think we should all just continue to say please and thank you to the King, no matter what he is doing to us, our families, and our fellow human beings?

  52. paulie paulie February 13, 2011

    pls share

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  53. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt February 13, 2011

    This is the one of best news stories I’ve seen in a long time. I love this video, and can watch it over and over again!

    Both Cheney and Rumsfeld are war criminals.

  54. Porn Again Christian Porn Again Christian February 13, 2011

    True, one war criminal presenting another with a “defender of the constitution” award certainly was low class and in poor taste.

  55. Pat in Michigan Pat in Michigan February 13, 2011

    Personally, I thought it was low class and in poor taste. Which is why ol’ Ron Paul will never be President.

  56. Fun K. Chicken Fun K. Chicken February 13, 2011

    Stop living in de-nile
    and put them on trial!

  57. paulie paulie February 13, 2011

    It will be great when Democrats have enough awareness and integrity to do the same.

    Would love to see that.

    I gave up on the Democrats in 1992 in no small part because they picked a pro-war, pro-corporatist, hypocritical drug warrior as a presidential candidate.

  58. Kimberly Wilder Kimberly Wilder February 13, 2011

    Paulie, thanks for getting this story up. I was hoping to get the time to drag something over from wilderside, but got too busy.

    It is good to note, that the story (and accusations against Cheney and Rumsfeld) made the NY Times.

    I am also proud that Conservatives can recognize and call to account war criminals in their midst. It will be great when Democrats have enough awareness and integrity to do the same.

  59. paulie paulie February 13, 2011

    Here’s hoping the war criminals, foreign and domestic, will be brought to justice.

    Hope to hear more libertarian candidates and organizations calling for this soon.

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