Supporters of former Libertarian candidate Ron Paul and one time possible Reform Party candidate Donald Trump clash at CPAC

Maggie Haberman at Politico (excerpts):

The real-estate mogul with a genius for self-promotion gave the most-acclaimed — and most colorful — speech at the conservative gathering this afternoon, from the moment he took the stage to the song “Money, Money, Money.”

With no visible sense of irony, he slammed libertarian Ron Paul as a losing hopeful who can’t capture the brass ring and got booed by some for it, said our current president came ‘out of nowhere,” and quoted a business magazine’s story about what a terrific entrepreneur he himself is.

Yet he was by far the best-received speaker and the audience lapped up his act, as he read some of a prepared speech and used his hands to punctuate his words. He also hit on social issues “briefly,” as he said, saying he’s pro-life and anti-gun control. He said he’d dismantle Obama’s health care law.


Supporters of Paul, who are notoriously rabid in defending him and whose son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, was the next speaker, booed wildly when he said, “by the way, Ron Paul can’t get elected, I’m sorry. … I like Ron Paul, I think he is a good guy but honesty he just has zero chance of getting elected and I can tell you this, if I run and if I win this country will be respected again”:


The pro-Paul boos were outdone by applause from people who ate the speech up.

In addition to the issues mentioned in the Politico article, Donald Trump is known as a trade protectionist. In contrast, Ron Paul is a defender of free trade, although he opposes existing trade agreements on the theory that they are globally managed trade, not true free trade. Some additional views of Donald Trump (some of which may have changed since then) here. Ron Paul from the same source. According to the wikipedia discuss page, Trump opposes foreign aid, believes Communist China should be treated as an enemy and subjected to large import tariffs, contributed to Rahm Emanuel’s candidacy and has refused to take a stance on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

In 2000, it was reported that Trump considered running for president as a member of the Reform Party.

Ron Paul was the 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate, and remains a life member of the Libertarian Party, saying recently that “I believe the Libertarian Party has done a great service in promoting the libertarian philosophy, and I continue to have many friends and supporters in the Libertarian Party…”

It is interesting that two of the candidates for the Republican nomination who are inspiring the most interest at this conference have alternative (“third”) party connections.

For other CPAC 2011 reporting at IPR, see

Jimmy McMillan is at CPAC

Third Party CPAC Roundup 2/10/11

Libertarians at CPAC present Republican Wall of Shame

42 thoughts on “Supporters of former Libertarian candidate Ron Paul and one time possible Reform Party candidate Donald Trump clash at CPAC

  1. Mark

    “by the way, Ron Paul can’t get elected…I believe Ron Paul has been winning them for 30 plus years. Well Donald how many have you won.

  2. Jill Pyeatt

    Funny, I’ve always considered Donald Trump a joke. He’s one of those peopele who’s famous for being famous.

  3. Bubba E. T. J. D. Lee

    10 point plan to fix America

    1. No more imports
    2. No more immigrants
    3. Round up and deport illegals
    4. Reinstate the draft
    5. Put 10 million troops at the Mexican border with shoot to kill all Mexicans on sight orders
    6. Execute all dopers
    7. War with all Muslims and Chinese now
    8. Drill baby drill, nuclear power, energy independence
    9. Sodomy and abortion should be capital crimes
    10. Put God back in the schools and courts

    If the USA won’t do it, the CSA will secede and we will.

  4. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: Bubba E. T. J. E. Lee

    Your views are very far out on some points.
    You sould like Chelene Nightingale, viz., mixed up. Items 3, 8, & 10 sound o.k. to me. But the
    other seven are to far out.

    The issue of CSA has already happened. This
    year Arizona will be having its sesquincentenial
    of secession from these United States.

    In fact the Los Angeles County Mounted Rifles
    (part of the California State Militia) went to
    Arizona to help with the liberation of that
    territory. The Newmark family of Los Angeles
    help fund that expedition through Arizona to
    Texas during the early part of the War between the States.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

  5. Mark Seidenberg

    Porn Again Christian

    Since, I am # 8. Please explain why you think I
    am on crack (if you mean drugs)? I am not on

    I was just correcting an historical fact that the
    Los Angeles County Mounted Rifles went to
    Arizona to fight Federal Troops. They were
    organized on St. Patricks day in 1861 at the
    old Clock Tower Courthouse in Los Angeles.

    Rabbi Newmark and his family supported the
    CSA. I was a founding member of the Los Angeles County Jewish Genealogical Society so I read a lot of historical documents on the subject in the 1970’s.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

  6. Mark Seidenberg


    What do you think of placing Trump, Paul, and
    Terry on the AIP ballot in California in February

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

  7. Porn Again Christian

    Sidenberg, you support re-fighting the civil war, merging church and state, rounding up and deporting millions of people thereby wrecking the economy, and screwing the environment. If you are not on crack, you probably should be.

    You also want to put people in your primary that don’t want to be in it. That is morally, and probably legally, wrong.

    You may not be quite as whacked out as the person at comment 5, but you probably belong in the same mental hospital, even if not quite in the same ward.

  8. paulie Post author

    You should not put people on the ballot if they don’t want you to put them on the ballot.

    I don’t know the laws in your state on that. If it’s not illegal already, it certainly should be.

  9. paulie Post author

    A few highlights from

    For tough anti-crime policies; not criminals’ rights. (Jul 2000)

    * 3% of GNP for military is too low. (Jul 2000)
    * Missile defense is inappropriate; focus on terrorism. (Jul 2000)
    * Prepare for bio-terrorism attack. (Jul 2000)

    * Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult. (Jul 2000)
    * Limit new immigration; focus on people already here. (Dec 1999)

    * Use force to stop North Korean nuke development. (Jul 2000)
    * Support Israel, our unsinkable Mideast aircraft carrier. (Jul 2000)
    * No humanitarian intervention; only to direct threats. (Jul 2000)

    Much more at

  10. Michael H. Wilson

    I don’t think he’s a conservative. Might be something else.

    I gotta find my friend The Sludge Puppy and see if he can identify the type of character this is, cause the pup is down where most of us never want to travel.

  11. Heckler

    Didn’t Trump lose his inheritance twice and now he owns everything on credit?

    I’d point out the hypocrisy of Republican ‘fiscal conservatives’ supporting this guy, but Republicans have been hypocrites for… well, forever.

  12. Robert Capozzi

    Heckler, that Trump entities have gone bankrupt does not make him per se a hypocrite. His business dealings are not necessarily indicative of his politics.

    Conflate the two as you wish, but I suspect that that’s a dead end. Trump’s proto-political message has more than enough reasons for me to not support him. I guess if it were Trump v. Obama (or another D), I’d take a closer look to see if I’d root for Trump while voting L.

  13. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 20,

    “His business dealings are not necessarily indicative of his politics.”

    Past performance may not be indicative of future results, but that doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant or that it won’t play in narrative.

    I read a biography of Trump some years ago, and one of the key points it made about his durability as a business figure was that he could keep borrowing money when business wasn’t going well — because he already owed the banks so much that they were unwilling to let him go under.

    Naturally, then, the first time I heard the phrase “too big to fail” in relation to the bailouts, Trump’s name came immediately to mind.

    While his personal business history doesn’t necessarily dictate his policy approach, it’s as good a clue as any, and it makes for the kind of spin that will chew any Trump candidacy up and spit it out.

  14. Bubba E. T. J. D. Lee

    I know y’all liked those so here are ten more:

    A. Nationalize the federal reserve, all banks and stock exchanges, money lending institutions and credit card companies.

    B. Nationalize all media: TV stations, radio, newspapers, film making, etc.

    C. Massive public works program to fix our infrastructure and build more: roads, bridges, tunnels, dams, water pipes, public monuments, etc.

    D. Repudiate the national debt and all government debt at all levels, and make any future government borrowing illegal.

    E. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge Jesus as their Lord and Savior loses the right to vote forever.

    F. Public flogging and road gangs for all petty criminals.

    G. No foreigners or heathens may own stock in any US corporations or buy any US property. Nationalize all current property owned by foreigners and heathens.

    H. Repeal all existing taxes. Replace them with a single, fixed amount head tax on every head of household. Anyone who can’t pay the tax is drafted into the military or public works.

    I. Repeal the 19th amendment (womens vote) and no fault divorce.

    J. Bring back segregation.

  15. Sane LP member

    This is Donald Trumps election to lose (2012). His stature, his money, his “brand”, and he speaks at a level most people can understand. Far better than Obama the socialist. Reminds me of 1992 Ross Perot.

  16. paulie Post author

    @22 Thank you! If you liked that one, you will probably also enjoy these.

    @ 23 A simple mathematical formula can arrive at your world view:


    EQUALS Bubba E. T. J. D. Lee @ 5 and 23.

    Any questions?

  17. paulie Post author

    This is Donald Trumps election to lose (2012). His stature, his money, his “brand”, and he speaks at a level most people can understand. Far better than Obama the socialist. Reminds me of 1992 Ross Perot.

    Like Perot, Trump is dangerous. It appears that Trump is pro-war, anti-immigration and anti-trade. He’s also a megalomaniac. Perot wanted house to house searches for guns and drugs in poor and “minority” neighborhoods, among other things. Trump may be worse, since he may be more electable as a Republican.

  18. wolfefan

    Arguing that the 2012 election is Donald Trump’s to lose is pretty good evidence that the first word of your username is not totally accurate…

  19. Porn Again Christian

    It’s Obama’s to lose. That is always the case with a sitting president who is not termed out.

  20. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Trump may be worse, since he may be more electable as a Republican.”

    I think you’re wrong … but even if you’re not, it doesn’t matter, because to be elected he’d have to get the Republican nomination.

    He’s about as likely to get the Republican nomination as Bob Milnes is to win the general election.

  21. paulie Post author

    It could also be a stalking horse for the Americans Elect ballot line, but I wouldn’t rule out a Republican nomination. McCain had some issues he was out of line with Republicans, too, and they picked him.

  22. Sane LP member

    Libertarians want “no limits”. Well, with a billionaire, you will have a candidate that can buy his team, buy his support in states, and use his own money if he so chooses. The LP model works well for a billionaire with endless printing presses.

  23. FYI! [More Don Lake]

    Civics 101Discussion on the CPAC Dustup

    “Recently there was a story on FNC ^ about people boycotting the next CPAC conference because some of the groups that were coming supported Gay Rights and Gay Conservative groups.

    Short Version: What do you think? Do Gay Conservative groups have a place at the table?

    Whatever your opinion on the issues of Homosexuality, can the GOP* and Conservative groups afford to divide its ranks at this moment in time?”

    * Lake: phugue ’em!

    ^ FNC as Frontier News Cooperative ?????

  24. Thomas L. Knapp

    Paulie @33,

    “McCain had some issues he was out of line with Republicans, too, and they picked him.”

    McCain was picked despite his differences with the party line.

    McCain had a campaign organization that he had been building since at least as far back as 1977 (when he became the US Navy’s liaison to the US Senate) and that he had strengthened over the course of two terms in the US House, 3.x terms in the US Senate, and a previous presidential campaign in which the only thing that beat him for the GOP nomination was an even older campaign machine backing the son of a previous president.

    Perot built a successful business from scratch, personally flew Christmas presents to American POWs in Hanoi, personally organized the rescue of his employees from revolutionary Iran and built a reputation — deserved or not — as a “nuts and bolts” expert who could make government work. Then he avoided party machinery by self-financing an independent run.

    Trump used daddy’s money to get far enough into debt that his lenders decided they couldn’t afford to let him fail, then reinvented himself as a mongrel media love child of Rudy Giuliani and Wayne Allyn Root.

    I suppose it’s just barely possible that Trump could eke out first place finishes in New York or New Jersey on name recognition alone. Apart from those tenuous possibilities, he couldn’t win a single GOP caucus or primary.

  25. erin

    Dear Bubba: Your name says it ALL. You should run for election in Iran–you would fit in nicely w/ a dictatorship government. Meanwhile, the rest of us would like to keep our Constitutional rights!

  26. Robert Capozzi

    Y’day on one of my favorite blogs,, they linked to Jesse Ventura saying he’d love to be Ron Paul’s VP in an independent candidacy.

    Kinda interesting. Unlikely. There’s something very appealing about JV, despite his rapid drift into Trutherism and other conspiracy theories.

    I’m pretty sure RP and JV are acquainted. Stranger things have happened. Unlikely as it is, it’s prospect to monitor. I suspect it could raise a fair amount of money and gain Perot-type attention, if properly done.

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