Statement from Roy Minet, Candidate for LPPA Chair

Getting To Know Roy Minet, Candidate For LPPA State Chair

Announcement of Candidacy 03/09/13
 
I have been approached by multiple people multiple times suggesting that I should run for state chair. Since Tom Stevens announced that he will not stand for re-election, such requests have intensified. I assure you that being chair has just not been on my radar. Believing that the party needs and can benefit greatly from good marketing, I have felt that area is where I can make the greatest contribution. The pitch that I hear most often is that I am impartial, not a part of any “faction” and may be the best person to unify our members behind doing the things necessary to become a successful political party. I have spent a lot of time working for the LPPA (as well as the LP) and I surely do want us to succeed. So, assuming that the above pitch has some validity, I will run for chair. I am asking for your support which would be very much appreciated.

Background

Philosophically, I have been a strong libertarian since I was 15 or 16 years old. I fought for liberty as an idealistic young person before there was a Libertarian Party. Now I continue that fight primarily for my children and grandchildren.

My college major was pure physics, but my first job was applied physics (engineering) with a large multi-national corporation. Following that was sales, then marketing management and finally management of a strategic business planning group, all for the same corporation. Getting into small business, I bought and operated a beer distributorship for 12 years before selling it. While distributing (or maybe drinking) beer, I founded Intelligent Computer Systems, Inc., which developed comprehensive business software and installed turnkey computer systems for distribution businesses. After 22 years, ICS was sold to the 3M Corporation. I am now retired and pursuing a backlog of personal projects. I also teach economics part time in 11th and 12th grades with the Junior Achievement program.

Recent LPPA Activity

I chair The Marketing Committee and The Media Relations Committee and am a member of The Platform Committee under chair Henry Haller. The Platform Committee recently posted its proposal for the planks section of our LPPA Platform. I strongly urge that this proposal be adopted on April 27th. The Marketing Committee has created “Aids from the Marketing Committee” that can be accessed in the folder of that name on the LPPA_BB Yahoo group. Several of us on the committee have been working hard to improve the LPPA.org website and convert it to the WordPress framework. We hope to have the new and improved LPPA.og online in late April.

Three years ago, I chaired a temporary ad hoc strategic planning committee. I presented the final report at our convention two years ago. Looking through the PowerPoints and the narrative will convey a pretty good picture of some of my views. Your attention is especially directed to the recommendations at the end. (follow link, see attachments:

http://www.lppa.org/smf/index.php?topic=36551.0 )

Last spring, I attended the LP national convention; collected nominating petition signatures for Governor Johnson and our LPPA statewide candidates; helped validate signatures using the VIDAS tool; and helped file the petitions with 39,000 signatures in Harrisburg.

When Republicans challenged our signatures last August, I volunteered to recruit, schedule and expedite the 84 volunteers who helped us with signature validation. I helped our marvelous legal team train and supervise the volunteers. I rehabilitated petitions containing thousands of signatures that the Rs had challenged on technical grounds. For me, this turned into a full-time, 7-days, 9-week project with two weeks of it living out of Philadelphia area motels; over 4,000 emails and ‘phone calls were handled. Ultimately, this colossal team effort handed the rotten Republicans a total defeat and serves as a terrific example of what can be accomplished when we actually do work together.

Pledge of Fairness, Impartiality and Transparancy

I pledge that, if elected chair, all LPPA proceedings and business will be scrupulously fair, impartial, businesslike, respectful and transparent. This has always been my policy in dealings of any kind, LPPA or other. I hope and fully expect that those who know me will confirm that to be true. I brought this matter up at the December 1, 2012, board meeting to emphasize the importance of adhering to these obviously important principles. As can be found in the minutes of that meeting, I introduced the following resolution which passed unanimously: “All LPPA officers and board members are committed to the open and transparent conduct of all LPPA business. Consequently, all interested LPPA members in good standing are encouraged to join the Yahoo LPPA_BB Board Business group for the purpose of monitoring the board business discussions conducted thereon. Similarly, interested LPPA members in good standing are welcome to attend scheduled Board of Directors meetings for the purpose of observing the functioning of the board.”

Conduct of Campaign

I deplore the personal attacks and in-fighting that occur all too often for reasons I have difficulty understanding (immaturity?). Such behaviors waste our limited resources (time, energy, patience), serve to divide us when we need to be united and are downright self-destructive. They also tend to repel new members when we need to attract them. I have always tried to tamp these things down and have often pointed out that we libertarians frequently are our own worst enemies. Win or lose, this campaign will not tear down any other libertarian and will not engage in scurrilous allegations or unsubstantiated innuendo. It will focus on what I would do to build our party going forward.

LPPA Future Direction

It is critically important that we focus our limited resources on replacing crappy politicians with good libertarian citizens. It’s a mistake to dissipate resources fighting a bunch of issues; if we get good people into office, they will fix the issues.

In order to elect libertarians, we need a successful political party that is based on libertarian principle. That has to be our goal. We don’t need a club or a debating society!
Almost the only thing important to the success of a political party is membership. We don’t just need a 50% or 100% increase in membership. We need to think in terms of increasing it 10-fold, 20-fold and eventually even more. Growing disgust with the old parties gives us the best opportunity we have ever had to accomplish that. Let’s not blow it.

The best way to capture new libertarians is to do a good job of marketing our fundamental principles. Many people will agree fairly quickly with our principles. But we need to recognize that it takes some time for most to evolve into accepting the full application of libertarian principle to all issues. The LPPA needs to be a welcoming incubator for new libertarians where we help them evolve, not deride or reject them for being “imperfect.”

A few more specific things the LPPA can do are:

· Complete development and optimization of the new LPPA.org website. This is a key tool. Test the use of Google AdWords and other technologies to drive new traffic to the site.

· Instead of just an Eastern Vice Chair and a Western Vice Chair, change our structure to have six regional vice chairs. A primary duty of a vice chair is to develop and assist county committees. It’s ridiculous to expect one person to cover 33 counties and half the state. A sixth of the state and 11 counties would work much better.

· Set up a few trained speakers dispersed around the state and make an organized effort to book them speaking engagements wherever possible to explain/promote libertarianism. The Marketing Committee could develop a PowerPoint presentation that speakers can optionally use.

· Collaborate with the PA Ballot Access Coalition to organize an intelligent lobbying effort to see if the Voters’ Choice Act can be passed this legislative session.

· Move the annual LPPA convention date earlier (either the third week of March or the weekend nearest the end of November). Have final nominating petitions ready and volunteers organized to collect signatures at polling places on primary election day.

· Conduct a study and compile a list of the easiest-to-win local elections and make serious efforts to recruit good libertarian candidates for them. Offer marketing support to candidates. Concentrate resources from surrounding areas and possibly the state to help them win.

84 thoughts on “Statement from Roy Minet, Candidate for LPPA Chair

  1. James Babb

    Roy, I applaud your commitment to impartiality and transparency.

    Will you denounce Tom Steven’s use of official LPPa communication channels to campaign on your behalf?

    Considering your “Pledge of Fairness, Impartiality and Transparency”, should all candidates have access to the LPPa discussion list, Facebook page, membership database and convention delegate list?

    Tom Steven’s has already used some or all of these channels to promote your candidacy. What will you do about it?

    What do you say about the current chairman’s behavior of violating the communications and database policies for personal political advantage?

    I know you are a good guy and a solid libertarian. So, I’d hate for folks to think your are Tom’s proxy. Swift action to separate yourself from the toxic incumbent would serve you well.

  2. Roy Minet

    I am running as an individual libertarian and Libertarian. I have no connection with ANY faction (that would include a “Tom Stevens” faction, if such a thing exists).

    Tom Stevens is not my “campaign manager” (I don’t have one). I have no control over what Tom Stevens does.

    As current chair, Tom Stevens does have control over LPPA apparatus. I strongly urge and request that he not use, or allow anyone else to use, LPPA communication channels either to promote or disparage any candidate. I have offered to send that request directly to Tom Stevens jointly signed by Steve Scheetz and me.

    The LPPA.org Forum is a communication channel (little used of late) intended for free and far ranging discussions. I think it entirely appropriate to campaign there and I have posted information there.

    BTW, the “Government Gone Wild” brochure was a project of the LPPA Marketing Committee a couple of years back. At that time, I was a member of that committee under chair Ron Goodman. Over 10,000 copies of the brochure (that I know of) have been distributed and it will hit its third printing later this year. Re-imburse us the cost ($10 per pack of 100) and you, too, can hand them out, leave them in waiting rooms, etc. Email me for ordering instructions.

  3. James Babb

    “As current chair, Tom Stevens does have control over LPPA apparatus. I strongly urge and request that he not use, or allow anyone else to use, LPPA communication channels either to promote or disparage any candidate. ”

    Thanks Roy. Can you please repeat this on the official channels that Tom has used to promote your candidacy and denounce your rivals?

    It would really speak well for you if you could insist that Steve Scheetz have his access to the discussion list and FB group restored, since he has never violated the communication policy, and these channels have been used repeatedly to discredit him, without the opportunity for rebuttal.

    Demanding equal access to the membership list per the database policy would also be a great demonstration of your commitment to transparency.

    What you do now as a member of the board of directors will help us know what kind of chair you would be.

  4. Richard Schwarz

    Roy Minet wrote: “The LPPA.org Forum is a communication channel (little used of late) intended for free and far ranging discussions. I think it entirely appropriate to campaign there and I have posted information there”

    I could not disagree more. The LPPa forum is as archaic and old fashioned place as exists on the World Wide Web. Very few people know about it and even fewer ever venture there. As for myself, I can no longer log in, so perhaps I’ve been banned from there too, just as I’ve been banned from ALL of the “official” LPPa discussion channels. (So much for “free” and “far ranging” discussions.) Sending smoke signals would have as much effect as holding discussion on the LPPa forum.

    As I have expressed to Roy several times, he needs to use his position on the LPPa Board of Directors to insist that Steve Scheetz and Steve’s supporters IMMEDIATELY be given access to all the official LPPa discussion channels, including facebook pages, email lists, and meetup groups, where Steve’s character has been repeatedly maligned without any chance for Steve and others to defend themselves.

    Roy needs to loudly and publicly denounce the actions of the current state chair for his authoritarian control of these forums.

    Saying that Tom Steven’s “should not use, or allow anyone else to use, LPPA communication channels either to promote or disparage any candidate” is a complete copout. These channels have already been used and continue to be used to malign one candidate AND they ARE the “official” communication channels for the LPPA.

    Steve Scheetz and ALL candidates should have access to reach ALL of the delegates for the upcoming convention PRIOR to the convention. The LPPa website forum is most certainly NOT the place where this should or even could be done.

    Steve Scheetz has reached out to the board of directors (of which Roy Minet is a member) several times seeking access to the delegates. His requests have been completely ignored. This is unacceptable.

    I urge Roy Minet to take action, rather than just using bland words, to assure that this will be a fair, impartial, and transparent campaign.

  5. Steve Scheetz

    Roy, I was disappointed when I read your solution. I would have thought that you would rather all candidates have the ability to post openly.
    To be clear, I will not sign anything advocating censorship of communications over “official” LPPa channels; this means that I will not sign a paper asking for the tyrannical moderation policy to be extended to all other candidates.
    You have made it clear, on several occasions, that you do not believe that the membership database should be used for any purpose, and I couldn’t disagree more. The LPPa is an organization that has, as its purpose, the running of political candidates as well as taking steps to educate the public. The LPPa should have its database ready to be used to facilitate the communications process, whether it be for a candidate to disseminate campaign literature, or for counties hosting events designed to educate people about Libertarianism. If we do not inform the membership of what is going on across the state, does it not stand to reason that the membership will believe that NOTHING is going on in the state? Either way, there is no point in maintaining a membership database if it is not going to be used for anything other than to ask people to renew their memberships… In fact, there is no point in having an LPPA if it is not going to help candidates or county organizations reach out to the membership.
    Roy, it is also disappointing that you have demonstrated that you are in agreement with the Chairman’s interpretation and implementation of the communications policy, and given what we have seen this past year: i.e. the Chairman of the LPPa determining who is allowed to speak on the official communications lists, the chairman actively using these lists to campaign against several counties, and now, several candidates, while actively promoting other candidates, etc. Being the Chairman of Montgomery County, I had thought that I would receive information from the LPPa regarding things like Board Meeting Minutes, the names and contact information for county committee officers, etc. I have seen nothing like that. In fact, I mentioned this problem to you more than once, and I would be very concerned that if you were to win, we would keep the same sort of policy in place. I embrace free and open communications, especially when it is something I disagree with! This is one of the ways in which I learn new things.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  6. James Babb

    After the authoritarian nightmare of this past year, transparency is certainly going to be a key issue in the next election.

    I will support the candidate that best demonstrates a commitment to openness, transparency and inclusion.

  7. Erik Viker

    For me the most compelling description of a good state chair comes from elsewhere on this website, where Marc Mononi wrote this: “ Over many years of watching chairs let their position go to their heads, I have come to favor the ‘weak chair’ model — which is actually what one would understand after a careful reading of Robert’s Rules. The purpose of the chair is to facilitate meetings and to carry out the will of the committee. Little more. A truly good chairman is one who delegates his duties to other people. He shouldn’t speak to the press — rather, he should appoint a volunteer to be the party’s spokesman. He shouldn’t be forming local affiliates — he should appoint a small team of volunteers to a committee tasked with that purpose. He should not be the writer of the state party newsletter or the primary contributor to the blog — he should appoint a Communications Committee to handle those things. The chair should then make sure those appointees let the Board know what they’re doing at meeting time or with monthly reports to the Board. If the chairman has controversy swirling about him, then that chairman is doing entirely too much.”

  8. Ed Reagan

    Roy,

    I am a candidate running for the Eastern Vice-Chair of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania.

    I do not have access to:

    1) The the forum hosted on the LPPA.org website. I have tried to join a while ago, but never recieved an actvation email. When I try to sign up, I am told that there is already and account tied to my email address. I click the link to reset my password, and I get a notice that may account is not activated. I then click the link to resend the activation email, and I never receive the activation email. It appears that it is impossible to join the forum, which might explain why no one uses the forum anymore.

    2) I can not access the LPPA Board Business (LPPA_BB) Yahoo Group. There for I can not “montor the business of the LPPA” as outlined in the LPPA’s communication polices. I was banned from the LPPA_BB group the first time in Sept 2012 by Tom Stevens after I shared with him that I was going to introduce a byla amendment at the 2013 State Convention that would require LPPA board members to be residents of Pennsylvania. I thank you for your effort in helping the Board to pass a resolution re-enforcing that ALL LPPA members have access to the LPPA_BB Yahoo group. My acess to the LPPA_BB Yahoo group was restored by Tom Stevens for a short while. I was then banned a second time for replying to Tom Stevens request for volunteers to chair three state level committees and announcing my intent to run for the Eastern Vice-Chair of the LPPA.

    3) I can not see the LPPA’a Facebook page, since Tom Stevens has banned me from reading it.

    4) I can not see any LPPA affiliated county or regional LPs’ Facebook pages that Tom Stevens is the admin of.

    5) I can not see any LPPA affiliated county or regional LPs’ Meetup group pages that Tom Stevens is the admin of.

    Roy you are a current member of the LPPA Board. You and the rest of the LPPA Board have neglected your fiduciary responsibilities by allowing Chairman Tom Stevens to ignore the bylaws, constitution, policies and board resolutions. You and the rest of the board in failing to control the misconduct of Chairman Tom Stevens have demonstrated through your inaction that you are unfit to serve on the board going forward.

    The LPPA needs a clean break, and a completely new board willed with fresh faces, replacing the current board members who have not done the job we have elected then to do.

  9. Manuel Gomez

    @11 I do have an issue with Mr. Minet diminishing the impacts of Tom Stevens’ behavior by saying such things as “if such a faction exists”, regarding Stevens. Mr. Minet is far too involved to be clueless, even if the evidence of Stevens’ questionable behavior wasn’t already out and bare for all to see.

  10. Manuel Gomez

    Can someone please fish my comment out of spam? I made a statement regarding Mr. Minet’s candidacy, it includes no links, and it was flagged as spam or otherwise hidden by your system.

    I’ll try to copy/paste below; hopefully this one gets through.

    Mr. Minet is aware that the LPPA forums are incapable of accepting new members. The forums were essentially rendered defunct under the leadership of the current board.

    During the recent LPPA board meeting I brought up the fact that the LPPA forums continue to use outdated, insecure software.

    That’s why you see so many individuals complain about the fact they either no longer have access to or can’t sign up for the forums.

    The LPPA forums were overtaken by spammers and the server was compromised at least once. That’s the reason the hosting provider shut down the LPPA webspace account’s email ports; in response to gross negligence regarding administration of the site. No active email ports = no activation email.

    Mr. Minet knows this. He acknowledged the same when brought it up at the meeting. Why then, is he suggesting that users sign into an as yet still compromised server (NOT a good idea) that he knows is unstable and will not accept new users, anyway?

    I think Mr. Minet is a very nice guy and his work with the media and coordination of volunteer efforts during the recent Republican challenge of ’12 was outstanding and admirable.

    I will not vote for Mr. Minet as chair, though. He has in the past supported the meddling antics of previous chairs, specifically Mr. Jasikoff; who attempted to supplant our local leadership with an LPPA proxy, going as far as listing said proxy as the official LPPA contact for our county despite numerous requests to correct the inaccuracy. That and many other LPPA levied interferences were met with support from Mr. Minet. I could go further with that, but I relent.

    Mr. Minet also loses my vote on account of his philosophical inclinations regarding land value taxation. He graciously accepted an invitation to a York-based debate on the issue of LVT. He and Joshua Vincent were the pro side, Ken Krawchuk and I spoke against.

    One final point of contention is Mr. Minet’s stated goal of compiling “a list of the easiest-to-win local elections and make serious efforts to recruit good libertarian candidates for them.”

    This sounds like an overly-burdensome and potentially meddlesome bit of activity for the LPPA to engage in. Candidate selection and recruitment is a task best left to the individual local affiliates to undertake and procure. We cannot expect local affiliates to be able to learn the ins and outs of campaigning, media relations, recruitment and execution if we have a burgeoning LPPA bureaucracy doing it all for them.

    That’s it for now. I’m a hyper-local specialist that at the end of the day could care less what an LPPA chair and his/her functionaries do as long as we’re left alone and unencumbered with state BS and dictates.

    That hasn’t been the case for the last two years since I’ve joined my local affiliate. It’s the only reason my county is engaging the upcoming convention.

  11. Manuel Gomez

    Can someone please dig my statement regarding Mr. Minet’s campaign for chair out of the spam filter, or whatever it is in your system that is hiding my comment? Thanks.

  12. Ed Reagan

    The Events list on the LPPA website has not been updated since 2011.

    http://www.lppa.org/happenings/eventlist.html

    The LPPA website is the responsibility of Marketing Committee that is Chaired by Roy Minet.

    Now keep in mind that this is website that the LPPA pays $2000 a year to a third party to maintain.

    This sort of ineffective leadership of the Marketing Committee only affects our ability to communicate the LPPA’s message to the members and the public.

    Please ask yourself, is this the type ineffective leadership that the LPPA as a whole needs?

  13. Ed Reagan

    The Video list on the LPPA website has not been updated since 2009.

    http://www.lppa.org/about/video-links.html

    There are four (4) video links provded, of which the fouth one is a broken link that will not load.

    One of the fou video links is an interview with noted Libertarin Party member Ron Paul. Hey wait he is a Republican. WTF?

    Oh that is right up until this week when he announced he was running for LPPA Char, Roy Minet was the co-organizer of the Lancaster County Pennsylvaia Ron Paul Meetup group.

    Once again will question why the LPPA and it’s Marketing Committee are payinf $2,000 a year to a third party to update a website, when in fact most of the data on the website has not been updated in 2 to 4 years?

    This sort of ineffective leadership of the Marketing Committee only affects our ability to communicate the LPPA’s message to the members and the public.

    Please ask yourself, is this the type ineffective leadership that the LPPA as a whole needs?

  14. Ed Reagan

    The State Organization Page on the LPPA’s website contains many errors, since it has not been updated to reflect the names of the officers and commitee chairs who have resigned on Tom Stevens watch.

    Ron Goodman is no longer the Membership Committee Chair.

    Tim Havener is no longer the Newsletter or Legislative Committee Chairs.

    Patrick Killey is no longer the LPPA Secretary ot the Convention Committee Chair.

    http://www.lppa.org/organization/lppa-state-organization.html

  15. James Babb

    In 2013, it seems that the most effective marketing for the LPPa would be through social media, youtube and podcasts, with some additional print pamphlets for distribution at events.

    If the LPPa gets on a new track, I’d certainly be willing to volunteer my professional marketing skills to the LPPa as I currently do for Libertarian candidates, my local committee and the LPPa in the past.

  16. Ed Reagan

    The County Contacts page on the LPPA’s website list the wrong contact for the majority of the counties in Pennsylvania.

    http://www.lppa.org/organization/county-contacts.html

    This sort of ineffective leadership of the Marketing Committee only affects our ability to communicate the LPPA’s message to the members and the public.

    Please ask yourself, is this the type ineffective leadership that the LPPA as a whole needs?

  17. Ed Reagan

    Jim @ 18

    The LPPA currently does not want help from volunteers that actually have experience doing something, and more importanly can think for themselves.

    Remember I was banned from the LPPA_BB list for trying to volunteer for the open Committe Chair positons of the Grassroots, Newsletter and Fundraising committees.

    Becareful volunteering to helo the LPPA you might get shunned like you were Amish.

  18. Erik Viker

    I have advised the state Board ,and the chair himself, that it woud be best for all now-banned people to be allowed access to all official LPPA communication resources (FB pages, forum, and email list) to avoid any appearance of using those resources for biased internal politics. So far, this suggestion has apparently been rejected. This is surprising considering 70% of the complaints about Tom Stevens focus on his communications control decisions.

  19. Krzysztof Lesiak

    @16
    FALSE: Ron Paul is a lifetime member of the LP as well as the GOP in addition to of course being the LP nominee in ’88.

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/

    “I remain a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and I’m a ten-term Republican Congressman. ” – Ron Paul ^^

    And is Mr. Minet’s involvement in a Ron Paul meetup a bad thing? Being from Illinois I’m of course unfamiliar with the LPPA controversy but seems to me that the LP’s number one support and/or new membership can come from Ron Paul supporters.

  20. Krzysztof Lesiak

    I will be there Saturday from 2pm to 6pm and on Sunday 8am-3pm. I will record for YouTube, as promised. Paulie is of course the founder of the LP Sunshine Caucus and like him I strongly support more transparency. Depending on if there is a wifi connection or not in the room I will live blog to IPR on my laptop. Paulie will help of course.

    I’m looking forward to meeting the LP leadership and getting a picture with all of them (especially Lee Wrights-he’s awesome) 🙂

  21. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I think it’s excellent that a non-Libertarian will be recording. Of course you’re Paulie’s friend, but otherwise you won’t have many pre-conceived ideas. If you can’t blog while you’re there, please check in during the evening to let us know what’s going on. Someone will start an thread about the convention you can comment on, or you can start your own. Many of us are quite interested.

    Lee Wrights is a fave of mine, and it’s a shame you’ll miss meeting John Jay Myers. I wonder if Chuck Mounlton will be there? I also guaranteee you that no one will have to point out Starchild! Tell him I said ‘Hello”! Of course, Paulie’s a big sweetheart, but he’s on the LNC so he’ll have business to attend to.

  22. Krzysztof Lesiak

    Exactly which is why I want to take care of the journalism aspect. I remember Chuck did a phenomenal job live blogging the November national meeting from his smartphone. Maybe he could do that again too (if he’s there of course) because he was very speedy and thorough with his reporting last time.

    If I can’t live blog from my laptop I will type up what’s going on to Word, to the best of my ability, and post it to IPR in the evening, on both days. Of course I’ll get the YouTube videos uploaded by Sunday night or Monday morning. I’ll make sure that goes on IPR, too.

  23. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Frankly, maybe they’ll behave better (meaning bicker less) if they know an outsider is there. A girl can hope anyway. 🙂

  24. Chuck Moulton

    I won’t be at this LNC meeting. I would have gone if I had been elected LNC secretary, but since I lost that race I’m in Reno, NV hanging out with some online chess friends.

  25. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I’m actually impressed, Chuck. I could never sit still long enough to play a whole game of chess.

  26. Ed Reagan

    Krzysztof @22

    The issue is Tom Stevens has whined and bitched likea little girl about the members of the LPPA who supported Ron Paul. He especially pisses and moans about Steve Scheetz’s Campaign For Liberty t-shirt.

    Ironicallyt Tom has no problem pimping Roy Minet, his hand picked puppet being a co-organizer of a Ron Paul Meetup group.

    Roy is a nice guy, but is way too nice, both he and the other board members have not had the spine to stand up to Chairman Tom Stevens who violates and ignores many of the LPPA’s bylaw, rules, policies and board resolutions with no penalty.

    Tom will still be on the Board next year as the Past Chair and is picking and promoting a slate of spineless puppets so that he can run the LPPA from the Past Chairs position.

  27. Erik Viker

    KL @22, Republican Ron Paul is a Life Member of the LP by writing a fat check to the national LP. Even President Obama could do that. Ron Paul was nominated by Republican Party voters since 1988. His committee chairmanships were appointed by the Republican leaders in congress. He received Republican campaign money and caucused with the Republicans in Congress. He is a registered Republican voter. Do you need to see an elephant tattooed on his right butt cheek? He’s a Republican Party politician.

  28. Richard Schwarz

    Wow Erik Viker. You would think that after a year of you spewing your anti Ron Paul rant on every facebook page, email list, comment section, etc., again and again, and again, over and over and over, again, and again, and again, that geez, after one solid year of this remarkable effort on your part, that you’d have recruited at least 1 other person who agrees with you.

    One.

    Just one.

    But I’ve not seen it.

    It’s you fighting this fight alone. I’ve yet to see one single post from a person saying, “Hey, Erik’s right” Not a single person seems to agree with you.

    But I give you credit . You don’t give up. Every chance you get, there you are again with your Ron Paul = stinkin lousy Republican chant even though your club meets in phone booth.

  29. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    FYI: All the conversation going on that I’m being cc’d on at my home email address: I just walked my Iphone up to my office manager so I can get some work done here at work!! Oh my gosh! What a soap opera going on in Pennsylvania!! Not to belittle the very serious goings on–but wow! All this time we’ve been talking about Nevada and Oregon, Pennsylvia LP has been about to blow, apparently! Oh my godness. Now, I REALLY need to get my office bills paid.

  30. Concerned Citizen

    My biggest issue with Ron Paul is that he did not endorse Romney. Thankfully his son did.

  31. NewFederalist

    While I re-registered Republican to vote for Ron Paul in both 2008 and 2012 (and then switched back immediately after the primary) I can understand Erik Viker’s viewpoint. It is curious that Ron Paul and now Rand Paul are keeping libertarian oriented voters attracted to the Republican Party rather than the Libertarian Party. Erik is quite correct that by keeping those folks in the GOP the LP is deprived of resources it could sure use. I certainly do not rule out the possibility that this is no accident.

  32. NewFederalist

    “My biggest issue with Ron Paul is that he did not endorse Romney. Thankfully his son did.”

    My biggest problem with you is that you are a troll and are totally fucked up.

  33. Erik Viker

    Richard @ 33, none of your Ron Paul fetishism refutes any of my observations. And your preconceptions would not allow you to recognize that even one other person might agree with my observations, even if popularity did confer validity, which it does not.

  34. James Babb

    Again, I have to agree with Eric.

    The Ron Paul Revolution is a terrible place to promote the LP. Those guys will never support Gary Johnson’s bold new national sales tax. Hell, they don’t even want to keep Gitmo and the Fed open. Their interest in a strong military alliance with Israel is questionable at best.

    The LP should confine recruitment activities to gun shows and flea markets. Thats where you get good authoritarian libertarians like Gary Johnson and Judge Gray.

  35. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I also won’t forget that Ron Paul refused to support the LP or Gary Johnson, but in Los Angeles, I’ve found Ron Paul supporters to be very open to LP party members. They are the Republican Liberty Caucus, and many of them are more libertarian than Libertarians. We’ve also met very good recruits at Oathkeepers. If you have Oathkeepers in your community, I strongly urge Libertarians to reach out to them. If you don’t have them in your community, then you should!

    I also had good luck at the Wearechange group in Los Angeles, which used to be excellent. They’ve kind of fizzled out, though. I strongly urge everyone not to get hung up on labels. Find common ground, make friends, and grow communities. When the Republican party falls apart, which it seems to be doing now, the LP will be there to take its survivors.

  36. Erik Viker

    Both Gary Johnson and Bob Barr are red herrings relative to this conversation. Hero-worshippers always seem to retreat to “But my hero is best!” I have no interet in promoting any politicians because promoting politicans fails to promote Libertarian principels in public policy. Too many people need a hero. For example, many of the Paulites are already pushing Rand Paul as the next subject of their adoration, falling right in line with the long-term Republican scheme to keep them voting Republican.

    I’d be more impressed if Paul was as supportive of all personal liberties as he is supportive of economic liberty. But he’s not. He pulls that “state’s rights” mythology that would allow state governments to impose the tyranny instead of federal government, if enough voters want a state government to meddle in people’s private affairs. That’s not very libertarian. States do not have rights. People do. States have powers which should be used to guarantee individual rights. Tenth Amendment, last phrase.

    Paul followers who care about citizen liberty and limited government already know about the LP, and may choose to support LP efforts to bring Libertarian principles into public policy now that their favorite politician is finished. Those Paul fans who just transfer their adoration to his son, or continue venerating the retiree, will not support LP regardless of LP messaging. Repetitive Paul-pandering gains the LP nothing and could make the LP look like a fan club for a Republican retiree to outside constituencies.

    It is time for “the liberty movement” to stop all that moving and start promoting Libertarian Party candidates who will bring Libertarian principles into public policy at all levels of government. The mass feel-good veneration of one old fringe Republican has done little to reform how government operates.

    “Principle over party” always sounds nice,” but it’s foolish to ignore those party labels which refer to actual management structures that will never go away in government. Political parties are the inevitable result of human nature. People are joiners. Government is managed by associations of like-minded people advocating for the principles of those associations. Shilling for a Republican/Democratic Party politician advances Republican/Democratic Party goals. Those goals are in many ways inconsistent with Libertarian principles.

  37. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt // Mar 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    I also won’t forget that Ron Paul refused to support the LP or Gary Johnson, but in Los Angeles, I’ve found Ron Paul supporters to be very open to LP party members.”

    Actually, Ron Paul when asked about Gary Johnson, replied that he thinks that Gary Johnson is wonderful. Maybe not quite an official endorsement, but I’d classify that as a supportive statement.

  38. Andy

    Erik Viker said: “For example, many of the Paulites are already pushing Rand Paul as the next subject of their adoration, falling right in line with the long-term Republican scheme to keep them voting Republican. ”

    A lot of Ron Paul supporters are not very enthusiastic about Rand Paul. Some have in fact already declared that they are not supporting him.

    Also, most Ron Paul supporters do not support the Republican establishment candidates. Many of them did in fact vote for Gary Johson or some other 3rd party candidate, or cast a write in vote for Ron Paul, or did not even bother voting.

  39. Andy

    Erik Viker said: “He is a registered Republican voter.”

    I’ve already mentioned this on this forum, but Ron Paul is a registered voter in Texas, and Texas does NOT have partisan voter registration. Everyone in Texas is registered non-partisan.

  40. Erik Viker

    Andy @ 46, I lived in Texas for years. Texas primary elections require no declared party affiliation, but once you vote in a party’s primary you can only attend that party’s caucus thereafter through the end of the year. You might need to believe that Ron Paul does not align with the Republican Party in his voting behavior, but all indications suggest to me that he’s a Republican voter. But I gladly withdraw my reference to his voter registration if it will help you to continue loving him so much.

  41. Concerned Citizen

    @39 when you cannot win the argument, you resort to namecalling. What does that say about you?

  42. Concerned Citizen

    Yes, but not for namecalling. Instead you should apologize for not helping defeat big government. There may be a third party solution for 2016, but we all have to get on the same page.

  43. Concerned Citizen

    Since it doesn’t seem popular, I’m open to not drafting Newt Gingrich for the LP, but we need someone strong on the budget with a history of results. Preferably someone in power in the nineties during the last balanced budget.

  44. Catholic Trotskyist

    Concerned Citizen, I disagree with you on economics, but I appreciate you helping me in the good fight against third party losing strategies. Just like you are trying to get the Libertarians to support Republicans in order to get rid of big government, I’ve been telling the Greens to stop undermining the Democrats because I want big government and it can only happen through the Democrats.

  45. Roy Minet

    Prior to the LP national convention, I supported Ron Paul because he was the most effective messenger for libertarian principles on the national stage (he remained in the R presidential debates even after they dropped Gary Johnson).

    I attended the national convention and helped nominate Governor Johnson. As soon as I returned from the convention, I set up a Lancaster County for Gary Johnson Meetup site and worked for Johnson. We had GJ sign waves almost every Saturday from May through October. I used my memberships and contacts with several Ron Paul groups to recruit GJ supporters.

    I expected that 50% or so of the RP supporters could never be converted, but it turned out to be even worse than that. I would now estimate that about two thirds of RP supporters were highly resistant to conversion. The RTL issue plays a huge role with these people.

    Erik Viker is more right than wrong in his claim that RP people would not support Johnson. Only about a third of RP supporters seem to be pimarily libertarian and even some of those stick with RP out of loyalty/hero worship.

  46. paulie

    Executive detractor: thanks for the link @4.

    The flyer looks good, although in some ways it is rhetorically conservative leaning.

    I think it’s better than a lot of outdated LP materials, and I will put it up for discussion a few places.

  47. Andy

    Roy Minet said: “I expected that 50% or so of the RP supporters could never be converted, but it turned out to be even worse than that. I would now estimate that about two thirds of RP supporters were highly resistant to conversion. The RTL issue plays a huge role with these people.

    Erik Viker is more right than wrong in his claim that RP people would not support Johnson. Only about a third of RP supporters seem to be pimarily libertarian and even some of those stick with RP out of loyalty/hero worship.”

    I disagree. I’ve been in the LP since 1996, and I’ve also spent a lot of time with various Ron Paul groups around the country from 2007-present. I’ve attended Ron Paul events, meet ups, Campaign for Liberty meetings, etc…, in multiple states, such as Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, and California. I have spoken to literally thousands of Ron Paul supporters, both in person and over the internet.

    I would say that the majority of them are in fact small “l” libertarians, and that most of them are in fact open to the Libertarian Party. Some of them have in fact joined the LP or at least switched their registrations to Libertarian after the primary, and some of them did in fact vote for LP candidates in the general election. Why haven’t more of them?

    1) A lot of them don’t see the Libertarian Party as being relevant. It’s not so much that they are opposed to the Libertarian Party, because most of them have told me that they agree with it, it is that they do not see the party as being effective or as going anywhere.

    2) A lot of them saw the Libertarian Party as having “sold out” in 2008 by nomination Bob Barr for President. This killed the LP’d credibility for a lot of people. Gary Johnson’s campaign wasn’t as bad as Barr’s, but Johnson’s support of the Fair Tax and some other things that he said did turn some people off who otherwise would have been supporters.

    3) A lot of them are new to politics, and/or don’t really know much about political strategy. Some of them don’t realize that joining or donating to the LP does not mean that they have to give up being Ron Paul / Campaign for Liberty supporters. A few that I encountered didn’t even know what the Libertarian Party was, or didn’t even know anything about it other than it was some party that Ron Paul was affiliated with back in the 1980’s.

    I still see lots of opportunity for the Libertarian Party to recruit Ron Paul supporters. Like I said, the majority of them are small “l” libertarians, and most of them are in fact open to the Libertarian Party. The LP just needs to do a more effective job at reaching out to them and showing them that we are relevant.

  48. paulie

    Since it doesn?t seem popular, I?m open to not drafting Newt Gingrich for the LP, but we need someone strong on the budget with a history of results. Preferably someone in power in the nineties during the last balanced budget.

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/04/former-us-president-bill-clinton-joins-libertarian-party/

    Former US President Bill Clinton joins Libertarian Party
    April 1st, 2009 ? written by paulie ? 21 Comments

    In a move that few, if any, people saw coming, former US President William J. Clinton is set to announce today that he is joining the Libertarian Party. Clinton first hinted at his new political direction back in 1997, but Libertarians didn?t believe him, and not long afterwards called for his impeachment.

    ?What really did it for me this time was the recent ?Monday message? from LP communications director Donny Ferguson that said winning is the most important principle,? President Clinton told IPR?s Paulie over a few lines of coke in a Bessemer, Alabama truck stop restroom. ?That?s been my view for many years, and I?m glad to finally find a political party with the balls to say it openly.?

    Clinton acknowledged that people may be skeptical of his conversion, but he pointed out ?look at my old nemesis Bob Barr. Back in 2002 y?all were working to get him out of Congress. By 2006 he was on your national committee, and two years later he?s your Presidential candidate. If Ol? Bob can do it, why can?t I?? He also pointed out that former Democratic US Senator Mike Gravel switched from running for the Democratic Party Presidential nomination to that of the Libertarian Party just last year while remaining consistent in his views.

    Bill mentioned that he is working on getting his wife Hillary to switch as well, pointing out that she was a Goldwater girl in 1964, and that her best bet to beat Obama in 2012 will be in the general election rather than in the primaries. He also sent a shout out to Alan Greenspan for introducing him to the works of Ayn Rand.

    Asked about his future political plans, Clinton told Paulie that he was considering running for LNC as well as a future run for US Congress, and will be starting a new civil rights organization to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution. ?I was hoping to be appointed Ambassador to the UN, but Obama?s being a total dick about it,? he said. ?Just because I was the real first black President doesn?t mean he has to be that way.?

  49. Erik Viker

    Andy @55, Paul fans already know who we are, and those who aren’t dependent on a hero will join us if they’re going to join us. The rest are hopeless and will follow Rand Spawn of Ron or someone else the Republicans offer up, instead of actually doing the hard work of promoting citizen liberty personally as Libertarians. Tweaking LP messaging will not change their minds. And if they need to be convinced, they’re unlikely to be serious about the individual effort necessary to bring Libertarian principles into public policy. Fanboy adoration won’t do it. Chanting at rallies won’t do it. Sending money to C4L won’t do it. Supporting Republican politicians or their Democrat cronies won’t do it. Direct, one-on-one engagement with government as participants who vote Libertarian and run as Libertarian candidates and serve as Libertarian elected officials might begin to do it.

  50. NewFederalist

    I spent a fair amount of money on the Ron Paul campaign in both 2008 and 2012 and I don’t see much return on investment. I have stopped sending any of his organizations any money. As I watch the LPPA continue to masturbate I just wonder why I rejoined a state party. Oh well, at least I am old enough that I might not be around when it really gets ugly!

  51. paulie

    I spent a fair amount of money on the Ron Paul campaign in both 2008 and 2012 and I don’t see much return on investment.

    That doesn’t have much to do with whether new people being brought into politics through Ron Paul grassroots may be open to the LP.

    As I watch the LPPA continue to masturbate I just wonder why I rejoined a state party.

    That’s just the current leadership, which can be changed next month.

  52. Andy

    “NewFederalist // Mar 21, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    I spent a fair amount of money on the Ron Paul campaign in both 2008 and 2012 and I don’t see much return on investment. I have stopped sending any of his organizations any money.”

    A lot of people say the same thing about the Libertarian Party, and that’s why a lot of people quit the Libertarian Party.

    I actually encountered quite a few ex-LP members in the Ron Paul movement. The reason that these people were ex-LP members was because they became frustrated with the LP and did not see it going anywhere.

    A lot of people – particularly in non-establishment movements – get involved in politics with unrealistic expectations. They don’t understand the amount of work that it takes to enact change or to get anyone elected to office or to get anything passed. A good number of Ron Paul supporters actually thought that he stood a good chance of getting elected President. While I admire their enthusiasm, this was pretty naive. The Ron Paul campaigns were pretty big, but a heck of a lot more momentum would have had to have been gained for him to even stand anything close to having a realistic shot at being elected. I think that his campaigns in 2008 and in 2012 got a lot bigger than a lot of people expected, but it still was not even close to enough to have any chance of Ron Paul being in the White House. The establishment is way too corrupt to allow that to happen.

    I think that Ron Paul’s campaigns were pretty damn effective when it came to the stand point of getting important issues out and growing the pro-liberty movement. Ron Paul got a lot of important issues in the spot light, such as the the problems with the Federal Reserve System and fiat currency, which is something that a lot more people are aware of thanks to Ron Paul.

    Could Ron Paul’s campaigns have been even more effective? Sure. I’d have liked to have seen him talk more about jury nullification (he did talk about it a little bit which is better than nothing, but just imagine if he had made that one of his flag ship issues, wow!). Regardless of what else he could have done, he was still pretty damn effective all things considered.

    Politics and/or enacting change in general is a lot of hard work. You’ve got to be in it for the long battle. Anyone who is expecting a short, easy victory, is setting themselves up for disappointment.

  53. NewFederalist

    The official campaign was more to make family members wealthy. The contributions were nearly as misspent as the Johnson campaign!

  54. paulie

    I think you are assuming things about the Johnson campaign. Having worked on both, the Johnson campaign managed its money much better IMO. Accounting gimmicks aside, that is.

  55. Andy

    “Erik Viker // Mar 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Andy @55, Paul fans already know who we are, and those who aren’t dependent on a hero will join us if they’re going to join us. The rest are hopeless and will follow Rand Spawn of Ron or someone else the Republicans offer up, instead of actually doing the hard work of promoting citizen liberty personally as Libertarians. Tweaking LP messaging will not change their minds.”

    I’m NOT talking about “tweeking” LP messaging. I’m talking about showing the Ron Paul folks who are not already involved with the LP that the LP is not a worthless organization and that it is worth their time and efforct to join the LP. I’m talking about going to Ron Paul / Campaign for Liberty / similar events with Libertarian Party sign up sheets. Let the people know that they don’t have to give up what they are doing and that they can still be a part of the LP to supplement what they are already doing.

    The Libertarian Party needs to show that it is worth joining through the actions of the party. What I see from the LP in a lot of cases is a party that is not big on action, and is more concerned with preaching to the choir or internal bickering than it is in engaging in real world politics and building a movement.

    How many Libertarians are elected to seats in state legislatures right now? ZERO! How long has it been since the Libertarian Party elected anyone to a seat in a state legislature? More than a decade!

    The LP had a realistic opportunity to elect at least two candidates to seats in state legislatures in 2012, as there was a candidate who came close in South Carolina and one who came close in Colorado. Why didn’t they get elected? Bad planning and lack of support. Libertarians around the country should have flooded those districts with money and support. There should have been teams of door-to-door canvasers in those districts. There should have been LP voter registrations drives in those districts. There should have been more advertising in those districts. There should have been a get-out-the-vote effort on election day in those districts, with LP members with cars on stand by all day to drive people to polling places. If something like this had happened, then we might have one or two Libertarians elected to seats in state legislatures right now, both in states with populations of over 4 million people, which puts both of them in the top 25 states in terms of population (the only states where the LP has ever elected anyone to seats in state legislatures were in the low population states of Alaska, Vermont, and New Hampshire). If we had Libertarians elected to seats in state legislatures right now this would be a success that we could point to that would show people that we are effective and that we are serious about politics and are not just playing parlor games or engaging in mental masterbation.

    Look at the level of dysfuntion in some of the state parties like Pennsylvania and Oregon. Are you really surprised that people are not lining up to join these organizations?

    Clean up your house and show people that you are effective and serious, then they will be more likely to want to join your organization.

  56. Andy

    I’ve been to a lot of these Ron Paul / Campaign for Liberty types of meeting / events, and I’ve talked to many of these people about the LP all over the country. I frequently got comments like, “I really like the Libertarian Party. I just wish that you guys had a chance to win.”

  57. paulie

    CT

    Just like you are trying to get the Libertarians to support Republicans in order to get rid of big government, I’ve been telling the Greens to stop undermining the Democrats because I want big government and it can only happen through the Democrats.

    Can you show some real world, as opposed to rhetorical, evidence that Republicans deliver smaller government on balance than Democrats?

  58. Andy

    “paulie // Mar 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    I think you are assuming things about the Johnson campaign. Having worked on both, the Johnson campaign managed its money much better IMO.”

    The Gary Johnson campaign’s messaging and style was also better than that of the Barr campaign. Johnson did not alienate as many potential supporters as Barr did. I say this as a person who was not even a big Gary Johnson supporter.

    I think that there was some progess made in 2012 in growing the Libertarian Party and in bringing in more people from the liberty movement. Do I think that things could have been even better in 2012 for the LP? Sure, but some progress is better than none.

  59. paulie

    James Babb

    The Ron Paul Revolution is a terrible place to promote the LP. Those guys will never support Gary Johnson’s bold new national sales tax. Hell, they don’t even want to keep Gitmo and the Fed open. Their interest in a strong military alliance with Israel is questionable at best.

    You have some misunderstandings about Gary Johnson’s positions.

    Having watched all his youtube ads, many of his speeches and interviews, many of his media appearances, read all his twitter and blog posts during the campaign……he was far better on those issues than you indicate from a selective reading of a few unfortunate statements, most of them before Johnson joined the LP.

    Likewise, Erik Viker exaggerates the negative about Ron Paul.

    While neither one is perfect, both are pretty good, and both have good things to say about each other. Also, each has voted for the other at various times. Maybe their fans should take a cue and be more friendly to each other.

  60. Andy

    Erik Viker said: “And if they need to be convinced, they’re unlikely to be serious about the individual effort necessary to bring Libertarian principles into public policy. Fanboy adoration won’t do it. Chanting at rallies won’t do it. Sending money to C4L won’t do it. Supporting Republican politicians or their Democrat cronies won’t do it. Direct, one-on-one engagement with government as participants who vote Libertarian and run as Libertarian candidates and serve as Libertarian elected officials might begin to do it.”

    Cult like adoration for the LP will not necessarily change anything either. The people who are already in the LP need to do a lot of work to show that they are serious and build an organization that people will want to join by showing that it is something more than a social club / debating society.

  61. paulie

    NF

    It is curious that Ron Paul and now Rand Paul are keeping libertarian oriented voters attracted to the Republican Party rather than the Libertarian Party.

    Ron Paul himself has quit the NSGOP for the second time after he, his family and others traveling with them were searched and harassed by the TSA on the way out of Tampa.

    Many new LP members discovered the liberty movement thanks to Ron Paul. As did many Gary Johnson voters and activists. Even a few long-time LP members who came in from Ron Paul’s LP campaign 25 years ago.

  62. paulie

    CC

    My biggest issue with Ron Paul is that he did not endorse Romney.

    Why would he endorse Romney? Romney is either the same as Obama or slightly worse. Endorsing Romney would betray everything Ron Paul ever stood for. People who know him personally have told me he actually voted for Johnson, although he did not make a public statement unambiguously stating that. He did hint at it, though.

  63. Erik Viker

    The Libertarian Party will always have difficulty promoting the organization’s stated purpose (see LP bylaws) if it continues to promote Republican Party candidates. The LPPA, and to a similar extent the national LP, is a hopeless morass of internal beefs, Paulite adoration, and scattered Occupy-flavored protesters. I will still vote Libertarian so I can be sure I am not responsible for government crimes, but most of the citizenry is really not interested in better government, which the LP is incapable of providing at this time in history anyway. Most voters just want their team to win contests, and the LP is unfortunately in many ways a microcosm of that. It’s

  64. James Babb

    If the LP wants libertarian support, it might consider running libertarian candidates, and not washed up Republicans like Bob Barr and Johnson.

    It’s certainly is embarrassing for the LP when the GOP has a more libertarian candidate.

    Brand loyalty over principle is what corrupted the old parties. The Cargo Cult faction of LP never learns.

  65. Steve M

    @76 record numeric vote for Johnson… I think the libertarian voters liked what they saw.

  66. paulie

    washed up Republicans like Bob Barr and Johnson.

    Not at all the same thing.

    It’s certainly is embarrassing for the LP when the GOP has a more libertarian candidate.

    When would that have been?

  67. George Phillies

    Paulie, Ron Paul is a Christian Dominionist except when he sees a chance to separate Libertarians from their cash.

    He is a xenophobic bigot who in his TV ads portrayed illicit immigrants – about which he rants at great length in his fundraising letters – in New Hampshire as swarthy and heavy set.

    He wink wink nudge nudge wants to ban gay marriage as much as possible through through the racist “states’ rights” doctrine.

    He wants to ensure that our daughters die of back-office and alley abortions by seeing the process banned as much as possible.

    He lied through his teeth about his racist newsletter, about which he suddenly discovered that he had no knowledge, exactly opposite to what he had said only a few years earlier.

    He is a global warming denier, an evolution denier, and a believer that the Christian Bible is literally and exactly true, including one infers the two contradictory descriptions of creation.

    In short, he is everything that makes the Republican Party unfit to govern, except that he is not a warmonger and genocide advocate.

    And, with respect to abortion, I believe the correct Libertarian position was recently expressed by a former LPNH Secretary, which I approximate as “You keep your first amendment rights off my right to an abortion, and I will keep my second amendment rights off your right to breathe.”

  68. George Phillies

    Exact quote from Avens O’Brien: “I’ll protect my right to choice with my right to a gun, so keep your laws off my uterus if you value your own right to life.”

  69. James Babb

    Whatever Ron’s flaws, his voting record is 1,000x more libertarian than Bob Barr’s Iraq war, Patriot Act, TSA, etc.

    There is competition for resources from politically minded libertarians. If the LP wants to attract those resources they can’t keep picking non-libertarian candidates.

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