Libertarian Party of Florida Chair Says LP Regional Representative Vicki Kirkland May Be Removed

Vicki Kirkland

Submitted to IPR by a Libertarian Party of Florida (LPF) member, September 2nd: 

A confidential informant on the EC (who’s identity I can reveal under the condition of keeping his name out of it) shared this post on the private FL EC Facebook, posted by Dana Moxley Cummings:

There is an issue that keeps rearing it’s head around every corner that needs to be addressed. That issue being John Wayne Smith.

Recently the LPF officers have come under attack for supporting our party’s only filled and vetted candidate for Governor, Adrian Wyllie. Of course the attacks are baseless, and in reality, it is the duty of the LPF to support all vetted candidates including those competing against non-vetted candidates. However, LP National is supporting JWS (as well as Adrian).

According to National LP By-Laws, Article 6 (5) The autonomy of the affiliate and sub-affiliate parties shall not be abridged by the National Committee or any other committee of the Party, except as provided by these Bylaws. I believe National has infringed on our state affiliate by showing support for JWS a candidate who is rejected by the State Affiliate by his own accord.

Before I submitted to National the current vetted LPF candidates, National already had JWS listed on their Website as the only candidate. It is not the place of National to support a candidate the state affiliate has not approved. The whole bottom-up model that the LP structures itself around, means that it’s the affiliate (be it county or state) who must control what actions the body above it takes regarding such issues.

I made a statement on a thread explaining that we currently only have one candidate to support according to our governing documents and pointed out that supporting an un-vetted candidate in a race where there is are one or more vetted LPF candidates is actually a violation of our LPF Standing Rules ARTICLE III, Section 6. which states: No county affiliate shall endorse a candidate for statewide office who has opposition by a candidate endorsed or nominated by the LPF.

Of course Vicki Kirkland, characteristically began very defensively and poorly, denying that she supports any non-vetted candidates. So I asked her, “Vicki Kirkland, as our LNC Regional Rep, have you, or have you not had communications with LP National in support of JWS rather than our vetted candidate Adrian Wyllie?”. Rather than answering the question she stated the following: “… I have not indicated in anyway whom I might support as an individual. I have actually known Steve LaBianca (23 years) and Alex George (10 years) longer than I’ve known JWS (8 years) or Adrian (4 years). I had nothing to do with the National Blog interview of JWS.”

I am still unsure of what that response exactly means. Regardless, we either have an issue with National acting outside of their capacity, or we have an issue with our Regional LNC Rep., Vicki Kirkland. So at this time, I call upon Vicki Kirkland to address this concern with National as i find it to be within her scope of duties as our Regional Rep. I also ask that the EC be copied on all emails between Vicki and National regarding this issue. If Vicki fails to address this issue I will deem her derelict in her position as LNC Regional Rep and convene with the Georgia and Tennessee state chair’s to discuss her removal from that position.

I do recognize and am aware of the great things Vicki has done for the LPF, but I am also aware of the damages she has caused. As far as I’m concerned, what has happened in the past, both good and bad, is water under the bridge and I would now like to address this issue at hand.

90 thoughts on “Libertarian Party of Florida Chair Says LP Regional Representative Vicki Kirkland May Be Removed

  1. Mike Kane

    I am truly appalled that Chairwoman Dana Cummings would suggest removing duly elected LNC Represenative Vicki Kirkland.

    When I first read this post on the private facebook group, I suggested that Dana tread lightly, and not want to anger many long term activists in party. She responded that she was confident in her choices. I then wrote “There are individuals in this country who have devoted their life and $100,000’s each to the party and it’s candidates and causes (such as ballot access). They don’t like to see similar activists being rooted out.”

    She then wrote ” as chair, and as an individual, I will never let the actions and monetary donations of another dictate my own. I’m sorry if people feel they have paid for (either with their time or money) some kind of special treatment or a “free pass” to not have to comply with certain rules. If someone is looking for thy kind of treatment I suggest they belong to one of the big 2″.

    Notice how I never suggested special treatment or get a free pass — but she thinks that long term activists and donors should go join the Republicans and Democrats. I just had to shake my head in disgust.

    Regardless of how I feel, I will reconsider my personal involvement with the LPF should Dana proceed with trying to remove Vicki from the LNC, against the will of the delegates who elected her at the 2012 convention.

    -Mike Kane
    Region 14 LPF Representative

  2. Mike Kane

    In addition, the LPF Treasurer has refused to provide a balance sheet or a statement of operations/cash flows to the EC since May. She instead chooses to link to the FEC website for the report filed. The Chairwoman doesn’t think this is an issue.

    This is the epitome of misguided priorities and bad leadership.

  3. Dana Cummings

    LPF Chair also says that Mike Kane is derelict in his duties and wishes our standing rules provided the ability to remove anyone from our EC that is neglects to perform their job. Unfortunately that can’t happen. Yet luckily, I’m pretty convinced that if Mike Kane will be a one term LPF Regional Representative due to his continuos actions which only embarrass himself and his friends. I’ve never seen such a sore loser in all my life….so i guess congratulations Mike Kane you win and being the biggest sore loser. On a final note….you can go around twisting my words and the words of my admirable colleagues all you like. It truly only affirms that I am doing a fantastic job. the angrier and outlandish your little faction gets, the more you distance yourself from the party and push people to our side. So keep it up Mike Kane, Joe Wendt and Alex George, every time you publish something like this I receive an outpouring of support from all of those in the majority.

  4. Steve LaBianca

    There are SEVERAL problems with the Libertarian Party of Florida leadership – which mainly includes Danielle Alexandre, the LPF Treasurer, Alex Snitker, the LPF Vice-Chair, their puppet LPF Chair, Dana Moxley Cummings, and several of their representatives on the Executive Committee of the LPF, including Jared Grifoni and his girlfriend Elsa Martinez from Collier County, and several others who are in the “amen” peanut gallery supporting this sham of a state party leadership, and a sham of a Gubernatorial candidate, Adrian Wyllie.

    It has been reported to me, that several calls for a complete opening of the financial records to Executive Committee members is being stonewalled by the Treasurer, Danielle Alexandre. The simple APPEARANCE of a conflict of interest by her as campaign manager for the still, non-nominated Gubernatiorial candidate, Adrian Wyllie, along with her other political activities which may or may not be in conflict with her stated duties as LPF Treasurer, is additional cause for concern for the opening up of the financial records , as such potential conflicts gives rise to potential mismanagement, or even misappropriation of LPF funds for purposes that are not commensurate with the LPF itself. Ms. Alexandre’s response is to contuinue to parrot the line, “just look at the FEC website” . . . but WHERE is the information provided to the State of Florida? There IS NOTHING reported to them, which to my knowledge, has a different set of requirements regarding state office candidates and state projects – FYI, Wyllie is running for a STATE office, not a federal office!

    Add in the totally inappropriate combining of the LPF Fundraising committee and Finance committee by certain members of this leadership, under one person’s control, and we have the makings for a MAJOR scandal in Libertarian politics!

    I have been involved with three (four, if you count my honorary “membership” with the LP of Pennsylvania in the 1990’s) state parties affiliated with the LP, been an alternate Regional Rep on the LNC and been involved in the national LP in other ways as well for many years. So . . . I have NEVER seen such secrecy, nastiness, and the multitude of witch hunts as has come out of this group of clowns that run the LPF.

    NOTE: I have been a professional accountant and financial analyst for over 30 years.

  5. Steve LaBianca

    Mike Kane said, “In addition, the LPF Treasurer has refused to provide a balance sheet or a statement of operations/cash flows to the EC since May. She instead chooses to link to the FEC website for the report filed. The Chairwoman doesn’t think this is an issue.”

    From what I’ve heard, not only does Ms. Cummings NOT think this is an issue, but that the LPF Executive Members should “support” the great work that Alexandre is doing! So . . .BLINDLY FOLLOW???!!! HOW is THIS libertarian? These very “green” officers do NOT in the least, understand the sentiment of what it means to be a libertarian! Earth to Dana Cummings – LIBERTARIANS do NOT trust authority! Get used to it, or get the hell out of the LP!

  6. Alex Snitker

    Steve,

    The facts that you are leaving out could fit into the Grand Canyon.

    First you have been asked via email over and over again to participate in the finance committee and as of now you have refused by not responding to any correspondence.

    Second you have no facts that back up any of your claims. This is a common theme with you and Mike Kane. You have offered nothing positive or substantive to anyone. All you have are baseless claims and personal attacks.

    I believe that you are doing this simply because those in leadership choose to believe that political parties are formed to elect candidates and because you do not believe that there should be a government you want to stop the LPF from moving on from being a debate club.

    The members of the EC were elected at the last convention only months ago with large majorities. I was voted for the position of Vice Chair with 80% of the vote against Mike Kane.

    You are simply an angry person that sees the LPF growing in a manner you do not approve because you do not agree with the current platform. This platform was voted on by the membership and you lost.

    You are unable to deal with this loss and have made it your mission, along with Mike Kane and others to be as disruptive as possible to attempt to frustrate productive members to the point that we will leave.

    You would rather damage the party and lose members than grow and bring in new people who are not anarchist like yourself.

    You should also know that I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE. I WAS ELECTED TO DO A JOB AND I PLAN ON DOING IT.

    The vast majority of the membership agree with me whether you like it or not. You have already wasted more of my time with your baseless accusations.

    TURN IN YOUR PAPERWORK AND RUN AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET THE VOTES YOU NEED TO WIN.

    You do not have any understanding on the rules and regulations in relation to the Libertarian Party of Florida or the rules to be a candidate.

    The only people who are bitter is you and Mike Kane. Your ugliness toward members of the EC show that you are not interested in growth of this party.

    I was at the Hillsborough County LP meeting and we were discussing how to get out and grow the party but you felt it to be more important to watch the baseball game than to participate. It is clear to me that you would rather the LPF return to a debate club than grow. I suggest you grow up and get involved or just leave and let those who care about growing this party to their mission.

  7. Steve LaBianca

    Thanks for your “pop psychology” Mr. Snitker. When you do anything more than be a failed copy machine salesman, let me know as I’d be curious what your credential for psychoanalysis have become!

    Stick to the issue (gee . . . sounds like its OK for YOU and your compadres on the EC can do it but be damned if anyone else gets off topic!)

    The issue here is OPEN THE FINANCIAL RECORDS to the people who have the responsibility (LPF Executive Committee) to make sure the LPF funds aren’t being used for purposes other than what the members of the LPF deserve. Referring to the FEC website is completely dodging the issue, and if you were a responsible officer of the LPF, you would make this visibility happen.

    The secrecy is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE.

  8. Steve LaBianca

    AND, produce the financial information to the members of the EC . . . ALL the financial information!

  9. Thomas L. Knapp

    “The whole bottom-up model that the LP structures itself around, means that it’s the affiliate (be it county or state) who must control what actions the body above it takes regarding such issues.”

    Bottom-up model?

    A bottom-up model would be letting Florida’s Libertarian voters choose the party’s gubernatorial candidate, not having a central clique impose its choice on those voters in the name of “vetting.”

    It seems to be an organizational disease — Missouri’s state executive committee has pulled the same kind of crap several times.

  10. Steve LaBianca

    Snitker says, “The facts that you are leaving out could fit into the Grand Canyon.”

    Funny how there is only this statement as such, but ZERO attempt to fill in the alleged blanks by Snitker!

  11. Mike Kane

    As usual, trying to shift the focus away from where the responsibility lies (The Chairwoman trying to remove Vicki Kirkland from the LNC, The Treasurer not doing her job and providing financial reports to the Committee), to me, for making comments about the situation. Typical statist tricks.

  12. Alex Snitker

    “Thanks for your “pop psychology” Mr. Snitker. When you do anything more than be a failed copy machine salesman, let me know as I’d be curious what your credential for psychoanalysis have become!”

    More personal attacks. This is all you have Steve. You are a sad individual who needs to grow up and stop acting like a 5th grader who lost a game of tag in the playground. It is people like you who have held this party down with your elitist attitude.

    It is a great thing that your mentality now represents a very small minority in the LPF.

    Your baseless accusations and libelous claims are the only thing you have to justify your existence in the LP. This party has moved on pass your “debate club” mentality and we are so much better off for it.

    You had a candidate in the race for the vice chair and this “failed copier salesman” as you put it beat Mike with 80% of the vote. If I was able to beat you so convincingly what does that say about you and Mike Kane?

  13. Danielle Alexandre

    Mr. LaBianca continues to propose ridiculous accusations that are baseless and border on the line of libelous.

    There is no financial connection between a political campaign and a political party unless the party votes to give the candidate financial assistance.

    Also, a state political party is required to report financed to the FEC. The State of Florida has a statute forbidding the state political party from reporting the information to the state if it is reported to the FEC. That is why the Libertarian Party of Florida reports to the FEC and does not report to the state. This is to comply with state law. The FEC requires all donations to candidates be reported to them. Since I have been Treasurer no donations of the kind have been made to any candidate.

    Candidates for statewide office report to the state and not the FEC. These candidates also have to report any contributions made even from their own political party. At this time no contribution has been made.

    Also, this is the email that was sent to the Executive Committee regarding the demand for a “balance sheet”

    “Executive Committee,

    I do not take kindly to accusation or demands. I also do not comply with demands made over issues not relevant to the demand (as in blocking someone on Facebook).

    I would like to explain the issue of a “balance sheet” and why I feel that the FEC filing is sufficient.

    The “balance sheet” is listed for public record on the FEC website. It is true I do not post the same numbers in multiple places since that is not only time consuming but redundant and I feel the executive committee has the ability to look at all of the numbers if they have any questions. The way in which you have to file the report with the FEC is not done in a way to make it easy to repost to the forum. In fact, it populates the “balance sheet” as you put in the numbers. Due to this fact and my time constraints, I feel it is not unreasonable to direct people to the FEC site for the “balance sheet” and compromise my actual report of anything that would not be made public record in the reporting.

    As most people know, I chair multiple committees (some of which I have asked this EC to relieve me of), take a large number of the phone calls that come into the LPF, travel the state for regional planning conferences and to visit affiliates, am working on at least 2 (and possibly 3) pieces of legislation that will be presented in Tallahassee this session with the credit going to the LPF and numerous other projects for the LPF as well as my work on the Wyllie campaign and my personal day job. I took the position of Treasurer due to the lack of any other person stepping forward to do it, a state law that requires us to have a treasurer or cease to be a party and my background in accounting. It was not a position I desired but one that I have filled out of a duty to the party.”

    Here is also the explanation of the “balance sheet” that was given to the EC and anyone who can do simple math can understand that the numbers on the FEC report are accurate. If they would take the 45 seconds to look at the filing and compare that with the monthly bills that have been talked about on numerous EC calls (plus given out in my explanation but excluded here) you can see that the numbers align perfectly. There is nothing that is unaccounted for.

    “The money for the county affiliates (the split of all donations) is actually an “expense” and that is why our expenses are always above half of what we take in. There is one donation every month that does not go to any county affiliate (because he lives out of the country) for $. The rest generally gets cut in half and gets put in escrow for the county affiliates. So in a month that we take in $500, $200 is an “expense” to escrow for the county affiliates. We have some stable bills every month, $ for the phone service, $ for web hosting, $ for email service and a few small others. Since these are all under $50 they would not generate a classification and are considered “unitemized” and would be in a lump sum of “unitemized” expenses on a balance sheet. The fees that do differ every month is the fees to take credit cards (the more we bring in the higher the fee) and the bank fees. Since each of these individual items are also under $50 they are again put in the “unitemized” category. There are also a few small donations to the membership and legislative accounts that also would not be included in the split but again, it’s minimal so you can pretty much estimate half and only be off a little bit.

    So in our balance sheet you would just see the opening balance. A place for “unitemized” donations (income) for donations under $50, Itemized donations (income) for any donations over $50 and “unitemized” expenses (which includes our small monthly bills and the money that went into the escrow for county affiliates).

    This is exactly what the FEC report looks like. It is literally our balance sheet. This is the reason why I do not see a reason to type out the same numbers. It would look identical but would make me do the report to the FEC and then take the same numbers and create a balance sheet that looks EXACTLY like the report on the FEC website. It makes no sense.

    Now there are the 2 accounts for membership and legislative. You can see both of those on Your Patriot but so little is added every month that it would not rate a line item on a balance. Since it is not public record I can certainly give those two numbers out in my report every month if it will help answer your questions and give you more info. It doesn’t take long to get those two numbers. ”

    I also tried numerous times and ways to invite Mr. LaBianca to participate.

    Aside from these emails below, I added Mr. LaBianca to the Facebook group for the committee through his email address. This would send him an invite to the group which as of today he has not accepted.

    ——– Original Message ——–
    Subject: Finance Committee
    From:
    Date: Sun, May 12, 2013 4:20 pm
    To:

    As I was looking through some old emails trying to catch up on things as I take over for Jeremi as Treasurer, I noticed that we had a Finance Committee at one time that was never used. I understand that Jeremi was very busy and just did not have time to chair this committee and also do all of the work it takes to be Treasurer but I am in a much different position.

    I have asked Adrian if I could re-activate that committee with me as the chair and he has agreed. I have contacted everyone that was previously on that committee but I would also like to add some more. I think this will go a long way to ease minds when it comes to how the “books” are kept and lighten the load for everyone involved. I would also like to get to a point where the Finance Committee could also be working on fundraising for the LPF.

    Starting towards the end of next week, we will be doing an internal audit as the Finance Committee. I want to invite ANYONE who wants to be involved with this committee to join us! I was the accounting tutor for the local college here for years so even if you have no experience, I am actually trained in teaching basic accounting principles. Do not let inexperience stop you from joining us! Take this as an open invitation!!
    If the region reps could get this message out I would appreciate it and any EC member who would like to join the committee is very welcomed to.
    Danielle Alexandre
    Treasurer
    Libertarian Party of Florida

    ——– Original Message ——–
    Subject: Finance Committee
    From:
    Date: Sat, May 11, 2013 6:08 am
    To:

    Good Morning,
    I have just learned that as the incoming Treasurer, I will also be the new Chairperson of the Finance Committee. I wanted to send out a message to everyone on the committee to see what has been done up to this point, how you have been meeting and what everyone’s strengths and weaknesses are so we can move forward in a productive manner. I will also be putting out a call for new members to help us along.
    Right now, our first order of business has to be an audit of all of the finances up until now. Luckily, this should not be too much work since the LPF does not have a large amount of deposits or expenses. (Hopefully this changes greatly in the coming year)
    We have a few ways to go about this. I can send everyone a few months of info so they can compile the expenses and income, some people can work on expenses and others on income or I can compile an audit and have everyone look it over with all of the information for verification by the committee. I am also open to more suggestions!
    I am very excited to work with everyone and I believe the best way to move forward is to work together and have complete transparency to the entire membership of the LPF. I do not want a repeat of what has happened recently and will do everything I can to prevent it. I think working together on all of this will ease a lot of minds and distribute the work so no one is overwhelmed.
    Thank you all for being on this committee and I look forward to a great year working together.
    Danielle Alexandre
    Treasurer
    Libertarian Party of Florida

  14. Steve LaBianca

    Bottom line – Ms Alexandre, produce the COMPLETE financial information to the Executive Committee. This includes, ALL bank statements, bank reconciliations, Profit and Loss statement (or a Statement of Operations) a Balance Sheet, a Statement of Cash Flows, PLUS a full accounting, reconciliation and analysis of what specific amounts make up the balances in ANY and ALL Balance Sheet accounts.

    There is absolute ZERO credibility in a position in which the answer to calls for visibility of financial information to the governing body of the LPF, is “see the FEC website”.

  15. Steve LaBianca

    “border on the line of libelous” – so I guess there is a lawsuit you are going to initiate against me, Ms. Alexandre?

  16. Alex Snitker

    Let me bottom line this for you Steve.

    You have no authority to ask for this information and it will not be given to you.

    The Treasurer has provided the information needed to satisfy the majority of the members of the EC. You are not a member of the EC and determinations to this will be up to the EC and not you.

    If you have a problem with this then I suggest you run for a position on the EC.

    You were asked to be a member of the Finance Committee and failed to accept this position. You are only doing this in an attempt to waste productive peoples time and to try to get good people who are serious Libertarians to quit.

  17. LPF_Useless_Troll

    I support Mike Kane, Steve LaBianca, and the rest of the book club faction. I want to be relevant yet I do not have the drive, intelligence, or wherewithal to actually accomplish things electorally.

    I am part of a dwindling minority within the LPF as evidenced by the fact that everything and everyone I supported at the convention was summarily dismantled by the members of the LPF who work hard, spend countless time and money to advance liberty, and have a track record to prove it.

    I am on my last legs.

    If you support us, please visit us at our once a month meeting at a neighborhood Perkin’s so we can complain together and reminisce over the good old days over our sunny side up eggs and stale coffee.

  18. Adrian Wyllie

    Steve, the LPF’s financial reports are public record. Nothing is secret. Here is the most recent balance sheet for the LPF. http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00482372/886461/

    All financial records for the LPF, including historical data, are publicly available on the FEC website.
    http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/candcmte_info.shtml

    I think you’ll find that the website is easy to use. However, if you have trouble, they do have online help available.

  19. Joe Wendt

    The Libertarians in Florida have a right to know that their Chair is trying to remove Florida’s only voice on the LNC Executive Committee, purely because of Chair’s and her associates bias against John Wayne Smith and his campaign for Governor. Their attacks on any implied dissent is unlibertarian and digusting. The sad irony is that they are doing to JWS, what the GOP establishment did to Ron Paul (and they both justified their actions in the same way). These people quislings to the libertarian movement and should be kicked out of office.

  20. Joe Wendt

    correcting typos

    The Libertarians in Florida have a right to know that their Chair is trying to remove Florida’s only voice on the LNC Executive Committee, purely because of Chair’s and her associates bias against John Wayne Smith and his campaign for Governor. Their attacks on any implied dissent is unlibertarian and digusting. The sad irony is that what they are doing to JWS, is what the GOP establishment did to Ron Paul (and they both justified their actions in the same way). These people are quislings to the libertarian movement and should be kicked out of office.

  21. Steve LaBianca

    “You were asked to be a member of the Finance Committee”

    As I said earlier Mr. Snitker, produce the proof of that.

    But see, there is a deeper issue here. It begins with this statement from the LPF vice Chair, Mr. Snitker – “You have no authority to ask for this information and it will not be given to you. ”

    First, Snitker erroneously says I have no authority to ask; I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that what he MEANS is, I am not entitled to receive this information. And the Treasurer is under no legal obligation to provide it to me. That, if said in such a way, I would have no disagreement with.

    However, that ISN’T what Snitker said – but I also never said that I should receive it – only that the EC should!

    Thirdly, since this information is SO guarded, why NOT let me see it? I’m certain that I know FAR MORE about accounting and finances than Ms Alexandre or Mr. Snitker do. But see, my strong inkling is, Snitker isn’t, in this instance, really “about” offering to me, to be ON the Finance Committee (oops, I mean Fundraising AND Finance Committee), but about saying things which detract from MY credibility.

    In the past, and even in current times, LP State Treasurers have routinely let members of their respective state parties SEE the financial information that is THEIR political party! Not so with this group – they are guarding this information as if it is theirs to keep secret from membership and governing body members – er CERTAIN governing body members.

    This “us vs. them” attitude started with these folks – Danielle Alexandre, Alex Snitker, Adrian Wyllie, and their whole host of “AMEN” lemmings in their fold – all they need to do is promote visibility and openness of the financial information to their members and committee members.

    I’m not holding my breath, but I would say, ask James Curtis of the LPVa if HE thinks he should withhold THAT state’s party financial information!

  22. Matt Schnackenberg

    “These people quislings to the libertarian movement and should be kicked out of office.” – Joe Wendt

    These “quislings” as you call us are the only ones willing to stand and fight for liberty. We are the only ones who have educated ourselves in what Libertarianism is. We understand the bylaws and stand for them.

    The rules we have in place have been mutually agreed and voted upon by the majority of those who are volunteering their time and energy to move the party and liberty forward.

    There is a huge difference between what happened to the good doctor and JWS. Ron Paul played by the rules of his party. JWS isn’t. When and IF JWS, and Steve, decides to follow the rules that the have been approved by the majority of LPF members then maybe we can get over this hoopla going on about following our own rules.

    Everyone of us in the LPF and party are volunteers. If you do not like the way this party is going, then stop volunteering.

    – Matt Schnackenberg
    Chair – Libertarian Party of Hernando County
    US Congressional Candidate – District 11

  23. Steve LaBianca

    I suggest to ALL LPF EC members, to be able to view ALL bank statements, their respective bank reconciliations, all descriptive support for ALL balance sheet accounts and a breakdown of ALL donations, coded/classified to be for Federal and/or State purposes, and all disbursements and their purposes which appear as part of or individually on a Profit and Loss Statement or Statement of Operations.

    IMHO, nothing short of a non – qualified independent audit will suffice if there is continued secrecy of “ALL” this financial information, which I ask ALL EC members to view.

  24. George Phillies

    When I was LAMA Treasurer, I produced a monthly financial report that often went up for the entire membership to see. There was a Federal report for the FEC funds and a state report for the much more tightly regulated and monitored state funds.

    After all, the money came *from the donors*. Showing them where it went was in my opinion mission critical. Given the huge sums that had been wasted by past administrations, like the state convention that lost tens of thousands of dollars, Massachusetts donors were well advised to insist that they would not give money if its destinations were secret.

    Then there was the local group that announced they needed 60+ grand to cover debts, and raised the money, and paid off the debt — the leaders paid each other their ‘consulting fees’.

  25. Steve LaBianca

    George, my next post was, (if the secrecy continued) to call on ALL donors to cease donating until this information was made available.

  26. Steve LaBianca

    Ultimately, if this is a “private club” that only the “anointed ones” can be a part of, that is a risk, and in that case, they can have it, but I’ll be damned if these people pervert libertarianism AND continue to get libertarians to support them, financially and/or time wise.

  27. Alex Snitker

    Steve,

    If I thought for one second that you had an honest inquiry then I would answer your question. You were asked to not only be on the committee (Danielle produced the emails that prove it) but you were also asked to be the treasurer. You know this and your refusal to tell the truth just proves you are only doing this to try to start trouble.

    Do you even donate to the state party? Does Mike Kane? I will let you answer for yourself but we all know the answer is no.

    This is the problem I have with you and Mike Kane. Mike was specifically asked to be the chair of the candidates committee and the only thing we heard was a reply email (after several emails asking him) was that he is too busy.

    You complain but when asked to participate you refuse. How is this us starting it? You lie about us over and over and over. Even after all the lies and insults we still tried after the convention to offer an olive branch. I talked to Mike Kane face to face and he lied when he agreed to work together.

    What you cannot do is say that we started anything. We have been defending ourselves from your constant attacks for some time now.

    I am sick and tired of you debate clubbers accusing us of the tactics you use every day.

    You are in the wrong and you know it. You could care less because your intent is to drive good people away from the party. You will not succeed any longer.

  28. LPF_Useless_Troll

    The LPF has grown more in the past year than it ever has before in history. I think this is because I started tipping 10% at the local Perkin’s during our monthly debate club meetings.

    I am absolutely sure that is has nothing to do with any of the efforts of the people like Dana, Danielle, Alex, and other hard working members of the LPF.

    I think we should return to the old way things were done – that is, not at all. I prefer to not feel incompetent and every time the new leadership accomplishes something and/or brings the LPF to a new level I feel bad.

    Please let me pretend my life has meaning again! Vote Kane! Vote LaBianca! JWS for Governor!

  29. Steve LaBianca

    “If the book club wants to stop us…then just do it. We’ll do us….you do you….and let the chips fall where they may. Game on.”

    What did I say about the “us vs. them” originating from these clowns?

    Alex what you think is of zero concern to me; I am only looking out for the integrity of the LP, which I have been a part of for more nearly 25 years. Barring that, (and it seems that libertarianism is LOSING in the “Libertarian Party”), you folks can assimilate with and mimic all the other “parties” to grovel with the citizenry for alleged support for coercion. Third Party politics has NEVER been about that, and you and your group of pretenders can pompously think that you are “making history” in a mass of delusion all you want!

    As I see it, Snitker, Alexandre, Wyllie, Cummings have never been about the integrity of promoting libertarianism succinctly, persuasively, and truly . . but about some other fusion of Tea Party crap with a few anti-NWO positions . . AND in controlling the purse strings to further that agenda.

    My conscience is clear, I sleep nights knowing that I promote liberty and I make no excuse for that. Karma can be a bitch, Snitker.

  30. LPF_Useless_Troll

    ” you folks can assimilate with and mimic all the other “parties” to grovel with the citizenry for alleged support for coercion. Third Party politics has NEVER been about that”

    Exactly! Thank you, Steve.

    The reason why I joined the LPF was so I didn’t have to actually do anything. I only want to pretend that I’m intellectually superior to others.

    All my friends at the local Perkin’s book club agree with me. We do NOT want to actually change anything. That requires far too much work and I simply can’t afford it on my disability check.

  31. Steve LaBianca

    Interesting statements here from Snitker – “I am sick and tired of you debate clubbers accusing us of the tactics you use every day.

    You are in the wrong and you know it. You could care less because your intent is to drive good people away from the party. You will not succeed any longer.”

    First the “inside my head” argument LOL!!! – Secondly the “us vs. them” argument. But there is good reason why such an argument is prolonged – it comes from THIS statement from Snitker – “I am sick and tired of you debate clubbers accusing us of the tactics you use every day. ” That’s – “YOU debate clubbers” and “accusing US” (emphasis added).

    Snitker, do you have an individualist bone in your body, or is everything for you, about “we”, “us” and “them”, etc?

    I’ll forgive you Alex, and Adrian, too when Adrian (should he get the nomination) gets his (MAYBE) 1.0 to 1.5% (OK, maybe even a little more . . . I’m feeling generous), in that you may have turned the political debate a little. Gee . . . didn’t I say something about that, like a million times?

  32. Steve LaBianca

    Where’s the proof, Mr. Snitker and/or Ms Alexandre, where I WAS ASKED? Generic emails that indicate NOTHING, in the sense that they were sent to me, are meaningless.

    So THIS is the proof: “Aside from these emails below, I added Mr. LaBianca to the Facebook group for the committee through his email address.”

    Really? That’s news to me! What email address was used? I never saw them. I am categorically denying EVER having knowledge about being added to some FaceBook group, relating to any LPF committee.

    Until you can produce proof that I EXPLICITLY denied such an (alleged) request, I see this (alleged) proof as vacuous.

  33. LPF_Useless_Troll

    This is great! Keep at it, Steve!

    I could have been out canvassing my neighborhood today, writing a letter to the editor, or other activism that required real, actual work (blech!) but instead I was able to waste time on here pretending that I am working for libertarianism!

    Man, complaining online is GREAT for my confidence levels. This is what LPF “activism” is all about for my book club faction.

  34. Dana Cummings

    I actually have probably only read 15% of the cumulative of all of the responses because I know its just more of the same.

    But, LPF_Useless_Troll is right, people joined the party because the Libertarian Party was the party of discussion and now that it’s evolved into the next “stage of activism”, as Rothbard explains, we will experience turmoil from those who fear that if we grow,we become closer to “the system” and the “system” is what we hate.

    Just let it be known that those of us who aren’t faced with that internal dilemma, aren’t going to slow down while you figure it out.

  35. Adrian Wyllie

    Just to calm any fears that the LPF is experiencing some “crisis,” allow me to explain the reality of the situation. The LPF has never been stronger or more unified. The loud voices of the dissenters in this forum represent an extreme minority of opinion. The vast majority of the membership is fully on board with the new, more active and more effective direction of the LPF.

    I’ve been a Libertarian in Florida for over 20 years, and I’ve never seen anything like what we are accomplishing today. LPF membership has grown by 1200% in the last year. LP voter registration is up. Our members have become an influential force in the state legislature, and have written and introduced several bills in the 2013 and 2014 sessions. In fact, the Florida anti-drone bill which passed in 2013 was written by the LPF. And, we are leading the charge for an end to cannabis prohibition by introducing both a medical marijuana bill and an industrial hemp bill in 2014.

    Libertarian candidates are experiencing a huge surge in both public opinion and the media. I am currently polling at 8.7% against Rick Scott and Charlie Crist in a three-way race. In the past 10 days, I’ve done multiple radio interviews, five major newspaper interviews, and two network affiliate TV interviews. In each, I discussed both my campaign and the Libertarian Party philosophy behind it.

    We are winning the public relations battle by promoting true Libertarian values, and the people of Florida are beginning to like what they hear.

  36. Mike Kane

    I wouldn’t say there is a crisis. But I will say it’s disgusting that the Chairwoman is seeking to circumvent the will of the delegates at the 2012 convention to promote her own agenda and in her words “Remove the old guard from the party”.

    I also find it highly suspect that the treasurer is refusing to provide financial statements.

  37. LPF_Useless_Troll

    Mike Kane,

    You are EXACTLY right! It is disgusting that the LPF leadership is ACTUALLY doing something. I fully agree with you that we should go back to our days as a debate club.

    I am strongly considering moving to Monroe County, where there is absolutely no LPF activity, so I can continue to talk a big game while accomplishing nothing (why else join the LPF?).

    I am looking forward to corresponding with you further in our efforts to sink the only political entity that is successfully advancing the cause of liberty.

    Thank you for your incompetence. It has given me new hope in life and a renewed sense of importance that had left me when I saw other people actually accomplishing the things I only complained about while I daydreamed looking into my stale coffee at the local Perkins.

    Mike Kane 2014!

  38. LPF_Useless_Troll

    P.S.

    This IS a crisis, Mike. I can’t afford to feel bad about myself. We NEED to stop the LPF leadership from making the Libertarian Party a viable political entity.

    Book club 4 lyfe!

  39. Adrian Wyllie

    @Mike Kane 42:

    I presided over the 2012 LPF convention, and I do not recall you being in attendance. If you’re referring to the 2013 LPF convention, everything that I’ve seen LPF chair Dana Cummings do so far has been completely consistent with the will of the delegates and with our governing documents.

    As I mentioned earlier in this thread, all LPF financial statements are public record. The most recent financial report is located here: http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00482372/886461/

    All other LPF financial records can be accessed here: http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/candcmte_info.shtml

    Also, I don’t understand how you can accuse the LPF treasurer of refusing to provide financial statements. She simply refused to create special, duplicate reports just for you, and instead pointed you to the public records. I think your repeated and somewhat aggressive requests in that regard have been unreasonable, and her refusal to give you special treatment was justified.

  40. George Whitfield

    After reading all the above comments I have decided to send another contribution to Adrian Wylie for his campaign and to the Libertarian Party of Florida.

  41. Steve M

    I am with Knapp on this. The idea that the executive committee would pick (vet) who the party candidates for office are going to be rather then leaving that up to libertarian voters through a primary or through a series of conventions, violates the trust of libertarian in their organization to provide a level playing field for all candidates.

    All state parties… all county parties… and the national committee should provide a level and fair playing field and trust the broader libertarian members to pick whom we want.

    If you are a party officer and you can not remain neutral then resign your leadership position. Then by all means go and campaign for your candidate.

    After the primary or convention then you are free to campaign for the party nominees.

    But NOT BEFORE!

  42. Matt Schnackenberg

    Steve, you are missing one key point. The LPF has a process where we vet candidates and display the candidates that have vetted as proof of individuals that stand by our platform. It is a way to display that we have candidates that stand with principle. Those that are not vetted are unknowns to the party, or, based off the bylaws, at least excluded from being featured as a vetted candidate on the LPF site because they havent followed the process. We have reached out to unvetted candidates trying to get them all to go through the process.

    This is an issue of following the bylaws we have in place. It is not a matter of favoritism or anything of that sort.

  43. Steve M

    Nonsense When you have a committee doing the vetting you are picking the candidates and that is the job of the party members not the part apparatus. It reeks of favoritism and cronyism old boy corrupt Chicago style politics.

    Is that what the LP of Florida stands for?

  44. Steve M

    Of course the attacks are baseless, and in reality, it is the duty of the LPF to support all vetted candidates including those competing against non-vetted candidates.

    Translation the Florida Executive Committee choices who is vetted and then can use the resources of the party and require the party officials to back the selected candidates.

  45. Tom Rhodes

    Steve,

    Show any evidence of any candidate who bothers to be vetted (answer a simple questionnaire on the platform) who hasn’t been approved?

    The standard is simple, support at least 80% of the LPF’s published platform and your approved, no favorites etc.

    The submissions are available just ask the committee, Unless you can show where the EC or anybody has not vetted a candidate who agrees with the platform and submitted the questionnaire I publicly call you a liar.

    Simple show any favoritism in the vetting process or shut up. Refusing to participate in a simple viable and useful process is not proof that the process is corrupt.

  46. Mark Axinn

    I don’t know anything about local Florida LP issues and will not comment on them, but I do know a lot about my friend Vicki Kirkland.

    For the 20-plus years of our association, mostly through LPNY of which she is a life-member, I have seen Vicki work tirelessly for liberty and the Libertarian Party.

    To remove her from LNC would be one of the most foolish, short-sighted things any affiliate could do. We all need Vicki’s voice on the LNC.

    She and I have not always agreed over the last 20 years. (How many people have?!) And of course she has supported one candidate over another in various contested races over the years; we all have. She was the first person to tell me what a fine person Mark Hinkle was back when I naively thought the 2008 LP Chair race was only between Wayne Root and Ernie Hancock.

    As an aside, I have watched with admiration the fine job that Adrian has done so far in his Governor’s campaign. Keep it up!

  47. George Phillies

    It seems to me that ‘vetting’ could be used in several different ways. For example, the committee could work through candidates and sort between ‘sounds stands’, ‘not vaguely Libertarian; should not be supported’ (the names Barr and Root come to mind) and ‘not yet vetted’, with support being banned or deprecated only for category (b). On the other hand, it could be used in the machine politics sense.

    @52 Did you mean the 2010 chair race?

  48. Steve M

    Well while you are calling me a liar Mr Rhodes.

    Please show me where in the Libertarian Party of Florida Bylaws or Standing Rules.

    1) that the Executive committee or any one else has the authority to Vet candidates by any means?

    The best I can find in the Standing Rules is

    “ARTICLE IV Election of Officers, Directors, Candidates

    Section 1. All candidates for office and political office may be asked to confirm certain basic principles before the convention This may be delegated to the Nominating Committee for candidates for party office (including Delegates to the National Convention of the Libertarian Party and Presidential Electors) and to the Electoral Victory Committee for Candidates for political office, and includes confirming that they are members of the State Party and registered to vote in the state as Libertarians. (Passed by the Executive Committee 1-16-93, delineating 2 committees, Executive Committee, 7-10-93, amended by the Executive Committee 3-6-96 and 7-27-96)”

    But when you look at the committees that LP Florida has no Nominating Committee exists so in violation of the Standing Rules you are using a Selection Committee?

    “Mission:
    To bring Potential Libertarian Candidates to the EC
    Goals:
    Vet prospective Libertarian Candidates”

    So are all candidates for all offices being vetted this election cycle? When was the vetting method created and where is it published?

    2) The original article states “LPF Standing Rules ARTICLE III, Section 6. which states: No county affiliate shall endorse a candidate for statewide office who has opposition by a candidate endorsed or nominated by the LPF.”

    where as the published standing rules show ARTICLE III, Section 6. to be “Section 6. The county affiliate may petition the LPF or its officers or committees on any political matter.”

  49. Steve M

    The way I read this rule

    Section 1. All candidates for office and political office may be asked to confirm certain basic principles before the convention This may be delegated to the Nominating Committee for candidates for party office (including Delegates to the National Convention of the Libertarian Party and Presidential Electors) and to the Electoral Victory Committee for Candidates for political office, and includes confirming that they are members of the State Party and registered to vote in the state as Libertarians. (Passed by the Executive Committee 1-16-93, delineating 2 committees, Executive Committee, 7-10-93, amended by the Executive Committee 3-6-96 and 7-27-96)”

    And the LP of Florida is limited to confirming that Candidates for Political Office are members of the State Party and registered to vote as Libertarians.

    There is no requirement, nor any authority to ask about if a candidate agrees with any platform.

  50. Dana Cummings

    For the record I am not trying to remove Vicki Kirkland from the LNC. Yes, I did make a statement (in response to concerns from our membership and some conflicting information presented to me from National) that If our LNC Rep was to be found derelict in her duties I would seek for a replacement. So unless Vicki decides to be derelict in her duties this entire thread is a bogus waste of time.

    Oh and Steve….Would you please explain to me what you are talking about when you say “Earth to Dana Cummings – LIBERTARIANS do NOT trust authority! Get used to it, or get the hell out of the LP!”

  51. wolfefan

    Hi Dana Cummings –

    Unrelated to the topic – just an FYI – clicking on your name goes to a site that suggests other sites for free music downloads and the treatment of acid reflux. Is this the right link?

  52. Mark Axinn

    Adrian @41.

    Your campaign is doing a fantastic job promoting libertarianism and the LPF.

    I understand there will be a primary.

    When is it? Keep up the superlative work!

  53. From Der Sidelines

    Y’know, I think we ran out of clothesline to air this dirty laundry…

    Do us all a favor and take offline, like into an Everglades swamp, for example, and resolve it there with alligators at twenty paces.

    🙄

  54. Adrian Wyllie

    Thanks Mark. Our staff and team members are doing an amazing job. We’re so fortunate to have so many people working hard in this 100% volunteer effort. At last count, we were around 600 volunteers statewide, and we already have close to 15,000 petitions signed.

    I’m doing my level best to be a solid spokesman for the party, and to present true Libertarian solutions to a large audience.

    The primary election will be in August 2014, and the general election in November 2014.

  55. LibertarianGirl

    Just read this , not any comments yet…..first thought, what an embarrassingly unprofessional letter.Its laughable , out of line and approaching pathetic. Good God , I predict Dana and Joe Silvestri marry by years end…………

  56. LibertarianGirl

    having said that , as far as the candidates go , looks like they’re all awesome , all libertarians and whats the problem with ALL of them being supported by National. When will state excoms quit using their positions as power tools for they’re little personality cults?

  57. LibertarianGirl

    ima be here awhile , i got thru the 1st comment only before having to post myself, lol. WTF????????? what kind of chair doesnt carry about shmoozing donors. for fucks sake , does the LPF have an ED , I hope so.

  58. John Wayne Smith

    This is what one gets when they put uneducated children on the national stage.
    None of the officers of the Libertarian Party are “Libertarian”
    Mr. Wyllie will not even put the word “Libertarian in his advertising, which is againist Florida Law.
    Who cares about the law “I am GOD, you do as I say”

  59. John Wayne Smith

    This is what one gets when they put uneducated children on the national stage.
    None of the officers of the Libertarian Party of Florida are “Libertarian”
    Mr. Wyllie will not even put the word “Libertarian” in his advertising, which is against Florida law.
    “Who cares about the Law, I am GOD, just do as I say”

  60. John Wayne Smith

    Ms. Pyeatt, Thank you and I will do that. I do not intend to start campaigning until after the first of next year. And for the most part I refrain from dissuading my opponent from destroying himself. So, for the most part you will be hearing little from me.

    Mr. Redlich, I have never seen much to make me believe that you honor Jehovah but I was engaging in a little sarcasm and was pretending to be Mr. Wyllie.

  61. Antirevolutionary

    Chris, I thought you were Catholic? Are you not pro-life anymore either? Sorry for being off-topic; couldn’t resist. Back on topic, it does seem that Adrian is the more functional candidate, as CLC would say, but there is no harm in having a competitive primary.

  62. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    @77

    Yes, I was baptized Catholic, but I’m not too interested in religion – honestly I haven’t been for a while now. Spirituality, yes, but organized religion, meh. I don’t need force and coercion to know the difference between right and wrong.

    I’m always going to be pro-life. I will never change my position on this issue.

  63. Robert Capozzi

    78 kl: I will never change my position on this issue.

    me: How do you know this? There was a time where I’d say I’d say I would never change my position that there IS a “cult of the omnipotent state,” but I no longer do.

    Consider keeping an open mind….

  64. Marc Montoni

    Gee, this all sounds so familiar. Right down to the royal “we” a couple of individuals keep invoking, along with the wildly inflated claims of support.

    Yep, very familiar. And the end will be just as familiar: These people will eventually wear themselves out with their combativeness. The funny thing is if they would simply straighten up and fly right, they could survive long-term.

    Instead, they keep trying to tighten their grip.

    Eventually they will simply turn themselves into a cartoon.

    Sigh. There’s so much to do. And so little time to do it. Yet they’d prefer to throw sand in the sand box.

    Instead of purges and “vetting”, why not sign up a new member?

  65. Mike

    I see alot of people bashing Adrian Wyllie, but I’ve been following him and Robert Sarvis and they are out there promoting the LP to new people. You people need to quit bitching and start recruiting.

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/357838

    http://www.thedestinlog.com/news/take-back-our-freedoms-libertarian-gubernatorial-candidate-stops-by-while-on-the-campaign-trail-1.198834

    http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/222337181.html

    http://www.newsherald.com/news/government/gubernatorial-candidate-visits-pcb-to-support-ousted-sheriff-1.192567

    http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/libertarian-candidate-adrian-wyllie-talks-florida-governor-race-sees-a-shifts-towards-libertarian-philosophies-11787/

    http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/09/daybreak-daily-robert-sarvis-is-virginia-s-other-gubernatorial-option-93513.html

    http://www.uncoveredpolitics.com/2013/08/30/surging-sarvis-scoring-double-digits-in-virginia/

    http://www.roanoke.com/news/politics/2191218-12/libertarian-robert-sarvis-sees-himself-as-viable-alternative.html

    http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Libertarian-Sarvis-Gaining-Traction-in-Governors-Race-221857971.html

  66. Steve M

    Don’t put me in any list bashing Adrian…. My complaint is with the party officials who appear to be trying to prevent a competitive selection process by pre-picking the candidate and threatening other party officials who might not agree.

  67. Marc Montoni

    I see alot of people bashing Adrian Wyllie, but I’ve been following him and Robert Sarvis and they are out there promoting the LP to new people. You people need to quit bitching and start recruiting.

    No one is “bashing” Wyllie, and if you don’t get that, then re-read the thread. As much as I tend to disagree with Steve M, he’s spot on with this:

    Don’t put me in any list bashing Adrian…. My complaint is with the party officials who appear to be trying to prevent a competitive selection process by pre-picking the candidate and threatening other party officials who might not agree.

    Any group of people who take differences on policy as ad hominem insults upon themselves probably have some variety of narcissistic personality disorder.

    Pick out even ONE quote in any of the discussion above that personally attacks or “bashes” Wyllie. You might be able to find one or two, written in anger since their concerns are being so rudely dismissed.

    On the other hand, here are the Wyllie/Cummings Greatest Hits, and they’re all directed at the person they reference:

    “Of course Vicki Kirkland, characteristically began very defensively and poorly …”

    “I will deem her derelict …”

    “I am also aware of the damages she has caused …”

    “LPF Chair also says that Mike Kane is derelict in his duties …”

    “Yet luckily, I’m pretty convinced that if Mike Kane will be a one term LPF Regional Representative due to his continuos actions which only embarrass himself and his friends. I’ve never seen such a sore loser in all my life….so i guess congratulations Mike Kane you win and being the biggest sore loser.”

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  68. Marc Montoni

    By the way, Steve Labianca, you said:

    I have been involved with three (four, if you count my honorary “membership” with the LP of Pennsylvania in the 1990 s) state parties affiliated with the LP, been an alternate Regional Rep on the LNC and been involved in the national LP in other ways as well for many years. So . . . I have NEVER seen such secrecy, nastiness, and the multitude of witch hunts as has come out of this group of clowns that run the LPF.

    On this, I’d have to disagree with you. You seem to forget that while you were still in VA, the same sort of things were going on. State party leaders were calling for purges of people in the “out” faction, they regarded any disagreement with themselves as a personal attack, they used the royal “we” phrase a lot, they always claimed things like “every time you criticize me, I get an outpouring of support” (as if one or two messages saying “attaboy!” from one of their faction-mates is an “outpouring”), they claimed they were ending the status of the LP as a “debate club”, they held a bunch of secret meetings and made anyone who wanted to listen in promise not to reveal the discussion, they were highly secretive with Party financial records, and they falsified a mountain of data to make several former activists look bad.

    Meanwhile, they alienated almost all of our state pledgers, taking the roster from $600 per month down to less than $30 per month in the space of less than a year; they lost a $2500 computer, presided over a decline in membership from about 950 to 600; and other incompetence.

    So…

    Same old, same old.

  69. Marc Montoni

    Wyllie said:

    LPF membership has grown by 1200% in the last year.

    Obviously that’s all just state membership. Which is unverifiable because the books aren’t open.

    Got it…

    According to the national LP membership report, in August 2012, LPF membership stood at 728. As of the August 2013 report, that number had gone up by 12, to 740 — or a 1.64% increase.

    In any case, I’d like to congratulate the LPF on its growth rate.

  70. John Wayne Smith

    Mr. Montoni, I beg to differ with your last statement. Although I do not have access to all of the membership reports at this time I do have some that tell a different story.
    When Mr. Wyllie was elected Chair of the Libertarian party of Florida in May 2011, the National office reported 761 BSM members and 822 “active” members. (April 2011 Report)
    In Septeember 2011 the numbers had slightly risen to 767 BSM and 831 “active”
    By Febuary 2012 it had again risen a few numbers to 776 BSM but had dropped to 823 ‘active”
    By Feb 2013 the BSM had dropped to 761 BSM and had increased to 838 “active”
    In July 2013 the number was had dropped to 758 BSM and 824 “active.”
    The August 2013 numbers were reportrd correctly at 740 BSM AND 803 “ACTIVE” .

    As for the state numbers are concerned “I have a few bridges in New York City I will sell you, and at least one in Washington State.”

  71. paulie

    MM, JWS last two comments: The “1200%” refers to pledge signers. This is a different criterion than dues paying national membership, which is the stats you are discussing. Yet another criterion is registered Libertarian voters, which some people here have claimed is the one and only true definition of membership.

    CLC: “Mr. Smith, you are not God. Please do not dishonor His name.”

    Depends on the religion. Some religions believe we are all God.

    LG: “Dana , you have appallingly bad grammar, you’re really the Chair?”

    ROFL. You know I love you Deb, but…glass houses, stones, etc 🙂

    Wolfefan: “Hi Dana Cummings –

    Unrelated to the topic – just an FYI – clicking on your name goes to a site that suggests other sites for free music downloads and the treatment of acid reflux. Is this the right link?”

    She must have meant lpf.org, the website of the Florida LP, not lpr.org. The R is right above the F on the keyboard, so it appears to have been a typo.

    DMC: “Oh and Steve….Would you please explain to me what you are talking about when you say “Earth to Dana Cummings – LIBERTARIANS do NOT trust authority! Get used to it, or get the hell out of the LP!””

    He meant that he believes that providing what he thinks is inadequate financial documentation is asking LP members to trust your authority.

    DB: “Isn’t it great that we have Steve M to tell other states how to run them?”

    His other hobby is to run down this website, where he spends a lot of time, and the volunteers who do the most work here, instead of doing anything to make it better or providing a better alternative himself.

    GP: “It seems to me that ‘vetting’ could be used in several different ways. For example, the committee could work through candidates and sort between ‘sounds stands’, ‘not vaguely Libertarian; should not be supported’ (the names Barr and Root come to mind) and ‘not yet vetted’, with support being banned or deprecated only for category (b). On the other hand, it could be used in the machine politics sense.”

    Its seems they are treating not yet vetted the same as already vetted and rejected. Might be nice if they distinguished the two better.

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