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It’s also become an IPR tradition to post videos in the open threads. A perennial favorite is Juice Rap News. Here’s their latest:
I agree it should be taken in context.
Andy -> “It irks me for a couple of reasons.
1) It shows a flaw in the thinking/philosophy of the candidate.”
A whole flaw? Compared to the bushel barrel of flaws the other choices are guaranteed to have? I fail to be all that alarmed.
Sean Haugh gets GOOD earned media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UftikGq9ZvQ&feature=youtu.be&t=3m00s
from this (see the whole thing):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr0G233lO4s
Well played!
PEACE
You might at a minimum scroll up. I already posted that earlier in the thread.
Pop Quiz: Can You Name One U.S. Senator?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKaYnHlpD9M
Carey Wedler: Why I’m burning my last bridge with Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIMnIh10po0
“Jill Pyeatt March 26, 2014 at 12:37 pm
I just didn’t care for the video, Andy, but infighting is a huge issue in California and I’m weary of it.”
It’s a big issue for the entire Libertarian Party and movement.
Thanks, I’ll pass that along.
Some interesting news coming out of Colorado:
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/colorado-approves-retroactive-reversal-marijuana-convictions
Wednesday: March 26, 2pm: The NH House is debating FULL cannabis legalization, listen live (after today, there will be a listenable archive )!
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/houseliveaudio.asx
I just didn’t care for the video, Andy, but infighting is a huge issue in California and I’m weary of it.
By the way, I previously purchased the domain name “stoptop2.com” and had been intending to get a website up and running to stop the Montana “top 2” referendum. Now that the Montana Supreme court has struck down the top 2 referendum in Montana, I won’t be using it (at least for now). It seems, however, that the “top 2” idea is a tactic that Republicans (or Democrats) are using in other states, and will keep using in other states to eliminate the Libertarian Party. (They will probably keep bringing it up in Montana as well, but the next legislative session isn’t until 2015 so we have at least a year or two before the domain name will be necessary or useful in Montana.) I would be willing to lend, give, share or sell the “stoptop2.com” domain name to anyone who can make good use of it.
Contact me at rogerroots-at-msn-dot-com.
except cutting the military
You got that one right, Dave.
Bravo, Roger! Wonderful News!
“Jill Pyeatt March 26, 2014 at 10:51 am
The thing about Julie’s video is that she seems to be rooting for Republicans. The people who keep talking about infighting, and accusing others of using a ‘purity’ test are the Republicans who insist on coming into our party and telling us that we’re the same.”
How in the heck is she “rooting” for Republicans in that video? All she is doing is showing different kinds of people in the libertarian movement and poking fun at that them in a playful way, and then at the end she says that libertarians should not worry about infighting and just focus on whatever they think is the best way to advance the cause of liberty. I thought it was a good video.
Here’s an article that caught my attention this morning:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/24/walmart-admits-its-reliance-on-food-stamps-in-govt-filing-for-first-time/
And, congratulations to Montana!
The thing about Julie’s video is that she seems to be rooting for Republicans. The people who keep talking about infighting, and accusing others of using a “purity” test are the Republicans who insist on coming into our party and telling us that we’re the same. No, we’re not the same. Republicans are not Libertarians, even if we share beliefs in a few (actually very few) areas. I will continue to point that out, and if that makes me guilty of “infighting”,. oh well.
Major victory today! Montana’s Republican Party was seeking to eliminate the Libertarian Party by getting voters to pass their “top 2” referendum. If it had passed, the two government-supremacist parties would have Montana elections totally under their control. Only 2 candidates would ever advance to the general election. Thankfully the State Supreme Court struck it down. Drinks are on me! http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/court-blocks-top-two-primary-referendum-from-appearing-on-ballot/article_6111a737-6f39-57b3-a99c-2051bbfc32fe.html
I thought that this video would actually make good article post here, but since nobody has posted it as an article here yet, I’m posting it here in the Open Thread.
Julie Borowski: LIBERTARIAN INFIGHTING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXPOLpVUjo4
Watch Adam Kokesh debate some conservative at CPAC 2014. This is a must see.
Adam Kokesh: The Logic of Marijuana Prohibition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QASvThi_VCA
Good news from Montana on the Top Two front. Republicans pushed SB 408 into the general election 2014 ballot. Today in a ruling by the Montana Supreme Court ruled that LR 127 broke the 100 word limit for ballot titles and that it would be confusing to voters. LR 127 was around 73 pages long and not only changed the primary system in Montana, but changes other sections of Montana code as well. Here is one article: http://helenair.com/news/local/court-blocks-top-two-primary-referendum-from-appearing-on-ballot/article_99d31060-b46f-11e3-830d-0019bb2963f4.html
This was just another example nationwide on ways the Republican party was working to eliminate the competition and the free market of political idea’s in the general election. As this came out on the 25th, no word yet on what the State will do in response.
Libertarian Party Opinion Poll:
“What is the biggest benefit of a broad-based tax cut that forces substantial reductions in government spending?”
Top Two Responses:
It’s impossible to choose just one of the above. All are huge benefits of cutting taxes.
40% (184 votes)
All of the above are huge benefits, except for cutting the military.
24% (110 votes)
It certainly looks as though the L.P. has a huge job ahead of educating “semi-libertarians”, “pseudo-libertarians” and “knee-jerk patriots”.
“War is the health of the state” – Randolph Bourne
Independent Lt. Governor Candidate Alan Reynolds will hold a teleconference this Thursday (March 27th) at 6:30 Pacific Time. This call will be hosted on the Reform Party teleconference line.
712-432-3066 – Phone Number
296915 – Access Code
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-americas-police-are-becoming-so-militarized-2014-3
I have started a third party petition to help level the playing field. Please have a look. http://www.thirdpartymovement.com
The Philosophy of Liberty: Plunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJIMqwJI2uI
http://thisiscommonsense.com/2014/03/21/remembering-a-pioneer/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zDIczjJRSic
That would be nice but I don’t see it happening.
I’d love to see Marc Stevens get the opportunity confront Congress with this line of questioning and have it air on national television.
Marc Stevens Confronting Scottsdale City Council – Where’s the Evidence Your Laws Apply?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4XDTyeHqA
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585399/Fred-Phelps-son-Nate-speaks-just-hours-Westboro-leader-dies-reveals-truth-fathers-excommunication-hate-group-Phelps-destined-fail.html
“Jill Pyeatt March 20, 2014 at 5:42 pm
That isn’t to say that Phelps did not have the right to express himself, however. This is not to be confused with the fact that there will be consequences for that free expression, good or bad.”
Phelps certainly had a right to speak and to express himself, but people also have a right to say that he was a jackass.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Domestic_abuse
One can call out Phelps for violating Graham’s Hierarchy of Disagreement, but it’s dishonest to class him with mass-murderers, as many have done.
Outside defamation, lies, or personal threats of violence, speech does not harm anyone. One’s personal perception of speech (as in Snyder’s case) can cause one to emotionally harm oneself.
I will continue to disagree with you, William, that he harmed people. Who cares what the Supreme Court said?
Oh my, it’s the whole stupid Duck Dynasty thing again. Freedom of speech is one thing, but pretending there are not results for that free speech is obtuse. Really. I’m not going to continue this because I know you’re smart enough to underrstand what I’m saying, William, even though you disagree with it.
That isn’t to say that Phelps did not have the right to express himself, however. This is not to be confused with the fact that there will be consequences for that free expression, good or bad.
The families were not harmed. The Supreme Court found they had no cause of action for a tort.
William said: “Phelps’ expression did not harm anyone.”
I very much disagree with that statement. The people who felt it necessary to go to court over the protests would most likely say they were harmed because they weren’t able to bury their dead without inappropriate, nasty interlopers disrupting their service.
It’s credited to staff at lp.org
There’s no justification to celebrate his death. Phelps’ expression did not harm anyone.
As far as Fred Phelps passing, I don’t celebrate the death of anyone, but I’m glad that I believe in a just and forgiving God. I’m happy to let Him judge Mr. Phelps for his works while here on earth.
Paulie, do you know who wrote the article that was posted at the LP blog? I’d like to post this as an article, but I should credit the author.
I never met Tonie Nathan, nor do I know much about her beyond that she was the LP’s Vice Presidential candidate in 1972, and that she was the first woman to receive an Electoral College vote, but it is always sad to hear about a freedom fighter passing away.
Oh, I’m sorry to hear it. I hope someone has time to write up a nice article about her.
http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/libertarian-tonie-nathan-first-woman-in-us-history-to-receive-an-electoral-vote-dies-at
Check out my latest Free Speech editorial:
http://saturnsrepository.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/free-speech-advocate-dies/
Check this out, an ATF agent said that a recent raid they conducted on a gun store described raiding the store as “fun”. So this A-HOLE thinks that it is “fun” to violate individual rights which are specifically enumerated in the Constitution. Wow. The agent who said this as well as everyone else who participated in this raid ought to be immediately fired and brought up on criminal charges. I’m so disgusted by this that it is hard for me to put my level of disgust into words right now. Wake up America, we are in serious trouble.
http://www.infowars.com/atf-agent-raiding-gun-store-was-fun/
Green Party video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRlRhQ-L5_M&list=UUJAvfgs4nK3Viu5HXZxv_bw
ReThink911 Canada Tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrnUKVCTRGw
http://libertycrier.com/the-next-seven-states-to-legalize-pot-or-rolling-stone-magazine-advocates-for-nullification/
http://libertycrier.com/defeating-ndaa-tyranny-pandas-dan-johnson/
True!
Yes, that was me forwarding it from LPNOVA to several other lists. I still don’t know who with or how to verify it though.
I saw it on the Grassroots mailing list. I have no way of verifying it, unfortunately.
Any discussion of Tonie (I always saw it as Toni) Nathan should include appropriate homage to Roger MacBride. Not only did he cast the first electoral vote for a woman and a Jew rather than supporting the Republican ticket in 1972, he was the adopted grandson of Rose Wilder Lane whose mother wrote the Little House novels. She was a terrific mentor for MacBride, opposing the New Deal, income taxes, social security and communism.
Not sure who with or how to verify. You probably saw me forward it, unless you are on the Northern VA meetup.
I think this is important enough that it should be an article, but I won’t do that unless I can verify.
True. I hope she pulls through and lives longer. If that is not possible, I hope she dies without great suffering and that her records are well preserved. It is sad to lose a living part of history.
Wikipedia says that she was born in 1923, then later in the same article says 1929, but the reference goes to an article that says she was 72 in 2000.
Regardless of when she was born or when she dies, her accomplishment in laying the groundwork for everything the LP has done for over 40 years since then is much appreciated.
I found this sad news on an email list. I have not verified that it is true, but I’ll post it here due to its urgency. In anyone is able to verify whether it it true or not, I’ll update.
I never met Ms. Nathan, but she is a legend, and it will be a true loss if we lose her.
Update on tronie Nathan, from Paul Blumstein:
.” Tonie is now in hospice care in Eugene, Oregon.
>
> We don’t know the full prognosis, but it sounds like we may lose her
> within weeks.
>
> We will miss her terribly and the battle for liberty will miss one of its
> greatest fighters.
>
> —–
> In case the name isn’t familiar, note this snippet from Wikipedia…..
>
> At the first presidential nominating convention of the Libertarian Party
> in 1972, Nathan was nominated by the convention delegates to run for vice
> president with presidential candidate John Hospers, chairman of the
> philosophy department at the University of Southern California. While the
> ticket received only 3,674 official votes out of more than 75 million votes
> cast, Republican elector Roger MacBride of Virginia chose to vote for
> Hospers and Nathan instead of Nixon and Agnew”
So apparently there are several states with binding LP primaries. We now know of at least three and there may be others.
In Massachusetts, when we have a primary, which occurs for every single office whenever we have major party status, the primary is binding. Also, write-in votes are valid, including write-in votes for members of other parties. A traditional way to knock people off the ballot is to run a sticker campaign in your opponent’s primary. Only members of the party and independents (“Unenrolled Voters”) can vote in your primary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJcf0qZdPW0
Right now the Reform Party is looking for independents to endorse. The party doesn’t endorse members of other parties, but if an independent or write in has a compatible platform with the RPUSA, the party may endorse them.
Patrick Bateman: Do you like Huey Lewis and The News?
Paul Allen: They’re OK.
Patrick Bateman: Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in ’83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He’s been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
Paul Allen: Hey Halberstram.
Patrick Bateman: Yes, Allen?
Paul Allen: Why are there copies of the style section all over the place, d-do you have a dog? A little chow or something?
Patrick Bateman: No, Allen.
Paul Allen: Is that a rain coat?
Patrick Bateman: Yes it is! In ’87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is “Hip to be Square”, a song so catchy, most people probably don’t listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it’s not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it’s also a personal statement about the band itself.
[raises axe above head]
Patrick Bateman: Hey Paul!
[he bashes Allen in the head with the axe, and blood splatters over him]
Patrick Bateman: TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DORSIA NOW, YOU FUCKING STUPID BASTARD! YOU, FUCKING BASTARD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk15H6PjBis
Patrick Bateman: Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins’ presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don’t you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I’ve heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins’ solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don’t just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPudE8nDog0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIs5StN8J-0
Florida too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIMnIh10po0
I don’t have the minutes from the convention, but here is the list of filed candidates for the Missouri LP.
US District 1
Robb E Cunningham P.O. BOX 150289
ST. LOUIS MO 63115
US District 2
Bill Slantz 1620 CONGRESS WAY
ST CHARLES MO 63303
US District 4
Randall (Randy) Langkraehr PO BOX 1099
WARRENSBURG MO 64093
Herschel L. Young 17100 E STATE ROUTE 2
HARRISONVILLE MO 64701
US District 6
Russ Monchil 8940 SW DUROC DR
CAMERON MO 64429
State Representative District 33
Matthew (Matt) Stephens 1101 N INDEPENDENCE ST
HARRISONVILLE MO 64701
State Representative District 83
Andrew Bolin 2001 S HANLEY STE 180
ST. LOUIS MO 63144
State Representative District 147
Greg Tlapek 1569 N CAPE ROCK DR
CAPE GIRARDEAU MO 63701
Greg is the state LP Executive Director
“I know that in every state that I’ve seen where the Libertarian Party has a primary, the primary vote has always been non-binding, in that it has always been viewed more along the lines of a ‘beauty contest’ and the real nomination takes places at the LP conventions. ”
That’s not the case in Missouri. As an established party, if more than one candidate files for the office, there is a primary, and the winner is by law the party’s nominee.
Nader makes some good points in a case of “do as I say, not as I did.”
Must be good for ratings.
I don’t see Napolitano running when Rand Paul will be running as well. As for Ventura, he has conditions for running which are literally impossible.
Notice in the open credits to Jesse Ventura’s new show, the word President pops up with a question mark in front of it.
Actually, Andrew Napolitano for President and Jesse Ventura for Vice President is a ticket I’d really like to see in 2016.
Judge Andrew Napolitano Goes Off The Grid | Jesse Ventura Off The Grid – Ora TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UgxJzxJnE
I wonder if this video explains any of the trolls who have posted at IPR.
CIA Media Infiltration & Operation Mockingbird | Brainwash Update
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQl9H-gi9NE
I have to agree with Ralph Nader on this; Bernie Sanders could do more to build a nationawide progressive political party instead be the maverick, solo warrior Sanders prefers to be. It’s sort of ironic though. Many on the US Left criticized Nader fornot working to build the Green Party, or then after they went Democrat in 2004, build a nationwide progressive political party. But I do think Nader is right that if Sanders built a party, or the nucleus of one in a network of supporters Sander could get more of his agenda moved forward. Even if Senator Sanders stays on an independent course I will still campaign and vote for him.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/ralph-nader-bernie-sanders-letter-104376.html
What’s the latest on that Oregon LP Convention? Did I miss the online registration deadline?
🙂
Paulie
That is a large part of why we went to all-by-mail primaries … increase engagement, activism and candidacies.
Treat everyone like they are a member and they get more engaged — and it has been working.
LP registrations do seem to be growing all over the place. If we can turn them into donors and activists we will be in good shape.
I just pulled the list for sending our election announcement to every active registered Libertarian voter in Oregon – we have 16,003 … we have passed 16k and growing!
Huzzah!
Thanks for the drama 🙂
Most Important Libertarian news event of the decade:
For an extended summary
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/11/1284003/-NYT-Breaking-Snowden-Docs-Raw-Take-Rampant-Sharing-of-Domestic-Unminimized-Wiretap-Content
The following is
” NSA, DEA, IRS Lie About Fact That Americans Are Routinely Spied On By Our Government: Time For A Special Prosecutor
By Jennifer Stisa Granick and Christopher Jon Sprigman
Forbes Magazine
8/14/2013 @ 2:45PM
It seems that every day brings a new revelation about the scope of the NSA’s heretofore secret warrantless mass surveillance programs. And as we learn more, the picture becomes increasingly alarming. Last week we discovered that the NSA shares information with a division of the Drug Enforcement Administration called the Special Operations Division (SOD). The DEA uses the information in drug investigations. But it also gives NSA data out to other agencies – in particular, the Internal Revenue Service, which, as you might imagine, is always looking for information on tax cheats.
The Obama Administration repeatedly has assured us that the NSA does not collect the private information of ordinary Americans. Those statements simply are not true. We now know that the agency regularly intercepts and inspects Americans’ phone calls, emails, and other communications, and it shares this information with other federal agencies that use it to investigate drug trafficking and tax evasion. Worse, DEA and IRS agents are told to lie to judges and defense attorneys about their use of NSA data, and about the very existence of the SOD, and to make up stories about how these investigations started so that no one will know information is coming from the NSA’s top secret surveillance programs.
“How does a foreign intelligence agency which supposedly is looking for terrorists and only targets non-U.S. persons get ahold of information useful in IRS investigations of American tax cheats?” To answer that question, let’s review this week’s revelations…
“
Marc Stevens Confronting Scottsdale City Council – Where’s the Evidence Your Laws Apply?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4XDTyeHqA
All apologies Wes Wagner. God bless.
CLC
No relation – additionally my last name is Wagner.
On the upside the whole Oregon matter is very well documented here on IPR thanks to the editors here 🙂
Any relation?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OyYCClHDrmU
In the Florida Special Election, Overby apparently took more than 5%. Fantastic news!
God bless you Wes Wagoner. I researched the Oregon matter and you appear to be in the right.
Forgot about that. I would be curious to know as well.
Did the Reeves group ever have their convention?
I’m still amazed at what the other prize thinks they’ll be winning. Somehow, they think all of Oregon LP will welcome their new leadership with open arms.
They promise to hold an election and vote in new leadership chosen by the people. I do not think that Reeves, Burke, et al, will be voted in. The same leadership that’s in place now will be voted in. All the years of fighting, and a quarter of a million in legal fees–for a prize which will not be there.
paulie
They are suffering extreme battle fatigue while our successes continue to cause us to grow. We will be on the offensive soon as soon as this appeal process is over and we file our claims for wrongful initiation of civil proceedings against them and all other responsible parties.
I see no reason to believe your opponents will cede Oregon any time soon. They will keep filing more appeals and new lasuits until all courts at all levels stop taking them. Then they will think of some other tactic.
It’s been going on for over 20 years and is probably only in its beginning stages, the way things are going.
If you are talking about the conflict as it relates only to Oregon, I would suggest that you are wrong – the “other side” has not grown at all during the conflict, has suffered terrible attrition, and their only real leadership is a single man who is much closer to the end of his life than the beginning.
If you are talking about how the conflict that has already been settled here has yet to play out on the national stage, then you are correct.
It’s been going on for over 20 years and is probably only in its beginning stages, the way things are going.
“Concerned Libertarian Citizen March 10, 2014 at 8:53 pm
God bless you Andy. You’ve been right about alot of things, especially about Lee Wrights and Tom Stevens. Who is this Wes Wagoner character? Is he the government agent?”
I don’t know much about Wes Wagoner. He sounds OK to me from what I’ve read online, but again, I don’t know him, and I don’t know enough about him to really comment. It does sound like the side he is on in the Oregon faction fight is probably in the right.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0YtUsvd_KxU
“paulie Post authorMarch 10, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Too many other examples of this sort of thing to count.”
“Jill Pyeatt March 10, 2014 at 5:49 pm
I agree with Andy. These days, I assume that any cop I meet is a bad one. That’s the professional image for many of us, I’m sorry to say.”
I know that I keep harping on about police abuse/corruption, and I keep bringing up Jim Gray’s comments about how Libertarians should thank, respect, and admire the police, but that’s only because I’m just astounded that somebody could think that the police are so wonderful and still make it all the way to being nominated as the Libertarian Party’s candidate for Vice President. When it comes to police abuse & corruption, Jim Gray sounds either really out of touch, or like a person who likes big government. Even if one is an older, upper class person who doesn’t do much of anything that would put them in contact with the police, it does not take much research to figure out that there is a huge problem with the police in this country. So I think that it sounds pretty lame to have a Libertarian Party candidate that appears to be oblivious to this, and who thinks that we should all kiss the asses of the police. Acting like the police are so wonderful is not something that is going to win Libertarians Brownie Points with a lot of demographics that are most open to hearing the Libertarian message. I can tell you as a person who spends lots of time conversing with the general public, lots of people from all walks of life and backgrounds hate the police, and for good reasons. The people who love the police are generally those who are not likely to vote Libertarian anyway, no matter what we do.
Then again, this is the same party that nominated Barr/Root in 2008, so maybe I should not be surprised.
God bless you Andy. You’ve been right about alot of things, especially about Lee Wrights and Tom Stevens. Who is this Wes Wagoner character? Is he the government agent?
“Wes Wagner March 10, 2014 at 6:50 pm
Transcripts from the Clackamas County lawsuit. You can now read all the hearings with Oregon Republican Party general counsel Tyler Smith representing a group of plaintiffs attempting to take control of the LPO via the court:”
The Libertarian Party of Oregon internal dispute is still going on. Damn, I thought that it had been settled.
All of this BS is holding the party back, but this is probably what it is meant to do by whoever the disrupters are.
Transcripts from the Clackamas County lawsuit. You can now read all the hearings with Oregon Republican Party general counsel Tyler Smith representing a group of plaintiffs attempting to take control of the LPO via the court:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/211744828/ReevesCA155616-2012-04-09-V1
http://www.scribd.com/doc/211744824/ReevesCA155616-2012-06-14-V2
http://www.scribd.com/doc/211744819/ReevesCA155616-2012-10-22-V3
http://www.scribd.com/doc/211744812/ReevesCA155616-2013-05-16-V4
http://www.scribd.com/doc/211744800/ReevesCA155616-2013-08-01-V5-Sent-3-10-14-by-Katie-Bradford
I agree with Andy. These days, I assume that any cop I meet is a bad one. That’s the professional image for many of us, I’m sorry to say.
Much more bout rogue cops:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/170534479641175/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/restoretherighttoresist/
Dave Terry March 10, 2014 at 4:42 pm said: “Having said that; Andy stop being a kneejerk! That A-H is NOT typical of most law-enforcement officers.”
The average cop in this country has no qualms about violating our individual rights.
Andy; “Check this out, a cop in Connecticut said that he can not wait to get the order to kick down people’s doors so he can take their guns.”
On the other hand, I can hardly wait to blow the bowels out of the cop(s) that come to MY door to take MY guns
Having said that; Andy stop being a kneejerk! That A-H is NOT typical of most law-enforcement officers.
This is from a TED Conference (Technology, Entertainment, Design)
Christopher Soghoian: Government surveillance — this is just the beginning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrxDrpi1XNU
Too many other examples of this sort of thing to count.
Check this out, a cop in Connecticut said that he can not wait to get the order to kick down people’s doors so he can take their guns. This anti-American fascist pig ought to be immediately fired. I suppose that this is yet another example of the police being people that Libertarians ought to thank, respect, and admire, according to 2012 Libertarian Party Vice Presidential candidate Jim Gray.
http://www.infowars.com/conn-cop-i-will-kick-down-doors-to-confiscate-guns/
Didn’t find the link on the index page but I found it at http://libertyforamerica.com/201403.pdf
The March 2014 Liberty for America is up at http://libertyforamerica.com/lfamagazine.htm
Articles in the full edition include:
Editorials
We are Libertarians
For Liberty!
Three Unspeakable Words
Do You Need a Lot of Money to Run?
LNC Meets
LNC Issues DisasterGram
Floridians Object to Benedict Radio Interview
Good News
National Organization of Libertarian Women
State Parties
Where Your Money Went
Libertarian National Committee
Audit Committee Finishes 2012
Johnson August 2012 Spending
In the electronic edition
Geoff Neale and Brent Pojunis Discuss Strategy
Floridians Object to Benedict Radio Interview–Full Texts
I don’t like Haugh any more than you do, but I think he would do fine in representing LP positions as a candidate. He is not going to be a serious contender for the office, so his personal qualities and resume are a lot less important than his viewpoints and his ability to articulate them.
I’m one of those. I knew about it and voted for him. On balance he was good, which doesn’t mean perfect. I also voted for Wrights for VP, and I am well aware of all the issues Andy has with him.
I was honestly surprised that one held up. Sore loser laws have been ruled many times not to apply to presidential candidates. It would not have changed my vote.
I would be happy with a repeat, despite having all the same reservations.
That wasn’t exactly news. I covered it here long before then. It may have even been before the nomination, but I’m not sure about that.
I’ll leave that “open” to interpretation.
“It irks me for a could of reasons.”
Should read, “It irks me for a couple of reasons.”
You best keep an eyeon the Ohio House District # 19 race which is NE Columbus, Ohio. Very interesting the three participants in the race.
Thane Eichenauer March 7, 2014 at 12:15 am “Whether any given Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate supports or opposes fully informed juries doesn’t particularly irk me one way or the other.”
It irks me for a could of reasons.
1) It shows a flaw in the thinking/philosophy of the candidate.
2) I think that it is important for Libertarians to provide people with alternative methods of fighting for individual that go beyond, “Vote for me and I’ll make you more free.” Reality is that Libertarians rarely get elected to anything, and Libertarians have practically no chance at winning any high level office unless we can spend at least close to as much as what the Democrats and Republicans spend on those races, and even then, I would not be surprised at all if the Democrats and Republicans just rigged the election. So given that this is the reality in which we are living, we should use our campaigns to spread some outside of electoral politics solutions to people so they can more effectively fight for liberty even when we do not get elected.
Relative to Andy talking about whether Gary Johnson and James Gray should be candidates for the LP in the future. I believe that it is likely that both Gary Johnson and James Gray will pursue the 2016 LP nomination. For those who don’t desire their effort to be successful all that is needed is for more inspiring and hard working candidates to make themselves known and work to prevail in a future Libertarian Party nomination convention. I don’t currently support the Fair Tax (nor do I predict I ever will). I do support fully informed juries. I am willing to learn more about the Fair Tax even though I have heard Johnson and Gray pitch to audiences in Arizona. I am willing to learn more about Gray’s opposition to fully informed juries. Whether any given Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate supports or opposes fully informed juries doesn’t particularly irk me one way or the other. Once a person is informed about their power it isn’t likely that juror is going to be uneducated by Mr. Obama or Mr. Biden or the future person holding the office of President or Vice President.
More talk from Bernie Sanders about running for President in 2016.
http://www.ballot-access.org/2014/03/bernie-sanders-tells-the-nation-magazine-that-he-is-thinking-about-running-for-president/
“Jeremy C. Young March 6, 2014 at 8:57 pm
I don’t like Haugh, and I can see in ordinary circumstances doing anything possible to keep him off the ballot. But don’t you think he’s a better Libertarian than D’Annunzio, even if he’s not a better guy?”
I don’t know much about D’Annunzio, but what I do know about Haugh is more than enough to say that he should never be a candidate for anything, except for maybe a straightjacket.
Remember, a person can parrot Libertarian rhetoric, but this does not mean that they actually live up to it in their lives, nor does it mean that they would make a good candidate or ambassador for the cause.
I know that in every state that I’ve seen where the Libertarian Party has a primary, the primary vote has always been non-binding, in that it has always been viewed more along the lines of a “beauty contest” and the real nomination takes places at the LP conventions. If this is the case in North Carolina, how about just nominating a different candidate than either of these clowns at the LP of NC State Convention? This would be the sensible thing to do, either this or don’t run anybody for US Senate. I’m generally in favor of having Libertarian Party candidates on the ballot, but not when you’ve got to go scraping the bottom of a dumpster to do it.
I don’t like Haugh, and I can see in ordinary circumstances doing anything possible to keep him off the ballot. But don’t you think he’s a better Libertarian than D’Annunzio, even if he’s not a better guy?
“Jeremy C. Young March 5, 2014 at 9:26 pm
This is an important story that should be covered by IPR: insanely rich, former Republican whacko nutcase jumps to the LP, runs against Sean Haugh in a primary. Whatever you think of Haugh, he is the real Libertarian in the race, D’Annunzio is crazy and will tarnish the LP.”
Let me fix this for ya. “This is an important story that should be covered by IPR: insanely rich, former Republican whacko nutcase jumps to the LP, runs against insane whacko nutcase defrocked LP Political Director and current pizza delivery guy, Sean Haugh, in a primary. Both of these candidates are crazy and will tarnish the LP. The LP of NC must have gone dumpster diving for candidates. Vote for None of the Above.”
“Jill Pyeatt March 6, 2014 at 7:53 pm
Lee Wrights is continuing his tirade about past LP bad behaviors. He has this on Facebook today:”
He should also talk about some of his own past bad behaviors, but having said this, those are valid points about the Gary Johnson campaign.
“Time to bust this Gary Johnson bubble of yours. I lost much respect for the man I worked so hard to get a million votes for when his campaign manager, Ron Nielson, came to the LNC for the post election debriefing. My jaw dropped to the floor when I learned the campaign had maintained debt ON PURPOSE. (He came to the LP with a quarter of a million dollars of debt from his Republican presidential bid.) That’s right. Gary Johnson went into and maintained campaign debt deliberately. Why? Your campaign MUST be in debt to qualify for… wait for it… matching funds! Yep! The LP presidential campaign stayed in debt on purpose so they could taken stolen taxpayer money for the next election. Will he run again? You better believe it! He can’t get his booty if he doesn’t! Libertarians are still paying for his run as a REPUBLICAN!”
Some of this stuff was known by at least some people in the LP BEFORE Gary Johnson got the LP Presidential nomination, yet they voted for him anyway, or at least some of the people who knew this stuff did.
It was also known before the LP National Convention nomination vote took place that there was a chance that Gary Johnson would not make the ballot in Michigan due to the Sore Loser Law (or misapplication of the Sore Loser Law). I even had a conversation with somebody who was in the know about this at the convention. I think that most of the delegates did not know about it. Would it have changed the way any voted if they did not know about it? Probably not, at least in most cases. Should it have changed the way anyone voted? Given that the field was so weak at the convention, I would say no.
Fiscal responsibility is a big issue for Libertarians, or at least it should be. If the Gary Johnson campaign can’t run without racking up massive debt, and then has to run to the government for bailouts, how does this give the Libertarian Party any credibility when we talk about being fiscally responsible?
The campaign debt issue, and running to the government for bailouts/welfare checks, along with support of the badly flawed so called Fair Tax Plan, along with some other issues, says to me that the Libertarian Party needs a different candidate for President in 2016.
James Gray should not be part of the ticket again either, given his statements about how wonderful the police are, and how we should all thank, respect, and admire them, which frankly makes him sound either delusional or just not libertarian, or maybe both, as well as his non-support of juries being fully informed of their right to nullify the law, as jury nullification of victimless crimes should be an issue which Libertarians push a lot harder than they do because it is one of the few areas where we can be effective even if we do not elect people to office.
Lee Wrights is continuing his tirade about past LP bad behaviors. He has this on Facebook today:
“Okay, Libertarians. Time to bust this Gary Johnson bubble of yours. I lost much respect for the man I worked so hard to get a million votes for when his campaign manager, Ron Nielson, came to the LNC for the post election debriefing. My jaw dropped to the floor when I learned the campaign had maintained debt ON PURPOSE. (He came to the LP with a quarter of a million dollars of debt from his Republican presidential bid.) That’s right. Gary Johnson went into and maintained campaign debt deliberately. Why? Your campaign MUST be in debt to qualify for… wait for it… matching funds! Yep! The LP presidential campaign stayed in debt on purpose so they could taken stolen taxpayer money for the next election. Will he run again? You better believe it! He can’t get his booty if he doesn’t! Libertarians are still paying for his run as a REPUBLICAN! Great job, Libertarians! How much do you want to bet they give it to him again?”
Since the Obama sign represents goatse, a man’s anus. Whose anus does it represent and who is it being opened for?
This is an important story that should be covered by IPR: insanely rich, former Republican whacko nutcase jumps to the LP, runs against Sean Haugh in a primary. Whatever you think of Haugh, he is the real Libertarian in the race, D’Annunzio is crazy and will tarnish the LP.
Here’s the story: http://www.examiner.com/article/nc-libertarians-get-us-senate-primary?cid=rss
And a good run down on D’Annunzio: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/02/27/4728639/controversial-former-candidate.html#.Uxfbq4VFqdw
Glenn “Kane” Jacobs: Selling Liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0MS2snm0oE
“What, no bitching about videos yet this month? How did that happen? LOL”
a. That train has already left the station.
b. The horse is dead, why keep beating it?
c. Sometimes, one finds a kernel in a barrel of chaff.
d. Consider the source and ignore it
BTW; Thanks Jill
more wayback machine for the concerned hobo.
http://youtu.be/LoF_a0-7xVQ
I wouldn’t want my favorite concerned hobo to have nothing to complain about. So here is an oldy but a goody, something to scorch the hobo’s ears.
http://youtu.be/l7TWLxCIgwE
What, no bitching about videos yet this month? How did that happen? LOL
God bless you Dave Terry. It’s the effort that counts.
I’m almost tempted to read a Dave Terry comment based on Jill’s recommendation, but that would set a bad precedent.
I like your article, Dave!
I just found a great new 9/11 documentary. The running time for it is 23 minutes and 38 seconds, so it is short, but very good.
(2014) The WTC Demolitions – What was Used?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6eMq5Rit1w
I thought I’d start this off with an op-ed piece I wrote regarding ‘immigration’ and the spurious
personal attacks on undocumented aliens
Undocumented vs Illegal
Two hundred-fourteen years ago this coming Mar. 26, Congress approved the nation’s first immigration law; the initial effort to codify the rules which foreign-born persons could become U.S. citizens. The Naturalization Act of 1790 specified that “any alien, being a free white person” could apply for citizenship, so long as he or she lived in the United States for at least two years, and in the state where the application was filed for at least one year.
That law had absolutely nothing to say about those “aliens” who chose not to become citizens or those who were otherwise ineligible for citizenship. They were simply, “undocumented”, not illegal
Subsequent revisions to the Naturalization Act were passed in 1795 & 1793. The Act of 1798 also provided for registering “white immigrants” in order to establish the date of initial residency. Again, the law said nothing about “non-white immigrants”; they were still simply
“undocumented” and the government paid them no notice.
After an interim of 72 years, the Naturalization Act of 1870 extended the naturalization process to “aliens of African nativity and to persons of African descent” Other non-whites were not included in this act and remained excluded from naturalization. Those aliens were STILL undocumented and no one cared.
The Page Act of 1875 was the first restrictive “Immigration” law and prohibited the entry of immigrants considered “undesirable.” any individual from Asia, particularly unmarried females or any person considered to be convicts in their own country.
Prior to 1875 any person could simply show up and be admitted There were no quotas until after WWI except for Japanese & Chinese. It is estimated that over over half of those Americans with Irish, Dutch or German are descended from those immigrants who arrived before 1875. .
Further, over 70% of those with an Italian or Jewish surname are descended from those immigrants who arrived in the period between 1880 and 1924 when an average of 560,000 immigrants per year, amounting to over 25 million immigrants over a 44 year period.This
period saw a large increase in Jewish immigration to the US, largely due to repressive laws enacted in Russia and Prussia. Additionally, large numbers of Italians fleeing the economic and political climate of their homeland found a new In the 1860’s the buying of votes in local elections was easy where large groups of immigrants could be mobilized to march to the polls. Naturalization papers could be obtained before election, free of charge and without too many questions asked, from friendly judges. It was the general practice to advertise in the German papers of New York just before Election Day that all Germans wishing to become citizens should apply to the German committee of Tammany Hall, where they would receive their citizenship papers immediately and gratis.
Similarly, Irish immigrants landing in the morning might be voters by nightfall. One judge ‘naturalized’ over 10,000 in two weeks. .
HOW IS IT, that many of the current generation of “native born” descendents of all of those undocumented aliens NOW strongly believe that their ancestors were simply seeking freedom and opportunity and had every right to be here, but more recent arrivals are criminals, seeking to circumvent the law?