Libertarian 2016 presidential nomination poll: NOTA beating current field, Johnson overwhelming front-runner when included

From Examiner.com’s Karl Dickey:

Yesterday, August 30, 2015, the Palm Beach Free Press conducted an online poll of mostly Libertarian and independent voters to see where they stood on the 2016 presidential election. The conclusion was that the most likely of voters either do not know the officially announced Libertarian Party presidential candidates well enough or would prefer to vote “None of the Above” (NOTA) than for the candidates currently in the running. However, when two-term Governor of New Mexico and 2012 Libertarian Party (LP) presidential nominee, Gary Johnson, is added to the mix, he would be the clear favorite to win the LP presidential nomination. […]

Of the officially announced candidates, Dr. Marc Feldman fared the best of the six candidates listed in the poll. The poll included Feldman, Cecil Ince, Steve Kerbel, Darryl Perry, Derrick Michael Reid and Joy Waymire. Although NOTA won with 19.2 percent of the vote total, Feldman received 18.6 percent of the vote, Kerbel with 16.4 percent, Darryl Perry with 15 percent, Cecil Ince with 13 percent, Reid with 9.1 percent and Waymire with 8.7 percent.

Read the rest of the article here, including more details on the poll’s methodology.

48 thoughts on “Libertarian 2016 presidential nomination poll: NOTA beating current field, Johnson overwhelming front-runner when included

  1. Andy Craig Post author

    Not a surprising result, but I think it would have been more illuminating if the field of currently declared candidates had been restricted to three recognized and promoted by the LNC, on the grounds that they have been actively campaigning at state conventions. That would be Feldman, Kerbel, and Perry (and of course NOTA) .

    There is no serious possibility that Waymire, Ince, or Reid will get a meaningful number of votes in Orlando, if any, and that’s if they even attend and are nominated, which I really doubt all three will. Including them is akin to including “Deez Nuts”- you just get random noise junking up the results, from people who likely have no idea who they actually are.

  2. Andy Craig Post author

    I also take issue with Karl’s assertion that it’s somehow the job of the national party to make sure Libertarians know who all the formally declared candidates are. It most certainly is not, and not doing so is not a “failure” on the part of the national party. National has formulated and applied a reasonable criteria as to which candidates will be included in emails, FB posts, on the website, etc., and those three were all excluded for valid and objective reasons. (Ince you could maybe argue, but not Waymire and certainly not Mr. Libereen Cosplay).

    Promoting unserious or delusional candidates as if they were legit, would just reflect poorly on the party, doing real damage to its reputation, and do nothing to improve their 0% chance of being the nominee. LNC has to be fair and neutral, that doesn’t mean it has to promote as a serious and noteworthy Libertarian candidate literally anybody who walks in the door with an FEC Form 2 in hand. Not even the debates at the convention work that way.

  3. Jim Polichak from Long Island

    If you’re going to include non-candidates, ignoring Rand Paul’s campaign, I think that Ron Paul would still beat out all others. I voted for him back in 1988 and I’m sure most Libertarians who are old enough to remember him back then voted for him that year, too. When he went back to Congress he had to make some compromises but in 16 years he made less compromises than Rand has in four.

  4. Andy Craig Post author

    Ron Paul probably would beat out the others, though it would be interesting to see how Gary did against him head-to-head in a hypothetical matchup. I don’t think it would necessarily be a total blow-out for Ron, or put another way, I think Ron would beat Gary by less than Gary beats the rest of the current field.

    But Ron Paul isn’t going to seek the Libertarian nomination in 2016, nor would he accept it. Gary has said he intends to, he just hasn’t formally announced yet. So they aren’t really both “non-candidates” in the same sense. Gary is very likely to run, Ron extremely unlikely.

  5. Thomas L. Knapp

    I’d be interested in knowing how many people voted in the poll, and in seeing the data from the question where candidates were ranked in order of preference, perhaps as an IRV/STV kind of thing.

  6. Andy Craig Post author

    The poll itself was on surveymonkey and the link is now dead, I didn’t see it when it was live.

    Of course this isn’t a “scientific” poll, but conducting one of those among the small slice of LP members is practically impossible. I agree they should state how many people participated, as well as better explain the bottom-line results when Gary was included. They don’t actually give the first-choice apples-to-apples figure for that question.

  7. Marc Allan Feldman

    The bottom line result of the poll is that the Libertarian voters do not know the candidates well yet. I do not put much stock in early polls. Libertarians will not make a final decision until after they hear and see the candidates debate in Orlando. I would be surprised if there is not a nomination from the floor that gets serious attention. I will predict that if Gary Johnson goes in expecting to be annointed, instead he will be disappointed.

  8. Andy Craig Post author

    It’s true, Libertarians will become more interested in and familiar with the other candidates running as the convention nears, particularly those who will be delegates making the decision. I think it’s also true the results of this poll should be taken with a grain of salt considering the methodology, but aside from my quibble about which candidates they included I think it gives a pretty accurate sense of the overall state of the race.

    I don’t think Gary is acting like he doesn’t have to earn the nomination. I think he’s just justifiably confident that he can do so, and I think he’s right about that. If anything, the fact that he’s held off formally declaring should be an advantage to the other candidates, who have this opportunity to try to get their name out their and better-known before Gary’s sucking up all the oxygen in the room. Because the reality is that most Libertarians – not all, for sure, but most and moreso as you get beyond the inner circle of more-informed activists – will start promoting Gary as the presumptive nominee as soon as he announces, just like most Greens have with Jill Stein.

    But still, at the end of the day all candidates with a modicum of support will be able to debate at the convention live on C-SPAN, just like Wrights and Johnson did in 2012. Plus there may be other debates at state conventions in 2016. So everybody will have their chance to be heard and make their case, and a good or bad debate performance can change things pretty radically. It’s happened before; it’s how we ended up nominating Badnarik. But I think it’s still a lot more likely than not that Gary will be the 2016 nominee, and if he’s not it will be because he decided not to run, not because he was defeated in Orlando.

  9. Derrick Michael Reid

    Entering Politics for the first time, and seeking the presidency is a great challenge of course. I am an unknown, and the poll results are not surprising in the least. I offer the country a route to restore the constitution, republic, real money, honest markets, and have the plans and skills to quickly solve many systemic problems facing the US, such as eliminating the national debt, immigration, systemic racism, oppressive tax regimes, corruption, wealth transfers, prison over population, inter alia. I can easily defeat any DEM or REP opponent, the only Libertarian candidate that can. The Libertarian Party has the opportunity through me to save the country from economic ruination, if not collapse and from social chaos if not anarchy. No other Libertarian candidate can win the presidency or offer the country salvation from 110 years of slide into totalitarian socialistic fascism. My solutions will appeal to nearly all political segments in the US, offering the Libertarian Party a landslide victory.

    I think totally out of the box. For example, this day I requested President Putin allow me to address the Russian Duma and present a foreign policy speech on the confrontation developing between the US and Russia, through respective ignoble duplicitous foreign policy and territorial imperialism, with an eye of first understanding respective cultural drivers and then moving on to dispute resolution, to prevent a 2nd cold war, if not war itself.

    Now that I am officially registered as a Libertarian Candidate, I will start a planned approach to obtaining national recognition. I have devised, planned, and will now execute a publicity campaign.

    Very Truly Yours, in Liberty and Freedom
    Derrick Michael Reid B.S.E.E., J.D.,
    2016 Presidential Candidate, Libertarian Party,
    the only known candidate with qualifications and
    skills necessary to fully restore Americana Greatness.
    Engineer, Lawyer, Military Scientist,
    Market Analyst, Geopolitical Analyst.
    Libereens@yahoo.com
    http://2016.libertarian-party.org/
    https://www.lp.org/candidates/presidential-candidates-16/
    http://www.fec.gov/press/resources/2016presidential_form2nm.shtml
    http://www.totalitariandemocracy.com/

  10. paulie

    No, I forgot what that was but it was in one of the Invictus threads…that was not it. Check out the link though, it’s precious!

  11. Andy

    It is amazing that I’ve been in the Libertarian Party for over 19 years, and I’ve been following this stuff pretty closely, and even I have never heard of most of these people who are seeking the Libertarian Party’s nomination for President. This is a sad state of affairs.

  12. Robert Capozzi

    Love the photocopies of his birth certificate and baptism documents!

    Andy, what’s the problem? Don’t you like meeting new people? 😉

  13. Andy

    “Robert Capozzi

    September 24, 2015 at 11:37 am

    Love the photocopies of his birth certificate and baptism documents!

    Andy, what’s the problem? Don’t you like meeting new people? ?”

    It is great to meet or become aware of new people, but unless they really have their act together, you probably do not want to make them the candidate for President of your political party.

    If a person is going to run for the presidential nomination of a political party, one would think that this person would at least be known by long time party members who follow what is going on in the party pretty closely.

  14. Robert Capozzi

    A, jus’ kidding with ya. I usually am.

    But I’m not in the LP for several years, but I’ve heard of Perry, Waymire, and Petersen.

    Had you heard of Badnarik pre-04?

  15. Robert Capozzi

    btw, Vermin Supreme is going to run again. I see his Wiki says, “Occupation: Performance artist, anarchist, and activist”

    He’s got something of a name.

  16. Jed Ziggler

    I was familiar with Perry, Waymire, Smith, and Ince. And Johnson, if course.

    I’ve never met any in person, but I knew Darryl from IPR and Cecil from Twitter.

  17. Andy

    “Robert Capozzi

    September 24, 2015 at 11:51 am

    A, jus’ kidding with ya. I usually am.

    But I’m not in the LP for several years,”

    You may not be a current member of the Libertarian Party, but you’ve been a member in the past, and you seem to follow what is going on in the party based on the amount of time that you spend on Independent Political Report.

    “but I’ve heard of Perry, Waymire, and Petersen”

    I’ve heard of a few of these people, like Darryl W. Perry, Austin Petersen, and Marc Allan Feldman. I seem to recall that Joy Waymire announced that she was running for the LP presidential nomination in 2012, but she never made it to the National Convention.

    Some of these people I had never heard of prior to now.

    “Had you heard of Badnarik pre-04?”

    I had not heard of Michael Badnarik prior to him launching his campaign for President in 2003, however, he had been active in the Libertarian Party of Texas for several years prior to this, and he had run for office as a Libertarian Party candidate prior to this as well.

    Michael Badnarik also at least something that resembled a real campaign for the nomination. He traveled around the country speaking to various groups. He managed to get a few media interviews. He had a website that did not look bad for its time. He put together a campaign staff. He wrote a campaign book. He even made a TV commercial prior to the National Convention. He did all of this on a low budget, which showed that he was putting in a good effort to run a campaign.

    Was he my first choice for the nomination? No, I favored the more well known Aaron Russo or Gary Nolan at the time, but I respected Badnarik for running a real campaign even though he was on a shoe string budget, and I did support him after he won the nomination as the “compromise candidate” between Russo and Nolan. I think that Badnarik did an admirable job post nomination as well, and he was the last Libertarian Party candidate for President for whom I really had any enthusiasm.

  18. paulie

    They have some similarities, although actually he reminds me more of Steele (Robert, I think – I’ll need to look it up again).

  19. Derrick Michael Reid

    Food for Thought. this Morn on Twitter:

    @thehill @foxnews US-Russian 21st century confrontation, where does it come from? Answer: Cultural Evolution

    @thehill @FoxNews 20th century cold war, was not so much “communism” but territorial imperials, Soviets in E.EU China in NoKo and Vietam

    @thehill @FoxNews Territorial Imperialism STARTS WARS. Nazi Studdenland, Slovak, Poland, etc

    @thehill @FoxNews Territorial Imperialism legacy of 16th-19th century. US stopped manefest destiny after Hiawii in 1890, became isolationist

    @thehill @FoxNews Stalin 1939 winter war, then nazi pact,Baltic State Modolva, Bookavina, E.Poland. Then Hungary Bulgaria W.Poland EGermany Romania

    @thehill @FoxNews US did not win Cold War. Soviets lost it due do centralized economic controls, inefficiencies, and collapsed.

    @thehill @FoxNews Then, the US necon got control of Foreign policy, and democracy centrury, driven by Christian “help thy neighbor”

    @thehill @FoxNews US, feeling bravado after cold war, driven by wanting to cultural evolve world (democracy, capitalism, freedom) in US Image

    @thehill @FoxNews Rapid Democracy Century and slow Cultural Evolution are on different time scales, the US pushes, targeted regime changes

    @thehill @FoxNews pushing regime changes, US produces conflicts through military intervention, upsetting stable society (for their own good)

    @thehill @FoxNews US aggressive foreign policy regime change, well intentioned, on payed road to hell, tarnish image, causes deaths and wars

    @thehill @FoxNews Noble US foreign policy is Trade, Diplo Relations, Teaching, intercourse. Only thing BHO did right was opening CUBA.

    @thehill @FoxNews US cause rebellion in Ukraine, through regime change foreign policy, good intent, wrong play.

    @thehill @FoxNews Russia, have legacy of Europe/Stalin territorial imperialism, snatched Crimea and N.Georgia Providences. as expected

    @thehill @FoxNews Like 1941 oil embargo v Japan for China, US imposed monetary sanctions, and the cold war war-mogering begins on US right.

    @thehill @FoxNews US RussiaR headed4confrontation based on US democracy Century foreign Policy, and Residual Russian territorial imperialism

    @thehill @FoxNews US is placing nuke missiles in Germany, Putin threatening same in Kaliningrad, cold war rhetoric increases.

    @thehill @FoxNews US miscalculated in Ukraine, Russia miscalculated in Crimea, and now proxy war in ukraine, nuke stand off, 2nd cold war.

    @thehill @FoxNews US Started it, neocon push, high-almighty foreign policy, and now look what we got, Rebellion, Nukes, COLD WAR.

    @thehill @FoxNews US Foreign Policy is CORRUPT, State Dept is incompetent, lack fundamental understanding of foreign cultures/people.

    @thehill @FoxNews It is time the US returned to NOBLE FOREIGN POLICY, use trade, relations, and persuasion, NOT GUNS 4 cultural evolution.

    @thehill @FoxNews War Mongers JEB Fiornia Rubio are DANGEROUS people, and have no business leading the free world. Strike them out now.

  20. Derrick Michael Reid

    The system is corrupt. Socialism, per se is corrupt, and corrupts all it touches. The singing sirens of pandered socialism kills all it touches. Centralize it in DC and you have totalitarian socialism. Have the system configured so that the banksters suck wealth from the 99% to the 1% and you have totalitarian socialism fascism. Socialism, by definition, eventually implodes upon its own absurdity, of rewarding the unproductive and penalizing the productive. The heart of the problem is the pandering and cementing of socialism. The US economy, constitution, republic, currency and markets are collectively viewed as a terminal cancer patient with the DEM running in to help, choking the patient with pandered socialism, with the REP running in to help, with pretty ineffectual band aids. Trump seems to not pander either, socialism or band aids. Trump can be respected for being his own man, and calling it like it is. He is courageous by risking political fallout to speak his mind openly. When sizing up a man, character is first, and in this, Trump appears honest and courageous. However, the solutions so far considered by Trump will be less than effectual, even if his heart is in the right place. Trump reminds me of a story in our US History.

    In Mid 1864 as general Johnston was back peddling the CSA Army of Tennessee on defense to the gates of Atlanta, pressed by General Sherman’s 3 USA armies, CSA President Davis wanted fight, and Johnston kept retreating. So, Davis was going to replace General Johnston. In Virginia, Davis asked RE Lee what he thought of Hood.

    “Hood is a bold fighter. Other qualities are doubtful.”

    Hood did show fight, with 3 sorties out of Atlanta, but gave it up, and went on to wreck the CSA Army of Tennessee in the disastrous Tennessee invasion.

    If you want the system fixed, here is the only known path.
    http://www.totalitariandemocracy.com/

  21. Jill Pyeatt

    Mr. Reid, there’s quite a bit of info on the link you posted above to your site. Can you help us out a bit? Would you like to explain the hybrid nature of “Libereen”? What issues do you consider to be most important?

    If you’d like to correspond directly with me, here’s my email address: jcpyeatt@hotmail.com. I believe IPR readers would be interested in what you have to say.

  22. Derrick Michael Reid

    My Libertarians Friends

    NOW IS THE TIME, for all Libertarians to rally to my banner.

    The solutions are there, to save the country, and we must unite to save the country.

    Democrat policies have led to 50m on food stamps, 18T$ in debt, 100m unemployed, home ownership at 40 years lows, stagnant economy despite 7T$ spent over last 6 years, obscene wealth transfers continue from 99% to top 1%, inter alia. The democrats are failures, and all know it.

    Republicans have enabled totalitarian socialistic fascism by caving in and enabling the Democrats over the 110 years. And now, the elephant too is collapsing, as dissension runs ramped in the GOP ranks. 62% of republicans feel betrayed, as they aught to.

    http://www.teaparty.org/62-republicans-feel-betrayed-party-121274/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=62-republicans-feel-betrayed-party

    If the Libertarians will unite under a common banner with the solutions to systemic problems in hand, under a bold leader, we can and will save the country from anarchy and collapse.

    RALLY LIBERTARIANS!!!

  23. paulie

    Marc Feldman posted on open thread:

    Interesting Wikipedia article involving Libertarian candidates. According to Wikipedia, the announced candidates so far are:

    Nathan Norman
    Actor and musician
    (Constitutionally ineligible – under age 35)

    Robert David Steele
    Activist

    My comment and their response below:
    The Libertarian Party has published its current list of Presidential candidates. The 2016 Presidential candidates currently recognized by the Libertarian Party are:
    •Marc Allan Feldman
    •Darryl Perry
    •Steve Kerbel
    •Rhett Smith
    •Cecil Ince

    None of these candidates are currently listed on the Wiki page. Those listed under Libertarian Party are not currently recognized Libertarian candidates. [1] Mfeldmanmd (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

    None of the above candidates have been shown to meet the notability benchmarks of WP:GNG or WP:POLITICIAN, which presently is a prerequisite for inclusion on the page. Currently, there is talk of revising the inclusion standard (see here and here) to make “recognized by the party” a primary factor for inclusion, though I’m not sure that would include candidates not having standalone wikipedia articles. But for the time being anyway, the ones listed in the article meet the benchmark and the ones listed above do not.–NextUSprez (talk) 14:58, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

  24. Derrick Michael Reid

    My solutions cut across all segments of the American society.

    Libereen: A coalition of voters and supporters, including but not limited to Libertarians, Greens, Teas, Monetarists, Riflemen, Constitutionalists, Occupiers, Latinos, Democrats, Republicans, Blacks, Whites, Browns, Yellows, Reds, Workers, Unionizers, Entrepreneurs, LGBTs, States Righters, Capitalists, Federalists, Businessmen, Educators, Parents, Believers, Legalizers, Seniors, believing in Americana, Constitution, Republic, Honest Money, Honest Markets, Liberty, Freedom, Peace and Prosperity,
    consequently excluding socialists, communists, totalitarians, bankster-government facists, bigots, racists, and panderers.

    Example:
    The federal welfare state has absolutely no place at the federal level, and will be transferred to the many states, under the constitution defining the reserves powers of the states. Democrats will be appealed to, to make sure that all states have sufficient safety nets.

    There never should have been the 1960s debate over guns and butter at the federal level. The federal government regulates interstate commerce and defends the country, the states social engineer including the maintenance of sufficient safety nets.

  25. paulie

    Thank you for continuing to share your perspective.

    If you or any other candidates who entered the race after this thread was posted

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/01/debatediscussion-thread-with-declared-candidates-for-the-2016-libertarian-presidential-nomination/

    would like to revive that thread, answers questions that other candidates answered there, ask other questions etc., please feel free.

    The ones we already knew about when we started the thread are in the photos but it is open to all others as well..

    The thread remains open to additional candidates as well as additional questions from the audience.

    If any IPR writers would like to start a new thread like this, feel free.

  26. Derrick Michael Reid

    A Question posed was what is the most important issue.

    The many issues are so interconnected that one issue actually raises them all. The problems are systemic, interconnected and embedded. To fix one problem means you have to fix them all, concurrently. Thus, the solutions are comprehensive, integrated, and wide spread, and must be solved concurrently. And that means, monitoring many social-economic subsystems, tweeking the same in real time, during the remedial solution process, to maintain a relatively seamless transition as dislocations provide impulse functions and excitations to those subsystems during the remedial fixing process.

    The number one issue, and the consequential rise of multiple system problems therefrom, is the bastardization of the Constitution over last 110 years by leftest political pandering as enabled by the U.S.S.A evil empire, comprising 1) Bankster greed and undue influence, 2) Judicial Fiat and 3) two pandering political machines.

    I am a master of reducing complex systems to their simplicity. In patent prosecution for example, reducing inventions so that juries and judges can comprehend the core, while patenting this country’s most sophisticated inventions by this country’s leading scientists and engineers, my success rate was 98%, whereas the average is 56%. Unless a candidate has the mix of skills and training that I have, (Engineering, Law, Markets, Military, Geopolitics) there is no way they will be able to cope with and solve these numerous systemic problems concurrently.

    I hoped this helped.

    Very Truly Yours, in Liberty and Freedom
    Derrick Michael Reid B.S.E.E., J.D.,
    2016 Presidential Candidate, Libertarian Party,
    the only known candidate with qualifications and
    skills necessary to fully restore Americana Greatness.
    Engineer, Lawyer, Military Scientist,
    Market Analyst, Geopolitical Analyst.
    http://2016.libertarian-party.org/
    https://www.lp.org/candidates/presidential-candidates-16/
    http://www.fec.gov/press/resources/2016presidential_form2nm.shtml
    http://www.totalitariandemocracy.com/

    http://patents.justia.com/agent/derrick-michael-reid

  27. paulie

    Word of warning: the spam filter settings hold up any comment that has more than one link included. Unfortunately I can’t change that setting. Write wredlich@gmail.com if you want to have it changed. I fish comments out of spam but I don’t always have time and other people may or may not catch it.

  28. paulie

    You aren’t supposed to make your own wikipedia page, according to their rules. But someone does have to care enough to make an issue of it, too.

  29. Derrick Michael Reid

    This is totally hilarious, if not pathetic.

    I stated three simple facts, and no more, and the hue&cry screeches bellowed from the bowels of wikipedia.

    I offered a compromise, and any good lawyer would, to move the 3 facts to the “libertarian candidate” section of the Presidential Candidate page.

    The democrats and republicans get full spread treatment, and each have their own personal pages, but as soon as one Libertarian makes a post, the attack dogs come out of the wood work.

    This goes beyond ridiculousness of course. I would think LNC would have a IT computer geek that could modify the “presidential candidate” page so that all of us officially recognized Libertarian candidates are given equal access to wikipedia and therefor equal exposure to the nation as a whole.

    Yours, D

  30. Derrick Michael Reid

    One comment deserves mentioning.

    I am not running for the purpose of posting on resume, candidate for president, or self-glorification, but seriously plan to win the White House and restore our Constitution and Republic. I was content in retirement. But, when Attorney General Holter said, the banks were TBTF and TBTJ, I knew I had to quit retirement, get off the bench, and reverse the destructive affects of 110 years of leftist political pandering. I am in this to win, and win big, and yes, I can and will defeat any DEM/REP opponent, and I do know how to handle congress and the court, to rapidly perfect that restoration.

    Yours, D

  31. Derrick Michael Reid

    Bob,

    I just received an inquiry from a major university, asking if I would give a speech, and wanted to know what are my speaking fees.

    I have no clue if such would violate campaign laws, accepting speaker fees, which would be use to travel to LP gathering.

    It seems I need a profession political handler.

    Any suggestions.

    Very Truly Yours, in Liberty and Freedom
    Derrick Michael Reid B.S.E.E., J.D.,
    2016 Presidential Candidate, Libertarian Party,
    the only known candidate with qualifications and
    skills necessary to fully restore Americana Greatness.
    Engineer, Lawyer, Military Scientist,
    Market Analyst, Geopolitical Analyst.
    Libereens@yahoo.com
    http://2016.libertarian-party.org/
    https://www.lp.org/candidates/presidential-candidates-16/
    http://www.fec.gov/press/resources/2016presidential_form2nm.shtml
    http://www.totalitariandemocracy.com/

  32. Derrick Michael Reid

    @thehill @foxnews US-Russian 21st century confrontation, where does it come from? Answer: Cultural Evolution

    @thehill @FoxNews 20th century cold war, was not so much “communism” but territorial imperials, Soviets in E.EU China in NoKo and Vietam

    @thehill @FoxNews Territorial Imperialism STARTS WARS. Nazi Studdenland, Slovak, Poland, etc

    @thehill @FoxNews Territorial Imperialism legacy of 16th-19th century. US stopped manefest destiny after Hiawii in 1890, became isolationist

    @thehill @FoxNews Stalin 1939 winter war, then nazi pact,Baltic State Modolva, Bookavina, E.Poland. Then Hungary Bulgaria Romania W.Poland EGermany

    @thehill @FoxNews US did not win Cold War. Soviets lost it due do centralized economic controls, inefficiencies, and collapsed.

    @thehill @FoxNews Then, the US neocon got control of Foreign policy, and democracy centrury, driven by Christian “help thy neighbor”

    @thehill @FoxNews US, feeling bravado at cold war, driven by wanting to cultural evolve world (democracy, capitalism, freedom) in US Image

    @thehill @FoxNews Rapid Democracy Century and slow Cultural Evolution are on different time scales, the US pushes, targeted regime changes

    @thehill @FoxNews pushing regime changes, US produces conflicts through military intervention, upsetting stable society (for their own good)

    @thehill @FoxNews US aggressive foreign policy regime change, well intentioned, on payed road to hell, tarnish image, causes deaths and wars

    @thehill @FoxNews Noble US foreign policy is Trade, Diplo Relations, Teaching, intercourse. Only thing BHO did right was opening CUBA.

    @thehill @FoxNews US cause rebellion in Ukraine, through regime change foreign policy, good intent, wrong play.

    @thehill @FoxNews Russia, have legacy of Europe/Stalin territorial imperialism, snatched Crimea and N.Georgia Providences. as expected

    @thehill @FoxNews Like 1941 oil embargo v Japan for China, US imposed monetary sanctions, and the cold war war-mogering begins on US right.

    @thehill @FoxNews US RussiaR headed4confrontation based on US democracy Century foreign Policy, and Residual Russian territorial imperialism

    @thehill @FoxNews US is placing nuke missiles in Germany, Putin threatening same in Kaliningrad, cold war rhetoric increases.

    @thehill @FoxNews US miscalculated in Ukraine, Russia miscalculated in Crimea, and now proxy war in ukraine, nuke stand off, 2nd cold war.

    @thehill @FoxNews US Started it, neocon push, high-almighty foreign policy, and now look what we got, Rebellion, Nukes, COLD WAR.

    @thehill @FoxNews US Foreign Policy is CORRUPT, State Dept is incompetent, lack fundamental understanding of foreign cultures/people.

    @thehill @FoxNews It is time the US returned to NOBLE FOREIGN POLICY, use trade, relations, and persuasion, NOT GUNS 4 cultural evolution.

    @thehill @FoxNews War Mongers JEB Fiornia Rubio are DANGEROUS people, and have no business leading the free world. Strike them out now.

    @thehill @FoxNews HRC took ukranian oligarch money, Prez outed at gun point, rebellion, Russia snatches Crimea, NATO tanks in poland,

    @thehill @FoxNews Putin threaten nukes in Crimea, US moving nukes to germany, Putin threatening nukes in Kaliningrad. HRC started COLD War

    @thehill @FoxNews But having a 1st front of this 2nd Cold War in Ukraine was not enough for HRC, she some how DOUBLE DOWN in Syria.

    @thehill @FoxNews 2nd front of 2nd Cold war Russia-Syria-Iran-Iraq v Saudi Turkey CIA ISIS, the play on the Shia-Sunnie ancient feud.

    @thehill @FoxNews Neocon, in this “DEMOCRACY CENTURY” seek to move ISIS into Caucuses and Southern Chechnia to attack Russia from the south.

    @thehill @FoxNews HRC was roaming the Gulf State, pocket book open, taking undue influence brides, and now ISIS run wild in Syria,

    @thehill @FoxNews ISIS, saudi turkey CIA gulf states back ISIS, are going after Syria and ultimately Russia from the South

    @thehill @FoxNews HRC, a putin hater, and neocons, with their “Democracy Century” have now laid plans for a 2 front war on Russia

    @thehill @FoxNews First front is Ukraine from East, and Second front is Syria from the South. full court press,tactical nukes in play

    @thehill @FoxNews HRC takes Ukranian and Gulf states money, peddling undue influence], and now respective fronts in cold war, TARGET RUSSIA

    @thehill @FoxNews Back in the REP camp, JEB want more sanctions to destabilize Putin’s power base. JEB has no clue about russian culture

    @thehill @FoxNews Russians lost 27m to Nazi, 20m to Stalin, and JEB’s proposed sanctions will only strengthen Putin hand in Russia.

    @thehill @FoxNews So the Clinton-Bush team, is out to create a 2nd cold war, and place the world under a huge military conflict.

    @thehill @FoxNews Clinton-BUSH war mongering,aided by industrial-military complex, neocon democracy century NWO bankster control,create wars

    @thehill @FoxNews HRC and JEB have no business running for president, will endanger the world, for bankster profits and self-glorification.

    @thehill @FoxNews Just one man’s opinion, I could be right. Plausible theory only. Not privy to back room deals. but we do know 2 things

    @thehill @FoxNews HRC shamed the US taking money from foreigners. and JEB play on russian sanctions is counter-productive.

    @thehill @FoxNews We also know that ISIS is driving around in US humvies with US military arms, and that points to the CIA pointing 2 neocons

    @thehill @FoxNews driven by ideology, “democracy century” regime change in Ukraine and sought after regime change in Syria.

    @thehill @FoxNews In both cases, Ukraine and Syria, US active in regime change, target MOSCOW and PUTIN, indirectly,and that appears desired

  33. Derrick Michael Reid

    CIA trolling alternative media sites.
    Those guys are fun chew on line.

    NSA monitors your phones
    FBI camera surveils your movements
    CIA trolls your web pages
    IRS spies your bank accounts

    Big Bro

  34. Wang Tang-Fu

    I thought IPR just informed us Kerbel is the leading candidate. This is all very confusing. Also, what about the favorite variety of spam question above?

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