Virgil Goode Endorses Donald Trump for President

Former Congressman Virgil Goode, the Constitution Party’s 2012 presidential nominee and member of the party’s Executive Committee wrote an editorial yesterday for Breitbart.com in which he endorsed the presidential campaign of the Republican Party’s 2016 front-runner Donald Trump.

Justifying his endorsement, Goode cites Trump as “the only candidate truly focused on reforming our immigration system.”  He says he agrees with Trump’s views on trade and believes Trump is the only candidate who can defeat Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in the general election.

Contrary to the claims of the political consultant class, Trump is the only candidate who can defeat Hillary Clinton.  Millions of Republican voters stayed home in 2008 and 2012 because they felt the GOP represented the interests of Wall Street rather than those of working Americans. Donald Trump is the best candidate to connect with those voters who feel disaffected from both parties.

Goode is the first former or current Congressman to endorse Trump.

As the Constitution Party nominee in 2012, Goode appeared on the ballot in 26 states and received 0.09% of the national vote.  Former Congressman John Hostettler is considered a likely candidate for the Constitution Party’s 2016 presidential nomination.

88 thoughts on “Virgil Goode Endorses Donald Trump for President

  1. paulie

    It’s kind of a bad joke that he is still on it, even long before this. Even with all the policy differences I have with the CP, I don’t wish such disgrace upon them to have such a person in their leadership.

  2. Andy Craig

    Trump is the CP without the hardcore religiosity, which is also a decent description of Goode, so I’m not surprised.

    I agree though, he should sever any remaining relationships with the CP. I didn’t know he was still involved with them at all. No different than a member of the LNC was endorsing Rand Paul.

  3. Andy Craig

    @NF

    I think that’s already, quite easily, the case. Barr at least didn’t screw up ballot access, and even in terms of vote total his result wasn’t disappointing by historical LP standards. He and his even-worse running mate also had the decency to leave the LP before running as a Republican again and endorsing a Republican presidential candidates. The LP bounced back pretty quickly from the Barr fiasco, doing better in the three elections after Barr (10, 12, 14) than in the three before him (02, 04, 06). Whereas Goode took a party that was already on a downward trend, and solidified that trend.

  4. Andy

    “Andy Craig

    November 3, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    @NF

    I think that’s already, quite easily, the case. Barr at least didn’t screw up ballot access, and even in terms of vote total his result wasn’t disappointing by historical LP standards.”

    Barr did not screw up ballot access?!?!?!?!? You must not have been paying very close attention in 2008. Bob Barr was only on the ballot in 45 states. He was not on the ballot in Maine, Connecticut, West Virginia, Washington DC, Louisiana, and Oklahoma. This was the worst ballot access that the Libertarian Party has had in a presidential election since either 1984 or 1988 depending upon which criteria you use to judge it.

    Some of this was the fault of the LNC/LP national office, but some of it was also the fault of the Barr campaign.

  5. Wang Tang-Fu

    “Barr at least didn’t screw up ballot access”

    Wasn’t it the worst ballot access for the LP in a presidential election since at least 1988, if not 1984? Also, didn’t the LNC/LPHQ take care of most of it for him?

  6. Andy Craig

    45 states is still a hell of a lot better than 29, with those 29 not even covering a majority of the Electoral College.

  7. Andy Craig

    They lost more states from 2008 to 2012 (37 to 26) than the LP did 2004 to 2008 (48 to 45).

  8. Andy

    “Andy Craig

    November 3, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    45 states is still a hell of a lot better than 29, with those 29 not even covering a majority of the Electoral College.”

    Yeah, but the Libertarian Party came into 2008 with ballot access in more states than the Constitution Party did.

  9. Andy Craig

    Far be it from me to defend Bob Barr, that wasn’t my point. Rather, just that Goode’12 was worse (by a lot) for CP ballot access than Barr’08 was for LP ballot access.

  10. Wang Tang-Fu

    Lily Tang Williams via facebook:

    I dropped off my ballot this morning at Parker Town Hall. This location will take the drop off ballots until 7:00pm.

    As a citizen, I take my Constitutional right to vote seriously. Politicians know how to count the votes. They do not care why you did not vote.

    I was never allowed to vote for anything in Communist China where I lived for 24 years. Even today, 1.3 billion Chinese citizens cannot really vote on choosing leaders or on public issues.

    Voting right is a critical part of human freedom as a citizen of your country. So many people have fought bloody battles and died for this right. I treat my one vote as precious as I can. I always vote based on my principles and values regardless what the others say.

    Please VOTE and let your voice to be heard.

  11. William Saturn Post author

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  12. paulie

    Trump has already pledged to support the Republican nominee, and even if he didn’t, I don’t think he would fit in well with the theocratic elements in the CP.

  13. William Saturn Post author

    But the Bible is his favorite book. And he’s Presbyterian “that’s down the middle of the road folks.”

    I don’t think the pledge means anything other than to allow him to be on primary ballots.

  14. Cody Quirk

    Exactly.

    Plus, I’d like to hear (or see), how the CP, or at least their national leadership, is going to respond to this.

  15. Andy Craig

    re: Barr vs. Goode and their respective party’s baselines.

    Barr, despite being on three fewer state ballots, got 523,715 votes compared in 2008 to Badnarik’s 397,265 votes in 2004, an increase of 32%.

    Goode got 122,388 votes in 2012, compared to.Chuck Baldwin in 2008 with 199,750 votes, for a *decrease* of 38%.

  16. JT

    ” It may help him get a job in a Trump administration. ”

    It won’t help him get a job in Ben Carson’s administration. Haven’t you ever heard….once you go black you never go back.

  17. JT

    Mr. Saturn, perhaps you misunderstood. I made no allegation that Mr. Goode is “anti-black”; I merely noted that the next President of the United States will assuredly be Mr. Carson, given the common wisdom, that “once you go black you never go back,” as can often be observed through the behaviour of European and European-American females who can be seen moving from one partner of African extraction to the next. My suggestion is that the US electorate is another example of that same phenomenon. Ergo, since Mr. Carson will be the President, there can be no jobs for Mr. Goode to seek from a Trump administration. I hope that serves to clarify my prior point sufficiently. Perhaps, however, Mr. Goode could seek employment at one of Mr. Trump’s hotels and casinos?

  18. Cody Quirk

    Trump wouldn’t go for the CP at all if he lost the primary and broke his pledge; especially when it comes to the CP’s weak ballot access position, their platform, and theocratic views & rhetoric among it’s members that makes Trump’s rhetoric & views look quite moderate in comparison.

  19. Andy

    And Virgil Goode is also a lying piece of shit, and so is JT for cherry picking and omitting information that clearly proves that Goode owes money to several petition circulators.

  20. JT

    Mr. Saturn,

    Thank you for the clarification. I can now see how my prior comment could be misinterpreted in that manner. However, I was not trying to imply in any way, nor did it occur to me, that Mr. Goode owes or should have been expected to give Mr. Carson his endorsement.

    Mr. Jacobs,

    All I did was say that Mr. Goode has replied to your claims, and linked his reply. I made no statements as to who is right, who is wrong, or whether all evidence has been considered or not. Your claim that I have lied about anything is without basis. You are free to introduce additional evidence or refute Mr. Goode’s claims if you wish, or not.

  21. paulie

    Andy is driving at the moment and called me to ask me to post a link to https://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/DOC.pdf

    Anyone who cares about the dispute between Virgil Goode and various petitioners, myself included, regarding back pay can read https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/01/thread-for-discussion-on-petitioners-2/ comments from February 2015 (at this time, the last 40-something comments in that thread). Please move any additional discussion of this tangent to that thread.

  22. Andy

    Paul and I were not the only petition circulators ripped off by Virgil Goode. He also ripped off people who got petition signatures for him in Vermont and New York.

  23. paulie

    I don’t feel like enforcing IPR rules today, although it would be nice if someone would. JT is the nazi troll who is banned from commenting here at all, and the issue with back pay from 2012 is pretty thoroughly covered in the 40 plus most recent comments on the thread I linked for anyone who cares. Further discussion of the tangent should be on that thread.

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  25. Andy

    If “JT” has something to say, he/she should stop hiding behind fake names and IP anonymizers and then say it, but his/her government masters probably will not allow that. “JT” needs to keep his/her job as a government paid internet troll.

  26. JT

    Mr. Frankel,

    There is absolutely no basis to claim I am a “nazi” or a “troll” (please share it if you think you have any). If I am banned from commenting here (on what possible basis?) it’s news to me. I am a pragmatic libertarian/conservative Constitutionalist and race realist, not a nazi, fascist or socialist of any kind. My ideal government would be significantly smaller than the one we suffer under today, especially at the national and international levels, but even at the state and local levels. Please explain how that makes me a “nazi” or a “troll” or why this viewpoint would cause me to be banned from commenting here?

  27. JT

    Mr. Jacobs,

    I value my privacy and prefer to avoid ad hominem arguments. That’s hardly proof that I am a troll, much less a government agent. I’m also far from the only person who comments here anonymously. Numerous other commenters here, regulars, infrequent commenters, and drive by one timers alike, use screen names, first names or initials which may or may not be theirs. This has been true, as far as I can tell, as long as IPR has been around. I see no basis for your accusations against me. Do you have any more tangible evidence for your charges?

  28. Cody Quirk

    “I am a pragmatic libertarian/conservative Constitutionalist and race realist”

    Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

  29. Mark Axinn

    On Barr and ballot access:

    His campaign contributed $5000 to our efforts in New York in 2008 to (successfully) get him, Root and other statewide candidates on the ballot.

    Unfortunately, like Congressman Goode, Congressman Barr also has several unpaid obligations from 2008. In Barr’s case, I would start the list with his debt to Jim Bovard (already discussed in other threads). I don’t know much about Goode, except that he seemed a real step down from Chuck Baldwin and I was particularly disappointed that Barr so fucked up the relationship with the Ron Paul crowd that RP endorsed Goode.

    Three former Republican Congressmen! What do you expect? 🙂

  30. paulie

    Ron Paul never endorsed Goode. He didn’t endorse Johnson either, but said good things about him, and while he did not publicize it he told mutual acquaintances that he did vote for Johnson. He didn’t formally endorse Baldwin in 2008 either, but he basically did, by publicly saying he was voting for Baldwin in response to what has been called Snubgate.

    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/?s=snubgate

  31. Mark Axinn

    On the charlatan Trump:

    This morning, I walked to work down Fifth Avenue past the Trump Tower where a long line of fools (oops, citizens) stood waiting for the Great Narcissist to emerge and autograph their copies of his latest book (which he probably never even read).

    Enough to make one retch. 🙁

  32. Mark Axinn

    >Ron Paul never endorsed Goode.

    Paul is right; Goode ran against Johnson, not Barr.

    The faux pas was in 2008 when Barr so infuriated Dr. Paul as not to get his endorsement and instead Paul tacitly supported Baldwin (i.e., CP candidate over LP candidate) as a result.

  33. Cody Quirk

    “How so?”

    Racism, or “racial identity” is collectivism of a certain race or ethnic group, the type of collectivism which has only lead to violence and persecution of those of other races/ethnic groups, as well as government & social totalitarianism that suppresses the right to social mingle, have intimate relations with, or marry one of a different race then yours throughout world history.

    True Libertarians recognize and shun racism, or “racial identity” for what it is, which runs counter to what true Libertarians believe in and advocate for.

  34. JT

    Mr. Quirk,

    Nothing about acknowledging racial realities implies violence, persecution, or totalitarianism, and there has been no shortage of these things in the name of integration and egalitarianism. No predominantly non-White nation or people, nor any non-White minority population, has ever shown the least interest in liberty or libertarianism anytime or anywhere in the world, despite a few individuals here and there serving as counterexamples. Libertarians and conservatives who don’t consider what this means for our liberties in a political system where voting majorities wield considerable power over everyone else, and one that encourages Whites to hate their own race and destroy it through interbreeding with other races, are very short sighted to say the least. Anyone who is incapable of thinking through what this means for spending trends on welfare, crime control, medical care and education, gun rights, etc., should join the ranks of principled non-voters as soon as possible. Libertarian principle dictates that the right of association includes the right of non-association, in direct opposition to today’s politically sacrosanct “antidiscrimination” laws. For these reasons and more, you are entirely incorrect in your assessment of the compatibility of racial realism with pragmatic libertarianism.
    Incidentally, Ron Paul doesn’t want it to be known too widely, but he is supporting Bob Whitaker of the American Freedom Party if Rand Paul does not get the Republican nomination. I’m not supposed to tell you but Dr. Paul told me this himself!

  35. Jill Pyeatt

    So, you’re out of work again, “JT”? I notice you seem to have plenty of time to hang around IPR.

  36. langa

    Incidentally, Ron Paul doesn’t want it to be known too widely, but he is supporting Bob Whitaker of the American Freedom Party if Rand Paul does not get the Republican nomination. I’m not supposed to tell you but Dr. Paul told me this himself!

    That’s interesting, because Ron Paul told me that you’re full of shit.

  37. Thomas L. Knapp

    JT,

    If one wants to “acknowledge racial realities,” it would seem most practical to start at the beginning. That is, with the fact that “race” is a social construct built around tiny genetic variations between large groups of people, originating as primitive superstition, but as a modern phenomenon mostly just a hook to hang various forms of demagoguery on.

    Proceeding from any other premise isn’t “race realism,” it’s just nutjobbery.

  38. JT

    Mrs. Pyeatt,

    I don’t know who you think I am, or why you would think you know whether I am employed or need employment, much less why you think it is relevant to the discussion. I’m not interested in ad hominem distractions and wish the same was true of everyone else. How is who I am or what I do for a living relevant to anything here? It’s not, nor is it any of your business. If you have a substantive counterargument to anything I say please offer it. “My ouija board tells me you are a three legged dog” isn’t a substantive argument. Neither is “you must be a government plant because you don’t post your full name, home address and social security number with each comment.” Particularly when such a standard is not applied to all others who comment here! As for the time spent at IPR, today it has been approximately 15 years reading and writing, which would not exactly preclude having worked today, much less having a job. Are people who are in between jobs, homemakers, retirees, and those who have inherited wealth not allowed to comment here?

  39. JT

    I meant 15 minutes, of course. Mr. Knapp at least offers a substantive argument, which, speaking of time, I will address when time allows me to offer a substantive answer.

  40. Thomas L. Knapp

    “As for the time spent at IPR, today it has been approximately 15 years reading and writing”

    IPR is less than 10 years old. It went up in 2008, right before the Libertarian National Convention in Denver, when one of Bob Barr’s guys bought out a site called Third Party Watch and shut it down to stifle coverage of LP campaigns.

  41. Thomas L. Knapp

    Doh — I was posting about the 15 years at the same time JT was correcting it to 15 minutes.

    As far as substantive arguments on “race realism” are concerned, I’m not interested in pursuing the subject in a thread that it’s not really related to, but perhaps there will be a relevant venue some time.

  42. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt

    November 4, 2015 at 12:52 am

    So, you’re out of work again, ‘JT’? I notice you seem to have plenty of time to hang around IPR.”

    “JT” or “MS,” for Michael Seebeck?

  43. Andy

    “langa

    November 4, 2015 at 12:56 am

    ‘Incidentally, Ron Paul doesn’t want it to be known too widely, but he is supporting Bob Whitaker of the American Freedom Party if Rand Paul does not get the Republican nomination. I’m not supposed to tell you but Dr. Paul told me this himself!’

    That’s interesting, because Ron Paul told me that you’re full of shit.”

    LOL!!!

  44. Wang Tang-Fu

    JT: Incidentally, Ron Paul doesn’t want it to be known too widely, but he is supporting Bob Whitaker of the American Freedom Party if Rand Paul does not get the Republican nomination. I’m not supposed to tell you but Dr. Paul told me this himself!

    langa: That’s interesting, because Ron Paul told me that you’re full of shit.

    Wang Tang-Fu: While it’s certainly possible, and more than likely, that neither of you actually talked to Ron Paul personally about this, it would also not be implausible that if you had he (would have) told you both what he believed you wanted to hear. He is, after all, a politician, albeit retired.

  45. Jed Ziggler

    Virgil Goode as I recall spent most of his campaign tooling around his home state in his pickup truck, as if he was running for congress instead of President. He also had the memorable line at the Free & Equal debate where he flat out told people not to vote for him. It’s not necessarily a bad idea to run former officeholders as candidates, indeed it can add legitimacy to the party’s message, but they have to the RIGHT former officeholders. Barr and Goode were just bad candidates.

  46. Wang Tang-Fu

    Cynthia McKinney for President was another disaster. Ron Paul as a Libertarian candidate was not as bad, but neither did he get the LP out of its typical 1984-2008 result range.

  47. Andy

    “Wang Tang-Fu

    November 4, 2015 at 1:27 am

    Cynthia McKinney for President was another disaster.”

    McKinney was not bad from the stand point of issues or credibility or embarrassing her party, she just ran an ineffective campaign.

    Barr and Goode were worse candidates than McKinney was in my opinion.

  48. Andy

    This “Mr,/Ms.” thing and the fake politeness from “JT” is probably the latest tactic given to him/her/them out of the government troll playbook.

  49. Andy

    “JT

    November 4, 2015 at 1:02 am

    Mrs. Pyeatt,

    I don’t know who you think I am, or why you would think you know whether I am employed or need employment, much less why you think it is relevant to the discussion.”

    Mr. “JT” is employed as a government internet troll.

  50. Thomas L. Knapp

    “While it’s certainly possible, and more than likely, that neither of you actually talked to Ron Paul personally about this, it would also not be implausible that if you had he (would have) told you both what he believed you wanted to hear. He is, after all, a politician, albeit retired.”

    That does generally seem to be how Paul rolls.

  51. Andy Craig

    “Virgil Goode as I recall spent most of his campaign tooling around his home state in his pickup truck, as if he was running for congress instead of President.”

    …and didn’t have anything to show for it, even there in his own district and state. If I recall correctly, he didn’t even break 1% in his old district, and got fewer votes in VA than Johnson (for whom VA was a below-average state).

    I agree with you that ex-officeholders can be good third-party candidates, but not all are. An ex-Congressman who can’t even make a blip in his former district being the case in point.

  52. langa

    …it’s certainly possible, and more than likely, that neither of you actually talked to Ron Paul personally about this…

    I can assure you that I talked to Ron Paul on the exact same day(s) that JT did. 😉

  53. langa

    I agree with you that ex-officeholders can be good third-party candidates, but not all are. An ex-Congressman who can’t even make a blip in his former district being the case in point.

    This holds true for Barr, as well. I live in his old district, and in ’08, I saw many yard signs and bumper stickers promoting Ron Paul, but not a single one for Barr.

  54. Andy Craig

    “This holds true for Barr, as well. ”

    Yup. And McKinney, the other former Georgia Rep. running that year, didn’t even get on the ballot in that state.

    Ceteris paribus, somebody who’s been in the House might make a better third-party nominee than a non-officeholder, but not necessarily by all that much much. There at least a couple of thousand living current and former members of the House at any given time, it’s just not that exclusive of a club nor any guarantee of name recognition. Only two Presidents have been elected with that as their highest previous office. Lincoln (in the extremely atypical 1860 election), and Garfield (who had already been elected as a Senator, and could have briefly taken office as one while President-elect, but chose not to.)

  55. Andy

    “langa

    November 4, 2015 at 3:46 am

    ‘I agree with you that ex-officeholders can be good third-party candidates, but not all are. An ex-Congressman who can’t even make a blip in his former district being the case in point.’

    This holds true for Barr, as well. I live in his old district, and in ’08, I saw many yard signs and bumper stickers promoting Ron Paul, but not a single one for Barr.”

    I drove on Highway 81 across Virginia after going through Tennessee shortly before the 2012 general election, and I was surprised to see a surprising number of Gary Johnson signs along the highway. I did not see any Virgil Goode signs or bumper stickers.

  56. Trent Hill

    Trump is not, as one commentator said, “The CP without the religiosity”. The guy was a Democrat a few years ago, still advocates for universal healthcare, isn’t non-interventionist, previously advocated for “women’s right to choose” and an assault weapons ban, and today wants to raise taxes on the rich. He doesn’t want to eliminate unconstitutional departments, doesn’t want to dramatically decrease spending, doesn’t have a problem with NSA spying or the Patriot Act, etc.

  57. Justin Paul Witter

    Our Soldiers aren’t Lukewarm when it comes to Their Oath To The US Constitution. Anyone in the Constitution Party who is Lukewarm in Loyalty to The Supreme Law Of The Land should be spit out.

    – Justin Paul Witter

  58. paulie

    If Trump breaks his pledge and steps out of the duopoly I expect he would run independent; the ballot access money is peanuts to him and the independent label is substantially more popular than any alt party label. And if he did try to take over an existing party to save on ballot access, despite the ideological incompatibility, I expect it would be the LP just because we have more ballot lines and it would come down to that and little else. To be clear, though, I think he will stick with his pledge not to run outside the duopoly.

  59. Andy Craig

    “The guy was a Democrat a few years ago”

    So?

    “still advocates for universal healthcare,”

    That is one of the many stances he’s flip-flopped on in order to run as a Republican, and I was referring to his current platform (to the degree it can be nailed down with any specificity).

    “isn’t non-interventionist, ”

    Neither are a lot of people in the CP.

    “previously advocated for “women’s right to choose” and an assault weapons ban”

    Key word: previously.

    None of the other issues you mentioned are, in my estimation, deal-breakers for the CP. You guys did nominate Virgil Goode, after all.

    And of course, on his signature issue- immigration- he’s right in line with the CP. Could he win the CP nomination? Probably not. But could he appeal to a lot of CP voters and members? Absolutely.

  60. William Saturn Post author

    He’s received praise from Chuck Baldwin, Chelene Nightingale, Red Phillips, Pat Buchanan, Tom Tancredo, and now Virgil Goode. There’s probably others.

  61. JT

    Everybody is jumping on board the Trump train. He’ll get the nomination, and win the Presidency. He’ll make America great again and be the greatest President ever. If you are not on the Trump train yet what are you waiting for? AND just in case the Republicans somehow manage to cheat him out of the nomination we have the next best thing, a true American hero who played an instrumental role in bringing down the USSR, turning the once solidly Democrat land of Dixie Republican, and exposing White Genocide…Mr. Bob Whitaker of the American Freedom Party! Just the man for the job of being in charge of rounding up and deporting the tens of millions of illegal alien invaders in the coming Trump administration!

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  63. Fun K. Chicken

    JT November 5, 2015 at 19:46 …. yet another nazi troll for Trump? The white supremacists sure seem to love Trump and he doesn’t exactly distance himself from them either, just makes all the same points they do slightly less explicitly.

  64. Thane Eichenauer

    I want to thank Thomas L. Knapp for avoiding ad hominem arguments when addressing self described race realist JT. If race realism is to be properly examined for applicability or inapplicability to our world such examination won’t include name calling.

  65. Wang Tang-Fu

    I think it’s been well established that he is actually the nazi troll and has since been added to the comment blacklist. Race “realism” (racism in a Sunday suit) is very often a guise hateful nazis adopt to make themselves and their positions seem more reasonable to general audiences. In other times and places or under other guises those very same people spew openly nazi crap. JT is certainly no exception to that. Donald Trump, who reportedly sleeps with a book of Hitler’s speeches to memorize by his bedside every night, is probably not an exception to that either.

  66. Thomas L. Knapp

    Thane,

    “Race realism” is to racism as “creation science” is to religious creationism — the latter dressed up as something more respected, in the hope of smuggling it to acceptance. So any “examination” of “race realism” has to start with “if you’re ashamed of being a racist, why not just stop being a racist instead of trying to disguise your racism as something else?”

  67. Thane Eichenauer

    Thomas and Paulie,
    I have a portion of skepticism dedicated to any movement that engages in word morphing. I hope that portion will serve me well. In the last three years I have seen hundreds of liters of human plasma extracted from people of every size, skin coloration, gender and religion. During this time I have seen that 99.99% of the human population can interact peacefully and profitably if the surrounding economics motivate them to behave well. I have always had a special interest in the past and present circumstances of those of the Jewish and Bahá’í faith.

    I have always admired the one sentence platform of the Boston Tea Party (founded 2006).

    My quote of the day follows.

    “True justice is paying only once for each mistake. True injustice is paying more than once for each mistake.”
    ? Miguel Ruiz, The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom

    Mr. Vahid Thane Lee Eichenauer
    Phoenix, Arizona

    https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vahid

    Vahid is male given name in Persian, Azerbaijani Turkish, Turkish & Bosnian. Since there is no W sound in Persian, Turkish and Bosnian, it is written and pronounced with a V.

    The meaning of Vahid is “Unique” or “The One” or “Alone”.

  68. Thane Eichenauer

    Thomas and Paulie,
    Further, I do my best to engage in logical reasoning with a polite manner. I take special note of those that fail to engage in logical reasoning or fail to make points politely, offering a visual or written frown where I feel it might be appreciated. Conversely when I see someone engaging in polite discussion where many others engage in name calling then I make an effort to point that out.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

    P.S. I have on occasion patronized a group that supports the following saying: “On the other hand, where a government is obviously working hard for ALL its people, rather than for some special interest group or insane dictator, one should support it to the limit.”

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