The Libertarian National Committee is meeting in Las Vegas, NV this weekend (12/10/2011 – 12/11/2011). Saturday night a fundraiser was held 7-00 pm PST to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Libertarian Party and benefit the LP building fund.
David Blau is trying to setup a live video feed of the LNC meeting, but he is having some technical issues with getting his webcam recognized by justin.tv or uStream. He’ll try working on it again when there is a break.
Note: The agenda was heavily amended at the meeting. The following agenda versions do not reflect those amendments, but I will update them if anyone at the meeting emails me (Chuck Moulton) a list of said amendments.
Proposed agenda, PDF version (courtesy of Alicia Mattson):
Chair’s Proposed Agenda for the December 10-11, 2011 LNC meeting
Proposed agenda, text version (courtesy of George Phillies):
Libertarian National Committee
Chair’s Proposed Agenda
December 10-11, 2011 – Las Vegas, NVOpening Ceremony
Call to Order 9:00 am
Moment of Reflection 1 minute
Opportunity for Public Comment 10 minutesHousekeeping
Credentials Report and Paperwork Check 5 minutes
Adoption of Agenda 10 minutes
Report of Potential Conflicts of Interest (Mattson) 5 minutesExecutive Session
Hiring an Executive Director (Hinkle) 15 minutes
Hiring an Executive Director-open session (Hinkle) 15 minutesOfficer Reports
Chair’s Report 15 minutes
Treasurer’s Report 15 minutes
Secretary’s Report 15 minutes
Staff Reports 45 minutes
Counsel’s Report 5 minutesRegional Reports (supplements to printed reports) 5 minutes each
Reports of Standing Committees
Affiliate Support Committee (Rutherford) 15 minutes
Audit Committee (Starr) 5 minutes
Convention Oversight Committee 15 minutes
Employment Policy & Compensation Committee (Wolf) 5 minutes
IT Committee (Flood) 15 minutes
Outreach Committee (Visek) 5 minutesReports of Special Committees
Membership Support Levels Committee (Wolf) 15 minutes
Supporting Affiliates (“New Visions Committee”) 45 minutesLP Headquarters Office Building (Hinkle) 30 minutes
Unfinished Business and Items Postponed from Previous Meeting
New Business with Previous Notice
Approval Voting (Olsen) 15 minutesMinutes Approval Process (Lark) 10 minutes
New Business without Previous Notice
LSLA presentation on IT project (Knedler) 45 minutes
Restructure ASC (Knedler) 15 minutes
LNC Goals (Lark) 30 minutesExecutive Session:
Board Self-Evaluation (Visek) 20 minutes2012 LNC Budget (Redpath) 90 minutes
Revised LNC/LNCC Contract (Hinkle) 15 minutes
Endorsement of Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act (Hinkle) 10 minutesClosing Ceremony
Announcements 5 minutes
Opportunity for Public Comment 10 minutesTOTAL: 616 minutes
Open thread here to comment about the meeting!
@ 228. Wow was I slow. I get it.
Baaaaaaad joke or was that Mr. Person.
@229
Oh come on.
@228 was way funnierer than @227
Besides “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” …
# 227.
That is tooooo funny.
Better check the LP bylaws! Might have a floor fight over LP bylaws!
@227 Baaaaaah humbug
Does the LP allow farm animals to be delegates? If so, it’s a first round win for Person at the LP national convention
Liberty Lion has learned that Carl Person has offered to pay the airfare of all delegates attending the LP National Convention who have pledged to support his candidacy.
Full story at:
http://drtomstevens.blogspot.com/2011/12/carl-person-to-offer-free-airfare-to.html
Joe@224,
Sounds like great fun — but I doubt I’ll be there.
If I am it will be as a tourist/LibertarianGirl fanboy/journalist, not as a delegate. In which case, I’m up for a party!
Thomas@222 and all,
I live in Park City, about 7 hours north of Vegas. Typically get down there 2 or 3 times a year for various conferences.
I’m planning to go a bit early, maybe late April, observe another LNC meeting (May 2nd I believe), be a delegate to the convention (not sure if that will be with Utah or some other state), and stay late, perhaps as long as the May 12th weekend for another Vegas-based conference.
I’m a fan of close-up magic, and the best in Vegas right now is Paul Vigil at the Mirage (and it’s free).
So if you’d like to get a group together for that, and then go to one of the steak specials or the Heart Attack Grill, let’s start planning for it.
I’m drbuchman @ gmail (dot) com.
I attended the dinner but left early as well. Certainly not an orchestrated departure though (I think I left before any other LNC member but, since I was all the way in the back, I could only see a couple of them). I arrived late to Vegas on Friday night thanks to airline delays and shuttle delays and then attended the long Saturday LNC meeting. I was beat. While I opposed the purchase of the Duke St. property from the beginning, I do not oppose the LP owning a building. I feel that we will do better, continuing to raise funds and spending a little more time assessing available properties.
Joe@219+,
That’s more like it, and one of the things I love about Vegas!
Libertarians should, I think, want to support this eatery in Vegas — see . . .
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44967619#44967619
George and ALL —
Also, you’ll not want to miss . . .
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/index.php?page=the-clinic
The Ellis Island (just east of the strip) has a $9.99 steak special that’s incredible.
For that, and other options, see:
http://www.vegas.com/restaurant/specials.html
Jesus Christ … 50 bucks for a steak? In Las Vegas?
That’s just crazy.
@216. I agree. However, there is a major street quite near with what appear to be a lot of restaurants.
I thought the Red Rock steakhouse prices to be in the “stratosphere”.
Ate numerous times at LBS. Put on some pounds, survived every meal, etc.
The steakhouse prices are astonishing.
The Stratosphere has a nice restaurant at the top, good food and a revolving view of the whole Vegas area.
@206 George,
Might have if I’d not been dining with others every meal — limited there to the food court and LBS.
Red Rock is owned by the same group that owns the “Station” casinos (except the Main Street Station, which is not part of the “stations” group), and I’ve been pleased with the “Feast” buffets at other locations (they’re branded as “the Feast” at all of their properties.
Red Rock only has three that might be considered “high end” — steak, pasta, and sushi — see: http://www.redrocklasvegas.com/dining/
My favorite in Vegas — about 7 miles down Charleston — the M&M cafe (Soul Food). Been on the Food Channel. See:
http://www.usmenuguide.com/mmsoulfood.html
Also Krung Thai Food
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz3naSLIo7w
Great food and some of the best Vegas magicians like to hang out there on Wednesday nights . . .
That makes me glad I prefer to drink whiskey.
It was the water. Was that a conspiracy? I doubt it.
I don’t know if it is the water, but I have come down w/ some sort of cruddy stomach/abdominal problems…it ain’t fun.
But we need to remember that Las Vegas is short on water and chooses to recycle it. I only have two problems with recycled water…number one and number two.
PEACE
On December 13, 2011, Carl Person terminated the services of his unpaid Campaign Manager.
Dr. Tom Stevens responded to Carl Person’s Press Release and to the issues raised therein.
All at:
http://drtomstevens.blogspot.com/2011/12/stevens-responds-to-persons-attempt-to.html
TK @ 204: You got it. It’s the same plan every year. The surprising thing is that I actually succeeded in losing about 25 pounds in the first half of this year (and have only gained back 5). So I’ll be curious to see how my 2012 plan works out.
If you can’t find a good meal at an affordable price in Vegas, you can’t find a good meal at an affordable price.
At least that was the case up to at least 2001, the last time I was there.
There is a hotel in Henderson that is supposed to have one of the best buffets in the city.
And I have been told that the Atlantis Hotel in Reno has the best sea food buffet in the nation.
‘Course I always wanted to do a book on the buffets of Nevada, but haven’t got to it yet.
@205
Joe, Everyone’s taste differs. Did you try any of the hotel’s top-end restaurants? George
I too left the banquet a bit early, but only because I was tired. It was a long day and the various tributes to David Nolan, while excellent, also ran long. By the time of the auction, and given the heavy food, I was falling asleep . . .
I thought the ribs were excellent at the banquet (and had too many of them), but was also disappointed with the other food I ate at the hotel both at the food court and at LBS — the burger joint.
Still the options there are far superior to the typical hotel setting in other cities, and the food options across Las Vegas may be the best on the planet.
DW@203,
“As soon as the holidays are over I plan to lose some weight, just as I did in past years.”
Yes, I plan to too. Just as I planned to in past years.
Having just read over this thread, let me clarify several matters:
The CRM/Website proposal came from the LSLA (22 states) and will be handled by them, to allow them to pool their resources (especially to assist the smaller state parties). All the LNC is doing is providing the initial money. This was a bottom-up proposal, and there is no national direction or dictation to the states. Also, it does not affect the national party’s database system or software (except insofar as there will be some interfacing to facilitate a two-way flow of information).
Although I ultimately voted to purchase the building, I thought the amount of money raised for the down payment was barely on the edge of being adequate to reduce the financial risk to an acceptable level. A number of other LNC members did not believe that amount to be adequate, or else were not happy with the specific property being considered. Most of the opposition still wants to purchase an office once enough money has been raised. To that end, the Watergate lease is being renewed for 14 months at the same monthly rate but with one month thrown in for free — in other words, an effective rent reduction of 7% over that time period. That will provide more time for fundraising, and also get us past the 2012 national convention and election before we have to move. The money which has already been raised will remain in a separate building fund account until then (unless a donor requests a refund). Hopefully we’ll be able to find an office building at that time which is as good or better than the 1428 Duke Street property.
My recollection is that we negotiated free wifi with the Red Rock for the convention, even though they normally charge for it. The Red Rock is a top quality hotel, and we also negotiated for good room rates and other facilities. However, I was a bit disappointed by the quality of the food at the banquet, and I heard some complaints about the food quality at some of the restaurants there. But they have a large number of dining establishments within the hotel, so I don’t anticipate a big problem. There’s a nice food court, and the Fatburgers that I ate were good (albeit fattening). As soon as the holidays are over I plan to lose some weight, just as I did in past years.
Several LNC members were either just getting over colds, or in one case the flu. So yes, I would not be surprised if a few people got sick.
Remember both Ms Mattson and I got sick after the LNC meeting that Mr Nolan missed and was the weekend that he passed away.
Ms Mattson ended up with pneumonia.
I am not sure what I caught from drinking the water in New Orleans, but I was only able to work about three days over the next two months and at one point I clearly had stage three dehydration. I lost over 40 pounds in two months before I finally managed to get over it.
It was the water. Was that a conspiracy? I doubt it.
Ok…I did not read the RSVP. I thought it was a fundraising event.
You and Mr Root have given very reasonable comments regarding why you left. But there were a number of others who also left. Was this one giant coincidence? I can accept that, but it still looked odd.
Hmmm, could there have been a conspiracy behind Wayne’s mysterious illness? Could someone have laced his BBQ with a bit of e-coli? Was this conspiracy directed by a libertarian or was it orchestrated by some sports handicapper seeking to eliminate competition?
Did others who never get sick attending the BBQ also come down with this mysterious illness? Is it possible that this conspiracy goes right to the top – Obama? Certainly Obama would have the motivation to order a CIA attack on his arch nemesis.
Has Wayne had any other problems lately? Sugar in the gas tank? Unwanted anchovy pizzas delivered late at night? Toilet paper in the trees? Flaming bags of dog poop on the porch?
I’d guess that Obama would stop at nothing to get Root off his back, including raising his taxes.
FYI: we are in hour…38?…39?…of the drive back so hopefully my posting make sense. Just entering outskirts of Columbia, so only about two more hours!
Kevin,
I agree 100% with your complaint about your pledge being ignored. I do not know why they overlooked it or even who overlooked it, and it it understandable that you would have been upset over it.
But I really can’t believe it was your reason for voting against the building. It may be a reason for you to be upset with someone raising money who slipped up, but it could not possibly be related to your vote against the building purchase.
@ 195 Thank you Stewart. Your response on 2nd paragraph answered the obvious for me.
@ 194 The event was billed as the 40th anniversary party for the LP and tribute to Mr. Nolan.
What LNC members (in office) were in the audience at the tribute to Mr. Nolan
Kevin,
My reference to gang of ten was clearly a sarcastic remark aimed at those who voted against the building when we had more money raised than the bank required.
I’m not sure what your April reference implies. You and I were both on the day-long initial look at properties.
As far as all the board members who were not voting yes leaving the fundraiser…I believe that what I said was:
“It may not have been planned or orchestrated, but I did notice it and mentioned it to others.”
and at least , as Wayne points out , he was there. I doubt Mattson , Starr or Rutherford were as busy as Wayne and they no-shwed. I understand being against the building fund , I dont know how i feel on the topic , to me the event was a wake/memorial for David and they could have showed some respect and attended but oh well
Debra Root was the best dressed person in the room BTW , she went uber fancy and looked freakin gorgeous
Stevo IS a rock star! I have witnessed it too, and he steps up where others fail. Looking forward to the Ohio Convention in 2012.
Glad we have people like Wayne, good points in your comment, Mr. Root. I’d say get me one of those bumper stickers, but I don’t. 😉
Thanks for your sacrifice, Wayne! The meeting schedule can certainly be tough on some.
Good to hear you’re raising some libertarian chess players! I play a lot of chess myself.
Re Wayne’s comments @ 188. Most of us give something. Some more than others, but no one forces us to give.
Yes, I thought all the conspiracy people were in the Constitution Party or the Art Bell fan club.
Jezz.
Wow there are paranoid people here.
Ladies and gentleman…I did the well mannered and honorable thing and showed up for the BBQ even though I was never a big fan of the building fund. I askedmy wife to attend too- which is very difficult when we have 3 young children at home.
Debra and I attended, ate dinner, and watched the nice 40th anniversary video. Debra had to leave at 8:15 PM to pick up my 2 young boys at chess class- which ends at 9 PM. We live 35 to 40 minutes away on the far opposite end of town. She almost arrived late for my boys.
I left at 8:45 Pm to rush home to spend 3 hours analyzing NFL football games and update my web site- which is a large part of my income that pays my bills, my mortgage, and Dakota’s college education at Harvard. This was one of hardest weekends of my life. I must pay attention to my business that feeds my family, yet the LNC expects us to be in meetings for 12 hours a day on Sat and Sunday, plus 70 minutes of drivetime to get to hotel and back on each day.
In the middle of a depression no one can afford to take their eyes off their business. 99% of LNC members work Monday through Friday. But for me weekends in the Fall are my job for 26 years now.
I made a tremendous sacrifice being there at LNC for every minute of every day this weekend. I hurt my business. I wore myself out. I was sick today- and I never get sick. Then to also be at BBQ Saturday night was beyond the call of duty. I was and am worn thin.
That’s the only story I know about why I left the BBQ dinner early. It would have been impossible for me to stay until the end. Weekends are a 24 hour intense business for me 20 weekends a year. Attending that dinner was one of hardest decisions I’ve ever made. I did it out of respect for the LP and LNC and David Nolan. I stayed as late as I could. As it was I worked until 1 AM to load my web site…
Then had to be up at 6 AM to do more web site work…then had to leave my home by 8:10 AM to get to LNC at Red Rock.
Does anyone now still have an issue? I sure hope not.
New bumper sticker- “I give blood. I play for the LNC.”
Wayne
Hey Stevo, you are a VIP in Ohio.
Seriously, I have witnessed it.
What are you a Rock Star or something.
LOL.
Gladd you make it home on the red-eye.
I stayed extra night and had direct flight to CMH.
You got comped because you were part of the LP special rate for the event. I got free wifi also.
I was on the 19th floor & had absolutely no problem w/ wifi, and I was doing some things that make my home connection choke. But the stated price is $14.99/day.
The wifi was comped to me, I’m not sure if it was because I was considered a VIP (??).
Interestingly, this hotel has smoking rooms only on the VIP floors (separate elevators).
I do not know if I was VIP because of the LNC meeting or because I smoke.
PEACE
#158.
I hear there is possibly more to the story about some of those that voted against the building. There are two sides to many stories. The mob with the gasoline and crosses should did deeper.
Maybe there is nothing more, but make sure.
Hey Stewart, how many of your so-called “gang of ten” went with you to the site visits back in April. Remember.
Email me on Tuesday. I will give you my cell number. Doesn’t matter anyway, a 9-9 vote still loses anyway.
@169
Actually, it hadn’t occurred to me to blame you for testing the internet connectivity. If you had done it, I expect it would have been done right.
Have a safe trip.
Can you elaborate for the rest of us, Kevin?
Hey Stewart, you know my story on the contribution. Nobody seemed to want my money.
170 to 174.
Did any of the “gang of 10” on the building fund contribute any money to the building fund? Other than the banquet dinner on Saturday night?
Yes Hinkle needs to work on his auctioneering:)
If I were planning to kill a fundraising project the next morning, I do not believe I would have shown up at all. I have now heard from others. I think most of the room noticed that members of the gang of ten had left.
**seem
The fundraiser was a pretty good event. Geoff Neale’s story was kind of prophetic.
Badnarik looked a heck of a lot better than he did a few years ago.
Hinkle definitely need to learn how to run up the bidding in an auction! 🙂
Not sure. Someone at my table noticed Alicia and Rutherford not there, then at some point a member at my tabe said Root wasnt there and we wondered how long he’d been gone when we started noticing other people had left. It would seek all at once
@171,
I noticed after they had left. Did they all leave at once, or did they leave in stages?
@164,
One additional comment: it is not “too late” to fix problems.
Several other issues were uncovered this weekend have already been addressed and corrected. Our experience in both St Louis and Denver was quite similar.
There are always issues. The goal is to identify and correct them before the convention. I am certainly not claiming that our committee is “perfect”, but even a perfectly laid out convention will have issues between the time of contract signing and the event.
everyone at my table noticed
LG @166,
Yes, Aaron Starr was present the entire weekend.
Not all of the LNC were at the event, however every LNC member who was at the dinner and that later voted against the purchase left prior to the fundraising portion of the evening.
It may not have been planned or orchestrated, but I did notice it and mentioned it to others.
Dr Phillies,
The duties of site inspection prior to selection of the “finalists” for 2012 were tasked out to various members of the committee, and to our chair.
I was not personally given the task of on-site visits for 2012. I did visit several of the 2014 prospects, and I have visited several of the 2016 candidates.
My understanding was that the wifi service was great. Maybe it was fine when the two LNC members who reviewed the site were there. Maybe it wasn’t and they didn’t find the level of service to be objectionable.
It is almost certain that neither of them test networks to the level that I do or rate networks as critically. I also doubt that they check cell phone signal levels in areas we will be in. As you know, I do. My standards are more critical, so others may find the service acceptable.
My concerns regarding AT&T data/cell coverage were mentioned to the hotel while I was there. Staff has informed me that the hotel’s reply was that they are aware of several existing issues and that some cell repeaters are already scheduled for replacement in 2012. My understanding is that this will be prior to our convention.
The cell coverage issue is not major, so I am not seriously concerned, but it was annoying.
thx Stewart
LG,
Will send photo again. Phone is on charger, so it will be later in the trip.
was aaron starr in town?? you can add him to the list of conspicuously absent people from the dinner..also absent alicia mattson and mark rutherford
stewart , that pic didnt come thru can u send it again , [email protected] or 7024687690 or [email protected]….sorry and thank you ahead of time , also, theres a pretty good photo of you and i on my FB…..good to see you..George, you were missed and unfortunately , due to other obligations i was unable to attend the LNC meeting
One might wonder how an even marginally competent convention committee could have viewed the quality of the convention site internet service. Too late now.+
I do not use Sprint. This is being sent from an iPad 2 on AT&T. I was grandfathered into the flat rate plan the first week that the original 3G iPads went on sale (started my service the last day flat-rate was available), so I’m not thinking of switching.
I have been reminded that the wifi in the guest rooms will be comp’d to our delegates during their stay…so at least they won’t be paying for what little coverage there is.
Of course it may be better on some floors than it was on the 8th floor for me.
I do not recall what the setup on the convention floor will be, so I will refrain from giving an opinion on how it will perform. The Ethernet connection we had on Saturday was performing speed tests at about 60Mb/15Mb. Pricey, but good performance.
Tom @ 43 —
>>Does the hotel have a good parking deck where you can park a van and crash there?<<
No. Looks like security runs RVers away and there's a constant disco like thumping music in the parking areas as well.
Other options — 5 miles west is the Red Rock campground
http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/blm_special_areas/red_rock_nca/recreation/red_rock_campground.html
I'd suggest those wanting to camp reserve the group sites there asap.
There are also a number of Walmarts nearby, including the one about 5 miles south (just south of Tropicana near hwy 215 that does not allow camping in the parking lot — but does have/allow camping by RVs and semis along the street to the south side of that parking lot.
Stewart @159 — my Sprint 3G worked fine in the room, in the LNC meeting room, and here in the ground floor lobby area. (I am still in Vegas.) Using PDA net with my laptop.
Maybe another way to skin the building cat is for individual investors to purchase an appropriate building and lease it to the LP at net cost. This would bring down the rent considerably. Then, if LP needed a bigger space or collapsed or new LNC wanted to move, the
investors could lease building to another party or sell the property and, one hopes, pocket a gain.
Wifi in the hotel gave unacceptable performance at a very high price.
The wired connection performed quite well, but was more expensive for a day than a similar speed cable connection would be for two to three YEARS of service.
The cellular service was average, but the associated data connection on both my 3G devices was very poor. It is faster right now on I-40 while driving through western Oklahoma.
This is accurate to the best of my memory:
Voting in favor of the proposal to purchase the building were:
1) Hinkle
2) Lark
3) Redpath
4) Wiener
5) Flood
6) Ruwart
7) Kirkland
8) Karlan
Voting against the proposal to purchase the building were:
1) Root
2) Knedler
3) Eshelman
4) Visek
5) Wolf
6) Sink-Burris
7) Lieberman
8) Ruthorford
9) Olsen
10) Mattson
Some speaking against the building proposal FYI spoke in favor of a building — just not this building at this time. IMO time will tell the level of commitment to that, and the wisdom of purchasing/not-purchasing at this time.
For what it’s worth — my hope would be that another specific building purchase proposal is put forward soon, and everyone unifies around that as the best way to operate the national party at the lowest cost.
@156 For motions 1-4, mail ballots, see Liberty for America magazine, now out at LibertyForAmerica.com .
George Phillies
Who voted against the building and who for?
Regulate Marijuana Like Wine?
How about regulating marijuana like dreams?
How about regulating regulators like child molesters?
Regulators should be asked why they don’t regulate wine like marijuana.
@150 Over the time period in question the national party has shrunk. A lot.
BTW, The way everyone’s fighting for WiFi at ANY convention, the MiFi would be a better deal.
@ #25
Welcome to Vegas. The one time I went to Vegas, WiFi was a scandal. You have to pay way too much for crappy service.
I’ll be bringing a cellular data MiFi device with me for the convention. There’s 4G data in the LV area.
@ # 130. Don’t think the LNC is doing this project. The LP states have taken over! Very interesting. Looks like some on the LNC want the states to do this. Who is pushing this on the LNC or with LSLA? Interesting because this is not being pushed from top.
How long has the LP been renting that Watergate office and how much have they grown in that time?
Plus, IMHO, requiring large fixed office space for just about anything should become obsolete if it hasn’t already. How much in-house staff ( that is required to be located in a central office for some reason) can the LP possibly ever need? I was being pretty serious when i asked why the LP even needs an office at all. I was told it was mostly for records storage, filing, and the like. Seems reasonable to me, and that could be handled by a 3,000 ft space forever.
@ # 50. You have it completely BACKWARDS. I hear the LSLA is running this and not the LNC. I think the LNC provided the funds. Looks like the states wanted to take charge of this. I think the states can opt in if they want. Some LNC members didn’t want to support the states.
The fundamental problem with buying a building will save us some cash is that it assumes that the party will be cash strapped.
This implies that the party thinks it wont grow. And if it wont grow what is the point of supporting it?
A growth business would be asking the question. Sure we can spend a significant amount of our current cash on a building but how long will that building be large enough to house the staff that we need to support GROWTH.
I am left to conclude that the LNC doesn’t believe that they can sell their message.
Anyone know the four states they intend not to attempt ballot access ? I think RJ Harris is attempting to acquire access in his home state with volunteers. If so, BRAVO!
http://www.lp.org/take-a-look
Thank you Joe. Good work.
Just learned that Red Rock (which is VERY nice) is owned by the “Stations Group” — same as Palace Station (where OJ got in trouble stealing back his stuff that he hid from the Goldmans), and Grand Valley, etc. Not sure how that impacts the convention — but the Palace Station probably has rooms that are 1/3rd the price here (or less) and is just down Charleston Blvd 1o miles and over to Sahara. Not sure how that might affect room rates for the convention — but FYI
Announcements
Redpath announces that he may seek a position on the LNC, but will not seek position of either chair or Treasurer when his term completes.
Root announces Broncos win.
Norm announces hotel shuttle service limitations (runs on odd hours, but is free)
Arron Starr thanks committee for professional process and service.
Redpath announces airfares to Orlando in March are currently very high.
Tampa may be cheaper.
http://www.allegiantair.com/ may be an option for those back east.
Amtrak station in Orlando.
No more announcements.
LNC has adjourned.
Now voting on motion regarding allowing non LNC members to be on the Affiliate support committee, and for the LNC chair to appoint the ASC chair (rather than having that be the vice chair).
Motion passed 14 to 0 (chair not voting).
Chuck @ 130 — I don’t think any of the older systems will be taken down until 1) after the election and 2) after the new system has proved to be robust. . .
Presentation on affiliate support committee revisions/how chair is chosen being made now. No motion made yet as far as I know . . .
@Tom Knapp – I agree with you completely. This is not only a time with low interest rates but plenty of deals to be found.
Approval Voting method proposal fails 1 yea, 11 nay, 4 abstain
@138 My university Faculty tried Approval Voting for a while. It does not work at all. Very rapidly, even the Imperial Academy of Lagado works out that you should vote for your own candidate, and no one else (in Boston, called the ‘bullet ballot’) as the optimum voting choice.
Besides, Redpath has his even worse pet idea.
Bill Redpath now speaking against Approval Voting . . .
George —
I had Robert Krause (probably misspelled too) check that on my screen BEFORE I posted it here. He instructed me change it from Carla to Karla. AND I’ve just learned that is incorrect.
So . . . now . . .
[email protected] is NOW active.
Please ignore (or even delete) the earlier post with her name misspelled. (Although I’ll suggest both spellings might be a good idea).
LNC now voting on supporting marijuana like wine.
Passed 14 to 0 with 2 abstaining.
(My impression — the two abstentions don’t want to regulate wine “like wine” much less marijuana like wine.)
Now discussing Approval Voting . . .
B$Liberty@134,
Well, yeah … but I wasn’t necessarily saying they should buy THAT property. Just that less expensive options than what they’re looking at might be viable.
With ~$200k down, if they could find something in the $500k range or less, they could get a pretty good mortgage — then as soon as this presidential cycle is over, perhaps run a “help us get this thing paid off early” fundraiser and be free and clear before the next cycle starts heating up.
It just seems like an awful waste to have raised $150-$250k contingent on buying a building, and then not do it. It will be that much harder to re-raise that same money.
Carla Howell elected executive director…good.
Approval voting….bad.
@126 The $600,000.00 price difference might allow for adding some cab fare into the budget.
Tom Knapp wrote (@126):
Oops… sorry, I should have known better. I’m too used to “metro” in the other context around here.
@128 Perhaps they will eventually spell her name correctly. Perhaps she has changed her name.
@125 Your place is a perhaps large block from Duke Street. I was unable to determine street numbers on Duke, so it may be far away from the place they did not buy.
@130. For more bad news, see @127.
Congrats to Carla Howell!
I pity whoever our presidential nominee is. A database transition during a presidential election will be bad news.
Agenda modified to allow Frank Atwood to present on Approval Voting (in order to catch a flight). Passed.
Frank Atwood presenting now.
[email protected] now a valid email address.
Carla (Howell?) has just been hired as the new executive director. Motion passed 14 yea 2 nay
Applause.
Chuck@105,
When I say “the DC metro,” I’m referring to the Washington DC Metropolitan Area, not to whatever mass transit service they might have.
The property I was referring to is within a block or so of a bus stop, but doesn’t seem to be on a train line.
Donny @110,
I was wrong — the property isn’t $349k, it’s $299k for 3,122 square feet at Place One, 5500 Holmes Run Parkway. Here’s the listing.
George,
No. See @55 for today’s agenda. That’s next after the budget vote. . .
Budget vote —
13 aye, 4 nay Budget proposal has passed.
1:25 left. 5 minute break announced.
Joe, many thanks for keeping track of all this. Was there any decision made on a new Executive Director yet?
George — if I remember the ppt form yesterday, this is to offer each affiliate a commonly branded website, with an easy way of entering information about members, with a system for porting the current data at LPHQ into it, as well as various methods for gathering state membership info from their wide variety of data bases with a goal of one master easy to use database and with a way to keep state websites going when local volunteers come and go, etc.
Claim that 22 state organizations were asking for this through the state association
Budget vote about to happen . . .
Vote on amending the motion to expend funds on conditions including 2/3rds paid on completion on comprehensive technical specifications, 1/3rd on completion of project.
Roll call asked for
passed (I could not hear, perhaps 12 to 5?)
Now moving to vote on spending $50,000 for this IT project . . .
10 to 7. Motion passed.
Now included in budget proposal.
The $50,000 on web support is to develop software for a web site?
Motion to extend the debate just failed
I believe Dr. Phillies posted an address in the October open thread of a proposed building… if that address is correct then it’s this one…
http://www.weichert.com/28639703/
I left out the word proposed above. Should have read —
Amendment proposed and seconded to award the proposed budgeted amount in various payments rather than all up front . . . Discussion continuing.
Debate on the affiliate support proposal (apparently mostly unified state (and county) party websites and database integration) extended for 10 minutes.
Amendment proposed to award the budgeted amount in various payments rather than all up front . . .
The affiliate support line item budget issue (a proposed $50,0000), apparently relates to the powerpoint presentation yesterday (and which is on the agenda for the last item to be discussed today).
Donny,
>>It’s also silly because the future of The Watergate itself is in doubt. <<
My sense (for what that's worth) is that those opposed to a building today, are not intending to rent for more than another year or two. Perhaps at the Watergate or elsewhere, and that they imagine (again my impression), being in a building within less than 4 more years (and probably not sooner than 18 months to 2 years) . . .
That's just my impression . . .
New line item for affiliate support proposed, seconded, moving to discussion.
Apparently an affiliate support line item already exists.
Also may be out of order for committee to add line items to the proposed budget . . .
Joe @109,
It’s also silly because the future of The Watergate itself is in doubt. The proposed location is within walking distance of a Metro station, and one accessed quicker for George Mason students. There are also several nearby hotel options for visitors and LNC members.
Tom @102,
Where is Alexandria was the $349K property? (I live about five minutes from the proposed property.)
BTW — my opinion on the building issue. It seems to me to make perfect sense to buy a modest headquarters building now. If the party grows additional space could be leased and/or new employees hired on a telecommuting basis. If that building could not be sold later due to some sort of feared crash, AND we grow, then a larger building could be purchased, with the modest building used for some LP purpose. Paying rent without end seems insane. AND I believe a building would be a solid fundraising cause, and not have created the acrimony and discord likely to result from what occurred earlier today.
Mr. Root seems confident in his ability to raise money to buy the building outright. I hope he and a team of former presidential candidates and other Libertarian Stars that he has proposed, is able to do that. But I also know personally, I would, for example, be more likely to contribute to a specific building proposal and/or paying down a mortgage, rather than giving money now for some building that might be found later . . .
Discussion continues around various budget items. Some concern a moment a go that they might need to go back into an executive session if the debate continued (apparently regarding paid staff) . . . Our likely new executive director is sharing her insights into the budget line items now.
George — my guess is they will still be going at 5pm. The limiting factor (or so it seems to me) will be the point at which they lose a quorum due to members leaving for the airport. Frank from Colorado — another visitor, is patiently waiting with the hope of being able to present the benefits of Approval Voting. He just shared his need to leave the meeting room by 4:30pm (with me, not the committee).
Various relatively minor (seemingly so to me) amendments to the budget, mostly regarding ballot access. Motion just passed requiring 2/3rds majority of executive committee to change amount spent on ballot access (at least that’s my impression of what that motion involved). Chair expressed his disappointment in the committee when that passed, was asked to apologize, and then offered his apologies for his day-long disappointment in the committee (beginning, apparently, with the failure of the motion to purchase the building) . . .
(FYI — If I find myself in a position to be making these kinds of updates in the future, I’ll come a bit more prepared — including a list of who is who, and who on the LNC is sitting where around the table . . .)
Current discussion around the reliability of income estimates from the upcoming convention.
@104
Joe,
Many thanks.
Any indication of how late they will run before they quit?
George
Tom Knapp wrote (@102):
The place they settled on (after touring several possibilities) was in Alexandria.
As for the metro issue… There is a broad metro that includes both buses and trains (subway in the city parts), but the convenient metro most people mean is the train stops. There are DC metro stops in Alexandria. Some areas of Alexandria are deemed to be metro accessible because they are very close to metro (train) stations. Others are deemed to be not metro accessible because they are not close to metro (train) stations. Being close to a metro stop both carries a large price premium and was deemed an essential requirement for the office.
So it’s possible the $350k place you found was not metro accessible. It’s also possible there would have been some other problem with it. But I would hope the building committee did enough investigation to not miss much cheaper properties in Alexandria / Arlington that would have met our needs.
2:00 PM– Executive session has ended. Bill Redpath presenting on ballot access strategy. George — part of exec session was ballot access, part EPCC report, not sure what else. Thomas — New Vision report had something to do with (at least beginning with) an analysis of the activities of the paid staff.
Budget discussion has begun. ppt being presented now has Watergate level rent included, rather than the other version which had assumed mortgage payments rather than rent (the later version was apparently the one put in the binders).
@99 Did they mention what the executive session is about?
@85, @88,
$900k for 3000 square feet does seem kind of high.
Googling awhile back, I saw a 3,700 square foot office, 1st floor of a tower, with small conference room and access to shared larger one for, IIRC, $349k. It’s down the street a bit (Alexandria), but that’s still in the DC Metro, right?
Does anyone know what the New Vision Committee is all about, or is it posted somewhere?
Thank you.
Thanks commenting on the meeting, Joe!
12:15 AM 10 yes, 4 no, 4 abstentions for motion to direct the staff to follow the directions of the New Visions committee’s requests for information. Motion passed.
25 minute break for members to check out of hotel and eat lunch . . . Next up is Executive session.
It’ll be awhile before I get back online.
Various discussions regarding how much time staff has to provide various kinds of information to New Visions committee . . . Is this a path toward micromangement? and the like.
I have an old vision. Get the issues section of the damn web site up to date!
Redpath amendment passes, goals passes. Dan Karlan now presenting on New Visions . . .
Discussion on the value and limitations of goals continues. Stories of Steve Jobs and others being shared. Organizational behavior 101? Bill Redpath moves to add a goal of 1,000,000 votes for US House, 200 candidates for House, (unclear) number of elected Libertarians, 46 states for Presidential ticket ballot access . . . Time is up, question (I think) about to be called. . . .
Chuck — Asking around I think that may be part of the “restructure affiliate support” at the end of the day — the followup to yesterday’s powerpoint presentation.
Okay, I must have misunderstood.
Re-reading I think the person was saying that he thinks they have the votes to do this later in the meeting. Sorry for the confusion.
Chuck — “The LNC is now considering a motion to revamp the database again — in a short time span with no requirements, design, or transition plan.”
I’ve not seen this — not part of the open discussion in the room I am in.
11:10 AM — Secretary reading goals suggested by Dr. Lark . . . regarding membership, affiliates, bylaws of affiliates being present at LPHQ, raise $500,000 by May 1 2012, new and revised outreach literature, etc . . .
I am getting text messages from frustrated LNC members.
Also, if they do nothing but budget, they run out of time now.
$900,000 counting moving costs, not to mention being in the DC vicinity, is bone headed.
@86 Are you there? You seem to be seeing news that we are not?
OH MY GOD.
The dysfunctionality continues. The LNC is now considering a motion to revamp the database again — in a short time span with no requirements, design, or transition plan. This will truly be a clusterfuck, as those familiar with the LNC’s past forays into completely overhauling databases know.
George Phillies wrote (@82):
No it is not. This would result in a lower monthly payment than rent, the down payment is coming from donors who would not have donated it for other things, and in 10 years we would have had a building without needing to pay rent or a mortgage after that leaving more money for other things. DC area real estate prices have been much more stable than other areas of the country because DC continues to grow.
Mark Rutherford on twitter:
He apparently thinks you can centrally plan donations. Meaning he thinks that $230,000 the LNC is giving back to donors will now be spent on Libertarian campaigns.
This is a gross misunderstanding of the way donors think. It’s the same wrongheaded assumption that causes some to think you can raise $1 million for a state representative campaign by not running a presidential candidate.
The reality is people donate for their own reasons. Limiting their choice by removing a possible vehicle for donations does not mean that they will then funnel those donations to your pet project. Instead most people will either donate to something completely different or (more likely) buy something for themselves.
As for myself, the $2,500 I pledged to the building will now be spent conventioneering to make sure these guys are not re-elected to the LNC.
10:53 AM Discussion about skipping lunch and having some food brought in. . . . A volunteer from the audience is going out for food to keep the committee working . . . A quorum is present.
10:55 AM Dr. Lark presents motion regarding more rapid approval of minutes for posting to members . . .
Secretary presents amendment regarding executive committee minutes from 14 days down to 7 days for both members and staff. Seconded and without objection amendment passed.
Dr. Lark’s motion passed without objection.
10:58 AM number of people wanting sandwiches being counted. Committee will work through lunch.
Spending close to $900,000 on a 3000 — round number — square foot building is even more boneheaded. The money was raised under the pretense that the LNC had approved raising it, a statement whose accuracy seems to have been disputed by LNC members. After all, if that money was out there, it was out there for spending on something intelligent.
@77 Readers should note that they can currently obtain the delegate list to the last two national conventions if, say, they are candidates for the LNC. Delegates for the next convention are just being chosen.
Sorry George, I didn’t refresh and missed your prior comments about the number of votes required. Waiting for members to return from (apparently) attempting to get later check out times from the hotel.
I happen to like Barr. He’s a good guy. He ran for president much too soon (should have waited a cycle or two while his positions trended more libertarian), his campaign staff was terrible (headed by some people who weren’t libertarians and fleeced him for money), and the decision to piss off Ron Paul was a very bad move, but that doesn’t mean I have something against Barr himself.
BTW: It’s my understanding that the building purchase decision would have required a 2/3rds vote (meaning at least 12 in favor here today) . . . A quorum doesn’t appear to be present to reconvene at this time . . .
@76,
Pretty boneheaded. If you have $180k in hand toward buying a building, you should find a way to buy a fucking building.
I just requested the delegates list. There will be a mailing, literature at the convention, and more so the delegates know about that certain members of the LNC decided to reject $230,000 in donations, avoid purchasing real estate in the lowest interest rate conditions we’ll see for decades, and instead return to a high rent building in a terrible state of disrepair.
@71 More boneheaded than recruiting Barr, which of course they did not do on camera, though the ringleader boasted of it afterward?
The building needed a two-thirds affirmative vote, of which there has been no sign for the past month. The rescission was of a motion passed when the LNC thought staying in the Watergate would cost an even larger fortune than it does now.
Readers who want the back story can see it all in Liberty for America magazine, the latest issue being printed as I type.
10:37 AM 5 minute break
10:35 Motion to allow chair and staff to seek extension of Watergate lease (at least I think that’s what it was) passes 16 to 1.
10:27 AM — Motion to rescind the following prior motion for (the chair and staff directed to negotiate and enter into a new 3 year lease (with three properties named in order of preference), . . . $9.00 per sq foot . . . (could not hear all of motion). passes 17 to (unclear).
10:30 motion to suspend the rules for 10 minutes to discuss possible extension of lease with Watergate . . .
This is the most boneheaded thing I’ve ever seen the LNC do. And they’ve done a lot of boneheaded things.
I’m going to spend the money I was going to donate to the building getting these guys off the LNC in convention.
@68 Many thanks for the rapid news coverage.
Sigh.
10:21 Vote on motion to approve purchase of building (with terms explicated too fast for me to copy involving purchase price, interest, amortization, balloon payment, and payments) fails 8 to 10
@65 Many thanks for your hard work covering this.
10:15 Motion to extend debate on building for another 5 more minutes made, seconded and passed.
10:10 Motion to extend debate on building for 5 more minutes made, seconded and passed.
Discussion regarding wisdom of buying now with relatively low down payment, and balloon in 10 years; verses 2 more years in Watergate while raising total purchase price.
9:50 AM Motion to purchase the building made and seconded.
George and all . . . . looks like they’re getting real work done to me.
Not sure I’ll be able to past a roll call but I will try — very hard to hear names, acoustics are very soft here.
Discussion on building motion is ongoing . . .
George and all . . . . looks like they’re getting real work done to me. Not sure I’ll be able to do roll call — very hard to hear names, acoustics very soft here, discussion on building motion ongoing . . .
9:33 AM Membership levels proposal passes 14 to 4, will be implemented in July (after the convention) although some elements may be implemented earlier, staff resources depending, and some implemented during the convention.
9:35 AM -Building report $229,500 for building fund total; $86,100 in pledges; cash $143,400. Will have 183,400 cash on hand if vote is yes today.
Motion to purchase building (and rescind all prior motions regarding leases) made and seconded. (Secretary working on exact best wording for this motion . . .)
@56 Do you believe in miracles?
The budget is the most important thing the LNC does, more or less.
Is it apparent what they did with the Executive Director or the building?
I’m particularly concerned about the votes on headquarters and the executive director. Hopefully someone can post the roll calls for those.
Thanks, Joe! I hope you’ll be able to liveblog more of what’s going on!
What’s the over/under on the LNC completing their agenda today?
Joe Buchman here again, have Internet in the room thanks to my Andriod phone working as a modem for my Thinkpad and a 3-G signal. Also proudly wearing the 1992 Marrou for President button (won in the auction last night). . . 🙂
9:09 AM call to order
Recognition of 40 years, gratitude expressed to everyone in the room by Dr. Lark and committee.
Membership Support Levels (report currently being presented . . . )
3 concerns from staff — cost, various headers on various letters, 10 levels, $25 to $1,500 for life membership ($1,000 in 1991 equals about $1,500 today).
Current discussion on number of levels . . .
Rest of Agenda for today (some folks will be leaving at 1pm or so) . . .
Headquarters
Minutes Approval
LNC goals
New Visions
Executive session — ballot access, etc.
EPCC report (not sure if this was public or in executive session).
Open Ballot Access
Voting on Budget
Executive Director Position
LNCC contract revised
Regulate Marijuana Like Wine
Approval Voting
Restructure Affiliate Support
Closing
@ 53, the convention hotel seems calculated to price out povertarians, who tend to be left-leaning radicals rather than Republican Lite Root fans.
No Internet access in the LNC meeting room today.
I’m told it would have cost another $300 plus a $200 hookup fee (in addition to yesterday’s $300).
These fees really make me worried about the convention hotel.
re 50. Common Branding? I am not particularly fond of the national site we have today. The issues section is not up front and most of it is out of date or contradicts other goals. I certainly don’t think this is a good idea given past history.
@29 Joe, did the LNC actually do anything in public? Buy a building? Hire an office manager? Approve the use of #1 pencils by the staff?
@ 29 proposal to provide states with CRM based websites at relatively low cost with common branding across state affiliate sites.
“Common branding”? As in what language, slogans, and buzz words to use on all sites? And which issues to highlight?
If so, who decides what that “brand” will be for all 50 states? The LNC?
Sounds like the LNC is advocating a top-down authoritarian model, with little room for state affiliates to highlight their own issues, and create their own images.
I hope every state LP will be able to determine the final look & feel of their websites. Some may not desire a Republican Lite appearance. They may prefer something more attractive to a Leftist audience.
Event and dedication to Mr. Nolan was nicely done tonight.
Blanton you been watchin’ too many movies. 😉
Birthday party/David Nolan memorial has just ended. I bought an Andre Marrou button for $21.00. . . . Really terrific BBQ, cake was a bit disappointing. Fun video of past 40 years including early clips of interviews with past Presidential Candidates — Hospers, Marrou on Larry King, Ron Paul at his best, and a congressional candidate with a “give them the third finger” ad . . .
I’m now out of grading deadline hell, and will, if no one else is doing it, try to give issue by issue updates tomorrow. (Oh, and as expected, today’s ran long, almost to the start of the BBQ.)
Thanks for the straight poop, Nikky.
I’m thinking I’ll rent a big ass convertible and head down there. I’ll see if I can find the American Dream in Vegas. Maybe I’ll bring my attorney along in case there’s any trouble.
In order to find the answer to this question – “Will the LP hire rent-a-cops to break up brawls instead of calling in the cops every time there is a fist fight?” I challenge Marc Montoni to an exhibition brawl in the parking lot on Friday night!
If the hookup you’re looking for is sports betting, you don’t need Wayne, most casinos have sports books.
May is generally pretty hot, so you shouldn’t have any problem wearing shorts.
Dunno about the open carry laws in Vegas,but no guns in casinos.
Casinos do give free drinks to players.
So, I’m curious about what the scene is like in Vegas.
Are the cheap hookers classy or are they skanky?
Is the dope over-priced?
Can Wayne hook you up with some action? If so, does he charge or is it a big rip-off?
Does the hotel have a good parking deck where you can park a van and crash there?
Is it OK to open carry in Vegas?
Do the casinos still comp you liquor?
What’s the weather like there in May? Will it be warm enough for Bermuda shorts and flip-flops?
Will the LP hire rent-a-cops to break up brawls instead of calling in the cops every time there is a fist fight?
Liberty for America is out.
The acreage of odd ideas from the LNC is astonishing.
Please read carefully Alicia Mattson’s most excellent time line in the issue, which will be up on the web site soon.
Then ask yourself why the tactics she describes are not fraud.
So did they actually do anything today?
Last time I was there one place that stole my heart was Chicken of the Angels fast food and religious outreach all in one.
Can wait to get back.
It is sure to be a fun convention! Vegas is one of my favorite places to visit.
FYI Joe – Yes, the Red Rock is beautiful. 4 Star I believe. You will find the same facilities are available elsewhere in town for a third the cost.
Paulie — VEGAS is TWICE as much fun when you’re in town! 🙂
Also — IMO this is an excellent choice of venue for the convention in May — beautiful facility, plenty of parking, good food with lots of options, IMAX and standard movie theater, bowling alley, swimming pool and great convention hall, etc, etc
I’m told staff reports started at around 3:30 pm PST.
George — You’re welcome. The discussion re the budget and agenda as I recall it from this morning was to have it at 4pm, for 90 minutes but with room to go late today if needed (BBQ is at 7pm), and time to think overnight with more first thing tomorrow.
I wish I’d paid more attention to the CRM and website software. It’ll be in the ppt if that gets posted. The reps from California are already doing something similar, but with different software . . . just don’t remember the details.
Thanks for the updates everyone. Wish I could have been there,
-p
Note that the 2012 budget is at the extreme bottom, almost, of the agenda. Will it get extended consideration? Will it get any consideration? Or will the LNC duplicate its 2001 feat of noticing they had no time, and as the phrase goes ‘punting’ on the exercise.
From what I’ve heard through other channels, it’s based on CiviCRM.
Did they happen to say what kind of CRM software they would want to go with, or if it’d be something they would build in-house?
@29 Have fun in grading hell. My final is Wednesday, so I will spend the end of the week grading myself. And thanks for your coverage effort.
>>I’m told there is a 45 minute LSLA presentation going on now.<<<
Good presentation on a proposal to provide states with CRM based websites at relatively low cost with common branding across state affiliate sites. Some projector and other technical problems . . . but overall well done.
I've left the meeting to meet my deadlines for grading papers for my online classes. Will attend the BBQ tonight.
27 I’m glad you figured that one out.
George Phillies-The #1 naysayer in The Libertarian Party. I am sure things would be so much better had you been elected chair.
I’m told the LSLA presentation is an IT proposal. Apparently the PowerPoint presentation will be available after the meeting (maybe sooner).
Chuck Moulton wrote (@23):
George Phillies wrote (@24):
That was speculation on my part, George.
Though I have heard some bad things about the convention hotel. The figures for the cost of wi-fi seemed unbelievably high. (I won’t repeat the amounts in case I was misinformed.) I hope that’s something that will be clarified.
@23 This is the convention hotel? And people cannot do video coverage of events?
It’s possible that the hotel blocks the ports streamed video would go through.
The live video is a no go for now. The webcam doesn’t seem to be recognized by justin.tv or uStream or other such places. David Blau tried his best, but he’s giving up to pay attention to the meeting. During breaks he may try working on the feed again.
I’m told there is a 45 minute LSLA presentation going on now.
Of course, the LNC may have been tied up discussing what a number of LNC members felt was inappropriate conduct by the National Chair towards the rest of the LNC.
It will all be covered in the next issue of Liberty for America.
Chuck Moulton–making things happen from afar.
Joe, David Blau of Massachusetts said he wrote down the amendments and can lend you his copy to type up and to transcribe on your own agenda.
George — I understand Carla is here in the building and will be part of the meetings later.
Chuck — the revised agenda appears to be only in the hands of the chair and secretary — lots of revisions were made. Not sure I’ll be able to post it, or that it hasn’t been revised further in the executive session — I’ll post more as I can and once the public meeting starts again.
Lunch Break — 45 minutes. Public session when they resume. I’ll try to answer all the other questions here then.
Also–for those who are there, can any of you email me when/if this man speaks and give me some very specific details on what he says/how the session replies?
@12, Joe, do you know the name of the NV campaign manager? Is it his state director Jared Lord?
Thanks! Either email the amendments to me or post them as a comment. Email is probably easier in case I have questions though.
@12 Joe, thanks for the update.
Guantanamo Gary sent his NV campaign manager? I think I’m impressed. I’m not sure which way.
Chuck,
I didn’t keep track of them . . . there were quite a few. Looks like the executive session is going till the lunch break — at least. If I can get a copy over lunch I’ll send them to you. Would you like that by email or just posted here.
FYI I count exactly a dozen people in the hall waiting for the executive session to end, plus two children. Among the 12 waiting is the Nevada campaign manager for Gary Johnson . . .. I don’t recognize any of the others off hand.
Hey, Joe! Thanks for the update!
Do you happen to have a copy of the agenda with amendments to it written down? I would like to post the amendments here.
Chuck — it’s Joe Buchman (LP Candidate for US Congress, Utah’s First District, 2008).
They took about a 10 minute break in the executive session about 20 minutes ago. It’s still going on.
It’s a healthy 15 minute executive session. For very long minutes.
Did Carla Howell appear at the meeting, given that she was perhaps only appearing if her contract was approved, which it was not?
That’s a long (and I’m sure completely appropriate) executive session.
I’m told executive session is still going on.
Joe, can you please let us know when the executive session is over?
And out of curiosity, which Joe is this? Joe Silvestri?
It’s in executive session now. Some network problem with the video that was expected to be fixed. Not sure much is going to happen until after lunch. . .
The live feed should be up a little after 10 am (PST).
However the meeting has already started.
There is an early executive session though, which obviously would not have been broadcast even if the feed were already working. So we won’t be missing much.
Hopefully we will get to see the hiring an executive director open-session discussion.
Lavra wrote (@1):
Probably “Affiliate Support Committee”.
>Restructure ASC
What does ASC stand for?