“Effective immediately, the Libertarian Party of Seminole County affiliate to the Libertarian Party of Florida has been dissolved.” – https://lpflsc.org/
Orlando Sentinel: Goat sacrifice fallout: Seminole County Libertarian Party disbands
No one among the eight members of the Seminole County Libertarian Party’s executive committee present at the meeting offered to replace Menzel as chairman, and state laws require party affiliates to have a chair and a treasurer, according to Menzel. So they decided to disband, he said. […]
Both Leavitt and Menzel, who is also switching to the GOP, said they’ve been warmly welcomed to the Republican fold, but Menzel said he’s also received some flak from stalwart Libertarians.
“At this point there’s been a backlash from the Libertarian side. It’s disheartening for me because I feel like I let some people down,” Menzel said.
According to one local Libertarian, Seminole County has around 800 registered Libertarians, 300 of which are members of the county affiliate. They intend to re-caucus and elect new officers as soon as possible.
He usually plays some angle, or several.
Stone just tries to cause trouble, he doesn’t need a reason.
The Ames piece mentions a lot more stuff like that he has done throughout his life. You can find some of it in the other parts of the wikipedia article, or just do some research on his history.
““[I] built alliances and put all my serious challengers on my ticket. Then I recruited the most unpopular guy in the school to run against me. You think that’s mean? No, it’s smart.”[10]”
Wow! This certainly adds credence to the theory that Invictus is being put up to make Stone look more attractive as a candidate.
Granted, Mark Ames is a highly disreputable source, so take it with plenty of salt, but this helps explain what may be going on:
http://beforeitsnews.com/gold-and-precious-metals/2015/08/behind-the-scenes-of-the-donald-trump-roger-stone-show-2654434.html?currentSplittedPage=0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone#Youth_and_early_career
When he was a junior and vice president of the student government at a high school in northern Westchester County, New York, he manipulated the ouster of the president and succeeded him. Stone recalled how he ran for election as president for his senior year:
“[I] built alliances and put all my serious challengers on my ticket. Then I recruited the most unpopular guy in the school to run against me. You think that’s mean? No, it’s smart.”[10]
3. Maybe it has something to do with packing the national convention. I don’t know what yet.
Stone usually has several different angles like that.
2. Or, maybe, his mission is on behalf of the NSGOP to discredit the LP.
1. Make himself look more palatable by taking the heat off himself and putting it on the goat. If he wants to run for senate himself.
Several possibilities. I’ll do that one at a time because this thing keeps erasing my comment before I post it.
What would Stone gain from this?
“could it be a mere coincidence that Invictus is from the same city that the national convention will be in, and that the next LNC meeting just so happens to be in as well?”
Yes.
It does seem like a signature move of the sort Roger Stone is known for. That’s not proof, but could it be a mere coincidence that Invictus is from the same city that the national convention will be in, and that the next LNC meeting just so happens to be in as well?
Jill Pyeatt @ October 7, 2015 at 11:18 am
“The possibility that Invictus was sent in by Roger Stone, or other Republican operatives, seems more and more likely as the fall-out continues and Invictus stays.”
Nothing will stop some from speculating as the the motives of others as to why they do what they do. I rather think it would be better to look to the actions, words and deeds of the players.
“An Open Letter to Mr. Roger Stone” (a mere 4 minutes long)
https://youtu.be/vQd5WfmwYMg
Joe Wendt
“I see more people have left the LPF because they don’t want to play with people they don’t like. How mature. Instead of recruiting another candidate, they choose to take their ball and go home because someone has cooties. Rolling my eyes.”
Yeah, because you’d never do something like that.
In some instances, Mark, I have experienced some people who were disenfranchised with the Republican Party, came over to the Libertarian Party, saw that if they wanted to do anything, they would have to make it happen themselves, or at least put quite a bit of effort into making something happen.
In those cases, they chose to return to the place where someone else would do the work, and forget about how much they hated it there…..
Sincerely,
Steve Scheetz
How many of the LPF leaders who quit or left are really Republicans (perhaps Paulites, C4L, et alia) and how many have any real history in the LP?
I am not asking to be argumentative, as I truly do not know much about the inner workings of LPF.
And, you know, there have been a few people warning us about some of the LPF leaders over the last couple of years. I think many of us (myself included) saw their concerns as personal conflicts rather than real problems for the party. But, they’re looking more and more correct all the time.
As I see it, a few clowns took a footnote (Invictus) and blew him up into a chapter. Now, a few other clowns are trying to stretch that chapter into a whole book.
If you step down as Chairman and dissolve your affiliate over this, you were never serious about the LP anyway. So, I don’t see it as much of a loss. It just sucks that others will have to do extra work to re-start this affiliate.
The chairman of a county committee here in PA changed his registration to Republican. While there were extenuating circumstances i.e. his wife’s job at the county office was at stake, I saw it as an opportunity for others in his committee to step up. Their committee is still meeting, they have a new chair (the old secretary) and a new secretary. While I was state chairman, at the time, Their committee handled everything internally, I was simply notified along with the secretary so that we could update the records.
These things do not need to be complicated. If they are, then that makes this story so much more tragic.
Sincerely,
Steve Scheetz
I see more people have left the LPF because they don’t want to play with people they don’t like. How mature. Instead of recruiting another candidate, they choose to take their ball and go home because someone has cooties. Rolling my eyes.
Jill,
DITTO above, “He clearly doesn’t have the best interests of the party at heart.”
but like many in the Liberty movement, and you as well I suspect, I’m not sure I have the “interests of the Party at heart” either. I do have the interest of LIBERTY at heart, and of the LP to the degree it aligns itself with that. Sadly that degree is not, as best I can measure, 100 percent, or 90, or 80 . . There’s too much fear of loss, too timid a stance, too much protection of image.
How very sad.
The possibility that Invictus was sent in by Roger Stone, or other Republican operatives, seems more and more likely as the fall-out continues and Invictus stays.
Why wouldn’t he consider running as an independent? He clearly doesn’t have the best interests of the party at heart.
Florida State law is the same for all parties concerning what officers are needed to form an affiliate. I had always heard that the only officer required by state was a treasurer.
It was not properly noticed to the regular membership. I am hearing that there are several people who want to start it back up (I am talking to one of them and he said he is in touch with several others). However the funds were donated to charity and there may have been account(s) closed, a formal notice of dissolution to the state, etc. And those dissolutions/closings took place after the former officers switched their registration to Republican. So none of this was done properly.
“No one among the eight members of the Seminole County Libertarian Party’s executive committee present at the meeting offered to replace Menzel as chairman, and state laws require party affiliates to have a chair and a treasurer, according to Menzel. So they decided to disband, he said.”
To me that’s the saddest part of it. First you have this ridiculous state law, which all prevents any party outside the majors from forming. And to top it off out of eight other people, not one of them agreed to step up to be chairperson. What were you in politics for anyways?