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Jill Pyeatt is a small-business owner and jewelry designer from Southern California. She currently serves on the Judicial Committee of the Libertarian Party of CA. She can be found on Facebook and Twitter.
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David Blau has the skill sets, LP background, and professionalism to be solid as an At-Large member of the LNC. I worked with him one term. I am VERY impressed.
Probably shocking to some of you that thought I was some “key holder” or whatever– LOL.
I look at skill sets, team work, and results. David can deliver. Plus, he is young and represents the future of the LP. Put him in the game now.
GARY JOHNSON: The War Stops Here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk0fHhTU0kE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact:
Natalie Dicou
[email protected]
801-994-0321
Joe Hunter
[email protected]
801-303-7924
GOV. GARY JOHNSON’S NEW VIDEO:
“I’M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO
DOESN’T WANT TO BOMB IRAN”
Sept. 27, 2012, Santa Fe, NM – In a new video, Libertarian presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson states: “I’m the only candidate who doesn’t want to bomb Iran,” contrasting his non-interventionist policy with the “I’m tougher than you are” posturing of President Obama and Governor Romney.
The video, called “The War Stops Here,” also highlights Johnson’s pledge to immediately bring U.S. troops home from Afghanistan.
Releasing the video, Johnson said, “The recent murders in Libya, the ongoing attacks on our troops in Afghanistan, and the growing anti-American demonstrations across Africa and the Middle East make it clearer than ever that our foreign policy is not just failing to make us safer, but is actually endangering us.
“Yet, we have a President and a Republican challenger who are far more concerned about taking shots at one another than about the shots that are being fired at America by people on the other side of the globe. We toppled a dictator in Libya, albeit one who is missed by no one, and what do we get for our dollars and effort? An attack on our embassy. In Afghanistan, 10 years after we chased al Qaeda to the hills and to other nations, our troops are still there trying to build a nation that apparently doesn’t want to be built and having the very people we are trying to help turn around and attack our military.
“And from Egypt to Tunisia, the so-called Arab Spring our policies encouraged is sprouting blossoms that are not exactly pro-American.
“The American people deserve a debate about foreign policy, and frankly, there isn’t enough daylight between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on these issues to actually have a debate. When you cut through the campaign rhetoric, it is not at all clear that the Republican and the Democrat actually differ from one another in terms of what they are doing or propose to do.
“We need to get out of Afghanistan now. We need to turn off the foreign aid to ungrateful recipients. And we need to stop trying to impose our will and our values on peoples that don’t want them.”
Watch video above
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About presidential candidate Gary Johnson: Gary Johnson, two-term governor of New Mexico from 1995-2003, has been a consistent advocate for limited, efficient government and personal liberty. Johnson switched from the Republican Party to the Libertarian Party on Dec. 28, 2011. As the Libertarian Party nominee, Johnson will appear on all 50 states’ ballots. An outspoken pro-Constitution Libertarian, Johnson would end the war in Afghanistan now. He opposes the failed multi-billion dollar war on drugs and demands greater transparency at the Federal Reserve. As president, Johnson would cut federal spending by 43 percent, slash debt and make government live within its means while reducing taxes and regulation to foster real job creation and economic opportunity like he did in eight years as governor. The National Review said he was “#1” in job creation as governor. An avid skier and bicyclist, he has reached the highest peaks on four of the seven continents, including Mount Everest.
Gary Johnson: Peace is cheaper – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh4dU9QNPU8&feature=relmfu
“I heard two Gary Johnson radio ads today!”
“I’m jealous, my husband heard one of Gov. Johnson’s radio spots.”
Friends,
These are the kinds of messages we want to hear – and we’re hearing them!
Thanks to your financial support, more and more voters every day are hearing Gov. Johnson’s message over the airwaves on their way to work or during their favorite talk show. And those radio ads are having a very real effect. The crowds at Governor Johnson’s events are growing, our phones are ringing more than ever, and in key states across the country, his poll numbers are gaining.
With only 42 days left before Election Day and many voters already beginning to receive their ballots in the mail, the American people are beginning to really focus on the choice they have to make in the Presidential Election – and the polls continue to show that a great many of them are not very comfortable with either the Democrat Obama or the Republican Romney.
That’s why our advertising is so critical right now, and why we must keep it on the air. You can do just that by going to http://www.garyjohnson2012.com today and making a contribution that will buy one, two, three or more radio spots in a key swing state or on a popular talk show. We are on the air today because of those contributions, and we must stay on the air.
As the other side of the globe erupts in anti-American protests and violence – voters are looking for a candidate who pledges to bring our troops and our dollars home. As the Fed pumps more devalued dollars into an economy already stimulated to death, voters are looking for a candidate who will turn off the printing presses and protect our dollars from becoming worthless.
And as Barack Obama and Mitt Romney flood the airwaves with negative attacks on one another, Americans are looking for a candidate who is worried about their jobs – not just getting a job for himself. That candidate is Gov. Johnson, and our challenge is to make sure those voters know it!
That is precisely what your contribution at http://www.garyjohnson2012.com will do.
The Republicans and Democrats are doing their best to silence Gov. Johnson. They know voters will respond when they learn of his record, his plans, and his vision of an America where Liberty is safe. That’s why they are still working to keep him off the ballot, and why they are determined to keep him out of their debates. But we have you, and thousands like you across the country, who won’t let that happen.
42 days. That is how much time we have. Let’s make it count, and that begins with having the funds we must have to keep Gov. Johnson on the air, the yard signs going up in neighborhoods, and the bumper stickers going on cars. Please go to http://www.garyjohnson2012.com today and keep us on a path to make history in November.
Your support has brought us a very long way. The next few weeks will be exciting, challenging – and historic.
Thank you,
Ron Nielson
Senior Advisor
Gov. Gary Johnson
P.S. Governor Johnson is halfway through his nationwide tour of college campuses. Everywhere he goes, young people are signing up to help. Your contribution will help us reach out to even more of them! Go to http://www.garyjohnson2012.com.
Live On-line Town Hall …
90 Minute Q&A with Gov. Gary Johnson!
Tuesday, October 2, 2012
6 PM PDT/ 9 PM EDT
I will be hosting an on-line Town Hall – and I hope you will join me. I am anxious to hear your views and answer any questions you might have.
The next few weeks are going to be exciting – and historic. You are a part of that history, and it is important that we stay in close touch. This on-line Town Hall will be an excellent opportunity.
This town hall will be featured on Vokle.com. To ask questions via video or text, simply sign into your Facebook account or sign up for a Vokle account. If you just want to watch the town hall, go to GaryJohnson2012.com.
Again, go to GaryJohnson2012.com Tuesday evening for what I am sure will be a great discussion.
Hope to see you on-line!
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Salt Lake City Town Hall with Gov. Gary Johnson
Not everyone in Utah is voting for Mitt Romney!
All Gary Johnson supporters in the Salt Lake City area are invited to a town hall with Gov. Johnson on Tuesday, October 2nd at 7:00 pm MDT. The town hall will be streamed live during the Vokle online town hall. Following the town hall, Gov. Johnson will meet supporters and sign books. The Salt Lake City town hall will take place at:
Challenger School
1325 S. Main Street
Salt Lake City, UT
See you there!
GARY JOHNSON: The War Stops Here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk0fHhTU0kE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact:
Natalie Dicou
[email protected]
801-994-0321
Joe Hunter
[email protected]
801-303-7924
GOV. GARY JOHNSON’S NEW VIDEO:
“I’M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO
DOESN’T WANT TO BOMB IRAN”
Sept. 27, 2012, Santa Fe, NM – In a new video, Libertarian presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson states: “I’m the only candidate who doesn’t want to bomb Iran,” contrasting his non-interventionist policy with the “I’m tougher than you are” posturing of President Obama and Governor Romney.
The video, called “The War Stops Here,” also highlights Johnson’s pledge to immediately bring U.S. troops home from Afghanistan.
Releasing the video, Johnson said, “The recent murders in Libya, the ongoing attacks on our troops in Afghanistan, and the growing anti-American demonstrations across Africa and the Middle East make it clearer than ever that our foreign policy is not just failing to make us safer, but is actually endangering us.
“Yet, we have a President and a Republican challenger who are far more concerned about taking shots at one another than about the shots that are being fired at America by people on the other side of the globe. We toppled a dictator in Libya, albeit one who is missed by no one, and what do we get for our dollars and effort? An attack on our embassy. In Afghanistan, 10 years after we chased al Qaeda to the hills and to other nations, our troops are still there trying to build a nation that apparently doesn’t want to be built and having the very people we are trying to help turn around and attack our military.
“And from Egypt to Tunisia, the so-called Arab Spring our policies encouraged is sprouting blossoms that are not exactly pro-American.
“The American people deserve a debate about foreign policy, and frankly, there isn’t enough daylight between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on these issues to actually have a debate. When you cut through the campaign rhetoric, it is not at all clear that the Republican and the Democrat actually differ from one another in terms of what they are doing or propose to do.
“We need to get out of Afghanistan now. We need to turn off the foreign aid to ungrateful recipients. And we need to stop trying to impose our will and our values on peoples that don’t want them.”
Watch video above
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About presidential candidate Gary Johnson: Gary Johnson, two-term governor of New Mexico from 1995-2003, has been a consistent advocate for limited, efficient government and personal liberty. Johnson switched from the Republican Party to the Libertarian Party on Dec. 28, 2011. As the Libertarian Party nominee, Johnson will appear on all 50 states’ ballots. An outspoken pro-Constitution Libertarian, Johnson would end the war in Afghanistan now. He opposes the failed multi-billion dollar war on drugs and demands greater transparency at the Federal Reserve. As president, Johnson would cut federal spending by 43 percent, slash debt and make government live within its means while reducing taxes and regulation to foster real job creation and economic opportunity like he did in eight years as governor. The National Review said he was “#1” in job creation as governor. An avid skier and bicyclist, he has reached the highest peaks on four of the seven continents, including Mount Everest.
Gary Johnson: Peace is cheaper – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh4dU9QNPU8&feature=relmfu
“I heard two Gary Johnson radio ads today!”
“I’m jealous, my husband heard one of Gov. Johnson’s radio spots.”
Friends,
These are the kinds of messages we want to hear – and we’re hearing them!
Thanks to your financial support, more and more voters every day are hearing Gov. Johnson’s message over the airwaves on their way to work or during their favorite talk show. And those radio ads are having a very real effect. The crowds at Governor Johnson’s events are growing, our phones are ringing more than ever, and in key states across the country, his poll numbers are gaining.
With only 42 days left before Election Day and many voters already beginning to receive their ballots in the mail, the American people are beginning to really focus on the choice they have to make in the Presidential Election – and the polls continue to show that a great many of them are not very comfortable with either the Democrat Obama or the Republican Romney.
That’s why our advertising is so critical right now, and why we must keep it on the air. You can do just that by going to http://www.garyjohnson2012.com today and making a contribution that will buy one, two, three or more radio spots in a key swing state or on a popular talk show. We are on the air today because of those contributions, and we must stay on the air.
As the other side of the globe erupts in anti-American protests and violence – voters are looking for a candidate who pledges to bring our troops and our dollars home. As the Fed pumps more devalued dollars into an economy already stimulated to death, voters are looking for a candidate who will turn off the printing presses and protect our dollars from becoming worthless.
And as Barack Obama and Mitt Romney flood the airwaves with negative attacks on one another, Americans are looking for a candidate who is worried about their jobs – not just getting a job for himself. That candidate is Gov. Johnson, and our challenge is to make sure those voters know it!
That is precisely what your contribution at http://www.garyjohnson2012.com will do.
The Republicans and Democrats are doing their best to silence Gov. Johnson. They know voters will respond when they learn of his record, his plans, and his vision of an America where Liberty is safe. That’s why they are still working to keep him off the ballot, and why they are determined to keep him out of their debates. But we have you, and thousands like you across the country, who won’t let that happen.
42 days. That is how much time we have. Let’s make it count, and that begins with having the funds we must have to keep Gov. Johnson on the air, the yard signs going up in neighborhoods, and the bumper stickers going on cars. Please go to http://www.garyjohnson2012.com today and keep us on a path to make history in November.
Your support has brought us a very long way. The next few weeks will be exciting, challenging – and historic.
Thank you,
Ron Nielson
Senior Advisor
Gov. Gary Johnson
P.S. Governor Johnson is halfway through his nationwide tour of college campuses. Everywhere he goes, young people are signing up to help. Your contribution will help us reach out to even more of them! Go to http://www.garyjohnson2012.com.
Missed that this was Dean’s race. More power to him!
There’s a Libertarian running also.
http://www.ahmadforussenate.info/
Perhaps-interesting three-man race:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/md/maryland_senate_bongino_vs_cardin-3236.html
The independent and the Rpublican are about tid at 20% each; the incumbent is at about 50%
Just maybe, just maybe building a LP organization the past 5 years is starting to pay off. Giving something for the LP candidates to stand upon in Ohio. Relentless perseverance and pushing the libertarian message forward in a manner that is understood by the general population of Ohio. And standing up to the corporate political parties, especially the one that tries to get us kicked off the ballot.
Gary Johnson hits 10% in Gravis Marketing Ohio Poll
http://race42012.com/2012/09/25/poll-watch-gravis-marketingcapitol-correspondent-ohio-2012-presidential-survey/
@BAN comments
AnthonyD Says:
September 26th, 2012 at 11:46 am
What does this mean for the LP? 49 states plus D.C.? Missing out on only Michigan?
Gene Berkman Says:
September 26th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Anthony D – probably 48 plus DC. It does not look like Oklahoma or Michigan will have Gary Johnson on the ballot, but write-ins will be allowed in Michigan.
Richard Winger Says:
September 26th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
There is even some hope for Michigan. The federal court is being asked to order Michigan to let straight-ticket votes for the Libertarian Party be counted. That solves the problem that the ballots are already printed or being printed. People that want to vote for Gary Johnson could just pull the Libertarian straight-ticket device, and if there is some race other than president that that voter wants to vote for a non-Libertarian, he or she is free to have both used the straight-ticket device and then voted separately for that one particular other race.
For a change, the existence of a straight-ticket device might be useful for a minor party.
http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/26/pennsylvania-statewide-libertarian-petition-checking-process-determines-that-libertarians-have-enough-valid-signatures/
The Pennsylvania line-by-line petition-checking process for the statewide Libertarian Party petition has been proceeding this week, just as it has for each of the two previous weeks. On September 26, enough signtures had been validated by the adversarial process so that the petition now has the needed 20,601 valid signatures. Furthermore, there are still some signatures to go through the process.
It appears that the only possible method for the statewide candidates to be removed from the ballot now would be a ruling from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, reversing the Commonwealth Court on whether certain signatures are invalid. The Commonwealth Court had ruled that signatures of voters are valid if that signer moved since re-registering and signed with the new address, whereas the old address is still on the voter registration rolls. This ruling only pertains to voters who move within the county, not voters who move to another county. Assuming the Pennsylvania Supreme Court approves this ruling, or takes no action, then the statewide Libertarians are on the ballot.
The only other parties on the ballot for statewide offices are Democratic, Republican, and Green, and the Green Party petition only listed a presidential and vice-presidential nominee; there are no Greens running for U.S. Senate or the other statewide offices. By contrast, the Libertarian petition nominated candidates for U.S. Senate, Attorney General, and Treasurer.
BAN is now reporting that the LP of PA has now validated enough signatures for ballot access!
Interesting editiorial
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/gop-third-party_b_1909644.html
The Republicans have reduced themselves to third party status, the party of 1%. But we should let third party candidates into the debates. Jill Stein. Gary Johnson. Even Mitt Romney.
He’s a very nice guy, personable, friendly, enthusiastic, but:
“From: David E. Blau, Esq.
Date: Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:11 PM
To: LNC Discussion
All:
As September draws to a close and the campaign season enters its final weeks, I am reminded that our next major goal after winning the election is to move out of the Watergate into some place more affordable. “
The last of LNC candidate statements (as of people who have already applied) – hopefully it will be its own article soon.
This candidate, David Blau, is reportedly one of the top two in the race, along with Mark Hinkle. I have more than one source on this.
Other than that, I am aware of having one vote for me (Starchild’s) and beyond that I know nothing.
1600 BEACON ST. 402, BROOKLINE, MA 02446
PHONE 617-396-4253 ?E-MAIL [email protected]
DAVID E. BLAU
POSITION SOUGHT
At Large Representative on the Libertarian National Committee.
SUMMARY OF QUALIFICATIONS
I am a current member of the Libertarian National Committee, with 15 months of experience in the body. I have not missed a meeting during that time. I know what is expected of LNC members, and I will fully commit to all of the financial, legal, and ethical responsibilities of the At Large position.
I believe that all people have the right to live their lives without coercion from others. I am socially tolerant and financially conservative.
I have several years experience leading a mid-size volunteer organization (over 400 members) and setting departmental policies from a goal-oriented perspective.
I am an attorney admitted to the bars of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the United States Patent and Trademark Office. I have studied election law, and taken continuing legal education on the topics of election administration, campaign finance laws, and lobbying.
I think both strategically and tactically, and I am very organized, but I am also not afraid to get my hands dirty with grassroots activism.
POLITICAL CHRONOLOGY & EXPERIENCE
May 2012 to present: Massachusetts Director, Gary Johnson / James Gray campaign. Ran successful drive to put these candidates on the Massachusetts ballot.
May 2011 to present: Regional Alternate, Libertarian National Committee. Chair, Headquarters Building Committee from March 2012. Member, Employment Policy and Compensation Committee from August 2011.
October 2008 to present: Chair, Libertarian Association of Massachusetts (LAMA). State delegation chair, Libertarian National Conventions in 2010 and 2012.
October 2007 to October 2008: Editor, Massachusetts Liberty (LAMA newsletter).
October 2007 to present: Member, LAMA State Committee.
January 2005 to May 2007: Member, Libertarian Party of Chicago.
Personally I find this Mediate column obnoxious and insulting to the Libertarian Party and I am not even a LP member. Plus he uses WAR as an example of how terrible the LP supposedly is (okay so that part doesn’t really bother me). However thought you all might find interesting-
http://www.mediaite.com/online/breitbart-writer-begs-libertarians-to-vote-romney-sorry-it-aint-going-to-work/
Thanks Paulie. FYI to everyone, Massachusetts isn’t the only state with this problem; most states won’t record write-ins from unregistered folks, which means the only reason to write in Ron Paul is for a warm fuzzy feeling. http://imgur.com/EF2bM
http://fpp.cc/2012/09/23/who-wins-an-exclusionary-debate/
The Presidential election is just over a month away. Which means the scripted shows known as Presidential Debates will soon be televised. Of course, these so-called debates will only present two of the two dozen Presidential Candidates, despite the fact that four candidates are on enough ballots to theoretically win the election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#Ballot_access_to_fewer_than_270_electoral_votes
Does anyone know where to find the list of valid write-in candidates for various states? I am voting in Massachusetts specifically.
Yes.
Also, Unstoppable Spam Parliamentarians.
@184 Is cfl even open for Party Losers Advocating Silliness?
crazyforliberty.com
Comment section is completely uncensored, even for spammers like you, as of the last time I checked.
I’ve told you before, so why are you back here?
Anybody know of any good free speech forums that aren’t being run by dick-tators?
Does anyone remember this: https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/01/a-listing-of-louisiana-party-registrants/#comment-791512 If anyone is interested, the Libertarian Party of Louisiana is sending letters and making phone calls to every registered as Lilbertarian, Libertain, and American’s Elect. Any thoughts?
If Paulie didn’t post Johnson vids in the open thread I might never get around to watching them. Go Paulie!
New Johnson Youtube Ad
@164 – not Andre Barnett, he’s a wrestler…dead ringer though!
Wayne did not solicit at the fundraiser. It was a friend of Ron Nielson’s from what I was told. It was announced at Wayne’s fundraiser but the person was not as far as I know even there.
100k has been documented as having come through in FEC reports.
I have been told through unofficial sources that 600-700k has materialized so far but has not made it into the available FEC reports yet.
Anyone remember the $1 million dollar donation that Wayne apparently solicited at his fundraiser?
Was this ever even confirmed?
http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/19/pew-research-center-poll-asks-voters-if-they-have-heard-of-gary-johnson-jill-stein-or-virgil-goode/
George Phillies likes to attack Romney, but he’s from MA, so its understandable. Some people have a preference for attacking Obama. Both deserve to be attacked, and so long as we aren’t forgetting to support Libertarian candidates in the end, have at it.
@171 Capital Gains are treated and taxed by the IRS as a form of income under the tax code. Different forms of income having different rules does not mean that capital gains is not considered income by the IRS and the Federal Government.
Wrong again Phillies. When you pay capital gains taxes, you file an income tax return. The more you parrot DNC talking points, the more foolish you seem.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/18/libertarian-super-pac-appeals-to-mainstr
Libertarian Super PAC Appeals To Mainstream, Radical LPers
@169 But they are the capital gains tax, not the income tax, and at a different rate. (And they are included in the 47%)
Here’s some actual news about independent politics:
Independent state legislator Richard Dee is urging his colleagues in Louisiana to call themselves into special session to combat the continuing series of power-grabs by Gov. Jindal — http://thedeadpelican.com/2012/HAWKS2.HTM
Capital gains are taxable income, it’s part of the standard income tax form
Ape Romney haters? Romney is a Republican, a detail you may have missed. He is therefore a prime target, as well as his sinking ship of a party. If he has plans to get US troops out of Afghanistan, they involve invading Iran, where he has more or less explicitly called for war.
@156 Thanks for sharing this gem. His blog used to have some hilarious comments with poor grammar, lots of capitalization and foul language left for anyone that dare criticize what he posted. It probably still does but I have not visited in some time.
Really George?!? You too? You really feel the need to restate his words in a form nearly identical to that which I have only seen only modern day liberals do so far?
From what well does your desire to ape the behavior of Romney haters spring?
Neither Romney nor Obama has any intent or desire to reign in US military overseas occupations which in my opinion implies a gross indifference to the respect that should be accorded to each and every human life. If a genetic and philosophical replica of The Simpson’s Montgomery Burns should get nominated for President in 2016 I would care not a whit for his opinions or quotes on “moochers” (a word not actually found in the speech as best I can tell from the motherjones.com article) so long as he was committed to getting US soldiers out of countries they should never have been sent to.
American Blood by Reckless Kelly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oosw_nOoKmM
Meanwhile, the Presidential candidate of America’s emerging third party, the Republicans, explained that people who do not pay income taxes are all moochers.
The list of moochers includes people on social security, poor people, students, soldiers in combat zones finally remembered by their candidate, and, of course, their candidate himself, who in two recent years paid capital gains taxes but no taxes on his income.
Starting at 0:20. Is that Andre Barnett?
The Omni-Robomba 2012 is automated to bomb everything ….from scores of foreign countries to our economy and what remains of our civil liberties
Of course, we all know Barbara Dale Washer would win if she adapted CCHFS–the Communist Conservative Happy Friendship Strategy–whereby she chose a Marxist male–preferably one named Markus–as her VP running mate. Because every Communist in Mississippi (and there are zillions–it is secretly a very liberal state; the “Soviet Russia” of America, some would say) it would put her over the top and she could become the Supreme Leader of Mississippi.
Mississippi ballots will print Barbara Dale Washer on the ballot as the Reform Party presidential nominee. She is the choice of the faction of the Mississippi Reform Party that is headed by Shawn O’Hara. The choice of the Reform Party’s national convention for President, Andre Barnett, will thus not appear on the Mississippi ballot. Barnett will appear in one state, Florida.
Mississippi ballots will print Barbara Dale Washer on the ballot as the Reform Party presidential nominee. She is the choice of the faction of the Mississippi Reform Party that is headed by Shawn O’Hara. The choice of the Reform Party’s national convention for President, Andre Barnett, will thus not appear on the Mississippi ballot. Barnett will appear in one state, Florida.
http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/10/mississippi-secretary-of-state-recognizes-the-shawn-ohara-faction-of-the-reform-party/
IIRC, each person needed to pay $100 to attend the fundraiser. If I paid $100 to go somewhere, I’d certainly eat and drink what’s there–I would assume it would be for the guests to consume.
and scrolling upward I see the Cohen post from Jill….hey thanks ! I was so bored and not drunk and wanting something funny to read and you gave me 2 classics….nice:)
ROTFLMAO!!!! that so isnt true , I know may LPNevada folk that planed, organized etc…the real reason his party sucked fo him was he wasnt the center of attention and got little mic time…lol
This priceless gem was posted to Eric Dondero’s webpage. I predict it will become a classic.
The Real Story behind Wayne Root’s leaving the Libertarian Party: Source – local LPers showed very bad manners during a party/fundraiser at his home
LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENT NEWS: RUMOR OF THE DAY!
Too much double-dipping in the Party Dip?
From Eric Dondero:
Some juicy gossip. It comes from a very reliable source, who lives in the southwest. The individual is a former Libertarian Party member.
Of course, the standard disclaimer applies: We can neither confirm, nor deny these allegations. We’re just putting them out there. We’re running them under the proviso that we will not disclose our sources name.
(And I will not disclose the source, even if some Muslim terrorist hooks up my genitals to some electrical contraption.)
I have it on good information that prior to his leaving the LP Mr. Root hosted a fundraiser for Gary Johnson at his house in Las Vegas. Not one member of the Nevada LP lifted a finger to help Wayne yet they had no problem consuming all of the free food and liquor.
This on top of some of the party attendees berating Mr. Root for his ideological impurities after complimenting him for the great party he threw… for being a LINO [Libertarian In Name Only], Zionist warmonger, etc…
Mr. Root’s reasons for leaving was obviously due to his bad experience(s). It should also be noted that Root is Jewish and obviously witnessed quite a bit of anti-Semitism either by remarks directed toward him, deeds or both.
It’s clear Mr. Root resigned from the LP because he did not want to have his hand bitten as many times that it has nor enable a culture that embraces its own form of political correctness…
The Libertarians responsible for the disgusting manner in which they treated Wayne Allyn Root should not only apologize but could not hold a candle to the classical liberals of days gone by much less the Founding Fathers themselves.
Editor’s comment – I can see this happening. How many times has rudeness and bad manners led diehard Libertarian Party members to leave the Party over the years? For example, I remember numerous stories as to how badly 1980 LP vice-presidential candidate David Koch was treated in 1983, after his preferred candidate for the LP presidential nomination lost in the convention balloting. Koch, the second richest man in America. So, a handful of rude Libertarians ran off the guy with the big money bags.
Posted by Eric Dondero at 9/15/2012 10:54:00 AM
CC@152,
Well, I agree with you on ending foreign aid to all Muslim nations … because I support ending foreign aid to all nations, period.
Fishman at 6%
http://www.wbur.org/files/2012/09/0912_6th-crosstabs.pdf
Libertarian Dan Fishman is at 6% in the MA sixth Congressional District, running against Congressman John Tierney and Republican Richard Tisei. More on this at RedMassGroup, the Massachusetts Republican blog, which shows social reactionaries in the process of taking over the local Republican Party.
You’ve all gotta hear this. It’s truly been my laugh of the week. It appears Mr. Bruce Cohen found some time in his busy schedule to call a radio show.
This was found on my California Candidates site. It actually struck me as absolutely hilarious, although maybe on some other day it would have made me furious. You can listen yourself at 1.02:50 on the 12th. You really can just go to the very end.
Bruce Cohen really loves calling anyone and everyone as “Anti-Semitic”. He’s had a problem with Judge Gray since the National Convention.He also happened to be WAR’s # 1 fan.
1a Larry Elder Show: Discussing Judge Gray…
Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:42 am (PDT) . Posted by: “Bruce Cohen” brucedcohen2002 http://www.larryelder.com/pg/jsp/charts/audioMaster.jsp?dispid=301&pid=58612
Yesterday’s Larry Elder Show.
Click ‘Interview with Nadine’.
I come on as the last caller at 1:02:50
I discuss Judge Gray’s apologetics for Islam.
The discussion rages on Facebook.
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1b Re: Larry Elder Show: Discussing Judge Gray…
Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by: “Harland Harrison” harlandh5 Did you listen? Bruce Cohen got on the air and attacked our VP candidate!
It was not even a fair attack.
Cohen said a campaign staffer and her husband dressed differently because they were Muslim, and “that was OK with Judge Gray.” Cohen said nothing about Islam or theology, or anything intellectual, either. Cohen identified himself as a former LP official. Then he called a previous caller a “shill” for Johnson-Gray campaign because the caller said “Live free – Live free”. (That other caller was libertarian and quite interesting, too. He started around 25:00 in the recording.)
Harland Harrison
— On Thu, 9/13/12, Bruce Cohen wrote:
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Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by: “Bruce Cohen” brucedcohen2002 Just curious why it’s ok for people to LIE about Wayne Root…
Lie about quoting him…
When he was the LP VP Nominee.
But somehow it’s NOT ok for me to say the confirmed
truth about Judge Gray?
Yeah more of the Libertarian Double Standard.
— On Thu, 9/13/12, Harland Harrison wrote:
From: Harland Harrison
Subject: Re: [CALPCandidates] Larry Elder Show: Discussing Judge Gray…
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012, 1:08 PM
Did you listen? Bruce Cohen got on the air and attacked our VP candidate!
It was not even a fair attack.
Cohen said a campaign staffer and her husband dressed differently because they were Muslim, and “that was OK with Judge Gray.” Cohen said nothing about Islam or theology, or anything intellectual, either. Cohen identified himself as a former LP official. Then he called a previous caller a “shill” for Johnson-Gray campaign because the caller said “Live free – Live free”. (That other caller was libertarian and quite interesting, too. He started around 25:00 in the recording.)
Harland Harrison
— On Thu, 9/13/12, Bruce Cohen wrote:
> From: Bruce Cohen
> Subject: [CALPCandidates] Larry Elder Show: Discussing Judge Gray…
> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012, 11:42 AM
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Larry Elder: Highlights
http://www.larryelder.com
Welcome to LarryElder.com – Home of The Larry Elder Show and the Elderados – The Sage from South Central.
Mr. Knapp. Your arguments make no difference. I don’t care about the age of Islam. It’s backwards now and causing problems now. End all foreign aid to Muslim nations now!
@149 — which ex-LNC member? doing what?
@149 Has the alleged time “error” by the Secretary of State’s office in MI ever appeared in any of the briefs?
Zapper @ 148
Point well taken and, FYI, Governor Johnson never filed to be in the Republican Primary in Michigan. The SOS there proactively added him based on his visibility in other states. It’s my understanding the campaign didn’t learn of this until the last minute (it was before my involvement), and then rushed to file the form to have him withdrawn — which WAS submitted before the deadline — the timestamp on the SOS fax machine in Michigan not exactly being tied to the atomic clock up there.
I think it’s also a reasonable admonition to assume the Republican Party has already begun a fight to keep the LP off as many ballots as possible in 2014 and 2016, and is now doing so with the help of a former LNC member. I’d expect far more challenges and far higher costs for the LP in the next cycle.
Joe
The LP needs to be more professional, organized, careful and use more strategic planning:
Some lessons:
PA:
1) Any good ballot drive coordinator would have insisted on having every part of the form filled out neatly and completely. If not, no pay for that item and it doesn’t go in the count toward completion.
2) Great performing petitioners often make bad coordinators. In fact, they often need lots of supervision themselves to dot and cross their i’s and t’s.
3) The LP should hire its own coordinators and manage its own ballot drives. No more contractors.
MI:
Filing to withdraw from the R primary, but a few minutes too late. All this trouble could have been avoided by being on time. Plan ahead. Get up early. Be professional. Think ahead. Really.
@144 According to an even more recent post at Ballot Access News, there was a partial victory as well as a partial loss in the PA lawsuit. Signatures where the signer moved but remained within the same county will be counted as valid. Signatures without “2012” included in the date were ruled 2 to 1 to be invalid.
The date ruling will be appealed.
The verification process will resume and, with the resored signatures and 10,000 more to verify, there is now a glimmer of hope that the LP will make it.
I interviewed Bill Cimbrelo, independent write-in candidate out in Massachusetts recently, and wrote up an article about that interview.
I’m more of a local news kind of guy, but this seems right up IPR’s alley, so I’ve been sharing it around the community. (IPR, Bill’s, The Modern Whigs because Bill was endorsed by them, etc.)
Secondly, I’m writing a second article specifically for the internet. Something more information dense and interviewesque, so I can get away with more space, so I’ll hopefully have that out in good time too.
Feel free to share wherever!
http://joshwevans.com/pt/North-Brookfield-man-sets-sights-on-US-Senate/blog.htm
AND Michigan isn’t looking too good, either.
According to a very recent post over at BAN things are looking grim for the LP in PA.
http://occupythecpd.org/
Just FYI: coverage of Dutch general election is here (in Dutch, but nice graphics):
http://www.google.nl/elections/ed/nl/results
I’M BACK! My computer is finally up and running. Woo Hoo!!!
#139, here here, & don’t forget Savonarola!
Also let’s not forget that the most matriarchal society on Earth exists under Islam: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-05/uop-imm050902.php
CC@135,
Islam /= Islamism
Furthermore, when Christianity was 1500 years old, as Islam is now, its adherents were indeed still “kill[ing] innocents because someone exercised their freedom of speech.” Servetus was burned in Geneva in 1553. Wightman was burned in England in 1612.
cc @ 135: Good thing none of us here are concerned much about political correctness. We certainly disagree on issues, but no one seems to be saying things just becuase they think they’re expected to, or because they’re trying to play nice.
Well, good luck Austin! You’ll get it done sooner or later–
My computer is running. But I’m in the process of reinstalling everything. That includes service pack 1 and 2, trend micro anti-virus, and then transfering all of my data from a external hard drive over to the rebooted computer.
This has been so long it is so frustrating.
The events in Libya and Egypt clearly show the issue with Islam addressed above which the commentators here have decided to ignore. A religion whose adherents kill innocents because someone exercised their freedom of speech and insulted a likely pedophile that died over a thousand years ago is incompatible with modern society. You can continue to deny that a majority of Muslims feel the same as those that invaded the embassies, but you must admit that a large number agree. We don’t see Jews and Christians acting this way even with the constant attack they are under.
Obama’s response is a clear reflection of the political correctness that is destroying our nation.
http://www.operationterror.com
Here is a review of the movie made by ex vice-presidential candidate Art Olivier’s movie, which was shown in Los Angeles last night. Alan and I were extras in the movie. We are passengers # 1 and # 2 in the queue. We weren’t able to attend the showing, but one of my FB friends did. this is what she said:
“My boy Trevor and I, who spent a year in heavy fighting in Afghanistan (against my wishes) went to the Premiere of Operation Terror last night. http://www.operationterror.com/
It was an emotional experience re-living the under-reported actual newscasts which were skillfully interwoven into this drama. We were downstairs in Theater 11 and in spite of the fact that Rave Cinemas didn’t put it on their theater listings, there was a fantastic turn-out. It was a rather private affair. I spoke with Art Oliver and Paul Cross about what was true and what was created for the drama. All of the broadcasts by the reporters were actual footage. Director Paul Cross was once a card-carrying Republican but after all the research he did around 911 he left the party. The character that he played in Operation Terror was a true depiction but the company was given a different name. Many of the movie lines were taken from court testimonies.
If you have a loved one who is considering joining the military to fight wars over oil and other commodities, this film will stop them before they go to die so that rich men can get richer.
Art Oliver was an engineer, a mayor, city councilman and ran for higher office. A great deal of evidence and research from an engineering standpoint is detailed through the characters. Many of the cast members were present last night.
My friend Mikos Zavros played an actual FBI agent who is now dead. His performance was excellent and he is just as dynamic in person as he is in the film.
Trevor had to get up and walk outside several times because the corruption exposed was overwhelming. It was quite an experience to meet almost all the main characters in person before viewing the film for the first time. I was very touched by an American Airlines flight attendant whose co-workers were killed in the crash in the audience. Years later she is still working full time to tell others of just what happened. These are courageous people who brought us this production and I am very grateful. Now, it’s our turn to get the word out about this film. It does not have a big commercial distributor, but I feel it would be a perfect Occupy or other group fundraiser. It delivers the message of the rich controlling the government and war that was created over oil as just a couple of the basics. DVD’s are now for sale, I will get the ordering information later today.”
I’m crossing my fingers for you, Austin–
It’s the first paid broadcast advertising, is how I read that. The home page says they currently have 432k raised for it and a separate SuperPAC has 100k of a promised 1MM for ads. I’ve heard 250k but have only been able to verify 100k.
I have the cable I need (SATA to USB connector), and if all goes well, I should be having my computer fixed today while I’m on a date with my wife this evening. Woohoo. Here’s hoping that I can post some articles tonight.
@127 Liberty for America subscriptions
Subscriptions are FREE! And they DO NOT COST ANYTHING! They are a Free Gift!
Go to Liberty for America.com and follow the subscribe link.
This month’s Liberty for America is especially strong. I advise everyone to read it, and subscribe so you can get it every month.
@123 Thanks for the plug.
@125 Are we to infer this is the first Johnson advertising?
Ronald T. Nielson ?@RTNielson
First radio buy starts Wed. for @govgaryjohnson #mittnews #obama2012 #ronpaul #johnson2012 #libertarian #election2012
Retweeted by Gov. Gary Johnson
Looks like I was wrong – there were enough votes on the LNC to remove Wayne; it only took one vote.
I encourage everyone to read the September issue of Liberty for America. I’d actually forgotten the text of what I had written about he-who-shall-be-nameless back then. Good prediction, even if I do say so myself! 🙂
I wonder what the inquisition committee in Ohio will uncover. The evidence is out there. They may want to read the LNC minutes from December through the convention.
@121 The article claims “…an increasingly close election….” That claim appears at the moment to be wrong.
Can someone post this?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/10/spoiler-alert-poll-finds-small-following-for-libertarian-candidate/?hpt=hp_bn3
Gary Johnson is polling 4% nationally.
@113 I guarantee that anything the status quo LP does will be dysfunctional for a long time.
You may hear about successful alternative LP projects that will have far more political traction, like you’ve never known before, someday in the near future I’m sure.
Excellent news about Louisiana’s LP, Reed! Thanks for keeping us posted.
Reform Party of Kansas offers Ron Paul ballot line:
http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/kansas-reform-party-ron-paul.html
If someone can post this, please do.
Libertarian Party of Louisiana hires Executive Director
Lafayette, Louisiana. For the first time in Libertarian Party of Louisiana history, a paid staff member has been hired. Wendy Adams, a former Ron Paul staffer, has been hired for the next 4 weeks as the LPL Executive Director. Adams will serve until the next LPL State Central Committee Meeting, where an Executive Director will be hired on a more permanent basis.
The Libertarian Party of Louisiana is the fastest growing political party in Louisiana and has been referred to by many newspapers as “the next major political party in Louisiana”. After seeing the unprecedented growth of the Libertarian Party of Louisiana, the decision was made to hire a paid staff member to keep up with the rapid growth and expansion of the LPL.
Nationally, few state affiliates have a paid staff member. This marks a great stride forward for the Libertarian Party, both on a state and national level. As the Democrats in Louisiana are left with few candidates this cycle and declining registration numbers, the Libertarian Party seems to be the only alternative to socially accepting voters in Louisiana.
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For further information, contact Reed Ebarb, Party Secretary at [email protected] or 318-455-5333
http://libertyforamerica.com/201209.pdf
Headline “Root Flees LNC!
Left Lead “Editorial: Vote Republican? You Must Be Joking.”
#114, is that online Anywhere?
Contents of the forthcoming issue:
Root Flees LNC!
Root Endorses Romney
Editorial: Vote Republican? You Must Be Joking!
Johnson 2012 Financials
Blessing Blasts Root
Paulie Frankel Responds
Oregon Ballot Status
Where Your Money Went—LNC
More on Saratoga
The Root Resignation Letter
How We Got Here
110 You got that one. Pursuing a man whose positions are a natural fit for a completely different political party, the Constitution Party, was completely lame.
Dangit I really thought I would get my computer fixed today. Walmart and Officemax don’t have the cable I need. Now I have to drive to Sacramento to go to Best Buy to get what I need.
AB @ 108: I’ve posted the article. Thanks–it’s a good piece!
It’s 2008 all over again. Didn’t LP POTUS Bob Barr candidate unsuccessfully attempt to engage Ron Paul and/or get endorsed? Same plan, same lame results.
The LP is totally dysfunctional. When will they ever learn how to coalesce?
@102 – Sore Loser laws don’t apply to Presidential candidates? QUICK! Someone tell the GOP, who’s been challenging the LP candidate via sore loser laws in state after state….
Hey guys. Can someone post this article?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120907_Interview__Jill_Stein__Green_Party_presidential_candidate.html
It’s a three page interview of Jill Stein. Even though I certainly am not supporting her, this is some pretty decent media coverage and deserves to be posted. Especially since we have a lack of GP coverage here.
@ 102 I LIKE that guy RG’s post , he makes perfect sense to me. However, I do not support Judge Jim Gray as a candidate. I’ve done that before and was bit. Once bit, twice shy.
Lemmings…
What’s amazing is the amount of people believing him.
Jill @102,
I wonder If this guy tripped and hit his head, or if he was just born stupid. What a crock.
@101- Even if that is what happens, it would be a very good thing for Obamney to not get all 538 votes.
This was found on Facebook, on the “Lawyers for Ron Paul” page. BTW, I don’t think Richard Gilbert works for Ron Paul. I think he’s just a random person who thought he could somehow broker a deal:
“In recent days, the campaign of Gary Johnson has sought to manipulate Ron Paul supporters with flagrantly misleading information seeking to have Ron Paul supporters harrass Dr Paul by making several telephone calls to Dr Paul to replace GJ’s VP, Judge Gray.
The GJ campaign is diregarding the decision of their own delegates, who with their soul and money,nominated Judge Gray. This is unnacceptable because it disenfranchises the Liberty Party delegates. The sanctity of every vote must matter, but, it doesn’t matter to Gary Johnson.
Some information being used by the GJ campaign are falsehoods such as, Dr Paul cannot have the top of the ticket because of Sore Loser laws.
Johnson himself was a Republican candidate for President and participated in a debate. Sore Loser laws do not apply to Presidential Candidates. Why is the GJ campaign lying to Ron Paul supporters about this? Why is Gary Johnson not offering the top of the ticket to Dr Paul? If the Sore Loser laws applied, they would also apply to Gary Johnson, one of the sorest losers of them all.
Well meaning Ron Paul supporters are being misled by the GJ campaign
GJ supports the use of drones and maintaining military bases in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
GJ supports censorship on his site. Does that sound Libertarian?
There is no need for anyone to make a decision at this time not to vote for Dr Paul as a write in. If on election day you cannot vote for Dr Paul you can choose another canididate. So what’s the rush?
Dr Paul knows he has a standing offer to be VP to GJ and he is not interested. So why harrass him?
I personally negotiated with GJ’s attorney for 3 weeks with the requirement that only the Libertarian Party Delegates must vote on a Paul/Johnson Ticket.
In the end, GJ refused to give up the top of the ticket so, I cut off negotiations. GJ has an ego problem!
Ron Paul said vote your conscience. Dr Paul is our conscience. Why isn’t GJ telling everyone to write in Paul?
If anyone says that I am in favor of, or approve of telepohone calls to Dr Paul to harrass him they are mistaken.
Dr Paul built this Liberty Movement and until Dr Paul endorses another candidate I say, we vote for Dr Paul.
GJ, nor his drones, nor his foriegn military bases, nor his censorship on his site, built any part of the Liberty Movement!
We should throw GJ out and replace him with Judge Gray!
My name is Richard Gilbert and I approve this message!”
It’s not necessarily that a “third party” is going to get those electoral votes. It seems possible that a few “faithless” Republican electors will vote for Congressman Paul.
With the difference between the odds of Obama and the odds of Romney winning being at almost 20%, hopefully that statistic can help bust the Wasted Vote Syndrome.
Also, it is extremely encouraging that people are putting their money where their mouth is on the belief that third parties will get 6 electoral votes.
Intrade, one of the best websites for predicting future events, has these interesting predictions:
59.2% odds of Obama winning
40.9% odds of Romney winning
6 electoral votes going to someone who is not Romney or Obama
LewRockwell.com reports the Kansas Reform Party has offered their ballot line to Ron Paul
http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/kansas-reform-party-ron-paul.html
http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/gov-gary-johnson-polls-43-against-obama-and-romney
I could have lived without mention of “Johnson could throw the presidential election to President Obama”.
Otherwise not bad, we need many more such news releases!
PEACE
Search the archives for US Parliament. It’s total garbage, but he has a lot of time on his hands (and is literally off his prescribed psychiatric medication by his own admission), and will flood the site with endless comments on any and every thread, so we have decided that for other conversations to thrive here his comments will be removed whenever we catch them and have time to do so. Right now I don’t have much time, so “enjoy” them while they last.
I’ll be done with my work project today and will have a lot more more time soon (unfortunately).
The LPNH ballot access petition was accepted and the party has been certified as on the November ballot.
I will say this, Chocolate City is a great political song-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LoHdNo4RYE
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Parliament+Funkadelic&oq=Parliament+Funkadelic&gs_l=youtube.3..0l10.1070.3687.0.4073.21.9.0.11.11.0.194.1219.2j7.9.0…0.0…1ac.1.3_TeSaFljtk
Concerned Citizen @90,
Correction: SOME Muslims think that way.
Others don’t.
Contrary to uninformed opinion, there’s no more a single dispositive version of Islam than there is of Christianity.
And I’m not just talking about the large divisions like Sunni and Shiite. There is significant disagreement among Muslim sects on the meaning of the foundational principle of tawhid (the unity of God).
And, as mentioned, you don’t get to have it both ways. If you’re going to advertise (for example) the Iranian “twelthers” as uniformly and fanatically devoted to a single writ, you’re going to have to acknowledge that that writ extends to Khameini’s commandment that Iran will not have nuclear weapons. They aren’t uniformly and fanatically devoted when you want them to be, then off the reservation when you want it that way. Take your pick.
George Clinton was inspired by God to create the Parliament of Funk, because he knew that one day the US Parliament would take off and he would be an important team member. US Parliament and the great musical group Parliament Funkadelic will provide pure proportional representation to America.
Bruno, if the pact you refer to was as widespread as you suggest, wouldn’t islamic nations be bastions of religious diversity and tolerance? I repeat, burn a bible in a traditionally christian nation and compare that to what would happen if you burn a koran in a muslim nation. Bill Maher communicates this issue well. To paraphrase he says: we have christian nuts but they don’t see their neighbor working on sunday and think, “i really should kill him”. Muslims do think this way.
Would someone summarize what the Ogle deal is. Who is he, what’s his plan/idea?
Because Ogle is an idiot!
oh dear, why is someone posting each sentence as a separate comment?
It will be inclusive of all parties, independents and all voters.
The new government will be of conciliation and unity.
There’s a new American form of government just down the road.
LOL–as if any of us here are concerned about political correctness.
The Libertarian Party of Louisiana is seeking to hire an executive director. After seeing unprecedented growth this year, the LPL has recognized the need to hire a staff member, rather than relying solely on volunteers. This past year, the LPL has seen huge growth. We have elected 2 Libertarians (the first 2 Libertarians elected in Louisiana), we have run U.S. House candidates in 5 of 6 districts, and the LPL has seen an 18% increase in people registered libertarian since the beginning of the year. In addition, the Libertarian Party has been receiving more and more press as some in Louisiana believe that the Libertarian Party could be the next major party in Louisiana. As Democrats in Louisiana falter, the Libertarians have been on the rise and in some races, the LP is the only alternative to the Republican Party. The LPL believes that with a paid staff member, this will free up volunteers to do other, much needed work. History has shown that hiring a staff member can be another huge step toward making a difference in state politics. Duties of the executive director include recruiting candidates, supporting candidates, fund-raising, increasing registration numbers, and responding to inquiries. Contract length and compensation are negotiable. Any staff member will hold independent contractor status. For further information or any questions, feel free to contact Reed Ebarb at [email protected] and please send resumes to [email protected].
Hmmmm… they are there now. It must have been a problem with my computer. Sorry…
I noticed that all the party links, blog links, etc. on the right of the page are gone. Are they being updated or is this a glitch of some kind?
Arguing over religion seems quite pointless to me. Since religion is based on faith (not logic) it is generally not possible to change many minds. It happens occasionally but not often enough to waste the time trying to be persuasive. Just my $0.02 worth.
@70: it is fact that the Crusades grew out of the Islamic idea of Jihad, which Christendom was exposed to in Spain.
Is that indeed a fact?
Yet God told the Hebrews to conquer Canaan, kill its inhabitants, and take the Promised Land — prior to either the Crusades or Jihad.
So the concept of God-ordered warfare and conquest seems to originate from Exodus.
#76- I noticed that too, basically calls the district judge a political hack who was intent on rigging the system so the State couldn’t effectively appeal for this election. Most of the ruling is about what an awful judge he is. Good read (at least compared to the average court ruling).
@74 Thanks for the excellent news. And note what the Circuit Court says about the District Court Judge, which is about as negative as is seen in these matters.
@73 You are arguing with a typical Republikkklan hatemonger, Republikkklans being a party that will go down in history for the wide variety of crimes against peace, crimes against civilization, and war crimes it staged against the people of Iraq.
The most important question to ask any Republican about its 2012 election is “Where were George Bush and Dick Cheney?”.
Ninth Circuit Court ruled last night (unanimously) that ‘None of the Above’ will appear on the ballot this November-
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2012/09/04/panel_order_stay.pdf
#70- What a load of crap. The Pact of Umar was in force until the 19th Century. Meanwhile Charlemagne’s Capitulatio de Partibus Saxoniae subjected anyone who didn’t convert to Christianity to death. That is some great humanitarian conversion work there buddy. And that isn’t mentioning the Inquisition, Crusades, numerous witch hunts, numerous wars and mass slaughters during the Reformation, the Holocaust (yes that was Christians committing genocide against another religion), Christian Identity movement, and on and on.
Your claim about Palestinian involvement in OKC shows that clearly you are little more than an ignorant, hate filled bigot. My guess is you could care less as to what the historical facts are. You will always find some way to claim that Christians have always been wonderful, peace loving people who have never been mean to non-Christians while Muslims have always been brutal savages bent on the slaughter of any non-Muslims.
But just think about this for a second- there are currently almost 2 billion Muslims in the world. If Islam as a whole was so obsessed with killing all ‘infidels’ than doesn’t basic logic dictate that there would be significantly more violence occurring today and that there would be mass genocides occurring across the globe?
The truth is there has been plenty of history of religious violence and intolerance in both religions. The fact that you readily deny and/or excuse such things when it concerns Christianity but believe false history to paint Islam as hell bent on killing all non-believers only shows that you are the perfect example of religious intolerance and ignorance.
Hi CC –
I thought Christians wre supposed to turn the other cheek. You may also wish to reflect on what it measn to love your enemies and to do good to those who persecute you.
I was using conversion in a general sense. You are right that true conversion does require a change in mind. Sadly, this fact has been lost on many so-called Christian leaders over the years. I should not have mentioned Constantine – I’m not sure who I was thinking of right off. Constantine was more of a polytheist – he adopted many of the trappings of Christianity, but also continued to venerate other gods. Thanks for the catch.
Denial of the backwardness of modern Islam stems from political correctness. It is funny to read others assert brainwashing has occurred when they are the ones who’ve been brainwashed. This is the ignorance that elects Barack Obama. The ignorance that allows good folk to turn the other cheek when learning that mobs of Pakistanis demand the execution of a little girl because she had to burn scripture for warmth. The ignorance that dismisses the idea that radicalism is strong in a community because once every decade someone from another community acts similarly. Burn the Bible in a traditionally Christian nation and see what happens. Compare that to what happens when burning a Koran in any nation with a substantial Muslim population.
Very ignorant responses. To Knapp, religion by its nature is irrational. Constantine issued the Edict of Milan. The pact of Umar only occurred only during the very early stages of the initial conquests. And any knowledgable person will know that in Christianity, conversion required a change in mind. Missionaries worked with the pagans. Lastly, it is fact that the Crusades grew out of the Islamic idea of Jihad, which Christendom was exposed to in Spain.
#64- Actually, Concerned Citizen, while Charlemagne was slaughtering all non-converts, the Islamic Empire allowed all Christians and Jews to remain with their own religion. It was called the Pact of Umar. Look it up.
Hello CC @64 – you may wish to study up on the role of forced conversions in Christianity. Consider Constantine, for instance…
CC@57 and 64,
You don’t get to have it both ways. Either Islamists are irrational and unreasonable OR they are operating according to a predictable schema.
Which is it?
With respect to Iran specifically, you are asking us to believe that its government is acting according to a complete dedication to Islam, as represented by its religious authorities — but to simultaneously believe that its government is ignoring the pronouncement of its Supreme Leader (in both the religious and political senses) that acquisition of nuclear weapons is a sin against Islam and therefore the exact opposite of actual government policy.
Dennis @ 63: I think a lot of what people think of Muslims is because of propaganda put out by the people who want to keep us at war. We’ve had millions of Muslims living peacefully in this country for years. I’m sick of the hatred and think very little of people who perpetuate this crap.
CC @ 64: It’s inexcusable to paint a whole group of people as being a certain way because of the actions of a few extremists.
Islam is based on conquest. It spread throughout Arabia, North Africa and South Asia so fast because the inhabitants had to convert or die. This mindset still exists today, which is why in Muslim nations, religious conversion is punishable by death and why many Muslims see it as their duty to vanquish the world of nonbelievers. Islam is incompatible with the modern world. It is inexcusable to kill a catholic priest because the pope quoted something muslims didn’t like. It is inexcusable to kill people because their film, cartoon, book or anything else offended your beliefs. It is inexcusable for a state to execute someone for being homosexual, being raped, committing adultery, or disrespecting a man of questionable morals that lived over a thousand years ago. Let’s be sensible and not fall into the traps of political correctness.
Seriously, whats up with the hatred of Muslims? I don’t get it….
CC @ 61: “Also if you examine the Oklahoma City bombing more closely, there’s evidence of Palestinian involvement.”
That’s one of only many conspiracy theories, just like your comment about people flying planes into buildings.
You are severely misinformed if you believe your examples even compare to how widespread radicalism is in the Muslim world. And in citing Timothy Mcveigh you’re citing an anti-government radical, who most anti-government types have denounced, unlike your Islamist friends who hold their radicals in high esteem. Also if you examine the Oklahoma City bombing more closely, there’s evidence of Palestinian involvement.
@35: LP California needs to get to 1o3K registrations by November 2014. As of June they are stuck at 93,657. In February 2011 you were at 92,246. Those are secretary of state’s numbers.
IOW, LP California is in deep shit.
@ 57
Ku Klux Klan
Timothy McVeigh
The Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord
The list drags on…and on…and on….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Some of you may have already seen this but thought you all may find interesting-
http://www.politico.com//blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ron-paul-gary-johnson-wonderful-134316.html
Islamists cannot be trusted. They are irrational and unreasonable. No negotiation can be done with them. Liberals like George Phillies think illogically by favoring Islamists over Jews and Christians. In contrast, I side with Jews and Christians. Jews and Christians do not issue fatwas for cartoons or books. Jews and Christians don’t prosecute little girls that burn religious texts for warmth. Jews and Christians don’t fly planes into buildings filled with innocent citizens.
Jill @54… that is understandable as to the first part. One can only hope it is just coincidence as to part two!
@50
George Phillies ?” (to save itself from the holocaust promised by Iran as soon as it has nuclear capabilities),”
That’s a violation of the statement of principles, using fraud for political purposes.
The claim about Iran is a pack of bald-faced lies.
The actual position of the Iranian government, or at least its PM, is that demographics ensure that Israel will be transformed from a theocratic republic in which Islamites are allowed to vote but excluded from the government to a mixed-faith democracy — that’s the Iranian position — at which point the Middle East problems will vanish.
” Therefore Israel’s best option is to order the attack before the US election,”
Advocating for a war of aggression is a war crime, for which we hanged Herr Streicher.
NF @ 53: I don’t want people to think I obsess about Root, and I don’t want to be identified here as primarily attacking him. I hope to be a little more valuable to the LP than just Root-bashing.
I’ll also admit I’m a little afraid of him. Shortly after the article I posted in April about Wayne telling his raidio audience to vote for Romney, my computer was hacked and my husband’s was also. Was probably a coincidence–but it had never happened before.
Jill @ 51… why?
I also think it is article worthy.
I think it should be its own article here, but I posted 2 anti-Root articles over the weekend and would prefer it if another of the writers would post it.
Dennis @47,
Yes, he did:
“As I’ve predicted publicly for months now, Israel is assured of no help after the election (if Obama is reelected and no longer has to face Jewish voters ever again). Therefore Israel’s best option is to order the attack before the US election, when Obama’s distaste for Israel may be overcome by his desperate need for Jewish votes and Jewish donors to remain in power. ”
It’s one of the most vile pieces of anti-Israel and anti-Jewish propaganda I’ve ever read — not from intent, but from historical illiteracy, political naivete and military ignorance. If people like Benjamin Netanyahu paid any attention to people like Wayne Root, it could result in tens, even hundreds, of thousands of Israeli deaths.
Dennis, it sure seems like that to me.
Ogle-Spam!
Did WAR just say the best course of action is for Israel to attack Iran before the election?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/04/why-obama-has-abandoned-israel-and-jews-should-abandon-obama/
http://nh-liberty.info/
On September 1, 2012 the NH Liberty Party held an organizational meeting. During this meeting the bylaws of the party were adopted. Included in the adopted bylaws is a five plank platform that can never be modified.
The NH Liberty Party supports secession for New Hampshire and believe individuals have the same right to declare themselves independent from any government. The NH Liberty Party Platform states the party’s support of individual rights, the principle of non-aggression and voluntary interaction. The Party also support repealing all laws that create “crimes” without a victim and believe “All peaceful prisoners should be released, so long as their ‘crime’ does not have a victim.”
The State Committee for the NH Liberty Party consists of three co-chairs. The co-chairs on the State Committee are Ian Freeman, Conan Solada and Darryl W. Perry.
Ian Freeman is a co-host on the nationally syndicated radio show Free Talk Live and owner of the blog FreeKeene.com. Conan Solada is an artist and a producer of Shire TV. Darryl W. Perry is the Owner and Managing Editor of Free Press Publications and the former Chair of the Boston Tea Party National Committee. All three co-chairs moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project.
I just tried to post a comment about the formation of the NH Liberty Party – it’s not here, so I believe it was marked as “spam” for some reason.
PFP Prez nom Roseanne Barr is back to making bold and controversial statements via her Twitter page, this time taking on billionaires for being “violent pedophiles” and drug addicts.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/09/04/roseanne-barr-calls-most-billionaires-violent-pedophiles-drug-addicts-in-latest/
@35 & 40
I fear that is the real focus behind Top Two. Former Phoenix mayor Paul Johnson is leading the efforts in AZ. He told me Top Two would make it easier for Libertarians to get elected. The fact that he thought I would be so dumb as to believe that irked me a bit.
As I stated before we are about to face off against it when it goes before the voters in November. I try to be cautiously optimistic about but feel the average voter may fall for the propaganda of The Arizona Republic. The number one news source in AZ stumps for it all the time.
IPR worthy, yes, although I am still laying off posting articles because it is so addictive.
Terrible.
There’s plenty of such controversy.
Technically impossible and not going to happen.
So? Don’t be ageist 🙂
Reed E–if you can send details to me, like a salary, work requirements, etc, I’d post it here for you.
Oranje Mike: Top-Two threatens to put the LP of CA out of business by 2014. We need to increase our membership by more than 10 % immediately. I don’t know when exactly, but we’re into desperate times now.
Kill all Ogle spam
Not sure if this is IPR worthy, but the Libertarian Party of Louisiana is hiring an Executive Director.
How are the third parties doing in California and Washington with Top Two? I am assuming the jungle primary takes away votes but was wondering what kind of a percentage Libertarians and Greens get in the primary vs the general election. As of today it appears the Top Two primary effort in Arizona will be on the ballot. I hope if fails and fails strongly but I don’t have a lot of hope as the propaganda machine supporting Top Two is strong with established Democrats and The Arizona Republic backing it.
In other news, the RNC has endorsed a Johnsno-like sales tax as one of their platform planks.
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111903904904577615361581700788.html
@28 — There is no controversy among real libertarians about the worthiness of Congressman Paul as President. Only leftist crypto-Democrats such as yourself have a problem with it.
Andre Barnett is on the ballot in Florida.
@27 It would be more accurate for Neale to have noted that in a number of states Johnson-Gray is on the ballot and cannot at this late day be changed.
Trying to replace Gray with Paul would also lead to considerable internal controversy as to whether Johnson was running a legitimate campaign and whether Paul was even marginally acceptable as a Presidential candidate.
http://www.examiner.com/article/libertarian-party-chairman-ron-paul-on-lp-ticket-would-be-difficult
Have you folks seen this? Any comments on Johnson or Gray stepping aside for Dr. Paul?
Just ventured into this thread, dont think I will be coming back for a while….
If only the Social Progressive Party of South Tyrol has adopted the political strategy I will not name. If only.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Progressive_Party_of_South_Tyrol
Ogle should link up with Milnes and form the Progressive-Libertarian Independent Multipartisan Coalition Parliamentary Party.
Yep.
That’s a sure-fire way to beat the Obama-Romney ticket.
The civilization of the first world is the result of the white culture. If the white race is destroyed then the entire world will descend into the third world. It’s already happening in Europe. If you want it to come here then continue your pointless comments and blindly follow your prophet Obama.
CT… Ogle and Briscoe? Isn’t he old enough to be her father?
Oh and party platforms are a waste of time anyway; nobody cares about or reads them, even if they are as short as the BTP platform. And Concerned Citizen, I am proud of my white guilt and my goal to have the white race destroyed through mixed marriage. I hope your children marry African immigrants. Pray for Obama, amen
*white guilt sufferers and racial minorities
Ogle has acknowledged in recent media articles that he is in relationship with Tiffany Briscoe, a previous BTP nominee, so that is an important part of the explanation I think. Hopefully current BTP nominee Jim Duensing will join as well, joining presidential candidates Roseanne Barr, Joy Waymire and mosheh Thezian on the team. With such support, US Parliament is the largest multi-party organization in the US currently.
The Democrat party is the party of racism and hatred; racism against whites and hatred of the peaceful Christian religion. They embrace the hate-filled Islamic religion and stir up the racial sentiments of black and hispanic people to excite their base of sufferers from white guilt and racial minorities.
@15 = crypto-gooneybird.
Comrade Brother Leader Ogle, there are plenty of political simulation games online. Unfortunately the best ever, senateseeker.com, has been broken for several years, but I know there are many many polisims where you can play at pretend politics.
@4 Republikkklan racist propaganda from the party of racism and hatred.
I just assumed they were racist against the Barr race. Maybe it’s a crypto-misogynist site.
Racist?
You mean they are prejudiced against Jews? Whites?
Stein is Jewish, too.
IsideWith.com has now removed Dr. Paul from their candidate calculations; and continues its racist exclusion of PFP nominee Roseanne Barr.
Ogle is not anonymous, I can recognize his stuff pretty easily. It’s not because I have administrative access either. I can tell without logging in to dashboard.
Why does Ogle want to call his new party BTP? He is not interested in having it adhere to the last BTP’s platform/bylaws or to any historical reference to the original Boston Tea Party. The last party named BTP which was dissolved earlier this year suffered from confusion with the socially conservative, pro-war movement within the Republican Party due only to the name. The BTP has no ballot access and no money. There’s not even a website for him to take over, nor do I think anyone will give him administrative access to the facebook and yahoo groups. If I was starting a new party as he apparently wants to do I would think a better name would be in order; but then, it’s not like Ogle ever makes sense.
JP@9,
I presume that from now until November 6th there will continue to be a group of slowly shrinking number of people who will continue to believe in a last great (electoral) Ron Paul hope.
I don’t think this is any planned trickery by the Republican cabal but simply a desire by some people whose own beliefs prevent them from supporting any other candidate than Ron Paul.
Luckily there is a steadily increasing number of people in the Ron Paul Matrix who are unplugging themselves from the fantasy of a last ditch Ron Paul campaign for President.
I think this rumor is terribly destructive for ‘
Gary’s campaign. Knowing how dirty the Republicans play, I wonder if they started the rumor? I wouldn’t be surprised.
Too late, ballot access deadlines have passed or almost passed and substitution in many states does not exist or deadlines passed.
Just a quick note: there will be teleconference on Sunday from Evan Alaska, who has supposedly communicated with Ron Paul himself about a possible third party run.
https://www.facebook.com/events/343258709094797/
Anyone who supports this effort should join in. There’s also a Reddit thread encouraging Rep. Paul to keep running with contact information here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/z72w6/ron_paul_could_run_third_party_with_gary_johnson/
#4- You do know that was a completely bogus story about the DNC, right? Oh you don’t because all you read are hyper partisan, conspiracy laden BS news sources?
Republican Party nominates candidate that believes God lives on the planet Kolob.
What’s your point?
DNC co-opted by Islam
http://muslimbureau.com/jumahatdnc
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dnc-announces-2-hour-islamic-jumah-prayers-after-rejecting-cardinals-blessing-and-you-wont-believe-whos-invited/
TWR: https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/08/august-open-thread/#comment-785861
Another example of how anonymous comments are a hidey-hole for besmirching real-live-breathing humans.
Taxation without representation wrote: We’re so happy Knapp closed the bogus BTP site. The new BTP doesn’t need him nor do we need the other pompous and arrogant incompetents who cherish the “power” of crushing beautiful people and work so hard to crush their lofty and idealistic aspirations.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/31/13573497-could-super-pac-backed-third-party-candidates-sway-presidential-race?lite