Wayne Root Announces: The Libertarian-Conservative Coalition to Take Back America

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The Wayne Root Interview at FrontPageMag.com:
Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Wayne Allyn Root, a Fox News regular who was the 2008 Libertarian Party vice presidential nominee. A college classmate of Barack Obama at Columbia University, he is now the leading contender for the Libertarian presidential nomination in 2012. Buthe is not your father’s version of Libertarian. He is a Barry Goldwater protégé, who calls himself a Libertarian-conservative and plans to build a Libertarian-Conservative coalition to take back America from Obama and his socialist agenda. He is the author of the new book, “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gambling & Tax Cuts.”

FP: Wayne Allyn Root, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

What inspired you to write this book?

Root: First, my unique background inspired the book. I am NOT your typical politician. I am a S.O.B. (son of a butcher); small businessman; home-school father of 4 young children; citizen statesman (just as the Founding Fathers intended); and capitalist evangelist.

I’ve never worked for government, never owned a business that does business with government, and never collected a government check in my life- other than a student loan (paid back in full), or an I.R.S. refund of my own money.

And I’m from Nevada- where our state constitution bans income taxes, welcomes guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, and limits the time politicians can sit in their seats. I’d call that heaven! I am certainly a different kind of politician- someone who wants to make government smaller, make my own political position weaker, and give the power back to the people- just as the Founding Fathers intended.

My political philosophy is simple, but it forms a powerful one-two punch aimed at big government. The first part is:
Open Your Wallets
Look inside
Vote for me
And I promise to stay the hell out of there!

Because your money is your property.

The second part of my political philosophy is that no matter what the question, the answer is the same: “IT’S NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S DARN BUSINESS!”

Secondly, I was inspired to write “The Conscience of a Libertarian” by the deep trouble our nation is in. Our country has been badly damaged; our economy decimated; our values denigrated- all by big government. Both Republicans and Democrats share in the blame. I call them Big and Bigger, Dumb and Dumber. Republicans campaign as limited government, anti-tax, Libertarian-Conservatives. But once elected, they govern as big government bureaucrats. They grow government- but perhaps just a little less than Democrats. They raise spending- but perhaps just a little less than Democrats. They raise taxes- but perhaps just a tad less than Democrats. They seem to vote for most every program that grows the Nanny State and intrudes in our lives- just like Democrats. But of course, Democrats are even worse- they promise even bigger government- and they deliver.

We have all been lied to, and defrauded by our politicians. They don’t care about the people- they care only about enriching themselves; taking more power and control over the people. They only care about lawyers, lobbyists, big unions, big government, big corporations. They violate the Constitution every day.

I believe it will take a third party coalition of Conservatives and free market, limited government Libertarians to take back America. And it’s coming- the latest Pew Poll on politics in America shows that more American voters now identify as Independents than at any time in modern political history. And those independents define themselves as conservative by a margin of 2 to 1 over liberal. A huge majority don’t like or trust big government. A huge majority do not like Obama’s big spending. A recent Gallop Poll shows that conservatives form a majority in all 50 states. This is the Libertarian-Conservative limited government coalition that I plan to build to become the Ross Perot of 2012.

These times remind me of the American Revolution. The Founding Fathers said “we either stand together, or hang separately.” Neither Conservatives nor Libertarians can take back America on our own. We need to stand together. These two groups need each other. The synergy of this coalition will fuel the Citizen Revolution. Together we will take back America from our Socialist-in-Chief Obama, and the moderate Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats who claim to be fiscally conservative, but actually vote for big government compromises that enable the massive growth of government and erosion of capitalism and individual rights. My new book explains in detail how I plan to put the coalition together…and how Libertarian-Conservative solutions on any issue can solve this country’s problems.

I hear that Barry Goldwater is your political hero?

Root: My political career began in 1964 at the age of 3, when I handed out political campaign literature for Barry Goldwater, in my father’s arms. By the time I was in middle school, I had read “The Conscience of a Conservative” (the best-selling conservative book of all-time) a dozen times. My new book, “The Conscience of a Libertarian” is dedicated to my hero Barry Goldwater. An entire chapter points out everything that Goldwater believed and predicted back in 1959 (when he wrote his book), and how all of those predictions came true. Goldwater was right then (excuse the pun), and he’s right now- 50 years later. If only we had listened to Goldwater a half century ago. Our economy would be thriving; our country would not be in debt; our school system would not be in shambles; our families would be stronger; our quality of life would be higher because taxpayers would be allowed to keep more of their own money; our nation would not be filled with entitlement addicts; our individual rights and freedoms would not be in mortal danger. I wrote my book to re-introduce the principles of Barry Goldwater (and Ronald Reagan) back to the citizens and taxpayers of America.

FP: What made this country a success?

Root: We are a nation founded by rugged individualists who wanted limited government, smaller government; less government intrusion into their lives. We fought a war over taxes that were so small, that our Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves over the heavy taxes we willingly pay today- without a word, without a fight. One of my heroes Thomas Jefferson once called the federal government intruding into the rights of the citizens of his home state of Virginia “a foreign invasion.” The principles we built America on are timeless: individual rights, self-reliance, personal responsibility, “if it is to be, it is up to me.” Relying on Big Brother is a mistake. Giving too much power to big government, big corporatons, big unions, lobbyists and lawyers is a terrible mistake.

Government is a failure. Everything it touches has failed miserably. From Amtrack ($30 BB in losses); to Medicare and Medicaid (whose losses threaten to bankrupt America); to the U.S. Postal Service (with billions in losses annually); to public schools- we spend the most in the world on education, yet our children rank near the bottom among industrialized nations in most education categories. Now Obama wants to hand 17% of the U.S. economy (healthcare) to government in the most massive and dangerous experiment in world history. It is a recipe for financial Armageddon. Please remember that government loses money on everything it does- every agency, every department, every year- since inception. You want to hand healthcare to the same people that brought us a $1.75 trillion budget deficit…a $11 trillion national debt (ad growing)…over $10 trillion in bailouts to corporations (which is 100% unconstitutional)…$60 trillion (or more) in unfunded liabilities for Medicare and Social Security…and a $5.3 trillion debt just in unfunded liabilities for federal government employees? That means that free healthcare for a couple of million government employees threatens the entire country with bankruptcy and insolvency. Now you want to give free healthcare to everyone in America? Are you kidding me? This can only be described as insanity…on steroids.

FP: How did Washington, D.C. become “the bad guy?”

Root: Wouldn’t you call someone that bankrupts your children and grandchildren “a bad guy?” Wouldn’t you call someone that enslaves future generations of your family to unsustainable debt, high taxes, high interest rates and the dramatic reduction in the value of the dollar “a bad guy?” No wonder newborn babies cry at the moment of birth- they instantly realize the debt and taxes they’ve inherited!

Shouldn’t we all be wary of someone who believes it’s “greedy” to want to keep more of your own money, but it isn’t greedy to ask government to steal from those that earn it, and redistribute to those that didn’t? As Barry Goldwater said, your income is your property. Does government respect your property? You know what we say in Nevada about Washington DC:

You know what the difference is between Las Vegas and Washington D.C? In Vegas, the drunks gamble with their own money!

Funny, but very true. In D.C. they think your money is their personal piggybank. Those $11 trillion in corporate bailouts…that’s our taxpayer money. The $1 trillion that Obama wants to spend on universal government-run healthcare…that’s our taxpayer money. The $3 billion handed out in the idiotic “Cash for Clunkers” program…that’s our taxpayer money they are giving away. Yet they don’t ask what we think of their schemes. They don’t ask permission to use our money. They don’t say please…or thank you…as they spend our money. And the worst of all- they don’t even read the bills in Congress before they vote on them. Can you even imagine- our representatives don’t even know what’s in a bill they are voting for. No wonder we have $100 trillion in debt (counting the unfunded obligations of Medicare and Social Security). That’s almost twice world GDP (all the money earned in the world each year). And our representatives certainly haven’t read, or don’t understand the Constitution.

I say we start a movement to VETO them all. VETO stands for “Vote Everyone of Them Out.” Let’s all agree to send a message heard around the world- to vote out every incumbent in the U.S. Congress (House and Senate) in 2010 and 2012 (as well as our President “the Socialist in Chief”). Can you imagine the message that would send to big government proponents, big spenders, big taxers, big unions, big corporations, and their lawyers and lobbyists? We’d send the message that “business as usual” in D.C. is over. Let’s agree to send them all home, send them all packing. THROW THE BUMS OUT. Let’s VETO the entire U.S. government. VETO the entire D.C. political class. This would be our 21st century version of 1776. This would be our Declaration of Independence from big government- without firing a shot. But you can bet it would be a shot heard around the world!

FP: What is the classic story you tell in your book and on your many FOX News Channel appearances about the failure of government?

Root: In Nevada we have a unique approach to sin- legalize it, regulate it, and tax it. That gives the citizens personal freedom, and more importantly, relieves the burden on taxpayers. We have legalized gambling and legal brothels. I love to tell the story of The Mustang Ranch. We all know the sex sells. No one in history has ever lost money on selling sex. The Mustang Ranch was the most profitable brothel in the history of legalized sex. The owner made a reported $100 million. But he didn’t pay his taxes. He was indicted for tax evasion, and ran away. He is now a fugitive from justice living in Brazil with his $100 million. The greedy and corrupt U.S. government took over ownership of the brothel. And guess what happened? It went BANKRUPT in one year!

The moral to the story: If you can’t run a brothel…you cannot be trusted to run the nation’s healthcare.

FP: How can we save America and capitalism?
Root: First, vote for a third party mavericks like me! Vote for citizen statesmen who truly believe in smaller government and giving power back to the people- and keep their word. Vote for citizen statesmen who have no interest in making politics a career. They must either agree to term limits- or THROW THE BUMS OUT! Barry Goldwater was right about everything in 1959- read Chapter One of my book and you’ll be amazed. Nothing has changed in a half century- same issues, same problems, same Libertarian-conservative solutions. Ross Perot was also right back in 1992. He predicted way back then- when the debt was a measly $250 billion or so- that America faced bankruptcy if we didn’t get our spending and debt under control. I want to be the Barry Goldwater and Ross Perot of 2012- on steroids! If only we had listened to them way back then.

Now polls show that Americans believe by a wide margin that our country is on the wrong track. Well guess why? We have been played like fools. We are “battered voters.” We keep getting lied to, yet keep voting for the same liars and frauds. This is like the movie “Groundhog Day.”

We do the same thing year after year, yet expect different results. Shame on us. We must stop voting for the same politicians who promise to make government smaller, but do the opposite once in office. Obama may be a Socialist, but it is Republicans who annually dominate the list for biggest Congressional spenders and biggest earmark spenders. It’s time for a change alright. But this time let’s throw all the bums out. Let’s VETO every member of Congress. It’s time for a Citizen Revolution.

Lots of Conservative politicians criticize President Obama. What makes you different?

Root: I do more than criticize. I provide detailed solutions for cutting government, reducing spending, reducing taxes, reducing entitlements, solving the immigration problem, even saving Social Security. I show American voters how we can eliminate income taxes for one year- I call it “an income tax vacation.” How we can eliminate capital gains taxes for anyone age 55 years or older. How we can eliminate capital gains taxes on small businesses. How we can form a union to counteract Obama and support small business owners and taxpayers- The PSTA (Private Sector Taxpayers of America). My plan calls for the banning of all bailouts and earmarks. And dramatically reducing spending on foreign aid. I explain how we can control the border and end illegal immigration, yet encourage millions of educated, skilled upper middle class immigrants with assets of $250,000 or more, to move to America- thereby ending our foreclosure crisis, housing crisis, Social Security crisis, and national debt crisis, all at once, as well as create millions of new jobs.

I explain how we can end affirmative action, reform Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and dramatically improve education results with school choice, vouchers, performance bonuses and encouraging alternative education like charter schools and home-schooling (I should know- I’m a home-school dad).

I show America how to end the energy crisis and healthcare crisis tomorrow. And I show America how to adopt the low tax “Nevada model” that has made my state #1 in all of America in population growth for the past quarter of a century, while avoiding “the California model” that has resulted in bankruptcy, insolvency, dysfunction, the biggest deficits in America, the worst bond ratings of any state, and the loss of over 1.35 million citizens (most of them to Nevada). It’s all laid out in detail in “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gambling & Tax Cuts.”

Wayne, where can our readers find your book?
Root: My web site is a good place to start: www.ROOTforAmerica.com. Of course you can get my book at Amazon.com or bookstores across the USA. Thank you for this opportunity to discuss my ideas with your Frontpage readers. God Bless. Tax Cuts.”

55 thoughts on “Wayne Root Announces: The Libertarian-Conservative Coalition to Take Back America

  1. Robert Milnes

    A Libertarian-Conservative coalition is VERY close to what I have described as a possible Ron Paul Constitution Party/Libertarian Party counterrevolutionary alliance/movement. This is VERY dangerous stuff. I have reexamined whether it could electorially succeed and it could possibly. But probably only under dire circumstances and with the leftists directly competing. Compare to Chile 1970. VERY close election. The other, far better, rational choice for libertarians is a progressive/libertarian alliance. A progressive movement/slow revolution which rejects socialism. Remember, Teddy Roosevelt, cofounder of the Progressive Party, was a republican.

  2. Robert Milnes

    Let libertarians learn from 2008. W.A.R. threw his support to Bann Bobb Barr, NOT Mary Ruwart. & subsequently Ruwart FAILED to bolt the party & join me Independent. Meanwhile Ron Paul was catapulted to campaign contribution success but electorial failure. & the LP was financially marginal. Republicans are not going to bolt their party in favor of Wayne Root. However, most democratic progressives are already disillusioned with Obama & would bolt their party in favor of a progressive movement the could electorially succeed with the help of the libertarians.

  3. Robert Milnes

    mdh, I look forward to debating you again here at IPR comments & await Tom K. to decloak from cyberspace & fire salvos in support of my positions against Ron Paul & W.A.R., even though he doesn’t come out & say he is supporting what I had said. No, W.A.R. has stumbled onto something. He doesn’t quite understand. He’s like Adolf Hitler, playing with fire & sprinkling lighter fluid on everybody. Short said, would America rather follow a trail blazed by Teddy Roosevelt or go Goldwater either to a fiery catastrophe or off a cliff like lemmings?

  4. JT

    Milnes: “Remember, Teddy Roosevelt, cofounder of the Progressive Party, was a republican.”

    At the time of Teddy Roosevelt, the Republican Party WAS the more “progressive” party. Some time after that the Democrats and Republicans basically switched roles. The Democratic Party was considered the more conservative party for a long time.

    Milnes: “However, most democratic progressives are already disillusioned with Obama & would bolt their party in favor of a progressive movement the could electorially succeed with the help of the libertarians.”

    Many of those left-leaning people are somewhat disappointed with Obama so far. But “somewhat disappointed” does NOT translate into leaving a major party that holds the presidency and both houses of Congress. I don’t see evidence of a mass revolt from within the Dem. Party, just some complaints here and there and encouragement to “do better.” Kind of like what we got during the George W. Bush years from disappointed Republicans.

  5. Aroundtheblockafewtimes

    Knapp is correct. The “weak sister” would be lucky to get any crumbs if this coalition is successful. Tell you what – have the conservatives come out in favor of ending the war on drugs and we can talk.

  6. Gene Trosper

    Conservatives won’t be involved in any significant way unless they can gain control, much like they have done with the Tea Party movement.

  7. mdh

    How about a Libertarian/libertarian alliance? The LP
    could drift hard-libertarian to bring in/bring back in all of the libertarians out there who right now want nothing to do with the LP.

    We could also bring a bit of education about what libertarianism really is all about to the greater anarchist community and have access to a huge base of very active activists who are some of the most dedicated people around.

  8. Robert Milnes

    mdh, your proposal resembles mine about a peer evaluation procedure for LP party officials & candidates. Anybody could join the LP but only real libertarians could become party officials or candidates as evaluated by their peers.

  9. Robert Capozzi

    tk, can you give some examples of L-C coalitions, because none spring to mind?

    I’d say we’re at a severe disadvantage in any coalition, since there are so few self-identified Ls. (I contend there are, of course, millions of Ls, but most don’t know it.)

  10. Ayn R. Key

    Themis wept.

    Every time Root shows promise he pulls something like this. A libertairan-conservative coalition?

    I expect Dondero to show up and say that Giuliani would be the best person to lead this coalition.

  11. Thomas L. Knapp


    You write:

    “tk, can you give some examples of L-C coalitions, because none spring to mind?”

    Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign, which ran on libertarian ideological fuel but the chief long-term political benefits of which went to the conservative wing of the GOP.

    That campaign was a “best case” scenario, because it actually did help get libertarian ideas into the public eye, it helped future key cadre like Karl Hess prepare themselves for future political work, etc. But it was still a raw deal.

    If libertarians want to work in coalition with others, we need to stick to some basic principles of alliance:

    – We get some stuff up front — public, bankable commitments to actual policies, not vague statements about how “we have a lot in common and I’m sure you’ll be happy with a lot of the things we do.”

    – Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice … well … we won’t get fooled again (I think Dubya said something like that). First time you screw us, we unseat your ass in the next election, no matter how much you whine that the other major party candidate is “worse.” Idiot ideas like “Libertarians for Bush” and the John Hospers endorsement in 2004 sent exactly the wrong message. The message they sent was “screw us all you want, we’ll keep crawling back.”

    Libertarians have given the conservatives and the GOP far too much carrot and far too little stick, especially over the last decade or so. If they want libertarian support in 2010 and 2012, they need to, at a minimum, stop proposing ObamaCare Lite, stop defending torture and act effectively to decriminalize marijuana on the federal level. That would be a start toward proving they’re serious.

  12. Robert Capozzi

    tk, hmm, guess I’ve a different take on G-water. In them thar days, there was no conscious L movement. I would agree with you (and Dondero!) that some elements of L-ism started to come together during that time frame.

    But, my main point is that Ls are still a tiny minority, hardly in a position to make coalition with conservatives or liberals in any broad sense. On narrow, generally local, issues, coalitions involving Ls make more sense.

    Guess I’m not big on coalitions at this stage. Mostly we need to build ourselves up into a critical mass where we can be influential and effective. Coalitions might be useful for recruiting purposes.

  13. mdh

    I would say that Ron Paul did something much akin to what Goldwater did in Knapp’s view (I wasn’t around for Goldwater, so…)

  14. Catholic Trotskyist

    Robert Milnes, I hope you were also waiting for myself, Catholic Trotskyist, to talk about the church/state Christian Socialism alliance strategy, the only strategy that can truly succeed electorially and bring about world government and a better society.

  15. Eric Dondero

    Ho-hum. I like Wayne, but he’s being a bit redundant here. There is already a huge libertarian-conservative alliance. It started Nov. 5, 2008 immediately after the election of Barack Hussein Obama. Morphed into the Tea Party movement, and now the Town Hallers.

    It’s libertarians and conservatives against liberals. And it’s gonna be that way for the foreseeable future, maybe for decades to come. Cause conservatives have become much more libertarian as of late; no more nutty talk on outlawing abortion, jailing marijuana smokers, and stopping homosexuality. Their message is almost purely libertarian these days, which makes us longtime libertarians smile from ear-to-ear!

  16. W is a 911 terrorist

    Really Eric, you don’t say?

    Seems to me that conservatives just passed an anti-gay measure in California and you were just working on one yourself up in Maine, telling people lies about how churches would be forced to marry gays?

    Outlawing abortion has not faded as a conservative issue, they are still out there protesting, raising money, and doing all the things they have been doing. Lately they are trying to pass a personhood amendment for fetuses and zygotes.

    Jailing marijuana smokers. Well, I don’t see them being let out of jail, and I don’t see most conservatives saying they should be let out of jail.

    So nothing has changed.

    Conservatives always talk about cutting taxes and spending, but every time they get elected spending goes way up and so does the debt.

    Nothing new there either.

    What do libertarians gain from such a coalition?

  17. Thomas L. Knapp


    You write:

    “In them thar days, there was no conscious L movement.”

    By the time of the Goldwater campaign, there had been a conscious libertarian movement for the better part of a century and an organized libertarian movement for a couple of decades. Leonard Read had formed the Foundation for Economic Education in 1946. Hayek had started the Mont Pelerin Society in 1947. Circle Bastiat was a decade or so old and the Nathaniel Branden Institute had been around since 1958.

    “I would agree with you (and Dondero!) that some elements of L-ism started to come together during that time frame.”

    Dondero dates the birth of the modern libertarian movement to back when [whomever he’s a fan of this week] did [whatever that person did at some randomly chosen time]. Sometimes it’s Goldwater. Sometimes it’s Rohrabacher. Sometimes its MacBride. He never dates it earlier than the early 60s, and usually to the late 60s.

    I date the founding of the modern libertarian movement to the foundation of FEE in 1946 and its immediate inspirational origins to three 1943 books by three authors (The Discovery of Freedom by Rose Wilder Lane, The God of the Machine by Isabel Paterson, and The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand).

    The earlier American libertarian movement was distinctly leftist and closely associated with American anarchism. The 1908 retirement of Benjamin Tucker and the 1912 death of Voltairine de Cleyre, coupled with the crackdowns and mass deportations of anarchists and WWI imprisonments of radicals.

    From 1920-45 or so, libertarianism was rather inchoate as a movement, and its center of gravity began to move to the right through Mencken, Nock et. al., achieving coherence on the right through Lane, Paterson and Rand.

    It re-emerged as a movement in the immediate post-war era. By 1964, it was large enough for the conservative movement and the GOP to attempt to co-opt it (actually, such attempts began at least as early as 1953 with the founding of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute).

  18. Thomas L. Knapp

    The sentence “The 1908 retirement of Benjamin Tucker and the 1912 death of Voltairine de Cleyre, coupled with the crackdowns and mass deportations of anarchists and WWI imprisonments of radicals.”

    … should have had the following at the end:

    “left the movement drained, disorganized and looking for new torchebearers.”

  19. Thomas M. Sipos

    Gee, wonder what this “conservative libertarian” alliance’s position will be on war and empire?

    Will it call for an immediate withdrawal of all U.S. bases from overseas, as Badnarik had advocated?

    Or at least an immediate withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq and Afghanistan, and no new wars in Iran?

    Republican Ron Paul is more libertarian than is Root.

  20. Obama is a Space Alien

    “The 1908 retirement of Benjamin Tucker and the 1912 death of Voltairine de Cleyre, coupled with the crackdowns and mass deportations of anarchists and WWI imprisonments of radicals.”

    Your sentence appears to be missing something.

  21. Bill Clinton is a Mafia Don

    From the above link:

    “Diarist Darksyde does, in my opinion, an excellence job of explaining the top ten reasons you are not a Libertarian (but are a social/cultural/religious conservative) if you believe:

    Notice a propensity of newly minted Libertarians showing up lately? Perhaps it’s just coincidence their ranks swelled in inverse proportion to George Bush’s approval rating, ditto that so many are mouthing traditional conservative talking points. But what about the everyday gun toting townhall screamers and taxcutters and deficit hawks we see on cable news: are they really libertarian as so many claim, or just conservatives in glibertarian clothes? Here’s a few warning signs.

    10) If you think Ron Paul isn’t conservative enough and Fox News is fair and balanced, you might not be a Libertarian.

    9) If you believe you have an inalienable right to attend Presidential townhalls brandishing a loaded assault rifle, but that arresting participants inside for wearing a pink shirt is an important public safety precaution, there’s a chance you’re dangerously unbalanced, but no chance you’re a Libertarian.

    8) If you think the government should stay the hell out of Medicare, well, you have way, way bigger problems than figuring out if you’re really a Libertarian.

    7) If you rank Anthonin Scalia and Roy Moore among the greatest Justices of all time, you may be bug fuck crazy, but you’re probably not a Libertarian.

    6) You might not be a Libertarian if you think recreational drug use, prostitution, and gambling should be illegal because that’s what Jesus wants.

    5) If you think the separation between church and state applies equally to all faiths except socially conservative Christian fundamentalism, you’re probably not a Libertarian.

    4) You’re probably not a Libertarian if you believe the federal government should remove safety standards and clinical barriers for prescription and OTC medications while banning all embryonic stem cell research, somatic nuclear transfer, RU 486, HPV and cervical cancer vaccination, work on human/non human DNA combos, or Plan B emergency contraception.

    3) If you think state execution of mentally retarded convicts is good policy but prosecuting Scott Roeder or disconnecting Terri Schiavo was an unforgivable sin, odds are you’re not really a Libertarian.

    2) If you argue that cash for clunkers or any form of government healthcare is unconstitutional, but forced prayer or teaching old testament creationism in public schools is fine, you’re not even consistent, much less a Libertarian, and you may be Michele Bachmann.

    And the number one sign: if you think government should stay the hell out of people’s private business — except when kidnapping citizens and rendering them to secret overseas torture prisons, snooping around the bedrooms of consenting adults, policing a woman’s uterus, or conducting warrantless wire taps, you are no Libertarian.

    The first clause in number ten is a little confusing, and a lot of Libertarians would argue that Medicare point in number seven, but by and large it is a decent top ten list.”

  22. Gene Berkman

    The modern libertarian movement has only a metaphysical relationship with anything earlier than 1946, when FEE was founded.

    We read about Ben Tucker & Lysander Spooner in books that other modern libertarians tell us about.

    FEE of course does not engage in political action, nor did NBI. There were individual libertarians who supported Robert Taft in 1948 & 1952 – Rand, Rothbard, Lane etc. The Freeman Magazine before it was bought by FEE was political, and backed Taft and other anti-interventionist Republicans.

    The Goldwater campaign was the first campaign with serious libertarian involvement. The conservative groups it helped – YAF, American Conservative Union, JBS – all were more committed to limited government than the Republican Party as a whole.

    After 1964, Republicans downplayed or even repudiated Goldwater, so in many ways libertarians benefitted more from the Goldwater campaign than the Republican Party did.

    Tom K, you should not let ideology so totally control what you see as the facts of history. Aside from Murray Rothbard – who preferred Mao to Barry – every other libertarian saw the Goldwater campaign as a breakthrough in bringing about an anti-statist movement.

  23. Big complainers, do nothing

    seems to me all you guys do is spend time complaining, blogging and blah, blah, blah, you got the time to do this, why don’t you go out and promote libertarianism. We could use more people to help those that are already working hard to promote 3rd party and we are getting a lot more people joining, there is NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
    People are really fed and tired.

  24. Thomas L. Knapp


    I don’t disagree that the Goldwater campaign was a breakthrough in bringing the libertarian movement to a wider audience and a higher state of organization for realpolitik.

    Its primary accomplishment, however, was to energize the conservative wing of the Republican Party for a long-term struggle for control of the party, culminating in the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 and, as a second-order effect, the “Republican Revolution” of 1994.

    In other words, we got ISIL, Laissez Faire Books and the LP (all of which we could have had any time we wanted to start them with or without the Goldwater campaign), they got the White House for 8 years, the US House for 10 years, and the US Senate for 12 years. If you think that was a good deal, why not ask them? I’m sure they’d be willing to trade places, right?

  25. Aroundtheblockafewtimes

    Brian Dougherty has a book out that pretty
    well covers the roots of the libertarian movement. Perhaps the spark that made the movement “self aware” was when some guy named David Nolan compiled a list of about 100 libertarians within YAF at their 1967 convention in Pittsburgh. These one hundred formed the core of the libertarian caucus within YAF and two years later said goodbye to the conservative youth group. Nolan went on to found the LP.
    Rohrabacher to write presidential speeches and become a congressman, several others founded SIL, another was Karl Hess’ son. As Mr. Knapp notes, however, the YAF conservatives didn’t do too bad either, with David Keene heading up ACU, Don Devine and Robert Moffit running OMP, Bob Bauman serving in Congress, and a whole slew serving in the Reagan and Bush administrations.

  26. Kenneth Benway

    Here is something ALL can rally around.

    We offer part of the solution to the Congressional coup d’etat we’ve seen over the past eight months. The Alliance for Bonded Term Limits is a non-partisan, grassroots organization, established here in Pinehurst, NC in July of this year.

    We believe that long tenure in Congress is inconsistent with good representation and good legislation.

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  27. George Phillies


    We don’t have to wonder what the Root alliance position is on the racist State’s Rights Doctrine — that state voters have the right to ignore the bill of rights. He’s all for it. That’s how he dodges all libertarian social liberties issues; he claims they are issues that voters get to decide in each state.

    Is marijuana legal? — Wayne says state voters decide social issues.
    Do women own their own vaginas, or is abortion illegal? — Wayne says state voters decide social issues.
    Is Federal Funding for stem cell research legal? — Wayne says state voters decide social issues.
    Is online gambling legal?–Wayne says state voters decide social issues.
    Is the sale of alcoholic beverages legal? — Wayne says state voters decide social issues.
    Is pornography legal?–Wayne says state voters decide social issues.

    I remember some older social issues, settled in my lifetime by our Federal Constitution:

    Are married people allowed to buy contraceptives? — Wayne says state voters decide social issues.
    Is the sale of alcoholic beverages legal? —Wayne says state voters decide social issues.
    Is it legal for persons of color to vote in all states (settled after I became a voter)–Wayne says state voters decide social issues.

    The most important conclusion from a detailed reading of Wayne Root’s book is that it is no more likely that Wayne Root is a Libertarian rather than another right-wing conservative than it is that George W Bush was a Goldwater conservative rather than a right-wing authoritarian.

  28. Keith R Deschler

    For pete’s sake, let’s give W.A.R. a chance. He has a lot of libertarian orientation in his basic approach to most issues. He is more of an incrementalist than some of the “Boston Tea Party” types (T. Knapp especially), and that suits us reform-minde LP members just fine. It isn’t just “states rights”, Mr. Phillies, on marriage, abortion, gambling. He wants minimal government intrusion on all these issues, and on economics as well. Let’s get behind him, and get enough capital raised so that he can actually draw disaffected GOPers, Independents, and even a few Blue Dog Democrats to our side. He’s the only LP candidate I’ve seen (other than ED Thompson for Wisconsin governor in 2002) who can even attempt to pull that off.

  29. Gene Berkman

    George @ #38

    I agree that individual rights are more important than “State’s Rights” but I think you overlook an important fact.

    Most Americans tend to favor laws that libertarians oppose. I would like to see marijuana legalized all over America, abortion rights protected, and, teetotaler that I am, I guess I also think people should be allowed to buy alcohol.

    If we can’t get these rights nationwide, but the people of California, for example, were to legalize marijuana, I would like to see “state’s rights” protected in the sense that the feds would leave California alone.

    In 1996 California did pass a Medical Marijuana initiative, and its supporters invoked “Statee’s Rights” when calling on the federal government to respect the wishes of California.

    George, I also think you don’t know your audience when every time you make a point you throw in invectives about “racist” policies or “racist Republican right-wing” policies. People disagree with you because they have different ideas, not necessarily because they are evil.

  30. libertariangirl

    nobody , I mean NOBODY is working harder than wayne Root for the LP right now .for me it isnt a ‘who i like best’ gig or ‘whos the most like me’ gig , its a who will work hardest , who will get the most done and who’s the best person for the job. if Wayne Root decides to run for Pres , he’s got my support.

    go Wayne , you make me tired just thinking about you:)

  31. libertariangirl

    i know ‘states rights ‘ is a hot button phrase but i have a simple question i honestly dont know the answer to .

    what if a majority or people in 1 state did not want pot legalized or any other of the things listed , is it the libertarian position that they be legalized anyway? or is it more likely that different lifestyles and wants and needs would dictate where a person chooses to live ?

    meaning isnt it ok that some states would have legal abortion and s0me not , soe would have legal pot and some not , some gay marriage and some not .

    shouldnt it be left up to not the STATES but the people therein?

  32. Michael H. Wilson

    @ 38 Doctor Phillies writes; “The most important conclusion from a detailed reading of Wayne Root’s book is that it is no more likely that Wayne Root is a Libertarian rather than another right-wing conservative than it is that George W Bush was a Goldwater conservative rather than a right-wing authoritarian.”

    While Root has some responsibilty to find out the details of the LP position on various issues there is also the LP’s responsibilty to help educate newcomers to the party as to what the LP’s position is on the various issue and in my opinion the LP has failed to do that job.

    It is nice to have a statement in the platform on an issue, but it would be even better if the LP had developed some detailed literature on many issues over the years.

    Example. With today’s big issue being healthcare we have nothing that I know of that explains in some detail the LP’s position and why the LP takes that position on the issue. Other organization may have a policy statement, or a brochure, but we have nothing.

    There is plenty of blame to go around on this and the LP needs to accept its share and fix the problem. I’m not suggesting that those who are speaking don’t need to study the issue in more detail. They certainly do! This is something that has gone on for some time and stretches back some years.

    Lets see that it is fixed.

  33. Gene Berkman

    LG @ 43 – as I understand Libertarianism, the libertarian position is that – morally – marijuana should be legal everywhere, even if people in some places don’t want it legal. Personal rights trump democracy.

    As a practical matter, it is more likely to either be ILLEGAL everywhere, or legal only in selected areas. So supporting local self-determination probably would be a more successful approach for maximing freedom – at least for some people.

  34. Tom Blanton

    Root’s rhetoric is the stereotypical rhetoric of Republicans seeking to appeal to small government conservatives. I’ve been hearing this tripe all my life and I’ve yet to see anything come of it except the horrible mess we have today.

    Of course Republicans sound very libertarian these days – they always do when Democrats are in charge. Just like the Democrats sound very libertarian when Republicans are in charge. But we all know how they act when they are in office, don’t we?

    An alliance with conservatives will only bring in more disgruntled conservatives carrying the GOP gene to the LP. No LP candidate will be elected, but whatever libertarianism remains in the LP will be eroded further.

    Not that the LP needs liberals either. It needs libertarians. Unfortunately, the LP is alienating libertarians and doing nothing to convert political agnostics to libertarianism.

    It is also amusing to read George Phillies’ paranoid rants about his fears of a weak central government unable to protect his rights. He sounds almost like a “progressive”. If I could eliminate the federal government by pushing a button, I’d push it before you could blink. Then poor George would be subject to the tyranny of his state but most of us would have much more liberty.

    Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, and liberals are all my enemies – and the enemies of my enemies are not always my friends. I might not like the Democrats, but I’ll be damned if I’ll ally with Republicans just to help them take over.

    LP members should buy Mr. Root a silver hammer that he can use to hammer the last nail into the LP coffin. The new zombie LP will probably resemble an interventionist paleocon. Maybe one day the LP could have a Glenn Beck/Neal Boortz ticket.

  35. David F. Nolan

    l-girl @42 – While Wayne Root is undeniably energetic, energy alone does not make one a good candidate. Root is, in his own words, “a libertarian conservative.” (See IPR article on Thom Hartman interview for the latest instance.) And note that “conservative” is the main descriptor in this phrase, with “libertarian” as a modifier. That’s why, as things currently stand, I could not support him as an LP candidate for President.

    Root is pretty good (not great, but pretty good) on economic issues, but waffles almost as badly as Bob Barr on personal liberties. Instead of taking a consistent pro-individual rights stance, he falls back on the Federalist argument: let the states decide.

    From what little I know about you, you are concerned about personal liberties at least as much as you care about economic issues. So think long and hard about what you want in a candidate before you pledge your troth to Root just because he’s energetic.

  36. Aroundtheblockafewtimes

    And so goes the eternal debate on the purpose of the LP. Is it to provide libertarian ideas in the context of political action, thereby making more libertarians or is it to win elections by stretching the tent so big that enough non-libertarians can stand inside? Is it to be a party of Libertarians or a coalition of whomever thinks they can get a majority of the vote using quasi-libertarian rhetoric? Many, if not most, of the early LPers thought the more attractive libertarian ideas would be co-opted by Republicans or Democrats – that is, the LP would pull the major parties in its direction by the soundness and brilliance of its ideas. Others see actual electoral victory by being pulled toward Republicans and Democrats who agree on one or more issues with LPers. Both models have pros and cons. Both may lead to eventual victor. But the LP can’t be both models at once! Maybe we should just let the LP be a party of actual Libertarians who run the LP and those who want to achieve electoral victory through coalitions form a libertarian caucus in whatever major party attracts them?

  37. Solomon Drek

    Finally Root shows his true colors. Just another Reagan wannabee. Didn’t we have enough of that rightwing claptrap in the 1980s? I suppose some of the posters here are too young to remember.

    Root reminds me of Arlen Specter running for president in 1996 describing himself as a “fiscal conservative and social libertarian”.

    The Republican Liberty Caucus (the political equivalent of Jews For Jesus) and their shills on this website won’t be happy about this. It means they’ll have to compete with the LP for conservative votes.

    Republicans always sound like libertarians when they are out of power and can’t even mount a filibuster. But when they get back in they’re like alcoholics who just broke into a liquor store.

    The LP gets what they deserve with the likes of Wayne Root. I respect George Phillies and Mary Ruwart, even if I don’t always agree with them at least they are consistent about their beliefs and don’t pander to Republican rightwingers for the sake of a few tenths of a percentage point at the ballot box.

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