Libertarian Party HQ assistance request: Plotting members of Congress on the Nolan Chart

Email to me and several other people from LP Exceutive Director Wes Benedict:

I would love to see an updated chart like this: http://freedomdemocrats.org/files/2006%20Nolan%20Chart.GIF (P: for explanation, see http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/812)

We used something similar in Texas: http://www.lptexas.org/retired/docs/LegislativeScoreboard2007.pdf

I don’t have time to do it.
Thanks,


Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
2600 Virginia Ave. N.W., Suite 200
Washington, D.C. 20037
(202) 333-0008 ext. 222
(202) 333-0072 (fax)
wes.benedict@lp.org
Join the Libertarian Party at: https://www.lp.org/membership

P: A new yahoo group has been established for this project. Ideas on relevant votes and other aspects of the project can also be added in the comments here.

Other attempts to score Congress on the Nolan Quiz include ones by the Republican Liberty Caucus and http://ontheissues.org/.

23 thoughts on “Libertarian Party HQ assistance request: Plotting members of Congress on the Nolan Chart

  1. Robert Milnes

    Good idea. & good work so far. However, IMO the Nolan chart needs to be tweaked as we compare the results to what we know about reactionary congresscritters. For example, Ron Paul is no a libertarian. He turns up within the Libertarian zone but on the extreme right line. That line should be moved or adjusted or the questions/answers reevaluated. Also we know there are not that many liberals in the democratic party. IT is flush with Reagan/Clinton democrats. Perhaps just renaming this quadrant would be sufficient.

  2. Robert Milnes

    & my evaluation of Teddy Roosevelt is that late in his career he must have evolved to left libertarianism. Yet Nolan chart work has been done on him describing him as authoritarian. Reality check: how can the founder of the Progressive Party-a republican, NOT have been a libertarian at that point in time?

  3. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob,

    I doubt that TR would have scored within 100 miles of Dr. Phillies at any point in his career.

    You might want to actually study TR’s ideas, personality and career before trying to politically classify him.

  4. The Last Conservative

    Tom is right on this, and so is my ex-friend Catholic Trotskyist. Most importantly, TR was a foreign interventionist, and a right-wing Christian. If he is close to any libertarian, it would be Wayne Root.

  5. Robert Milnes

    TLK/tLC, then how do you explain TR founder of the Progressive party splitting off from the Republican party? Much as the LP did in the early 1970’s.

  6. Robert Milnes

    TR was a foreign interventionist/progressive. Ron Paul is a noninterventionist/counterrevolutionary. This goes to the issue of noninterventionism/nationalism/counterrevolutionary. v. interventionist/internationalist/progressive/revolutionary. I’d rather have the latter thanthe former.

  7. Robert Milnes

    OK, everybody. I was given credit by a mailorder company. They have a mini laptop so I ordered it. Should arrive in a few days. I don’t know how I’m going to pay for it! I just lost my best credit card. Now, should I switch from ATT 3G at 60/mo to CLEAR 4G at 45/mo? It is available in Philadelphia metro area. But it has less access area than ATT which also is not 100% access available in USA. 4G is 4x faster than 3G.

  8. Brian Holtz

    OnTheIssues.org has an excellent dataset, but their scoring is not very accurate for our purposes, because they

    * score gun freedom as an economic freedom
    * score campaign-speech spending as an economic freedom
    * score the death penalty as contrary to freedom (whereas the LP takes no stand on it)
    * score three-strikes legislation without regard to the victimful/victimless crime distinction
    * score war/defense issues on the “Social” axis, while The Advocates have always excluded these topics as orthogonal.

  9. Irv Rubin lives

    “As of 11:39 am, Pacific Time, Bruce Cohen, and as of 8:07 pm, Pacific Time, Matthew Barnes, have had their memberships in the Libertarian Party of California suspended for cause.”

  10. The Last Conservative

    Robert, TR was a right-wing Christian to the end of his life. The progressive movement was a lot different back then, and included people who would be considered conservatives now, like prohibitionists. Of course none of them are true conservatives, but that’s another story.

  11. The Last Conservative

    Of course, he was more to the left on environmental issues, and maybe libertarian on a few other issues, but he was just as statist as Taft and Wilson in the 1912 election. Some actually argue that Taft was the more libertarian.

  12. Robert Milnes

    I don’t think progressivism was much different hen & now. Also IMO the progressives didn’t have much to do with passing the 18th amendment. But they were involved in it’s correction by repeal via 21st Amendment. & we can’t expect a person to change religious views as rapidly as political. I stand by my conclusions about TR. 2 things about him I wonder about-how could he be so wrong about Taft? Making him his heir apparent to progressivism that led to Taft leading the conservatives against him. 2. why didn’t he perceive the power of the fusion ticket & recruit a progressive democrat for vp?

  13. Bluto

    Robert, “The Last Conservative” is right regarding TR. You could not be more off in in classifying him as a left libertarian. There is nothing “left” about TR, in the modern sense of “left” except for perhaps environmentalism. TR was right wing christian til the end, and foreign interventionist. As a contemporary described him, “The Preacher Militant.” Whereas todays left is militantly secular-humanist. TR only left the GOP to found the progressive party because he kinda got screwed out of the GOP nomination by the party power brokers of the time.
    Considering TR’s ethos of rugged individualism, aka “the strenuous life” and moral/social proclivities, I think he’d have nothing to do with todays progressive movement. Some quotes from his autobiography:

    “…no exercise of collective power will ever avail if the average individual does not keep his or her sense of personal duty, initiative, and responsibility. There is need to develop all the virtues that have the state for their sphere of action; but these virtues are as dust in a windy street unless back of them lie the strong and tender virtues of a family life based on the love of the one man for the one woman and on their joyous and fearless acceptance of their common obligation to the children that are theirs.”

    and

    “we must frown with the same stern severity on the mean and vicious envy which hates and would plunder a man because he is well off and on the brutal and selfish arrogance which looks down on and exploits the man with whom life has gone hard.”

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