Chuck Baldwin: Identifying Our Friends

By Chuck Baldwin

To a packed out crowd of over 500 Montanans who had assembled in minus zero weather to hear me speak, I made the statement, “Not all Christians are our friends, and not all non-Christians are our enemies.” Indeed, being able to identify our friends is more than half the battle.

When I spoke of identifying friends or enemies, I was talking about one’s overall positive or negative contribution to the principles of liberty. I will say it again, not all Christians are our friends, and not all non-Christians are our enemies. This is difficult for many Christians to wrap their brains around, I know.

I will go one step further: in America today, claiming a new birth Christian experience means absolutely nothing when it comes to defending liberty principles. After traveling more than 60,000 miles over the past two years to virtually every crack and corner of this vast country, my studied observation is that the ratio of Christians to non-Christians who are true freedom fighters is probably no better than 50%. I will further say that often times Christians are actually greater enemies to freedom than are non-Christians. I never thought I would hear myself say that, but, today, I really believe it.

I am so thankful I was brought to Christ at a young age by sincere, genuine Christian parents, because if I was looking at the attitudes and actions of many professing Christians today, I would be totally repulsed by both Christians and churches. In many ways, I am anyway! And I totally understand why many unbelievers never want to darken the door of a church. I especially understand it on behalf of those freedom-minded unbelievers who properly recognize the Church as a willing accomplice of the emerging Orwellian society that the elites in Washington, D.C., and elsewhere are quickly creating.

Can one imagine virtually any prominent Christian spokesman from the so-called “Religious Right” in America today saying, “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom–go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” Yet, in the mid-1700s, there was no more outspoken Christian than the author of those words: Samuel Adams.

Imagine any modern-day Christian leader saying, “Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” Who said that? Our first President, George Washington, who at his first inauguration put the Bible to his lips, kissed it and said, “So help me God.”

Yet, many, if not most, of today’s Christian leaders and pastors view government, not as a “dangerous servant” and “fearful master,” but as much a master as God Himself, and themselves as its humble servant. In fact, when many Christians are forced to choose between submission to government and submission to God, they will choose government every time. Believe me, I’ve tasted this bitter pill up close and personal!

Or, imagine a prominent Christian leader speaking these words today: “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.” Of course, the famous Virginian, Patrick Henry, spoke those words. And anyone who has studied the life of Henry knows there was not a finer Christian gentleman who ever graced American soil than he. And remember, these words were not spoken against a foreign government, but against the government to which he was subject.

In fact, if one wants to incur the ire and derision of the average Christian pastor today, just start quoting anything from America’s Founding Fathers.

All over America, FEMA representatives are instructing willing pastors to assist the federal government by encouraging their congregants to surrender their firearms, should the President declare a “national emergency.” All over America, pastors and churches are eagerly accepting tax-generated “faith based initiative” monies. All over America, pastors (and church boards) are scared silly to do anything that might jeopardize their church’s IRS tax-exempt status. All over America, pastors are misusing and abusing Romans 13 to justify turning free men and women into government slaves.

I am reminded of the trenchant words of Martin Luther, who said, “If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved. And to be steady on all the battlefields besides is merely flight and disgrace, if he flinches at that point.”

Luther was right! When it comes to defending the great (not little) principles of freedom and liberty against which Satan and his minions are currently attacking, it seems that most Christians and pastors and filled with “flight” and “disgrace.”

For example, why is it left to people such as Jesse Ventura to fight these Nazi-like, sexually invasive, humiliating harassments by TSA agents at America’s airports? Where is Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Joel Osteen, or Rick Warren?

See Ventura’s story at:

Furthermore, where were America’s pastors and Christians when George W. Bush was creating this gargantuan surveillance society that is now snooping and spying on virtually everything we do, say, earn, or purchase? Where were they when George H.W. Bush’s attack dogs killed Vicki Weaver and her son, Sammy, outside Ruby Ridge, Idaho? Where were they when Bill Clinton’s and Janet Reno’s Stormtroopers were murdering over 80 American citizens (most of whom were old men, women, and children) outside Waco, Texas? They “flinched!” And they continue to “flinch!”

It is going to be very interesting to watch how this freedom fight evolves. I suspect that when push comes to shove and the lines of demarcation are finally drawn, it will shock us who winds up on what side. I stand by my statement: not all Christians are our friends, and not all non-Christians are our enemies.

29 thoughts on “Chuck Baldwin: Identifying Our Friends

  1. Timothy Yung

    Okay first he is right. Several people in the religious right scare me with their backing of the Patriot Act and foreign invasions. The social conservatives who believe that the government should be shrink and is inefficient want the government in charge of social issues. I am like Chuck Baldwin a pro-liberty Christian. That means although I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman the government should not be involved in licensing marriages at all. There are a boatload of sinful activities that should be de-criminalized:
    1. prostitution
    2. drug usage
    3. bigamy
    4. online gambling
    5. consensual incest

  2. Country Blumpkin

    @2 So, what, if anything, makes you different from a libertarian? I would say nothing. What do you say?

  3. Observer

    This article by Mr. Baldwin is very good. I appreciate that he’s calling out the Christians who aren’t trying to further the cause of Liberty. When I say in, no one listens!

  4. Timothy Yung

    By the way many of the anti-liberty Christians are really idol worshipers. They worship the state as god. They believe in what Pat Buchanan calls Messianic Neo-Conservatism where George W. Bush brings salvation to the Middle East through invasions and forced democratization. They are pro-Empire building even though Jesus Christ was the biggest opponent the Roman Empire ever faced. The Neo-Con Christians reject the Augustine and John Calvin’s Just War conceptions. The Neo-Cons Christians have no problem with NAFTA, WTO, GATT which are gradually merging the USA into a one-world government.

  5. Timothy Yung

    @3 I am a Ron Paul Republican who is pro-life. I am tolerant of any activity until it harms another person without their consent. I am also for some policing of our borders although I am not sure we should build a fence.

  6. Timothy Yung

    @3 Finally I am not a free-trader but rather a fair trader. If a country wants free-trade then they should lower their tariffs first. Many free-trade agreements result in us letting them dump their products while their government gives them subsidies and put tariffs on our products.
    I guess I am more libertarian than Chuck Baldwin but slightly less than Bob Barr.

  7. paulie Post author


    I hope you’ll forgive me for my inability to resist being an evangelist when it comes to libertarian gospel for a minute :-0

    If you haven’t had a chance to read these essays yet, and have an hour or two to do so,

    I would be interested to get any feedback you can provide on what you find persuasive, what you don’t, and why.

    Others who share your views on these matters: I am talking to y’all too.

    No rush, and I hope I am not being too pushy – it’s a tendency I’m trying to control with some limited success.

  8. paulie Post author

    I don’t think Timothy said, or meant, that the LP should dissertation services kamagra review blogs apa format for poster presentation the best website for writing essay how to download email attachment on iphone 4s generic link propecia user viagra here real viagra uk buy history research paper where to buy viagra 100mg source link best online essay writers viagra forsale best online essay writer watch click viagra fГјr mann kaufen click see custom research paper writing services viagra daily methadone side effects change the presentation so that the slide number is not on the slide can propecia cause erection problems viagra erection for 4 hours cheap dissertation help lead with that. Since he is not in the LP, he did not say his party, the GOP, should lead with it either.

    He just said that he personally does not think it should be illegal.

    Personally, I agree that it should be legal. I also agree that it is not anywhere close to the many transgressions of government that I would emphasize. Too many transgressions, too little time.

  9. Timothy Yung

    @ 11
    I will try to read the essays when I have time.
    Of course the LP or any other party should not lead with the legalization of consensual incest. They should lead with restoring liberty by giving personhood to the unborn, ending the Patriot Act, ending foreign wars, and ending the drug wars. I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 and might vote for CP candidates in the future but the CP platform is too rigid.

    BTW while I am officially a Republican I have and will continue to be willing to support both LP and CP candidates. Most recently I voted for Dale Ogden for governor.

  10. langa

    Timothy, many libertarians (including myself) are against abortion, and the LP platform takes a basically neutral position on the issue.

  11. Cody Quirk

    By the way many of the anti-liberty Christians are really idol worshipers. They worship the state as god. They believe in what Pat Buchanan calls Messianic Neo-Conservatism where George W. Bush brings salvation to the Middle East through invasions and forced democratization. They are pro-Empire building even though Jesus Christ was the biggest opponent the Roman Empire ever faced. The Neo-Con Christians reject the Augustine and John Calvin’s Just War conceptions. The Neo-Cons Christians have no problem with NAFTA, WTO, GATT which are gradually merging the USA into a one-world government.

    = AMEN! And the two websites that represent this pharisee & sacrilegious view is World Net Daily & the Free Republic forum.

  12. francis barto

    and yet chuckie sells his auotgrpahed picture on his website for $20.00. (whats that smell??) :0

  13. francis barto

    Okay, imo a pastor a preacher a MAN OF GOD, their job is to inform people about the bible. They can write sermons, that inspire etc…When a pastor a preacher a MAN OF GOD (cough) starts to sell smiling pictures of THEMSELVES, it stinks to high Heaven! (excuse the pun) This practice of narcissism by so called preachers…is appalling. His ego has come into play, and GOD takes a back seat in ole chuckie babies Gold Mercedes! 🙂

  14. Cody Quirk

    BTW, preachers can make a little money on the side however they want. If you have a problem with that, then don’t buy from him.

  15. Don Grundmann

    Cody – You have to realize that ” francis barto ” is ( yet again ) another fake name by that internet troll ADL/SPLC agent who is already working on smearing Chuck in whatever possible way, no matter how ludicrous or tiny, in advance of any campaign he may launch. Just as he continuously and outrageously lied about Chelene so he will endlessly lie about Chuck since he, like his Masters, is dedicated to destroying the conservative/patriot movement inour nation. As the bag-man for the Robinson Crime Syndicate his evil never rests.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  16. Pima Community College Conservative Tea Party Patriot

    He’s making a list, he’s checking it twice
    He’ll reload, not retreat if you haven’t been nice
    Chuckie Claus is coming to town
    Chuckie Claus is coming to town
    Oh yeah

    Pima Community College Conservative Tea Party Patriot

  17. Mark Seidenberg


    Don “Everything is a Fake” Grundmann has not been a member of the State Central Committee of the American Independent Party, since September 2, 2008. He has never been it’s Chairman.

    He has not been on the National Committee of the
    American Independent Party also since September 2, 2008.

    He claims to be Chairman of the Constitution Party of California to Secretary of State Bowen.

    He is not a member of the Alameda County Central Committee. This can be confirmed with
    Mr. Patrick Colglazier, Chairman, Alameda County Central Committee of the American Independent Party (who resides in Fremont,

    Former AIP California State Chairman Ed Noonan removed Dr.
    Don Grundmann from his office as Area Director
    in early 2008.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  18. Country Steamer


    This thread will now turn into an endless circle jerk as Mark Seidenberg, Don Grudmann, and probably Don Lake and Cody Quirk before too long, along with a person who posts under a lot of different names including francis barto, call each other the same names and engage in the same “I know you are but what am I” level of discussion, repeating the same things they have said over and over and over and over and over again on numerous past CP threads on IPR.

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