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[edit]Summary of problem
independentpoliticalreport.com is an unedited link aggregator that has been repeatedly rejected by RS/N.
0/183 potential uses have been checked. 0/111 affected articles have been checked. Fifelfoo (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
[edit]RS/N report
Wikipedia:Reliable_Sources/Noticeboard#The_.22Indendent_Political_Report.22 (non permanent)
[edit]Progress on clean-up
49/183 items over 10/111 articles
2010 Libertarian National Conventionremoved source, duplicate spam link. Fifelfoo (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)Alexander Snitker x2removed both uses as redundant, citing from another source more broadly to cover Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)America’s Party (political party)removed, redundant reference Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Barry Cooper (lecturer)removed, redundant reference Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Bill Still x3resolved. Lord Sjones23 (talk – contributions) 02:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)Bob Barrremoved claim absent better sourcing Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Bob Barr presidential campaign, 2008 x7Some fundamentally dubious claims (BLP slapfighting, claims attributed to other outlets). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)Bob Bird (activist)replaced reference with better source Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Boston Tea Party (political party) x2replaced or removed as possible Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Brian Moore presidential campaign, 2008 x4replaced where possible, cut quote with no other referencing, removed redundant uses Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)California Proposition 19 (2010)removed 1 redundant use, replaced 1 Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Cannabis in Oregondupe citation, removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)Carl Personreplaced ref, rewrote section, removed BLP vandalism Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Charles Jayremoved as non-critical claim Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Christina Lópezremoved, redundant reference Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Chuck Baldwin presidential campaign, 2008 x7Wacky, wacky uses. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)- Cindy Sheehan
- Citizens Party of the United States x2
- Clinton N Howard
- Connecticut gubernatorial election, 2010
- Constitution Party (United States)
- Constitution Party National Convention x3
- Cynthia McKinney presidential campaign, 2008 x3
- Darcy Richardson
- Darrell Castle x2
- David Krikorian
Deaths in November 2009=> {{cn}} Fifelfoo (talk) 01:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)Deaths in September 2008=> {{cn}} Fifelfoo (talk) 01:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)Dennis Mikolayremoved Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Florida Whig Party x2both replaced Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Frank Fluckigerreplaced Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Gary Chartiercut, material was one of several positive reviews of the same book from political allies Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Gary T. Steeleexpired prod, as of 2012-10-02 Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Gayle McLaughlinreplaced Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)George Wallace presidential campaign, 1968replaced Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Gordon Clark (activist)replaced Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Green Party of Floridaremoved, redundant reference Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Green Party of the United Statesreplaced Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)International Society for Individual Libertyremoved, redundant reference Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)- James P. Gray x2
- Jerry White (socialist)
- Jill Stein
- Jim Clymer
- Jim Duensing x4
- Jim Lendall
- John Eder
- Jordan White (musician)
- Kristin M. Davis
- Laurence Kotlikoff x2
- Laurie Roth
- Laurie Roth
- LeAlan Jones
- Libertarian Party (United States)
- Libertarian Party of Alabama x2
- Libertarian Party of Michigan
- Libertarian Party of Missouri
- LPRadicals x3
- Malik Rahim
- Merlin Miller
- Michael Badnarik
- Mississippi Reform Party
Modern Whig Party x5resolved, largely by removing citations. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)- Monetary policy
- New Jersey elections, 2009
- New Jersey gubernatorial election, 2009
- New York gubernatorial election, 2010
- Office of Technology Assessment
- Our America Initiative
- Paul C. McKain
- Peta Lindsay
- Pirate Party
- R. Lee Wrights x4
- Randy Credico
- Randy Stufflebeam
- Rebekah Kennedy
- Republican Party presidential candidates, 2012
- Rhonda Martini
- Richard Winger
- RJ Harris (politician) x3
- Robby Wells
- Robert David Steele
- Rosa Clemente
- Roy Moore
- Sam Sloan
Scott Boman x3URL not found.–69.129.157.2 (talk) 05:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)Socialist Party USABLP quote & source removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)- Sonny Landham x2
- Stephen P. Gordon
- Ted Weill x2
- Third party (United States)
- Tiffany Briscoe x2
- Tom Hoefling
- Tom Stevens (politician) x2
- Tom Tancredo
- United States House of Representatives elections in Florida, 2010
- United States presidential election, 2008
- United States presidential election, 2008 timeline
- United States presidential election, 2012 x3
- United States presidential election, 2012 timeline
- United States Senate election in Connecticut, 2010
- United States Senate election in Florida, 2010
- United States Senate election in Illinois, 2010
- United States Senate election in Michigan, 2008
- United States Senate election in Nevada, 2010
- United States third party and independent presidential candidates, 2008
- United States third party and independent presidential candidates, 2012 x21+
BLPs, so many BLP claims. Fifelfoo (talk) 11:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)Unresolved due to editwarring by page’s editors. Currently at discussion on article talk page. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:04, 4 July 2012 (UTC) Vermin Supremeremoved from BLP with otherwise unsourced claims removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)Virgil Gooderemoved from BLP with otherwise unsourced claims removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)Virginia’s 1st congressional district election, 2008removed from BLP claim with otherwise unsourced claims removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)Wayne Allyn Root x5removed from BLP with otherwise unsourced claims removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)William E. Dannemeyerremoved from BLP with otherwise unsourced claims removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
This happened before April 1st.
“Wikipedia Attacks IPR’s Credibility As A News Source”
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Given the stories IPR published on April 1st, why is anyone surprised at the above headline? 🙂
@CT, what is your Wikipedia Username?
I found ThirdPartyWatch (our predecessor site) on Wikipedia’s Recent Deaths page when Prohibition Party presidential candidate Earl Dodge died in 2007. the rest is history. I am a mostly retired Wikipedia administrator; I will try to deal with this.
More so once you step further outside the establishment.
@24 that’s not just alt politics, that’s politics in general.
Could be Tom Stevens. Or any of a number of wacko haters we have had. Alt party politics seems to attract them…
This also makes me think we’re doing something right, meaning posing some threat to someone. Why else would someone at Wikipedia care?
I also don’t think it’s too big of a big deal.
If anyone thinks Steve M knows anything about blogging, read his comments on both of the new Nevada threads. If nothing else, they will amuse you.
Why are over half of the first 19 posts from the same person?
He has an addiction too. But in his case it is to tear down other people’s work, not to build anything up.
That’s gunna hurt traffic badly.
Not really. Wikipedia is not a huge source of traffic here.
As for the rest:
It’s also nonsense that we don’t do original reporting; although most of the stories aren’t original (this is even true of professional news operations, BTW), IPR publishes many stories that are not published anywhere else first.
Steve M.’s crusade is completely bogus. We put in a huge amount of time at no pay to bring you all sides, and when errors are found they are corrected.
If anyone wants to hire me to do this full time, I’m willing. I need to be able to spend at least a hundred dollars a day on motels and food, and additional money would be nice to be able to travel to various places to cover stories live, but not an absolute requirement. The minimum I need to have to be able to spend is $100/day and I would make this my full time gig.
I’ve already put in thousands of hours as a volunteer and recruited most of the other writers here. I’ll guess I’ve spent over 10,000 hours easily in the nearly 5 years IPR has been around. I did get paid once, $500 or so the first time IPR was sold for my “share” of the ownership then.
Otherwise, it is what it is – enjoy the results of my unhealthy addiction (that has cost me tens of thousands of dollars at the very least in opportunity costs, maybe more), stay mad about it, or go away. I don’t care.
Why are over half of the first 19 posts from the same person?
I thought lawyers resolve these issues.I gave wiki some $$ when they asked so I would ofcourse give to IPR,
Smart Alex…. Paulie had 1 very correct statement on this issue… It costs money to reach a minimal level…. How about… those who agree with the leanings the slant of certain contributors help meet these costs?
I don’t have a problem with making donations to web sites that I think meet credibility or are trying to and deserve help. I do so with 2 others. I would do so with IPR if IPR would make a commitment to meeting professional journalistic standards. Not meet them but produce a plan towards meeting them.
How about those of you who think IPR is important making that level of commitment? Cash for more professionalism?
@2
The attack was launched by fifelfoo 21st june 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fifelfoo
and continued by Squeamish_Ossifrage starting 27th March 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Squeamish_Ossifrage
That’s the problem Steve S… IPR posts all views but doesn’t document or verify sources. As bad as Fox News and CNN and even the Washington Post can be they generally make an effort to verify… IPR just publishes what ever ends up in the contributors in box. Journalism is more the IPR and IPR is far below fox and CNN and those guys might not go far enough…But they do fact check… then they write their slanted articles.
Steve S… it might be a fair question to ask… how does wikipedia treat reports from say fox new?
What IPR is running up against is documented here at wikipedia…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources_noticeboard
If IPR doesn’t meet journalistic standards then don’t expect places like wikipedia to take them serious. wikipedia itself shouldn’t be taken serious…
Steve Sheetz and Alex. do you think I care what you think….. try discussing the issues and I would find you interesting. Otherwise… I just ignore you… You might try that with me…
But hey believe what you like… don’t put any effort into thinking or trying to understand whats going on around you.
Steve S, Steve M is a troll. All he does is come here to argue.
I am not so certain that this hurts IPR readership numbers… the national enquirer for example seems to have maintained readership, the issue is more scholarly… if you want to be a primary news source you have to be able to document where you are getting your information from. 1st hand sources for example instead of just regurgitating other news sources or “anonymous” sources.
“That Standard” as in the one you referenced with this link:
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
Steve M @ 4: Then why the f-ck are you hanging around? No one is making you.
SteveM, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, etc… NONE of them meet that standard.
They tell HALF truths, colored truths, and a great deal of spin. If you believe that IPR does not meet THAT level of standard, then I will say that I agree.
IPR is much better than that. IPR posts all views, and allows everyone involved to comment. If you have a problem with this standard, I suggest you find another place to obtain your news.
Sincerely,
Steve Scheetz
for wikipedia they have their own reliable source stipulations which can be found here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources
@3 nothing to do with 3rd parties everything to do with meeting some level of standard.
I have nothing to do with wikipedia but they are correct.
IPR doesn’t comply with generally accepted journalist standards. As such its more of a gossip rag then a news source.
I have had this discussion with paulie and he flat out states that IPR wont meet this professional level of standard.
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
Last summer I e-mailed a few Wikipedians involved in the “white supremacist” label used on the A3P page. It ultimately resulted in https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/07/a3p-nominee-merlin-miller-responds-to-white-supremacist-label-on-wikipedia-page/. One of the Wikipedians I contacted for that article posted on a Wikipedia noticeboard questioning whether IPR was a reliable source. One of the responders (Fifelfoo) then created the page referenced in this article. I worked to stop the page from being effective in its early stages and even requested its deletion. It was not deleted, but Fifelfoo soon gave up his efforts. Recently, this Squamish character has come around and resumed Fifelfoo’s work. I know nothing about Squamish or why he is doing this.
Something happened 3 days ago, but I believe that was before the latest Nevada thread. Does someone in particular have a beef with us, or is this part of the continuing plan to further marginalize third parties?
Who is Squamish Ossifrage, who appears to have launched a one-man campaign against IPR, or perhaps I misread the claims here?
That’s gunna hurt traffic badly.