Libertarian Party of Nevada Postpones its Convention

This announcement was sent out this morning from the Libertarian Party of Nevada:

We regret to announce that we are forced to postpone the 2013 Libertarian Party of Nevada State Convention. The convention will no longer be held on Saturday April 27, 2013, as originally scheduled.
The Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Nevada does not take this decision lightly, but is compelled to do so because, during the past week, the resources of the National Libertarian Party were used in an unethical manner in an attempt to influence the outcome of the Convention. An email was sent from the official party address info@lp.org appearing to endorse a declared candidate for chairman of the Libertarian Party of Nevada, Brett Pojunis. The email also urged recipients to contact Brett Pojunis, who is not authorized to represent the Libertarian Party of Nevada in any official capacity, for further information.

Brett Pojunis drafted the email in question and presented it to the Libertarian National Committee Chairman under the pretense that it was intended to promote the 2013 Libertarian Party of Nevada State Convention. This was an abuse of authority by Brett Pojunis who currently serves as Region 4 Representative to the LNC, and a violation of the trust of the Chairman of the Libertarian National Committee.

In a follow up email, Libertarian National Committee Chairman Geoff Neale apologized to Nevada Libertarians for not reviewing the request in its entirety and acknowledged that it was inappropriate for Brett Pojunis, candidate for State Chair, to be featured in this email.

The current Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Nevada has never used party resources to promote any candidate for any Executive Committee position, and never will. In the case of a party office, such activity is completely unethical. Although there are no laws governing such behavior within a non-governmental body, it is highly unethical and would call into question the integrity of the organization.

Because of the intolerable interference of the National Party in the affairs of a State Party attempting to use its resources to influence the outcome of 2013 Libertarian Party of Nevada State Convention, the Executive Committee has decided that the appropriate action at this time is to postpone the 2013 State Convention until later in the year. The new date for the convention will be announced in accordance with party bylaws.

Furthermore, the Executive Committee has decided that Brett Pojunis must be held accountable for his actions. As a result, we are formally announcing that Brett Pojunis no longer represents the Libertarian Party of Nevada on the Libertarian National Committee and we officially withdraw from Region 4. Furthermore, we encourage other states in Region 4 to consider withdrawing their support for Mr. Pojunis as regional representative because of his unethical behavior.

We hope that these events do not discourage anyone from further involvement with the Libertarian Party of Nevada. Our goal is to ensure the party operates in a fair and ethical manner. We hope that you will join us for the 2013 Libertarian Party of Nevada State Convention later in the year.

UPDATE

Here is the email from LPHQ that the above LPNV posting is referencing. It was sent on April 16:

UPDATE 2:

The following email was sent on April 20 to the same list (LP national members living in Nevada with email addresses on file with LPHQ):

Valued LP Nevada members:

I wish to apologize to you personally for a message you received recently from our national office regarding your upcoming state convention. The message below is MOST of what you received, but a portion of it has been removed.

Brett Pojunis, the LNC Regional Representative for Nevada, requested that I approve sending an email to all LP National Members in Nevada to promote your upcoming state convention. In my opinion, it is totally consistent with the purpose of the LP to promote any state convention, and also appropriate for LNC Regional Representatives to make this kind of request.

I did approve sending the previous message, but I did not catch the fact that this message contained links and information on contacting Mr. Pojunis directly in addition to your official websites.

Unfortunately, it really was inappropriate of me to approve the message in its entirety, since Mr. Pojunis is not currently in an any official role within your state party, and is also a declared candidate for Chair of the Libertarian Party of Nevada. While we on the LNC strongly support attendance at every state convention, we have now given the unwarranted impression that we are trying to influence the outcome of your upcoming election. We are not.

It is my strongest desire that your upcoming convention be well attended, that each and every rule of your Bylaws be resolutely followed, and that the entire Nevada membership have confidence in the processes of your convention, even if some do not like the outcome. For my part, I will be happy to work with whoever your delegates choose to lead them.

Geoffrey Neale
Chairman, Libertarian Party

What followed was the same email as above graphic, minus the part that says “contact me for more” and what follows it.

UPDATE 3:

From Geoff Neale today to the LNC and State Chairs lists:

From: Geoffrey Neale Date: Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Subject: [Lnc-discuss] LP Nevada Convention postponement and accusations of LNC impropriety
To: lnc-discuss@lp.org, statechairs@lp.org

To all LNC members and State Chairs:

Today the Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Nevada postponed their convention. The text of their announcement in its entirety is included at the bottom of this email.

This will be my humble attempt to shed as much light as possible on this regrettable occurrence, and clarify my involvement.

Brett Pojunis, currently the LNC Region 4 Representative for the states of Nevada, Arkansas, New York and New Mexico. Region 4 also includes California, but under their regional structure, Brett is only a tertiary representative for California.

Brett has also declared and is actively seeking the position of Chair of LP Nevada.

Recently, Brett asked me if he could request an email notification be sent to the national members within Nevada regarding their convention. His stated intent was to make sure everyone in Nevada knew about the upcoming convention. I approved this in principle, as long as the intent and message was a facts based “public service” type of announcement, intended to promote overall involvement. LPHQ does make such notifications, and I feel it is completely consistent of LPHQ to enter into such activities at the request of either the affiliate or their Regional Representative.

The email that Brett crafted and forwarded to staff was predominantly a “public service” type announcement, except that it was “signed” by Brett, and included links and references to himself. For the record, there were clear and proper links to all the appropriate LP Nevada sites and links, and Brett’s contact information was listed after the proper links.

I did NOT review this email before it was sent out. The primary reason is that, as Chair, I do not have the time or inclination to review every communication from our staff. I delegate.

I know staff reviewed this, because they asked me for the authority to send this email out. When asked, my response was that I would approve it as long as it was “just the facts”, and did not present a biased position either for or against any candidate in the LP Nevada convention.

I was told by staff that it seemed reasonable and unbiased, so I approved it. Unfortunately, in hindsight, it was a mistake.

Last week, I was informed by Nevada Chair Joseph Silvestri about the email, and his displeasure with it. I offered to send out a new email, apologizing to the LP Nevada membership for my failure.

On Saturday, the original email was resent, without the portion referencing Brett Pojunis, prefaced with the following statement from me:

“Valued LP Nevada members:

I wish to apologize to you personally for a message you received recently from our national office regarding your upcoming state convention. The message below is MOST of what you received, but a portion of it has been removed.

Brett Pojunis, the LNC Regional Representative for Nevada, requested that I approve sending an email to all LP National Members in Nevada to promote your upcoming state convention. In my opinion, it is totally consistent with the purpose of the LP to promote any state convention, and also appropriate for LNC Regional Representatives to make this kind of request.

I did approve sending the previous message, but I did not catch the fact that this message contained links and information on contacting Mr. Pojunis directly in addition to your official websites.

Unfortunately, it really was inappropriate of me to approve the message in its entirety, since Mr. Pojunis is not currently in an any official role within your state party, and is also a declared candidate for Chair of the Libertarian Party of Nevada. While we on the LNC strongly support attendance at every state convention, we have now given the unwarranted impression that we are trying to influence the outcome of your upcoming election. We are not.

It is my strongest desire that your upcoming convention be well attended, that each and every rule of your Bylaws be resolutely followed, and that the entire Nevada membership have confidence in the processes of your convention, even if some do not like the outcome. For my part, I will be happy to work with whoever your delegates choose to lead them.

Geoffrey Neale

Chairman, Libertarian Party”

Additionally, some time ago I received a letter from Mr. Pojunis, signed by more than twenty LP members from Nevada, requesting three things, one of which was for the LNC to assign a neutral observer to the Nevada Convention. I communicated this request to the LNC, and sought counsel. I also asked Mr. Silvestri if he would object to a neutral observer, and he asked to review the matter with his Executive Committee. Several members of the LNC communicated with me that it was completely in order for any LNC member to show up at any affiliate convention as an observer, and that no affiliate should refuse entry of an LNC member. Regardless of whether that opinion is correct or justified, I still sought to get the approval of the LP Nevada Executive Committee before officially asking someone to attend.

In the meantime, Norm Olsen (Region 4 Representative) booked a flight. I subsequently asked Mr. Silvestri to please welcome Norm as a neutral observer as a favor to me, and stated that I had told Norm that he was to watch and listen, but not to intercede. At no time did I assert any kind of authority to require his attendance.

So why exactly do we need or want a neutral observer?

First off, I have been told by more than just a few people that Nevada has the potential to “go Oregon”. If that were to happen, I would like to have someone be able to report to me and the LNC of what happened, without having any skin in the game.

Secondly, there have been numerous accusations flying around in Nevada between and about the principals in the now postponed election. Two of the announced candidates are also LNC members. In the absence of neutral input, there are already two LNC members who I would have to assume are biased, and by all rules of propriety, ought to recuse themselves from any affiliate issues brought to the LNC.

Thirdly, I was Regional Representative of both Arizona parties back in the 90’s, and now we have two parties in Oregon. Regardless of the position that the LNC should stay out of affiliate relationships, we have no choice but to get involved if there is any kind of dispute as to who the real affiliate is. If having a neutral party there can help, then I think it’s worth it.

And last of all, and perhaps most important of all, I am the Chair of the National Libertarian Party, and every one of its members, no matter what state they live in. I feel I have a modicum of responsibility to the general membership, and my way of manifesting that was to consider sending a neutral observer.

For the record, Mr. Silvestri asked if I would be willing to serve in that role, and normally I would, but I am already scheduled to be at the Ohio convention this weekend.

I cannot help but have opinions regarding the principals in this dispute – I’m only human. However, it will be the decision of the members of Nevada as to who leads them, and I will do my utmost to work with whoever those Nevada members choose.

In closing, I offer my humble apologies to one and all for my involvement in this. If there is blame assessed, it can only lie with me.

Geoffrey Neale

Chair

Libertarian Party

130 thoughts on “Libertarian Party of Nevada Postpones its Convention

  1. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    If I recall, there were threee state coventions planned for the last weekend in April: PA, NV and New York. PA and NV has both been postposed. How’s it looking for New York?

  2. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Does anyone have the email that Brett sent out?

    This still seems to me that Joe Silvestri just doesn’t want to lose, but I haven’t seen Brett’s email from the LNCC.

  3. Ben Smith

    If I recall, there were threee state coventions planned for the last weekend in April: PA, NV and New York. PA and NV has both been postposed. How’s it looking for New York?

    Well, the NYC convention on April 9 was a mess, so it’s anyone’s guess what the state convention will be like.

    Ohio and Arkansas are also on the 27th – no mess expected at those.

  4. Ben Smith

    Seems like Nevada and Pennsylvania are vying to be the next Oregon.

    Pennsylvania seems to be fixed

    However, New York is looming as a problem on the horizon, especially if the Stone/Trump/Giuliani horde stage a putsch at the state convention like they did at the city convention.

  5. Wes Wagner

    Oregon is pretty much fixed except that aggravating litigation … but beyond that we have had record numbers of candidates, participation, and fund raising.

    I would not be surprised to learn that national resources were used to try to influence peddle in Nevada, but from experience, I know if it happened it was done without full authorization.

    Factions using the resources of national to try to turn state affiliates into vassalages is still an ongoing concern.

    This is worthy of further investigation to met out the truth. It could be possible that the current administration is using the past sins of the LNC as an excuse to maintain control when the offense was really not all that serious or abusive… however it is also possible that it was.

  6. George Phillies

    For once, I really think that people should abstain from criticizing any of the factions in Nevada until they have a chance to read the emails in question.

    I can easily believe that either side actually did the right thing, but those emails should clarify the matter.

  7. Daniel Wiener

    I just want to quickly correct a particular portion of the above statement. The Libertarian Party of Nevada cannot withdraw from Region 4 at this time, as per Article 8(2)(c) of the national Bylaws:

    “Representative regions” may be formed or dissolved once every two years during a period beginning 90 days before the beginning of and ending on the second day of the National Convention, and notice of new formations or dissolutions must be given in writing to the national Secretary prior to the close of the Convention at which they take place.

    Furthermore, according to our regional formation agreement, the removal of the non-California Region 4 representative would require the signatures of a majority of the state chairs from Arkansas, Nevada, New Mexico, and New York. Absent that, Brett Pojunis remains one of the two Region 4 representatives to the LNC, representing Arkansas, California, Nevada, New Mexico, and New York.

  8. Wes Wagner

    IMO DW @9 has a technically correct interpretation of the national party bylaws.

    Although Nevada can figuratively lick their fingers and stick them in their ears and chant “LALALALALA WE CAN’T HEAR YOU” and completely refuse to participate actively in any regional activities… on an administrative level they are still part of that region no matter what they say or do.

    Believe me… if anyone has spent time looking into what you can do to leave a region, it was us. Dan Karlan when he represented Oregon was actively involved in trying to commit and whitewash an unlawful bylaws switch with the help of the LNC Inc FBO Burke.

    After thoroughly exploring our options, we arrived at “stuck with Dan Karlan until the convention”.

  9. Jason smith

    Rules won’t stop Silvestri, he doesn’t have the votes now, he won’t later…this is just another in a long line of dictators who sees the writing on the wall but doesn’t wanna let go of his little fiefdom. He is pathetic and showing exactly why we are organized to defeat him. If the people disagree with him, he gets rid of them until he has the last 5 people left in the party to support him.

  10. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Thanks for your explanation, Dan. Of course, I wouldn’t expect California to take action on removing Brett.

    Does anyone have a copy of the email that was sent for Mr. Pujonis?

  11. LibertarianGirl

    heres what cant be denied, BRETT DID WHAT JOE SHOULD HAVE. Joe never sent a simple freakin email to all LPNat members, I mean damn thats a basic, so Brett did. Joe didnt because he didnt want any rogues or random people voting against him. Brett did what he did because he wanted as many Libs there as possible.

    All Brett did was give them an opportunity to run away beause they KNOW they werelosing. but what he did was not wrong

  12. Darryl W. Perry

    The LPNH convention is also this weekend, and it doesn’t look like anyone is running for re-election. I will be there and will report on the convention

  13. David Colborne

    I forwarded the emails to IPR’s contact email. What happened was Brett asked the LNC to send a notice to all NV national members about the convention and forwarded an older internal email we sent yo our supporters, which had outdated information (“Early Bird” pricing) and Brett’s contact info (since we were sending it to our supporters). This email was forwarded in its entirety by National.

    At the same time, a petition signed by roughly 30 current and previous LP Nevada members was sent to National requesting an impartial observer to the convention to ensure that credentialing and other convention business was completed without issue. My suspicion is National told Joe they were going to send someone and that was the “final straw”.

    So, to recap, a single email, which was promptly recanted by National, and a guest with a camcorder was all it took for the LP Nevada Executive Committee to cry “undue interference” and postpone the convention to some undisclosed date, time, and location.

  14. Evan McMahon

    Jill Pyeatt @3

    “This still seems to me that Joe Silvestri just doesn’t want to lose, but I haven’t seen Brett’s email from the LNCC.”

    Me: The email in question, which I haven’t seen either, was reportedly sent from the LNC not the LNCC. The LNCC will not ever take a stance on the affairs of a state party nor endorse or support any candidate in officer elections.

  15. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Thanks, for clarifying, Evan. It actually didn’t make sense that it was from the LNCC>

    David, can you forward me the email to my work address? It’s jill@jillpyeatt.com.

  16. Daniel Wiener

    Jill Pyeatt @3

    Just to clarify, our regional agreement separates the removal/selection of representatives between California and the other states. California is solely responsible for removing or selecting one of the regional representatives (me), while the chairs of the other four states would decide on removing or selecting the other regional representative (Brett) without California having a vote. However, both Brett and I serve as LNC regional representatives for all five states.

  17. Rod Stern

    My understanding from emails I have been forwarded is that the only problem with the email from national was that it included Brett Pojunis’ contact info as part of his signature, since he forwarded it to the national office and they did not strip it out when they forwarded it to national LP members who live in Nevada.

    The rest of the email was just plain facts about the time and place that the convention was to be held, pricing and eligibility requirements for delegates. That is my understanding from what I have been told.

    A neighboring region rep had booked a ticket to observe the convention in a neutral observer role.

  18. Rod Stern

    If my info is correct – it seems like more than a little bit of a stretch to say that leaving the signature in the email by mistake constituted an endorsement by LNC/LPHQ of Pojunis for Chair, or justified indefinitely postponing the convention. Especially with the clarifying email by Geoff Neale that went out later.

  19. Alan Pyeatt

    I agree; we need to see the original emails to know what to make of this. Hopefully, they will be published soon.

  20. Michael H. Wilson

    re Wes @ 10. It has always struck as odd that the states have a hard time getting out of the agreement regarding regions but the regional rep can do basically what they damn well choose and the states have no recourse until all of them agree or some such nonsense.

  21. Rod Stern

    VIA LPNevada on facebook:

    Brett H. Pojunis:

    In light of the convention being postponed I am working on a game plan and will be communicate with the group later today.

    My suggestion is to have everyone email Joe Silvestri and Kurt Brackob if you Saree not happy with what they are doing.

    I would NOT request a refund on membership dues sat this time and I will explain later.

    Please know this is a priority and I am working on all aspects.

    Debra Dedmon, Rodger Paxton, Brett H. Pojunis and 5 others like this.

    Avens O’Brien:

    Brett, this is the email I sent to them:

    To the Members of the Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Nevada:

    My name is Avens O’Brien. I’m a member of the Libertarian Party, both the National organization and the State of Nevada. I moved to Nevada in 2012. I am the former 1st District Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire from 2006-2008.

    I will confirm that I know Brett Pojunis socially, as well as a number of other Libertarians in this state. I have heard a variety of things about the State Party and was looking forward to getting involved — both in meeting the current Board and participating in the convention for the purpose of either re-electing or voting on a new board. I want to see this party do great things, and am looking to get involved to ensure that it does. Liberty is very important to me, and politics is local, so state parties are extremely important to me.

    I was looking forward to meeting the various people vying for positions of Leadership in this state party, and also looking forward to choosing the ones I saw most interested in leading our party forward as a relevant voice of the Liberty Movement. I am very curious as to the direction each of the potential candidates for Chair would lead this party in and was looking forward to hearing it from each of them before making my decision.

    So I was disheartened to receive notification just days before the Convention that it has been postponed. I will consult the by-laws to learn what terms will dictate the rescheduling of the convention, but I am very confused as to why the convention is being postponed in the first place. Has a by-law been broken? I never received any email about Brett Pojunis from an LP.org address, and I doubt very much that the contents of such an email could greatly influence my vote. I question the appropriateness of this action. I know how drama can be within this organization, I’ve run a state party myself, but this MUST be resolved quickly and efficiently, with members free to choose their leadership as soon as is possible. I cannot consider an Executive Committee to be legitimate without an electoral process which places them in their positions.

    This party needs to be able to take action – educating the public about liberty and participating in the political process to affect the outcome of elections in favor of liberty causes and candidates, which is cannot do if it does not have leadership chosen by those who seek to participate in this process. We have paid convention dues and membership dues. Please do not hinder this process any longer than is sane or necessary. I am extremely displeased with an Executive Committee which retains power without check, it is a troubling concept that is the antithesis of liberty in both theory and action.

    What do the members of this party need to do to ensure our voices are returned to our own party, that our votes will determine our leadership and our direction? My faith in this state party is being lost in a very short amount of time. I do not wish to observe corruption where there is confusion, but you’re making it very difficult to tell the difference, and that is where you will lose the people’s trust. Without the trust of your membership, you have no power, no influence, and no ability. Your actions here may render yourselves irrelevant completely, and that, I suspect, is the opposite of what you’d like.

    Thank you,
    Avens O’Brien
    Former 1st District Vice Chair
    Libertarian Party of New Hampshire

    Ken Swanson: Thanks for the quick response Brett.

    Judd Weiss: This reminds me more of Pakistan. a corrupt abandonment of trust and resources and bylaws, unforgivable for a position of Chairman. To cancel a whole convention, days before, when no bylaw has been broken, because you simply don’t like how an opponent campaigned, that is petty, damning, and unforgivable.

    Is there any way to overturn the decision and make sure the convention goes forward on track?

  22. Rev fatsax

    Ahhhh, now i get it…joe found out that the lnc was sending an impartial observer and that would hinder joe and the excom plan to not credential people because kurt hadnt forwarded dues to national. This is all because brett and 29 concerned nevada libertarians wouldnt let joe cheat, so he is taking his marbles and going home! Give it a rest, joe…your time is up. Take three months in new york this summer to think about how your name and root and barr will all be in the same sentence of biggest libertarian mistakes.

  23. Mark Axinn

    Jill asked:
    >If I recall, there were threee state coventions planned for the last weekend in April: PA, NV and New York. PA and NV has both been postposed. How’s it looking for New York?

    It’s looking terrific for New York. The LPNY is stronger than ever and I expect Saturday to be a fun time for all involved.

    I look forward to seeing as many as possible there.

  24. Rod Stern

    More from facebook:

    Alice Lillie Postponed to when?

    Jason Smith Sounds like they didn’t have the votes to keep their little fiefdom going

    Debra Dedmon until joe silvestri doesnt have to worry about getting beat. alice weve both known and loved him a long time , and you stay out of the drama , i love that about you but he has gone off the deepend with his purging and control. people were fed up and he was gonna lose and he knows it. he had to do this of course hell blame brett for sending an email inviting all LP members in NV to attend , AN EMAIL THE LPNEVADA SHOULD HAVE SENT THEM SELVES….proof one man wants to grow and one doesnt want the competition

    Jason Smith I want my dues and convention fees back if there is no convention…how do we know what they are doing with all that money?

    Debra Dedmon we dont

    Jason Smith If they say they forfeited a deposit to sun coast and don’t return my money, I am suing the whole excom. I will bring everything to court…this is fraud, larseny, embezzlement and breach of fiduciary duty. We need a ruling from national on this.

    Alice Lillie The Founders said “friendly trade with all and entangling alliances with none” and the country has done the opposite and look at what it has done…wars all over the place, terrorism, people dead and obviously our loss of freedom. The Founders were right and I believe in applying that to my own life too.

    Debra Dedmon i know you do thats why your you, thats why i love you…….blessed be old friend

    David Lee Williams are you sure this isn’t some kind of fake email or bluff to get you to not show up at the convention?

    David Lee Williams wtf is going on with the LP? how can this be happening? this is the worst mess I’ve seen anywhere in the country as far as the LP is concerned.

    Angy Mckinster Was told i could get my convention money returned in 48 hours but not my dues

    Debra Dedmon litigation is looking inevitable

    Alice Lillie Thanks Deb! That’s a happy sendoff to the great white north! Back in October. See you then!

    Debra Dedmon Be safe …

    Debra Dedmon what if its just postponed a day or even a cpl hrs

    Elmer Whittaker It is time for the LNC to take action and disaffilate the current LPN to make room for a free and unoppressed Libertarian State Party run by the people, its members.

    David Colborne To be honest, David, there’s no guarantee at all. They very well could postpone the convention by five minutes if they were so inclined. Considering how public their “postponement” notice has been, though, it shouldn’t be hard to nail them against the wall if they try something that bold.

  25. Mark Axinn

    Ben Smith @ 4 and 5.

    I don’t recall seeing you at the NYC City Convention about which you are free to comment without any first-hand knowledge.

    Thank you for your concern about my state affiliate which is currently in better shape than at any time in the last 41 years.

  26. Rod Stern

    More from FB:

    Debra Dedmon dude you beat me by like 2 seconds , but i told ipr first so there.

    David Colborne No you didn’t. I forwarded it to them before I told Facebook.

    Debra Dedmon damn you colborne!!!!

    Debra Dedmon if you cant win changing the rules and controlling the players then you take the ball and go home…….id just like to say WHAT A BUNCH OF COWARDS!!!!!!ROFL , say whatever you want to but that excuse is bullshit! heres a fucking inquiry… HOW COME LPN DIDNT SEND ITS OWN EMAIL OUT TO ALL LP MEMBERS IN NV???????

    Jason Smith Where are my dues and convention fees?

    Debra Dedmon what about booked rooms and such , no lie i am so broke this week I may take a payday loan . i want my fucking money back

    David Colborne So they were selective about who they sent it to, hmm?

    Debra Dedmon ??

    David Colborne You asked why they didn’t send it out to all of the members. Do you know someone that didn’t get it?

    David Colborne Oh, never mind – I get what you were asking. Sorry – getting all conspiracy-theoryish over here.

    David Colborne Emailed Kurt about refunds. Here was his answer:

    *****

    Convention fees will be refunded within the next 48 hours. You can address your concerns about the inconvenience to Mr Pojunis whose actions are the sole cause for the postponement

    Jason Smith I want my dues too

    Jason Smith I agree, mr Pojunis is the cause, he has more votes than mr Silvestri, and that is why we are talking about this.

    David Colborne I don’t. I want them to tell me when they reschedule it.

    Jason Smith Good luck David, they will prolly hold it in joes kitchen

    Debra Dedmon so kurt answered you

    David Colborne Jason Smith: Then Joe can cook me dinner.

    Debra Dedmon: Yes he did.

    Jason Smith I sure hope this doesn’t ruin mr silvestris summer vacation for three month in New York…what a disappointment and inconvenience that would be.

    David Colborne That does give us a timeline for when the convention will be rescheduled to, now that you bring it up. Unless they’re postponing it to Sunday or something equally ridiculous, it’ll have to wait until after August.

    Angy Mckinster How come i never got this email .. I have my money on a convention held 12/31

    Jason Smith Angy, if so…I will help put on the greatest after convention party for anyone who makes it.

    Jason Smith Story is up on ipr

    David Lee Williams this is a sad way to run a party. why isn’t national doing something about this?

    Shawn Glines i dont get it… why? we should all be on the same side.

    Jason Smith One side wants to keep all libertarians in nevada on a short leash because a narcissistic megalomaniac cant deal with anyone with different views. I dont wanna be on that side.

  27. Rod Stern

    From Geoff Neale:

    To all LNC members and State Chairs:

    Today the Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Nevada postponed their convention. The text of their announcement in its entirety is included at the bottom of this email.

    This will be my humble attempt to shed as much light as possible on this regrettable occurrence, and clarify my involvement.

    Brett Pojunis, currently the LNC Region 4 Representative for the states of Nevada, Arkansas, New York and New Mexico. Region 4 also includes California, but under their regional structure, Brett is only a tertiary representative for California.

    Brett has also declared and is actively seeking the position of Chair of LP Nevada.

    Recently, Brett asked me if he could request an email notification be sent to the national members within Nevada regarding their convention. His stated intent was to make sure everyone in Nevada knew about the upcoming convention. I approved this in principle, as long as the intent and message was a facts based “public service” type of announcement, intended to promote overall involvement. LPHQ does make such notifications, and I feel it is completely consistent of LPHQ to enter into such activities at the request of either the affiliate or their Regional Representative.

    The email that Brett crafted and forwarded to staff was predominantly a “public service” type announcement, except that it was “signed” by Brett, and included links and references to himself. For the record, there were clear and proper links to all the appropriate LP Nevada sites and links, and Brett’s contact information was listed after the proper links.

    I did NOT review this email before it was sent out. The primary reason is that, as Chair, I do not have the time or inclination to review every communication from our staff. I delegate.

    I know staff reviewed this, because they asked me for the authority to send this email out. When asked, my response was that I would approve it as long as it was “just the facts”, and did not present a biased position either for or against any candidate in the LP Nevada convention.

    I was told by staff that it seemed reasonable and unbiased, so I approved it. Unfortunately, in hindsight, it was a mistake.

    Last week, I was informed by Nevada Chair Joseph Silvestri about the email, and his displeasure with it. I offered to send out a new email, apologizing to the LP Nevada membership for my failure.

    On Saturday, the original email was resent, without the portion referencing Brett Pojunis, prefaced with the following statement from me:

    “Valued LP Nevada members:

    I wish to apologize to you personally for a message you received recently from our national office regarding your upcoming state convention. The message below is MOST of what you received, but a portion of it has been removed.

    Brett Pojunis, the LNC Regional Representative for Nevada, requested that I approve sending an email to all LP National Members in Nevada to promote your upcoming state convention. In my opinion, it is totally consistent with the purpose of the LP to promote any state convention, and also appropriate for LNC Regional Representatives to make this kind of request.

    I did approve sending the previous message, but I did not catch the fact that this message contained links and information on contacting Mr. Pojunis directly in addition to your official websites.

    Unfortunately, it really was inappropriate of me to approve the message in its entirety, since Mr. Pojunis is not currently in an any official role within your state party, and is also a declared candidate for Chair of the Libertarian Party of Nevada. While we on the LNC strongly support attendance at every state convention, we have now given the unwarranted impression that we are trying to influence the outcome of your upcoming election. We are not.

    It is my strongest desire that your upcoming convention be well attended, that each and every rule of your Bylaws be resolutely followed, and that the entire Nevada membership have confidence in the processes of your convention, even if some do not like the outcome. For my part, I will be happy to work with whoever your delegates choose to lead them.

    Geoffrey Neale

    Chairman, Libertarian Party”

    Additionally, some time ago I received a letter from Mr. Pojunis, signed by more than twenty LP members from Nevada, requesting three things, one of which was for the LNC to assign a neutral observer to the Nevada Convention. I communicated this request to the LNC, and sought counsel. I also asked Mr. Silvestri if he would object to a neutral observer, and he asked to review the matter with his Executive Committee. Several members of the LNC communicated with me that it was completely in order for any LNC member to show up at any affiliate convention as an observer, and that no affiliate should refuse entry of an LNC member. Regardless of whether that opinion is correct or justified, I still sought to get the approval of the LP Nevada Executive Committee before officially asking someone to attend.

    In the meantime, Norm Olsen (Region 4 Representative) booked a flight. I subsequently asked Mr. Silvestri to please welcome Norm as a neutral observer as a favor to me, and stated that I had told Norm that he was to watch and listen, but not to intercede. At no time did I assert any kind of authority to require his attendance.

    So why exactly do we need or want a neutral observer?

    First off, I have been told by more than just a few people that Nevada has the potential to “go Oregon”. If that were to happen, I would like to have someone be able to report to me and the LNC of what happened, without having any skin in the game.

    Secondly, there have been numerous accusations flying around in Nevada between and about the principals in the now postponed election. Two of the announced candidates are also LNC members. In the absence of neutral input, there are already two LNC members who I would have to assume are biased, and by all rules of propriety, ought to recuse themselves from any affiliate issues brought to the LNC.

    Thirdly, I was Regional Representative of both Arizona parties back in the 90’s, and now we have two parties in Oregon. Regardless of the position that the LNC should stay out of affiliate relationships, we have no choice but to get involved if there is any kind of dispute as to who the real affiliate is. If having a neutral party there can help, then I think it’s worth it.

    And last of all, and perhaps most important of all, I am the Chair of the National Libertarian Party, and every one of its members, no matter what state they live in. I feel I have a modicum of responsibility to the general membership, and my way of manifesting that was to consider sending a neutral observer.

    For the record, Mr. Silvestri asked if I would be willing to serve in that role, and normally I would, but I am already scheduled to be at the Ohio convention this weekend.

    I cannot help but have opinions regarding the principals in this dispute – I’m only human. However, it will be the decision of the members of Nevada as to who leads them, and I will do my utmost to work with whoever those Nevada members choose.

    In closing, I offer my humble apologies to one and all for my involvement in this. If there is blame assessed, it can only lie with me.

    Geoffrey Neale

    Chair

    Libertarian Party

  28. Alan Pyeatt

    Since I live in California and not Nevada, this only affects me insofar as there is alleged to be improper action by the Region 4 rep (Brett Pujonis) and the LNC.

    OTOH, I am very curious to find out how an allegation of improper campaigning is remedied by postponing the convention. It would also be worthwhile to know how rank-and-file LPNV members were notified about their own convention by the state LP.

  29. Rod Stern

    Judd Weiss on FB:

    I just posted this softly worded comment on the LPNV page announcing the postponement of the convention.
    ———————————————-

    I’m on the Executive Committee of the California Libertarian Party. As an interested observer, this action reminds me more of Pakistan, a corrupt abandonment of trust and resources and bylaws, unforgivable for a position of Chairman and for elected Executive Committee members. To cancel a whole convention, days before, when no bylaw has been broken, because you simply don’t like how an opponent campaigned, that is petty, damning, and unforgivable. AND THEN to try to paint Brett Pojunis as the unethical actor here……..

    Postponing elections to protect your position is corrupt and not tolerable anywhere within the Libertarian Party.

    This decision should be reversed immediately, and the convention should continue forward on track. Otherwise every member of the Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Nevada who voted to postpone the convention elections should resign immediately, effective now, as they are egregiously unfit to manage party resources, or hold official party positions.

    Judd Weiss

  30. Rod Stern

    Jason Smith on FB:

    Jason Smith My gut tells me that joe found out we sent a request to national to have an objective observer make sure joe doesnt cheat…and since nobody had their national dues fwd to national, joe may have been colluding with kurt to exclude us from getting credentials…so joe cant win, cant cheat…so he canceled the convention to regroup.

  31. Rod Stern

    I noticed the article above has been updated …but I’m not totally clear what the update means.

  32. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I’m simply unable to post the initial email, which is a graphic. This computer won’t let me do it. If anyone can get it to post here in comments, please do. I don’t know if the problem is the settings at work, or the fact that I have it as an email. If someone can send me a URL of the email, that might help: jill@jillpyeatt.com.

  33. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Having seen the email, I must say that this is definitely a stretch on Silvestri’s part. The retraction from Neale should have allayed any fears about unfair campaigning.

    It certainly looks to me that the writing was on the wall that he wasn’t going to win, so he cancelled the convention. If this were my state, I think I’d be going bonkers right now.

  34. David Colborne

    Bonkers is a… polite way of putting it.

    After talking to someone from the “other side”, the issue, as it was described by me, was that National seemed to be dragging their feet b
    about getting the retraction up, and they took that as a sign that National was going to somehow interfere in the convention. Of course, the fact that Norm scheduled a flight probably didn’t help matters any.

  35. Rev fatsax

    If joe had thirty votes or so on his side, he would continue the convention during a hurricane or nuclear explosion…guaranteed. This is just a case of nana booboo, stick your head in doodoo.

  36. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    So, what if someone contacts the hotel, tells them cancelling the convention was a mistake, and carry on the convention without Joe?

  37. Chuck Moulton

    I posted the image at the end of the article. Click on the image to view it full size.

    It’s more than just a signature with contact links. The email also includes a picture of Brett and directions to contact him for more information. That was definitely inappropriate.

    But postponing the convention doesn’t seem to be a reasonable remedy in my opinion.

  38. Rod Stern

    More from FB:

    Elmer Whittaker:
    Fil Di Noto just called me saying that the LPN is calling everyone to let us know that the convention has been postponed.

    I told him that he is a fucking dirtbag.

    David Colborne: I haven’t received a phone call…

    Sandi Darby: Personally, right now, I would vote NOTA to chair right now. I have a father with dementia and I made arrangements to go this weekend and I am out almost 200.00. I am upset with Brett because he posted on line a picture of my dinner friends as coming to the meeting in Pahrump and in fact they are and will always remain Ron Paul republicans and I respect them for that. There were only about 5 that showed up for the Libertarian meeting and he did not take a picture of that group. You know what, this is nothing but a childish fight and I am sick of it.

    Angy Mckinster: no phone call to me.. still no email either

    David Colborne: Fil’s working on it. Just got off the phone with him.

    Sandi Darby: What is he working on, getting the convention back on? Mike took a day off to go and he is already calling to say he is going to work.

    David Colborne: No, making phone calls. I’m annoyed as hell about the convention being postponed – that’s $130 worth of motel reservations I’m never getting back. Plus I scheduled a day off on Friday as well that I’m (probably) going to cancel.

    Beth Duensing: He can run but he cannot hide. Postponing will not change the outcome. There will be a convention this year and there will be new officers elected.

    Sandi Darby: Well, there are three of us who won’t be at the convention, no matter when it is now.

    Jason Smith: Sandi, thats what joe is banking on.

    Elmer Whittaker: Silvestri cancels the convention, but you are upset with Brett H. Pojunis for posting a pic online that you find inappropriate, Sandi Darby?

    I presume however, that you not being at the convention foes officially end your enabling of the Silvestri ExCom and that you will not be running for a position in the Silvestri regime after all?

    Jason Smith: If silvestri had thirty votes, a hurricane and nuclear explosion would not stop this convention.

    Beth Duensing: He’ll need more than 30 this year

  39. Chuck Moulton

    I pasted together a bunch of screenshots, scrolling down each time. I see now my Photoshopping wasn’t completely seamless, but you get the general idea.

  40. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Thanks, Chuck. I had tried printing them up, taping them together and putting it through my scanner. Then, the IPR thing told me it was too big a file to post–and that’s when I gave up. I spent a long time trying to post it. I’m glad you did.

  41. David Colborne

    Considering the level of communication historically seen from the state party, asking prospective attendees to contact their LNC Rep wasn’t beyond the pale. I do agree that it could have been handled differently, though.

    Which it was. That’s why there was a retraction.

    Other tidbits to be aware of… convention fees spiked 24 hours sooner than they should have, which caused five people to be unable to register. As I understand it, they contacted State and National to resolve.

  42. Rod Stern

    FB:

    Sandi Darby: I am upset with Silvestri for cancelling the convention for many reasons. I told Silvestri a while ago I did not want to run for the secretary position. I have a father with Alzheimer’s dementia and he cannot be left alone. I also have over 70 farm animals that must be taken care of. I made arrangements for my sister to come from Washington state at this time to stay with my father so that Mike and I could go to the convention.

    Beth Duensing: If there is a quorum there could it be held anyway? Seems like so many have to incur the costs anyway so maybe you’ll decide to get together regardless. With registration money refunds you could buy your own lunch .. and dinner… and gas for your travels.

    Sandi Darby: I do not believe in voting for slates, but rather individuals. I was not happy that Brett posted a picture of my dinner companions on the website because it gave the wrong impression of who showed up to the meeting for the Libertarian get together in Pahrump. He may have talked with them for a while, but it was not the group who came to discuss the “slate” with him. Also, there was a letter sent to national out with my signature on it and to be fair, he apologized and said he sent a retraction letter.

    Elmer Whittaker: Then why are you complaining about Brett H. Pojunis here in this thread?

    It had nothing to do with the subject at hand. Not a fucking thing.

    Sandi Darby: If individuals cannot work together no matter which slate they come from what good is having a party? If Brett can’t work with Fil and David with whoever, then what do we have? Dysfunction.

  43. wes wagner

    I take personal offense to Mr. Neale stating that the LNC Inc has two parties in Oregon.

    The first offense is refering to us like we are vassalages.

    The second offense is that he still perpetuates the LNC Inc lie that there are two parties.

    There will be zero affiliates of the LNC Inc if these typed of insults to the actual libertarians of Oregon continue.

  44. George Phillies

    @48 Also, the LNC Judicial Committee has made an unambiguous ruling on the matter. We have one and only one Party affiliate in Oregon.

    On particular, you might propose that LNC officers are required to support the party bylaws, which requires that we have no more than one affiliate per state.

  45. Rod Stern

    Thanks to Chuck, Jill and whoever else may have helped with the updates that place this communication from LPNV in context.

  46. Thomas L. Knapp

    Question: Do the LP Nevada’s bylaws provide for cancellation of the convention at such a late date?

    If not, LP members should show up and hold their business meeting whether Mr. Silvestri & Friends elect to attend or not.

  47. Rod Stern

    FB:

    Sandi Darby I never said who I was voting for anyhow, only that I cannot go to a postponed convention which is Joe Silvestri’s fault and the present Excomm’s fault. I honestly just want to see Libertarian principles grow. I have emailed Silvestri my thoughts on the subject and my husband has called, who is extremely angry about the situation. If Silvestri thinks this is the way to get votes, it is not. Anyone who was on the fence, I am sure they are no longer. This would also work against him because there is time to register more Libertarians and once the situation was explained, they would not vote for him. It was not a smart thing for him to do. Instead of looking at the dark side of what happened, look at the silver lining — it is an opportunity for Brett’s slate. Yes, I am frustrated with what Brett did, but what Silvestri did to me was deny me the chance to vote because of my personal situation and if you or anybody else thinks that doesn’t bother me in any way, you are wrong.

    Jason Smith Regardless of how sandi would vote, this convention will not be as good as possible without her. Sandi is a well respected member of our party, community and we would all do well to keep in mind that she has already done more for our state and party than most of us. Im sorry you cant be there sandi, i hope we make you proud.

  48. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    People will lose a lot of money if the posponement goes through. Silvestri can try to blame Pojunis all he wants, but is Silvestri prepared to be taken to small Claims Court and possibly be required to reimburse people?

  49. Rod Stern

    Not seeing any bylaws authority for postponing the convention:

    http://lpnevada.org/articles.html/_/lpn/bylaws

    IV. CONVENTION

    Section 1.

    A. The LPN shall hold a Convention in Clark County, Nevada in even numbered years for the purpose of choosing Candidates for Public Office and whatever business shall be deemed necessary and proper, including, but not limited to, amending these bylaws, choosing delegates to the National Convention, and filling vacancies in the Executive Committee. If the beginning date for a minor political party to file its list of candidates with the Secretary of State is prior to February 1 of the election year, then the Convention may be held up to 60 days before the first date to file even if that moves the Convention to the previous year.

    B. National Convention Delegates must be sustaining members of the National Libertarian Party. Vacancies in the list of delegates to the National Convention can be filled by the Executive Committee before the National Convention, or by a vote of the delegates at the National Convention.

    Section 2.

    The LPN shall hold a Convention in Clark County, Nevada in odd numbered years for the purpose of electing Executive Committee Officers, amending these bylaws, and whatever business may be deemed necessary and proper.
    All LPN members who have registered with the Convention, are qualified to be Convention delegates.

    Section 3.

    The Executive Committee shall publish the time, date, and location for the Annual State Convention as soon as possible, but no later than 60 days before the date of the State Convention. This publication will be sufficient if it is prominently placed on the LPN’s official website. However, if at all possible, the Executive Committee is encouraged to send, via USPS mail, notice to all members at least 30 days before the date of the State Convention.

    Section 4.

    A. A Quorum of any Convention shall be a majority of the registered delegates to the Convention.

    B. The business session of each State Convention shall be recorded by video device and a copy of the recording shall be provided to the Chair and the Secretary of the LPN, along with the approved minutes from the state convention no later than 30 days after the conclusion of the State Convention. In the event the proceedings of a State Convention should be challenged by a Member, the recording of the convention and the State Convention’s approved minutes shall be provided to the Secretary and the Chair as soon as practicable.

    Section 5.

    Candidates for Partisan Public Office

    A. The LPN may nominate Candidates for Public Office by ballot of the Convention during an even numbered year.

    B. Candidates for President and Vice President shall be nominated by the National Convention of the Libertarian Party. Candidates for United States Senator, all statewide offices, and any other local or county offices shall be nominated at the Convention of the Libertarian Party of Nevada. Candidates nominated for Partisan Offices shall be members of the LPN in good standing.

    C. The Secretary of the LPN (or the Secretary’s representative, if allowable) shall file a list of the nominated candidates with the Secretary of State of Nevada, in accordance with Revised Nevada Statutes.

  50. Rod Stern

    This email may have precipitated the whole exchange:

    Geoffrey Neale, Chairman
    Libertarian National Committee
    2600 Virginia Avenue, N.W., Suite 200
    Washington, DC 20037

    Dear Mr. Neale;

    We write you to inform you of an issue happening in the Libertarian Party of Nevada (hereafter referred to as LPNevada). We are very concerned that legitimate Libertarian state party members are being purged and are not being allowed to participate in our upcoming 2013 state convention. How can people
    trust us to hold office if we cannot trust our own party leadership?

    The current Executive Committee of LPNevada, under the leadership of Chairman Joe Silvestri, quietly announced the 2013 state convention on February 25, 2013. We, the undersigned, have noted several
    irregularities and concerns regarding membership and enrollment into the convention, namely:

    1. This year, a door fee of $65 was assessed, with “Early Bird” pricing expiring on March 20th, after which the door fee increased to $95. This is on top of the $50 membership fee already assessed to the LPNevada membership. In the past, no convention fee was required in order to participate in the business portion of the LPNevada state convention.

    2. According to the LPNevada website (LINK) “Early Bird” pricing was not to expire until March 21. However, several individuals that registered after 9pm on March 20th were charged at the post-”Early Bird” price.

    a. When notified of this discrepancy, the Treasurer, Kurt Brackob, who was personally
    appointed by the Chair, Joe Silvestri, has refunded the difference on a case-by-case basis. This suggests a discriminatory pattern of behavior and preferential treatment of members.

    b. Some members did not sign up due to the increased fees. Requests to accept the $65
    convention in lieu of the increased fees went without a response.

    3. Treasurer Kurt Brackob has stated in correspondence that his authority to refund dues was provided directly by the Chair and not by the Executive Committee, nor the LPNevada bylaws.

    a. Many convention fees and membership fees were refunded by the Treasurer Kurt Brackob
    for various arbitrary and inconsistent reasons the night the fees increased. Members were
    then forced to re-register at a higher cost! Some individual’s payments were refunded
    because, “convention fees must be self-paid,” despite no indication of such in the bylaws, nor
    in known interpretations of FEC regulations. Some individuals were permitted to pay for
    another individual’s membership dues and/or convention fees without rejection. This
    suggests a discriminatory pattern of behavior and giving preferential treatment of members.

    4. We have requested who is on the convention credential committee and who was appointed as its Chair. The identities of those designated to serve on the convention Credentials Committee have not been identified.

    5. The LPNevada Executive Committee has not posted its meeting minutes in over a year, in direct contravention of LPNevada bylaw Article V, Section 3, Paragraph B.

    Page 1 of 4

    We are concerned about certain exclusionary processes that are not explicitly authorized or required by our bylaws. There is a pattern of the current Executive Committee not following our bylaws and making things up as they see fit. These actions purge longtime libertarians and new excited libertarian party activists. This behavior hurts the growth of our party and undermines confidence in the reasonableness and fairness of Libertarians.

    Due to the reasons enumerated above, along with countless others, we, the undersigned, hereby petition the Libertarian National Committee to;

    1. provide neutral observers to attend the LPNevada convention, to ensure that we have a fair, open and legal convention with all LPNevada members able to participate;

    2. Notify the National members of the Libertarian Party who live in Nevada of the upcoming 2013 State Convention via email with instructions on how to become a delegate and a voting member, and;

    3. assist in securing accurate and up-to-date accounting/audit of the convention fees to include, but not limited to; which members have signed up and when, timetables when convention fees and membership dues were paid, review/audit of all transactions to identify how many additional people were allowed to cover fees for their friends/family and to ensure the Executive Committee has followed their own rules.

    The 2013 Convention shall be held at the Suncoast Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, on Saturday, April 27, with credentialing starting at 8:00am Pacific, to ensure the integrity of the credentialing process, the convention itself, and all related activities.

    With sincerest thanks and in liberty,

    Concerned Members of the Libertarian Party of Nevada, including, but not limited to;

    Brett H. Pojunis, Region 4 Representative on the Libertarian National Committee and Candidate for Chairman of LPNevada

    Tim Hagan, Treasurer of the Libertarian National Committee and Candidate for Treasurer of LPNevada

    Jason Smith, Candidate for Vice Chairman of LPNevada

    David Colborne, Candidate for At-Large Representative of LPNevada, Former Chair of De-affiliated Capital Affiliate

    Louis Pombo, Candidate for Secretary of LPNevada

    Page 2 of 4

    Vicki Hargrove, Former member of De-affiliated Capital Affiliate

    Dave Thomas, Former member of De-affiliated Capital Affiliate

    S. Rowan Wilson, MBA Longtime member and Libertarian Activist, LP candidate of Reno city council of De-affiliated Washoe County, NV

    Isabel Isherwood, former member of de-affiliated Nye County affiliate

    Erin Lale, candidate, Henderson City Council, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Nathan Santucci, Former Chair of De-affiliated Clark County

    Mark Warden, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Debra Dedmon, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Alexandria Williamson, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Danielle Osborne, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Lauren Osborne, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Carlo Piraino, former member of de-affiliated Capital affiliate

    Eugene Sullivan, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Sean Grissom, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Cassandra Grissom, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Jolie LaChance, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Brendan Trainor, former LPNevada Chair, former member of de-affiliated Washoe County affiliate

    Sean Gruber, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Angy McKinster, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    Nik York, former Chair of de-affiliated Capital affiliate

    Anne York, former member of de-affiliated Capital affiliate

    Page 3 of 4

    Avan Peran, former member of de-affiliated Clark County affiliate

    (All signatures are available upon request)

    Many other concerned Members of the Libertarian Party of Nevada would sign this
    letter, however, they were worried they would be purged or excluded from participating at
    the 2013 State Convention.

    Page 4 of 4

  51. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Thanks for posting the letter, Rod, and to whoever posted the third update in the article. I have a feeling there will be quite a few updates to this story.

    Has anyone talked to Silvestri today? He doesn’t seem to be on Facebook, which is how I usually contact people. Does anyone have an email address for him, so that I can write to him for comment?

  52. Rod Stern

    There’s a listing of state chairs and their contact info in the files section of the LNCDiscussPublic yahoo group.

  53. Judd Weiss

    This behavior cannot be tolerated.

    For completeness, here is my exchange with Fil Di Noto on the LPNV page announcing the postponement of the convention:
    ———————————————-

    Judd Weiss:
    I’m on the Executive Committee of the California Libertarian Party. As an interested observer, this action reminds me more of Pakistan, a corrupt abandonment of trust and resources and bylaws, unforgivable for a position of Chairman and for elected Executive Committee members. To cancel a whole convention, days before, when no bylaw has been broken, because you simply don’t like how an opponent campaigned, that is petty, damning, and unforgivable. AND THEN to try to paint Brett Pojunis as the unethical actor here……..

    Postponing elections to protect your position is corrupt and not tolerable anywhere within the Libertarian Party.

    This decision should be reversed immediately, and the convention should continue forward on track. Otherwise every member of the Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Nevada who voted to postpone the convention elections should resign immediately, effective now, as they are egregiously unfit to manage party resources, or hold official party positions.

    Judd Weiss

    —–

    Fil Di Noto:
    Judd I must disagree. When the convention is rescheduled should the LPNevada use its own resources to promote candidates?

    —–

    Judd Weiss:
    Fil, cancelling the entire convention just a few days before it’s scheduled, after everyone paid their dues and convention fees and made their travel arrangements, inconveniencing party members and supporters to such a dramatic extent, and so callously because you were afraid of the outcome of the vote……….
    Libertarian Party resources are so limited and scarce, you can’t just waste people’s time, energy, emotions, and money like this. It’s not ok.

    You could have made your case at the convention. But this blatantly corrupt behavior is so wrong and so egregious. You have A LOT of apologizing to do, my friend. I hope you get started on that immediately.

  54. Judd Weiss

    And here is a well written response from Avens O’Brien, former Vice Chair
    Libertarian Party of New Hampshire, now living in Nevada:
    ———————–

    Avens OBrien:
    A rehash of my email to the Executive Committee:

    My name is Avens O’Brien. I’m a member of the Libertarian Party, both the National organization and the State of Nevada. I moved to Nevada in 2012. I am the former 1st District Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire from 2006-2008.

    I will confirm that I know Brett Pojunis socially, as well as a number of other Libertarians in this state. I have heard a variety of things about the State Party and was looking forward to getting involved — both in meeting the current Board and participating in the convention for the purpose of either re-electing or voting on a new board. I want to see this party do great things, and am looking to get involved to ensure that it does. Liberty is very important to me, and politics is local, so state parties are extremely important to me.

    I was looking forward to meeting the various people vying for positions of Leadership in this state party, and also looking forward to choosing the ones I saw most interested in leading our party forward as a relevant voice of the Liberty Movement. I am very curious as to the direction each of the potential candidates for Chair would lead this party in and was looking forward to hearing it from each of them before making my decision.

    So I was disheartened to receive notification just days before the Convention that it has been postponed. I will consult the by-laws to learn what terms will dictate the rescheduling of the convention, but I am very confused as to why the convention is being postponed in the first place. Has a by-law been broken? I never received any email about Brett Pojunis from an LP.org address, and I doubt very much that the contents of such an email could greatly influence my vote. I question the appropriateness of this action. I know how drama can be within this organization, I’ve run a state party myself, but this MUST be resolved quickly and efficiently, with members free to choose their leadership as soon as is possible. I cannot consider an Executive Committee to be legitimate without an electoral process which places them in their positions.

    This party needs to be able to take action – educating the public about liberty and participating in the political process to affect the outcome of elections in favor of liberty causes and candidates, which is cannot do if it does not have leadership chosen by those who seek to participate in this process. We have paid convention dues and membership dues. Please do not hinder this process any longer than is sane or necessary. I am extremely displeased with an Executive Committee which retains power without check, it is a troubling concept that is the antithesis of liberty in both theory and action.

    What do the members of this party need to do to ensure our voices are returned to our own party, that our votes will determine our leadership and our direction? My faith in this state party is being lost in a very short amount of time. I do not wish to observe corruption where there is confusion, but you’re making it very difficult to tell the difference, and that is where you will lose the people’s trust. Without the trust of your membership, you have no power, no influence, and no ability. Your actions here may render yourselves irrelevant completely, and that, I suspect, is the opposite of what you’d like.

    Thank you,
    Avens O’Brien
    Former 1st District Vice Chair
    Libertarian Party of New Hampshire

  55. Wes Wagner

    JP @59

    Their regime is toast. All this cancelling of the convention and games they are playing will not win in the end.

    What you are seeing is the body of a serpent flailing around wildly after its head has been cut off. It is a spectacle to behold, but just like PA it will fizzle out and die in the end.

    You never win a political war unless you are in alignment with that which is good and right (Sun Tzu’s concept of “the moral law” aka “alignment with Heaven”)

    The good libertarians of Nevada have already won… we just have to go through the motions now because power monger and tyrants never concede when they are beaten… they will turn everything to ash just so they could rule over it.

  56. LibertarianGirl

    Sandi Darby is a no bullshit , no drama , lets knock it off and get to work type of gal.I wish I was sometime. She said she wuld vote nota and if that is her conscience then I respect that

  57. Jill Pyeatt

    We’ve discussed this at length, Steve. We have a whole thread to take your complaints to. Please don’t hijack every thread. We’ve already established that you don’t like the way I do things.

  58. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I’ve emailed him, and invited him to come here and comment. I haven’t heard back.

  59. Chuck Moulton

    Rod Stern wrote (@55):

    2. According to the LPNevada website (LINK) “Early Bird” pricing was not to expire until March 21. However, several individuals that registered after 9pm on March 20th were charged at the post-”Early Bird” price.

    There are a lot of other irregularities mentioned in the comment, but I’d chalk the 9 pm price increase up to automatic scheduling with the payment processor being on eastern time (9 pm in Nevada would be 12 am on the east coast).

  60. Rod Stern

    Fair enough; but it seems to be a moot point now, except insofar as it helps establish a pattern of behavior by the current LPN Exec Comm.

  61. LibertarianGirl

    well the official LPN line goes to Silvestris cell phone. he never or rarely answered/answers and often used to play what e thought were funny crazy rants or questions from folks checking us out. I do have his cell # too but thats redundant as its the same line….god forbid we have a answering service or soeone else speaking with seekers, could fuck up his micro-management

  62. Rod Stern

    Chuck,

    The question has been asked on facebook what Roberts has to say about the legality of cancelling the convention and/or others going ahead with the meeting as originally planned, regardless of ExecComm’s action in cancelling the meeting.

    What’s your interpretation?

  63. Nicholas Sarwark

    I don’t see anything in the bylaws that prohibits postponing or cancelling the convention, but it can’t be winning the current board many friends or supporters to cancel an event with less than a week’s notice.

  64. S Rowan Wilson, MBA

    HUMOR INJECTION =
    What a contrast to my new state of Washington’s state LP convention this past Saturday in Bellingham! Here’s my ‘Top Ten’ list:

    1) We had more time than necessary actually completing party business before noon;

    2) people worked together for the betterment of the organization;

    3) Mike Pickens did quite the work TRIPLE-ing the number of Convention attendees from the prior year;

    4) There was actually more alcohol than pot though it was 4/20 and it was well represented as well from booths to smells ;-0

    5) A list of accomplishments from the past year was read, agreed’ and applauded w/ more goals for next year;

    6) NEW, first-time members who left other parties or were never before politically active were in attendance;

    7) Friends made, alliances found, contact information exchanged from old, new and all kinds of folks around the state particularly the active RON PAUL faction;

    8) The state treasurer is not a convicted child sex offender who may or may not be harboring party monies;

    9) Open, transparent meeting w/ a dynamic list of speakers in the afternoon that didn’t put anyone to sleep NOR were there any conspiracy nuts;

    10) No state chair threw popcorn at me or others requiring a sergeant at arms to talk to said perp (Joe Silvestri circa 2011 CA convention in Tahoe 😉

    My wish is for the LNC to grow the flip up and finally deal w/ the party BS in Nevada; Disaffiliate then Reaffiliate Nevada. Get Silvestri out of there. It has been over ten (10) years now of his tyranny. I witnessed 7 years of it. Enough of the drama. People will be pissed off either way but I’d venture to guess move and all the continuing legal fees if this shit continues. Really, how much more failure with drama is necessary evidence?

    Next….

    SRW

  65. Chuck Moulton

    Nicholas Sarwark wrote (@77):

    I don’t see anything in the bylaws that prohibits postponing or cancelling the convention, but it can’t be winning the current board many friends or supporters to cancel an event with less than a week’s notice.

    I agree with Nick. Just because some things are stupid ideas doesn’t mean they are prohibited by the bylaws or by Robert’s Rules. I don’t see any rule preventing the board from rescheduling the convention.

    This may seem contradictory to what I said about Oregon a while back, when I said the state committee didn’t have the power to cancel the convention. The difference there was Oregon’s convention was adjourned to another day (May 21). Effectively the state committee purported to cancel the convention in the middle of the convention — at a time when only the convention delegates could take such an action.

    In Nevada the convention has not started yet and it is up to the board for what date the convention should be scheduled. Its main constraint is the 60 notice requirement.

    Of course, parliamentary rules and government laws are 2 different things. I’m not going to speculate on how lawsuits for costs incurred by delegates in detrimental reliance of the convention notice would pan out.

    Btw, Pennsylvania recently rescheduled its state convention because its notice was deemed insufficient by the state judicial committee. Though I’ve heard a few gripes about costs incurred, people in general seem to favor the new date and location.

    I hope Nevada is able to pull itself together and move forward united like Pennsylvania has.

    Also Virginia just had a special convention that had contentious moments. We came out of it energized with a great governor candidate.

  66. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    The Pennsylvania convention was moved well before the initial event, when hotel reservations and travel plans were easier to change. Also, Dr. Stevens did the LPPA the courtesy of resigning when he started reading the writing on the wall that he wasn’t likely to be re-elected. I consider that an admirable move from him. It doesn’t sound like Silvestri has any interest in the health of the LPNV, or he wouldn’t have postponed the convention with such little notice. It really does look to me like he’s just trying to buy some time until he thinks he can get more votes.

    Which makes him look like a total jerk, in my view.

  67. LibertarianGirl

    goddamnit Chuck , why do you always have to make so much sense??! I was sooo hoping youd say we could hold one of our own or that it was against the rules to reschedule ….Tim would prob say the same exact thing as you……….boo, boo! 🙂

  68. Judd Weiss

    The conversation between Fil and I continues on the LPNV announcement page, where I also linked to this page for the full story:
    http://lpnevada.org/articles.html/_/lpn/lpnevada-2013-convention-postponed-r58
    ————————————

    Fil Di Noto:
    Most people aren’t that upset about it. And when the convention is rescheduled it will be promoted fairly. I called most of the people registered to attend the convention today myself.

    Just last year I had a job that required me to travel 100% of the time and I used to cancel airline tickets and hotel rooms reservations every week. Nobody should be losing any money. Besides most people live in Vegas anyway.

    I don’t see any of that as justification for tolerating interference from National. Address it at the convention? No way. It’s hard enough to hold a convention in which rational people don’t get fed up with all the nonsense and walk out the door. Putting nonsense on the agenda to begin with is a bad idea.

    If it were public office it wouldn’t get handled at the voting booth. Serious actions would be taken before the elections. I’m not going to have anything to do with a party that tolerates that sort of behavior. If you do that sort of thing in your state, that’s your business I suppose.

    Judd Weiss:
    It’s pretty obvious to almost everyone, that the reason you cancelled the convention was because you guys were afraid the vote wouldn’t be favorable. That is an egregious abuse of power, completely antithetical to Libertarianism. Your rationalizations are nakedly obvious, and absurd. No bylaws were violated. There’s no legitimate grounds for this. The National Party didn’t even make any pretense at endorsing anyone, in any way.

    The full detailed story is here:
    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/libertarian-party-of-nevada-postpones-its-convention/

    The fact that you are still trying to justify this behavior, and haven’t begun profusely apologizing to everyone while getting the convention back on track means that you have no business in the running of a party of liberty. It’s embarrassing to all Libertarians that there are drama queens running state parties that will willfully create a mess like this in order to protect their leadership positions. Credibility is so crucial to the Libertarian initiative right now. While we do need all hands on deck, those who distract the cause with petty fighting and horrendous messes must be removed from deck. I expect the Libertarians of Nevada to do just that, as soon as you afford them the right to vote.

  69. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I don’t believe Fil’s statement at all that “Most people aren’t that upset about it”. He can say whatever he wants, but that doesn’t mean we have to believe it. Comments here and on Facebook indicate that people are very, very angry about it.

  70. Judd Weiss

    Oh, and this will probably be my last inclusion in this conversation with Fil on the announcement page:
    http://lpnevada.org/articles.html/_/lpn/lpnevada-2013-convention-postponed-r58

    Fil initially replied with a nasty remark, that was removed before I copied it. He’s deleted it, and replaced his comment with this:
    ——————

    Fil Di Noto:
    Judd everyone in Nevada knows the whole story because we received the emails. We don’t need someone from another state telling us what’s happening in ours.

    Judd Weiss:
    “Promoted fairly”? Well, while we’re at it, let’s redistribute all convention dues to the needy libertarians. And give affirmative action positions to women and blacks! In the spirit of fairness, please postpone the next convention until all of that is ensured.

  71. George Phillies

    Let me urge Nevada Libertarians who were hoping to get forward motion to consider forming a parallel organization to run Liberty candidates while waiting for forward motion on LP Nevada. Start doing things, and you will make centers of immobility irrelevant.

  72. Judd Weiss

    One more update on the conversation at the LPNV announcement page:

    ———————————-

    Debra Dedmon:
    How come LPN didnt send out an email to all LPNat members. Your promoting of this convention has been dismal at best. Is it just oversite? Not enuf time or unwilling?? because w/o knowing Im left to assume that it is because promoting might lead to rogue voters or , egads , newpeople that show and make their decisions that day? Hell during my tenure we sent out SNAILMAILS to every registered Lib in the state( not cheap but we had the money back then)
    as well as email announcements and the website was the LEAST important…..so whats up with that??

    —–

    Fil Di Noto:
    Well guys this all could have been avoided if Brett would have used his own resources to send that email.

    Brett has all these web enterprises that he talks about and all these “lists” why didn’t he just send the emails out himself? why did he have to use Nationals email servers?

    Could it be that Brett is full of shit? That he can’t do any of the things he says he can do? It took me less than an hour to set up a mass mailing server and send the postponement email out to over 1000 people. I didn’t need to use National to do it.

    Or did Brett understand that there was an advantage to sending the email out using LP servers?

    One or the other guys. Which one is it?

    —–

    Fil Di Noto:
    Or is it both?

    —–

    Debra Dedmon:
    Debra Dedmon, on 22 Apr 2013 – 8:02 PM, said:
    How come LPN didnt send out an email to all LPNat members. Your promoting of this convention has been dismal at best. Is it just oversite? Not enuf time or unwilling?? because w/o knowing Im left to assume that it is because promoting might lead to rogue voters or , egads , newpeople that show and make their decisions that day? Hell during my tenure we sent out SNAILMAILS to every registered Lib in the state( not cheap but we had the money back then)
    as well as email announcements and the website was the LEAST important…..so whats up with that??

    —–

    Fil Di Noto:
    Why am i being so harsh on Brett?

    Elmer Whittaker
    “Fil Di Noto just called me saying that the LPN is calling everyone to let us know that the convention has been postponed.

    I told him that he is a fucking dirtbag.”

    That’s why.

    I’ve been involved in the party for only a few months. I’m not even a member of the ExComm. I just maintain the website and do WORK for the LPN and all you shitbags do nothing but attack me on Facebook.

    Cordiality is out the window at this point.

    —–

    Fil Di Noto:
    Debra Dedmon, on 22 Apr 2013 – 8:02 PM, said:
    “How come LPN didnt send out an email to all LPNat members. Your promoting of this convention has been dismal at best. Is it just oversite? Not enuf time or unwilling?? because w/o knowing Im left to assume that it is because promoting might lead to rogue voters or , egads , newpeople that show and make their decisions that day? Hell during my tenure we sent out SNAILMAILS to every registered Lib in the state( not cheap but we had the money back then)
    as well as email announcements and the website was the LEAST important…..so whats up with that??”

    At the time when the convention was announced I had just started working on the LPNevada website. Sorry nobody pays me to do this stuff i do it in my own time.

    If you want to know why the LPNevada didn’t have this infrastructure in place already why don’t you ask the person who managed this stuff before? Who was that? oh right, Brett!

    —–

    Judd Weiss:
    Actions have consequences. You’re getting slammed because you’re involved with and supporting some extremely unethical behavior. Please don’t act surprised when people are furious about this.

    The state party doesn’t exist to keep electing your friends. It exists to promote libertarian values and candidates. The convention is supposed to provide a time for voting, fundraising, and connecting. That was just yanked unceremoniously. No voting. No fundraising for the party (convention fees have already been refunded apparently). No rallying together for a common cause.

    And you guys want to act surprised about people’s angry reactions?

    And you guys want to put all the blame on Brett?

    And you guys want to not take any responsibility for this at all?

    Brett hasn’t done anything unethical here. The email that was the alleged reason for postponing the whole convention didn’t endorse him. Even if a National LP email was later sent out that did explicitly endorse him, even that wouldn’t have been against the rules, or grounds for cancelling a whole convention. This is insane and corrupt.

    We’re all unpaid here. If you recall it was Brett who supplied with the LPNV with a nice new website at no cost. The guy is working hard to promote the party, people are recognizing that, and THAT is precisely the threat and reason for postponing the convention. This. Is. Wrong.

    Whether you’re paid or not, you are acting together with a group of people that have just caused serious harm, while behaving blatantly unethical. Paid or not, you guys are a source of embarrassment and distraction.

  73. Rod Stern

    IPR doesn’t ban “anyone it doesn’t want to hear from,” it has set up a separate space for discussion of a small number of select subjects that a small number of select people want to keep harping on to take numerous other conversations off track.

    The analogy with Nevada would be if people wanted to interrupt the lunch speaker and everything else with their concerns about Silvestri and co. After being told to confine that to the appropriate time during the business session, and refusing to do so, it would be appropriate to have security remove them.

    Your analogy also fails because IPR is Warren Redlich’s private property. LPNV is not Joe Silvestri’s private property, even if he sometimes likes to treat it as if it is.

    Another added benefit of IPR is that it doesn’t charge hundreds of dollars in entry fees, refuse (allegedly on a selective basis) to allow them to be paid by someone else or with an out of state credit card, require a current voter registration with a given political party in a given political state 30 days prior to entry, and a current state ID from a given state. I’m not even sure what all the internet equivalent would be, but IPR doesn’t require comment registration, CAPTCHA, or moderator pre-approval of all comments before they appear (even for new people). Those are all options that other sites have on their comment sections.

    If IPR wanted to be more like Silvestri, people would have to pay a steep fee to apply to post comments, along with supplying a copy of their voter registration card and drivers license. They would then have to go through a multi-step security questionnaire to prove their identity before being allowed to post a comment, and maybe have to scan their fingerprints or a voiceprint; and then their comment would be held for moderator approval.

    As it stands right now,

    * You don’t have to register to comment

    * Comments aren’t held for approval, even for new people

    * You pay nothing

    * You can use a real or fake name and a real or fake email address; no verification and no requirement to fill out a long questionnaire of personal information

    *No CAPTCHA

    *Comments are very rarely ever removed, and only two commenters have ever been banned (I think they should be brought back…but that’s besides the point)

    * Many discussions go off track – it’s only a given person continuously harping on the SAME subject that draws ire and time out corners

    * Personal insults, racist comments and so on are allowed until they become extremely egregious

    While I think IPR should be even less restrictive than it is now, it’s a long, long way from the way Silvestri runs things…..and the thing Silvestri is running, a state political party, is different in kind from IPR, which is a privately owned website.

    You also don’t have to ask for permission to read IPR; LPNV, on the other hand, seems to have an issue with outside observers.

  74. David Colborne

    @91: He tried that – that’s what the disaffiliation a while back was all about. Since nobody paid dues to the LPNV (all dues were paid to local affiliates) with the exception of Brigade members (they paid $17.76/month to the LPNV and were automatically treated as members of whatever local affiliate they belonged to) and those that didn’t live in areas that had local affiliates, the mass disaffiliation disenfranchised 80%+ of the membership.

    Unfortunately for them, some of us saw it coming and paid our state dues just before the Ex Comm meeting that called for the disaffiliation, so their attempted purge was never complete.

  75. Thomas L. Knapp

    RS @ 93,

    “Comments are very rarely ever removed, and only two commenters have ever been banned”

    As of today, three. That I know of.

    And please. You don’t have to work so hard to defuse my snark. I’m sure it will be four soon enough.

  76. Alan Pyeatt

    GP @ 88: “Let me urge Nevada Libertarians who were hoping to get forward motion to consider forming a parallel organization to run Liberty candidates while waiting for forward motion on LP Nevada. Start doing things, and you will make centers of immobility irrelevant.”

    I agree 100%. It’s amazing how, even in our party, the organizational structures can get enmeshed and paralyzed by bureaucratic inertia.

    Fortunately, most of us are independent thinkers and self-starters, who are not afraid to D.I.Y. In fact, it appears that this is exactly what Brett Pojunis did when he saw that the LPNV wasn’t going to inform many of its members about their own convention (other than posting on the state website).

    There have been many times when I’ve suggested that people bypass the party structure entirely and use their own initiative, instead. The caveat here, of course, is that when people do this they need to make it clear that they are speaking for themselves, and not the LP.

  77. Rod Stern

    @94 Milnes, Ogle and who else? If you leave voluntarily that is not being banned.

    @93 Has anyone legally challenged the theory that county parties exist at the pleasure of the state party, rather than the other way around?

  78. Brian Holtz

    TK: work so hard to defuse my snark

    I welcome Rod to the Knapp Snark Disposal Squad. Like training a puppy, the work is messy and tedious, but with diligence it has potential for long-term payoffs.

    🙂

  79. Rod Stern

    “Let me urge Nevada Libertarians who were hoping to get forward motion to consider forming a parallel organization to run Liberty candidates while waiting for forward motion on LP Nevada. Start doing things, and you will make centers of immobility irrelevant.”

    That would mean a five-figure signature drive. Might want to see what happens at the convention first, assuming it is ever actually held.

  80. George Phillies

    …five figure signature drive… to do which things? Perhaps an extended post from you on NV ballot access processes for different classes of candidate would be of interest.

  81. Rod Stern

    FB:

    Elmer Whittaker: I have stated repeatedly, that I have joined LPN without any animosity or allegiance to anyone, but liberty and justice.

    It took me however only a very short time to figure out that the current ExCom and its active supporters as well as the calculating fence sitters are not on liberty’s side.

    Being for liberty and justice almost necessitates being again corruption and bullshit, and so I have no quarrels calling out bullshit, no matter where it comes from.

    I am blunt and outspoken and realize that truth and honesty does not make many friends. Luckily, I am not running for internal or public office and have no plans of doing so.

    Brett H. Pojunis: Sandi Darby I just got into the office, as you can imagine I have been pretty slammed today trying to grasp everything. A few things… 1. The Picture, please explain to me what is wrong with it? I put this as the first comment “I had a great time tonight meeting with fellow friends of Liberty in Pahrump! Thank you for everyone who showed up!”

    I didn’t say anything about them supporting us nor did I brand the image as “Libertarian” So please let me know so I can correct it. This picture included everyone from both groups.

    As far as working with individuals, I have tried. I reached out to Joe many times trying to work together (as Jason Smith, Lou Pombo and David Colborne as they were bcc’d). I will work with anyone who wants to further Liberty and build the party. They are not empty words, there is a place for everyone here.

    Sandi Darby: I will apologize to Brett. Although the picture was not a picture of the Libertarian get together it was a picture of Liberty-minded people, albeit GOP. If I have harmed Brett in anyway I apologize. Elmer if I have gone astray from what your post was meant to be, I apologize. The convention being postponed has hurt me too tremendously. I too believe in liberty and work hard from my computer writing to state senators, assemblymen, as well as federal elected officials to promote liberty. So, if I have offended any of you, I do apologize.

    David Colborne: We’re all stressed and upset about this, and you have personal stress that’s a million times more pressing and important on top of it. Don’t sweat it – we understand completely.

    Jill Pyeatt: Clearly, Mr. Silvestri has no concern for the disruption his actions have caused. I sure hope you guys are able to vote him out of office, although it would be nice if you could do it this weekend.

    Jim Duensing: I don’t see any authorization in the bylaws for postponing a properly noticed convention. I say, at the noticed time and place, we hold the convention pursuant to the bylaws – in the parking lot if necessary. The bylaws DO NOT grant the ExComm the power to yell DO OVER DO OVER when they count the votes a week before a properly noticed convention.

    Sean Gruber: Out sider looking in= Joe figured out he wasn’t going to be able to cheat because national got called, and decided to run away to fight his messed up game another day…

    Debra Dedmon: second

    Jason Smith: Third

    Debra Dedmon: would we still get lunch??

    Debra Dedmon: just so ya know i got my god damned state-gov-LPN required identification ,with serious risk and was soo looking forward to shwinging it out ……

    Avens O’Brien: I received an email from Fil De Noto presumably in response to my email to the ExComm.

    He said:
    “Since you are now a member of the party I look forward to seeing you at some of our events. I also am new to the LPNevada and I can assure you there is nothing sinister going on with the current ExComm. I have met both sides and formed my own opinions. I do not have any prior relationships with anyone in the LP.”

    My response:
    “Fil, thank you.

    I appreciate your perspective that there is “nothing sinister going on with the current ExComm”. Meeting both sides and forming one’s own opinions is always good. We should all have that option. You’ll notice Libertarians don’t often just take other people’s words for things – it’s one of the reasons we’re better educated than members of other political parties, and also why we get less done as a group.

    I am not necessarily of the mind that there is some sort of conspiracy afoot (from either side of this mess) nor have I rushed to judge the current ExComm. But as a member of the party, I, and every other member, deserves to have the right to meet the ExComm candidates (and current members) and vote our conscience. This action by the ExComm is not allowing us that, which I find to be problematic.

    I thank you for the forward and the information. Now please, hurry up and get this convention back up and running as soon as possible. I meant what I said about these actions reflecting badly on the legitimacy of the current ExComm. I’m not conspiracy-theorizing, I’m just stating a fact, as someone who has been a member of a state’s party leadership before.

    Avens”

    David Colborne: As entertaining as throwing our own sans-ExComm convention in the lobby might be, I’ll point out that the results of the convention will only last as long as the Secretary of State says they do, which would be whatever delta there is between us filing an Amended Certificate of Existence and Joe or Jared contesting it. Since they’re the current authorized officers per our last Certificate of Existence, the SoS would probably default to whatever they filed.

    Angy Mckinster: I feel left out still no email and still no call ..

    Beth Duensing: Maybe only some of the members are being told the convention is postponed and you are still on the invite list. Were e-mails sent to everyone last year to let them know that the convention would be held a few hours earlier than scheduled?

    Debra Dedmon: and it worked just as theyd planned. what if we do just what wes w did , sometime this summer

    David Colborne: Beth Duensing: That’s a possibility we are actively planning and preparing for. Given the amount of attention generated from their postponement notice, including an acknowledgement and response from the LNC Chair, it would be… stupidly… “bold” to attempt something quite that underhanded, but I’ve learned to never underestimate the idiocy of Joe when he’s angry.

    Debra Dedmon: right??! were all pissed but who among us is surprised?? NOBODY

    Avens O’Brien: As a new member here who is former leadership in another state party, I’m surprised and appalled by the reasoning and methods of this ExComm in dealing with a minor upset.

    Perhaps those of you who’ve been long involved may not be surprised but it’s certainly not boding well for the impression given to people new to the state party – something anyone seeking leadership positions should make themselves acutely aware of.

    Jared Thomas Lord: I assure you, I stuffed the envelopes myself, everyone who was registered for the convention are getting notified. The phone calls and e-mails went just to those who gave a phone number and e-mail when they registered, so if you did not receive one, we don’t have it. Everyone will get a letter in the mail stating pretty much exactly what has already been posted.

    Debra Dedmon: stuffed envelopes?? how come noone stuffed envelopes to sendout a snailmail promotong the convention?? Ive stayed up all fucking night stuffing envelopes for that because somebody couldnt nail down the bulk mail license….it was expensive but we had the money then. also we sent out email announcements to everyone and notifying via website was the least important….so why didnt LPN notify all LPNat members long ago? would have circumvented this mess yes??

    Debra Dedmon: so went an commented in the LPNevada announcement page where Fil is conversing with a cpl folks http://lpnevada.org/articles.html/_/lpn/lpnevada-2013-convention-postponed-r58 and then i saw to the left margin a notice that I had 0 warning points….ROFLMAO….warning points?? really?? its like LPN is a junior high school teacher or something: of course I had to actively resist making sure I got a cpl just because …..

    Avens O’Brien: Im on my phone so I can’t use the website to comment at the moment but this whole exchange on the official site above bothers me. I am not calling anyone names, I am not from another state (I was, but I am a member of LPNev now) and though I like and
    respect Brett as a person I’m not necessarily automatically in his corner on this. I dislike the assumption by party leadership that those opposed to their behavior are simply slinging mud and waiting to overthrow them. I want a little parliamentary process to secure legitimacy and accountability of our organization.

    I want some accountability. Everybody. Give us the damn convention.

    Angy Mckinster: All of my information was provided at time of payment .. same phone number I have had for the past 11 years same email address as well . I sure did get a refund email but thats the extent of it

    Debra Dedmon: I did not get a refund notice…..

    Sandi Darby: I got a refund notice, but I am sick and tired of all their stupid games this ExCom plays. No wonder no Libertarian is ever elected here in Nevada. Fil said on there that no one was upset, excuse me? He obviously didn’t talk to my household. Or the people from up North. Oh, saying, most people are from Vegas, I flipping wonder why?

    Brett H. Pojunis: All i have been doing today is fielding calls from people who are upset. They didn’t take into consideration the amount of people who organized travel, lodging, time off from work etc. Very disrespectful.

    David Colborne: He talked to me, but I’m a pretty calm and cool character. Plus, I was at work, so a certain level of decorum was necessary.

  82. David Colborne

    @96: “Minor Parties” have few restrictions or requirements at the state level – they are free to organize themselves however they wish, using whatever mechanisms they desire. Consequently, at least in Nevada, as long as the LP is a “Minor Party”, county affiliates exist at the convenience of the state party.

    “Major Parties”, on the other hand, are a different story.

    @98 and @99: It depends on the election cycle. Any political party can file at any time with the SoS; all you need are a set of bylaws and officers. To get your candidates on the ballot for the first time, though, there is a petition drive you have to engage in, during which your candidates must receive at least enough signatures as 1% of the total votes cast for all US House elections in the last election cycle (this would be just shy of 10,000 signatures, based on 2012’s results). Of course, if you’re smart, you establish yourself as a party after an “off year election” and use the off year results – 2014’s totals should be nowhere near as high as 2012’s, so you’d need fewer signatures in 2016.

  83. George Phillies

    @100 I had in mind something concrete. Signatures mean very different things in different states.

    Examples: Collect X thousand signatures. The political party may now place people on the ballot by decree.

    Collect X thousand signatures. Candidates may now run using “Libertarian” as their Party name.

    Collect X thousand signatures. Voters may register as Libertarian. Alternatively, they could always register, but now their number will be counted.

    Ditto. Be a recognized party. Have access to the statewide voter registration list. Get funding from voters via checkoffs on the income tax forms.

    I could go on, but you are clearly sharp enough to follow my point.

    For example

    Massachusetts: Run as a Revolutionary Vegetarian…need the signatures for each candidate, which are the same for everyone. E.g. to run for U S Senate, you need 10,000 signatures on your nominating papers, the same as Teddy Kennedy.

    Become a political designation (the state counts your registered voters) 50 signatures. Status is good forever.

    Political Party status: 1% of the registered voters, or 3% of the vote for a statewide office in the last biennial election.

  84. David Colborne

    @104: Since I actually live in Nevada, here are some concrete answers:

    Become a Minor Political Party: No signatures required, allows your party to show up on voter registration forms. Does not entitle you to “ballot access”, though, which is the ability to submit candidates to the Secretary of State and have them show up on the ballot without signatures.

    Achieve ballot access as a party: First, get at least one candidate on the ballot in Nevada under you party label by gathering X signatures, with X being equal to whatever 1% of the votes cast for all US House elections in Nevada was in the last election cycle. Based on 2012 numbers, this would be just shy of 10,000 signatures per candidate.

    Next, one of the candidates that passed the petition process must receive as an individual a total number of votes equal or greater than 1% of the votes cast in all House elections in Nevada in that election cycle. Because of Nevada’s demographics, it’s actually possible to run for something like Clark County Recorder (Clark County, containing Las Vegas, Henderson, and North Las Vegas, has over 70% of Nevada’s population) and achieve the necessary vote total. I know this because we’ve done that in the past.

    Note that ballot access is basically the Holy Grail in Nevada – once you have it, the amount of effort necessary to file partisan candidates becomes as trivial as writing a letter and putting a stamp on it.

  85. Rod Stern

    “Achieve ballot access as a party: First, get at least one candidate on the ballot in Nevada under you party label by gathering X signatures, with X being equal to whatever 1% of the votes cast for all US House elections in Nevada was in the last election cycle. Based on 2012 numbers, this would be just shy of 10,000 signatures per candidate.”

    That’s what I meant. It’s five figures if you count reasonable padding for validity margin.

  86. George Phillies

    Yes, in your state that’s extremely worthwhile.

    In my state “major party status” is of negative value for putting people on the ballot.

    Thank you both for the clarification.

  87. David Colborne

    We are a Minor Party with ballot access, and have been for several years now (at least a decade, probably longer).

    Major Party status in Nevada, however, does have several negative logistical issues attached, which can bite you in the rear if you’re not careful. You have to hold mandatory precinct conventions, then county conventions, then state conventions, and the conduct of said conventions are carefully circumscribed by state law. You’re also bound by Nevada’s Open Meeting laws, which make even the most tightly run Libertarian Party meeting look like an exercise in anarchy (for starters, you’re not allowed to decide on new business when it’s introduced in the meeting – you have to wait at least a month to allow for comment). Thankfully, it takes serious effort to get Major Party status – for starters, at least 10% of all voters in Nevada have to select your party on their voter registration forms. We’re not even at 1%; the only third party in Nevada to reach 1%+ is the Independent American Party (a branch of Constitutionalists).

  88. Rod Stern

    ” Thankfully, it takes serious effort to get Major Party status – for starters, at least 10% of all voters in Nevada have to select your party on their voter registration forms.”

    For some reason I thought it was 5%. I may have mixed up states.

  89. David Colborne

    Nope, we’re 10%. I know the Constitutionalist affiliate in Colorado ran into some issues recently when they became a “Major Party” – you really have to do your homework and grow carefully to keep the lights on.

  90. LP Observer

    while this is going on, Governor Johnson comments on Google hangout which LP affiliate is the “best organized”.

  91. Rod Stern

    Indiana, Kansas and Colorado are in pretty good shape. Montana had some pretty good results last fall, but I don’t know much more than that about their operation.

  92. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I’d love to see Pennsylvania have a strong convention, and move forward in a big way!

  93. Chuck Moulton

    Virginia is running a record number of candidates (House of Delegates and Governor) and we have the most popular Facebook page of any state affiliate.

  94. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Well, CA also seems to be doing relatively well–I don’t want to dis my own state!

  95. Rod Stern

    Yep, should have mentioned Virginia. I’m sure there are others I’m not remembering.

  96. Rod Stern

    CA …doing well? WA had a better attended convention, with far fewer people in the state. CA also has communication issues, and has been clobbered by Prop 14. They are way, way down from their peak in money and members, more so even than the LP overall, and I’m not sure if they have a newsletter anymore. The office no longer has full time staff, even though they have more dues paying LP members (and more people in general) than any other state.

    On the other hand, they had a nice bump in registered Libertarians after electronic voter registration was made available.

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