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Carolyn Marbry Declares for Libertarian National Committee Vice Chair


Ontario, California – Libertarian activist Carolyn Marbry today announced that she is a candidate for Libertarian National Committee Vice Chair.

“This is such an exciting time to be a Libertarian,” Ms. Marbry said. “The coming decades will bring tremendous opportunities to the party as Americans grow more and more disillusioned with bank bailouts, the flagrant destruction of the right to marry for an entire group of Americans, attacks on our second amendment rights and never-ending wars, among other things. To reach out to these people and help our activists make real changes in policy, the party needs a new generation of leadership, one that welcomes and supports all Libertarians.

“We still have a lot of the same problems we’ve always had as a third party. Lack of ballot access, media “black out,” absurd representation of our ideas, mission creep… It’s time for new solutions to our old problems. Those new solutions start with leaving behind the old paradigm and focusing on new technologies and new ideas to build membership, activism and fund raising.
“We need to build strong coalitions with like-minded groups outside the party, and we need to develop and support Libertarian think tanks.

“We need to maintain open, transparent records so members can see what their leadership is doing and where their money goes, and we need to make sure our money goes toward real politics, not bureaucracy.

“We need to take a hard, business-like look at where we can reduce our fixed expenses so we can mobilize more of our money for activism and party growth.

“We need to focus less on what separates us and more on our common goals. A rising tide raises all ships, and the LNC leadership needs to be that rising tide.

“Above all, we as the LNC leadership need to remember: We’re there to take obstacles out of the way of our activists and candidates, not to put up more obstacles. We need to support our activists, who are the lifeblood of our party, and to support the candidates who give us visibility and help grow our party.

“I’ve been overwhelmed by the response of my fellow Libertarians to my campaign. It’s been wonderful to have early support from Lonnie Holcomb, Thomas Knapp, Less Antman, Angela Keaton, Mike and Lidia Seebeck, Jake Porter, Charles Wilhoit and David F. Nolan, among others. I am pleased that my early support comes from such an eclectic group of Libertarians.”

Here’s what some of her supporters have to say:

Angela Keaton: “Small business woman, civil libertarian, homeschooling mother and patriot; Carolyn Marbry brings a fresh face and real world experience to political arm of the liberty movement.”

Jake Porter: “In the summer of 2007, I started working directly with Carolyn Marbry to assist one of the contenders for the Libertarian Party’s Presidential nomination. Within the first few weeks of working with Carolyn, I discovered that not only did she have the management skills necessary to be successful in politics, but that she also possessed the leadership skills necessary to make sure we were getting the right things done. Carolyn Marbry is intelligent, hard working, motivated, and courageous enough to speak her mind even when faced with strong opposition. The Libertarian National Committee could really benefit by having Carolyn serve as a member.

“I urge all Libertarian Party delegates to join me in supporting Carolyn Marbry for LNC Vice-Chair.”

Less Antman: “The very type of respectful persuaders I want to see in leadership positions in the LP are people like Carolyn Marbry. ”

Carolyn is an established Libertarian activist. In 2007-2008, she served as media director for the Phillies 2008 Presidential nominating campaign, rapidly ramping up to regular distribution of Phillies 2008 press releases to over 15,000 media targets. She served as platform lead on the Libertarian Party of California’s Style Committee as well as serving on the state party’s by-laws committee and an ad-hoc committee to investigate the viability of the state’s printed newsletter. She also served as treasurer for her local county party.

Carolyn’s first career was as a cellist. By the time she was 21, she was CEO of her own custom software company, creating applications for signature recognition for banks, pressure and flow calculations based on pipe fittings for a mechanical engineering firm, dyslexia diagnosis and therapy software for audiologists and custom accounting packages for unusual businesses. She was recruited to Artisoft where she was an engineering supervisor, opting after a few years to retire from that career to homeschool her son. During those homeschooling years, she was not idle, however, launching a career in theatre as a playwright, actor and stage director in Tucson, AZ. She starting her own Shakespeare Theatre Troupe for homeschooled teenagers. In 2003, she produced and edited an internationally distributed independent film with English director Rob Walker.

Carolyn lives in Rancho Cucamonga with her partner, Mike McMahon, and her son, Jericho Arcuri, who is attending college studying criminal justice.

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  1. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes December 2, 2009

    Stack the LNC with radicals. Maybe something can be accomplished. George.

  2. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck December 2, 2009

    Yeah, Don, at the corner of Smith and Wesson.

  3. The Last Conservative The Last Conservative December 2, 2009

    Just another liberal commie, but good luck anyway.

  4. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes December 2, 2009

    Don Lake @4, what kind of a question is that?

  5. Mike: what does S&W have to do with the address of Libertarian activists who do not show up on the internet radar ????????

    LC: Liberal Commie ?????? Rock solid Libertarian activists ?????????? Oh come on, you are good for nothing but comic relieve ………..

  6. It’s just that it it December [Holiday cards] and these high profile, current Libertarian party activists are unabled to be traced other than the local Denny’s. These folks and all Libs need to be reminded of their on going neglect of veterans (smaller government and corrupt programs) and lack of ethics between theory and the real world.

    Thank you Bob for allowing me to expound on the Loyal Opposition’s lack of connection with former military. Now a question for you. You might have noticed that I do not reply/ respond to many of your posting[s] — or paulie or LC. What business does my query of the address[s] have to do with with you ????????

  7. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    I don’t make my home address public in the interest of protecting my family. But I am from southern California.

    As far as being a “liberal commie,” no, I’m afraid not. Despite being female and living in southern California, at least for the last couple of years, somehow, I managed to go to business school and even run my own company. Just about any study of economics tends to drive out the last drop of “liberal commie” in anyone’s system.

    Don, if you’re asking my position on abused veterans, let me say this. It’s not my place as vice chair to dictate platform, only to help the party itself create its platform. These questions are really better directed to the sitting platform committee if you want them addressed in St. Louis.

    That said, here’s what I think: This is one place where I admittedly may deviate just a bit from strict Libertarian dogma. My feeling is that if someone is grievously harmed in service to this country, regardless of the political reasons for the war in which he is deployed since those decisions happens at a pay grade WAY above the soldiers and the soldiers don’t get to pick and choose their deployments, the country owes it to him to take care of him at least to the extent of paying for his treatment and cure, if possible, or providing for him if he is disabled. Providing for him, by the way, should be in the form of educating him for a new career if possible. Only in the most extreme cases should it be a simple paycheck.

    Hopefully that’s reasonably clear. Trying to type in this tiny window and make any sense isn’t easy. Please excuse any typos.

  8. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes December 2, 2009

    Don, asking about an internet address is fine. But you have a history of writing-unusual-letters, as I do. So asking about a mailing-possibly a home-address is getting into a sensitive area. & yes, I did notice you don’t seem to comment on my or paulie’s comments much. That’s up to you.

  9. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    By the way, my father, brother and sister were all Marines. My mother was Navy.

    My brother died nine years ago Thursday of complications of chemical exposure that occurred during his service, and no, the government really didn’t take care of him.

  10. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    Don, I believe the problem is that a lot of people who oppose the war(s), for whatever reason, are quick to latch onto anti-military sentiment and turn that against the soldiers. This is a mistake, of course, a logical fallacy, but they need to direct their anger toward someone, and Obama’s a little hard to reach. So they point at the first uniform they see and attack. An officer friend of mine has had his tires slashed and his car keyed simply for having a defense department sticker on it. This wrong-headed hatred is why so many people were so ugly to the soldiers after Vietnam, even though most of those soldiers were conscripted and had no choice. They’re making the same mistake now.

    Have you checked out Oath Keepers? This is a group of veterans and law enforcement personnel who have made a list of unconstitutional orders they refuse to follow, and they’re gaining a lot of support. I’m hoping to form a coalition with them to build better relations between veterans, police officers and Libertarians.

  11. The LP, CP or greens have never declared an anti establishment pro veteran platform.

    The short lived Veterans Party USA had specific programs, anti VERPS campaign for one, but like the CP could not decide on existence as a political organization or a church.

    The Dems and GOP: we are all for the veterans getting their fair due on benefits [but NOTHING on specifics ………..]!

    The LP holiday card is on it’s way to Denny’s!

  12. Nate Nate December 2, 2009


    you write:

    “This wrong-headed hatred is why so many people were so ugly to the soldiers after Vietnam, even though most of those soldiers were conscripted and had no choice. They’re making the same mistake now.”

    How can they be making the *same* mistake, when none of the soldiers now were conscripted and all of them (to a certain extent) had a choice? I agree that it is wrong to attack the soldiers, but there is certainly a difference between a soldier who was threatened with jailtime and one who joined freely. They may not have chosen to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, but they chose to join the armed forces. If they had instead freely joined a violent gang, should they not be accountable for what they do as a member of that gang?

  13. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009


    The mistake is not that these people are attacking conscripts again. It’s that they’re taking out their frustration with the war on the soldiers who fought, whether of their own will or not, rather than on those who are responsible for the wars in the first place. Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that point.

    Whether or not they joined freely, they have absolutely no control over where they’re deployed or which missions they’re expected to perform. A military organization has a chain of command, and soldiers are trained, for better or worse, to obey it, provided the orders are constitutional. This is because they aren’t given all the details of the overarching mission, just their own mission. So unless they are given a frankly immoral order (according to the UCMJ) or an unconstitutional order, they do not have the luxury of disobeying, and in wartime, the penalties can be particularly stiff for mutiny.

    Remember, too, that a lot of these kids signed up during the wave of patriotic hysteria following 9-11-01, thinking they were going to be defending their country.

    In any case, that vitriol is better spent, not on the soldiers who often suffer for it, believe me, far more than anyone who hasn’t lived with a soldier or been a soldier can know, but on their betters who sent them off to fight in the first place.

  14. Nate Nate December 2, 2009


    I’ll just make this short and snappy: Agreed.

    I wish you luck in your candidacy.

  15. Aroundtheblockafewtimes Aroundtheblockafewtimes December 2, 2009

    Impressive resume and impressive list of backers. Weakness: not having served on Natcom and wanting to jump into the #2 spot as a rookie. At the very least, she should attend all the Natcom meetings as an observer between now and the convention so she gets a first hand look at players, procedures, strengths, weaknesses, etc. Will she be in Nashville where the 2010 budget is adopted?

  16. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi December 2, 2009

    Carolyn, will you support the St. Louis Accord, a proposed resolution that will be introduced in convention. It states:

    “The Party’s purpose is to implement and give voice to the Statement of Principles by uniting voters who want more personal and economic liberty behind the electoral choices that will most move public policy in a libertarian direction. The Party’s ultimate goal is to banish force initiation and fraud from human relationships. The Party does not claim to know how close our society can come to this ideal, but we are united in our conviction that governments must never add to the amount of aggression in the world. Principled libertarians can disagree about how best to reduce aggression or even about precisely what constitutes aggression, but we are united in defending the full rights of each person to his body, labor, peaceful production, and voluntary exchanges. Principled libertarians can disagree about whether every function of government can be performed by the free market, but we are united in opposing government’s growth beyond the protection of the rights of every individual to her life, liberty and property. Principled libertarians can disagree about how best we may each serve the cause of freedom, but we are determined to build a Party that welcomes and unites all those who want more personal and economic liberty. We defenders of freedom are too few, and the enemies of freedom are too many, for us to indulge in seeking heretics in our midst, rather than awakening allies across this freedom-loving land.”

  17. paulie paulie December 2, 2009

    How can they be making the *same* mistake, when none of the soldiers now were conscripted and all of them (to a certain extent) had a choice? I agree that it is wrong to attack the soldiers, but there is certainly a difference between a soldier who was threatened with jailtime and one who joined freely.

    Granted, lack of economic opportunity is not as severe a consequence as jail, but much economic opportunity that would otherwise exist is wiped out directly or indirectly by the force(d) monopoly. Add propaganda through regime schools and regime-entwined media, and deceptive practices by recruiters, and I can’t place too much of the blame on those (mostly) at the bottom of the social system who see the military as their only realistic option. Likewise, I don’t really blame the poor too much for accepting government “help.” The blame belongs at the top of the system, not with those pushed into being its pawns.

  18. paulie paulie December 2, 2009

    You might have noticed that I do not reply/ respond to many of your posting[s] — or paulie

    On the contrary, I see you responding to my posts and comments quite a bit. Not that I would mind if you didn’t.

  19. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes December 2, 2009

    paulie, yes, Don responds sometimes when you dog him, which is quite often.

  20. paulie paulie December 2, 2009

    LOL, no. Other way around.

  21. Steven R Linnabary Steven R Linnabary December 2, 2009

    Impressive resume and impressive list of backers. Weakness: not having served on Natcom and wanting to jump into the #2 spot as a rookie. At the very least, she should attend all the Natcom meetings as an observer between now and the convention so she gets a first hand look at players, procedures, strengths, weaknesses, etc.

    OTOH, we don’t want to scare her off. Once she sees the childish antics of some, she might not want anything to do with NatCom!!

    My personal feeling is that the LP survives and continues to gain credibility in spite of anything the NatCom does!


  22. Aroundtheblockafewtimes Aroundtheblockafewtimes December 2, 2009

    Sad news today. John Famularo passed away in Philadelphia on Nov.30th. He commented here infrequently but always had cogent observations on Party doings and shenanigans. He was an “activist” of the stripe that actually did things. His work on LNC data bases was legendary and helped the Party through some trying times. Always on the lookout for good candidates, he encouraged the Party to run the best and brightest. He’ll be missed by those who knew him best and even those whothought him a worthy opponent. RIP, John.

  23. Jill Pyeatt Jill Pyeatt December 2, 2009

    Carolyn, I’m delighted at this decision of yours and hope to be able to help in your campaign. I’ll send you my email address on Facebook so you can add me to your mailing list.

    I like the suggestion on # 18 that you attend NatCom meetings. It will give you direct knowledge of what’s going on with them, and perhaps other activists in the country can get to know and love you like we do in So Ca.

  24. Clay Barham Clay Barham December 2, 2009

    Let’s hope she emulates the original libertarians, the 19th century Democrats who followed Jefferson, Madison up to Cleveland, while 20th century Democrats follow Rousseau and Marx.

  25. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    While I’ve not served on the LNC, I know and work with many members of the LNC, having worked with them during the 08 campaign season — worked with and against, you might say, since most of them were on other campaigns — but because I am something of a coalition builder, I am privy to a lot of what goes on. I’ve attended many LNC meetings, the most recent of which was in San Diego to defend and support Angela Keaton; some of you may have seen me there. I was likewise very vocal in my condemnation of the attacks on Lee Wright and Steve LaBianca.

    I won’t be able to be in Nashville this weekend. Try as I might, I was unable to make arrangements to go. I’ve seen the budget, and I have some questions about it, so I’m submitting those through other LNC members. There’s another issue on the table involving a resolution that affects my state and my county directly for which I wish I could be there, as well, to advise the LNC from my personal experience of the situation and encourage a different approach to the problem. But I have had a hand in trying to revise their proposed approach to dealing with it. Hopefully the revised approach will be better received than the original, which is far too broad and intrusive.

    I’m sad to say I did not know John Famularo, but my heart goes out to his family and friends and those of the party who knew him.

    Robert Capozzi, re: the St. Louis Accord , it seems very much in line with my goals for Vice Chair, and I am inclined to support it. The only thing that would end my support is if I discovered it was crafted, contrary to the spirit it presents, to harm someone.

    I’m not a newcomer to Libertarianism, and I have been active and visible in the party at every level. Again, some of you, especially those not from California, may not be as familiar with my name or my activism as I’d like. Because I never intended to run for office at the national level, I never made a point of using that to promote myself or make a big show of visibility. My goal was to get the work done, not to take credit for it.

  26. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    Clay, I’m very much a Jeffersonian style Libertarian, spurious accusations of my being a “liberal commie” aside hehe.

    As far as Rousseau… I’ve studied Rousseau at length, and while, like a broken clock, occasionally he is right, the absolute best thing I took from him involved his interaction with Voltaire.

    He would write some biting, vicious remark about Voltaire’s philosophy, followed in almost the same breath with, “but you are coming to dinner on Thursday next, are you not? We should be quite put out if you cannot come.”

    Then Voltaire would reply with an equally scathing flame about Rousseau’s latest idiotic rant, followed by something along the lines of, “Delighted, I’m sure. I will bring wine from my family’s estate. Very much looking forward to it. ”

    These men could be fast friends and disagree passionately. Would that our interactions in the party might be likewise so neatly compartmentalized, that we might disagree adamantly in terms of politics but at the end of the day, be willing to crack a beer and break some bread together. I believe THAT is where the best things happen politically.

  27. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    Jill, thank you so much for your support. I do plan to attend the next LNC meeting. This one, as I said, snuck up on me, and I was unable to make arrangements to travel in time, this being the holiday season. But I’m taking pains to be sure I have the information from the meeting and that my questions regarding the budget are answered and that the Starr resolution is addressed appropriately.

  28. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi December 2, 2009

    Carolyn, I assure you that the St. Louis Accord was intended by me to foster a let-and-let-live attitude WITHIN the LP. There are, and always has been, a few schools of L thought that have fought like cats and dogs over what I believe is largely minutiae. All Ls are lessarchists, and my hope is the Accord would be a big step forward in ushering in an Era of Good Feeling inside the party. Now more than ever, we need to be united in our mutual goal of being a positive force for rolling back the State.

    I’m pleased you’re inclined to support the Accord. Should you have language suggestions, we’re all ears!

  29. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    Robert, I only see places where it would be good to let this faction or that faction put in a minor change that helps them take a little ownership in the thing. It’s OUR stone soup now instead of YOUR stone soup.

    The way it was presented by Mr. Holtz in the other thread seemed to put almost everyone who read it on the defensive before it was even put forward, so I saw a lot of people feeling the need to quibble and kibbitz over this word or that word in order to attack it when in fact it’s not the accord itself that’s upsetting them but the (to their minds) mischaracterizations of their beliefs. Nothing ticks off a religious person faster than someone who does not share their beliefs attempting to characterize them. The same applies in politics.

    So if you would get their support, as long as the spirit of the thing remains intact, encourage them to take a hand in crafting it, be open to their suggestions as it seems you are, and they are more likely to support and accept it themselves.

  30. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 2, 2009

    Thanks, Don. 🙂 Hehe thirteen opinions… that’s funny! ~~ C

  31. The Last Conservative The Last Conservative December 2, 2009

    I am sorry to hear about John Famularo’s death. It should definitely be its own thread if confirmed.

    Carolyn, I call you a liberal commie because in my political philosophy, anyone who does not believe in the end of freedom and the return of absolute monarchy, is a liberal commie. The liberal commie conspiracy has been damaging the world for the past 300 years, and only now is true conservatism rising up.

  32. Mik Robertson Mik Robertson December 2, 2009

    Unfortunately John Famularo did pass away November 30. There is a Memorial Mass Thursday, 12/3.

  33. Oh Carolyn, if you want snide comments

    Libs, especially West Coast /California;

    Citizens For A Better Veterans Home

    was founded in 1998. B4 the Greens

    [extensively in 2005], CP, P&F, reformers

    were approached, we hit up the LPCa for

    ‘smaller government’ and ‘public corruption’

    Altho some individuals have, via months of

    intensive personal lobbying, seen the light,

    most have just brought goofy smiles [Steve

    Kubby, Gail Lightfoot] to the veterans table

    Sandy Ego’s Richard Rider, ‘6 foot 2’ of two

    legged human political sand paper. [oh, come

    if you knew Mister San Diego Libertarian …]

    Mr. Rider’s comment to me in 2001: ‘save

    me from my enemies ?????? it is my friends

    that I worry about’ Good recriuting phrase

    Dickie, way to reach out to others ………

    Want to tell the future of potential Lib

    Kindergarteners ????? ‘Does not play

    well with others ……….’

    If you are serious about a Lib Vet

    connection give me a PMB or POB.

    I can mail you POUNDS of documentation

    For give me if I am not really jazzed up

    but the fake pro veterans of the Whigs

    can not even mail in my registration form!

    263 Eucalyptus Court

    Chula Vista, CAlifornia 91910-3030

    619 420 0409

  34. Thomas M. Sipos Thomas M. Sipos December 3, 2009

    Carolyn may have my endorsement, if she thinks it’s worth anything.

    As for her not having Natcom experience, neither does Root. Yet Root’s considering a run for Chair, not merely Vice Chair.

  35. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi December 3, 2009

    carolyn 32, as I indicated in 31, language suggestions are welcome. I’ve had a draft that I dropped after Holtz offered his. Chartier and Knapp have offered some tweaks. As we get closer to the 2010 convention, the language will be further tuned up for the floor.

    As for “factions,” my take is there are way more than two ideologically. There may be roughly two when it comes to the LP’s purpose: education or electoral respectability, would be my short hand.

    So, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the matter. Is the LP’s primary purpose to educate people about L-ism, or is its primary purpose to run candidates for office to demonstrate the power and practicality of L ideas?

  36. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp December 3, 2009

    “Is the LP’s primary purpose to educate people about L-ism, or is its primary purpose to run candidates for office to demonstrate the power and practicality of L ideas?”

    The answer to that question is not a matter of opinion. The demonstrable factual answer is: Neither.

    The purpose — the only purpose — of the LP is set forth in its bylaws: “to implement and give voice to the principles embodied in the Statement of Principles.”

    Rinning candidates for office and educating people about libertarianism are methods, not purposes — and both appear in the bylaws as part of a list of methods for achieving the party’s purpose.

    If you think that the party’s purpose should be something other than what it is, or that the bylaws should restrict it to, or prioritize, one method over another, then bring a damn motion to the convention floor to make it so instead of pretending that it’s meaningful to discuss factual issues as if they were matters of opinion.

  37. robert capozzi robert capozzi December 3, 2009

    tk, goodness gracious! “Methods” if you prefer. Isn’t it abundantly clear what my intent was, that I wasn’t suggesting changing the super-majority-protected bylaws?

    Is my characterization of educationism vs electoral crediblism fair, or not?

  38. paulie paulie December 3, 2009

    I am sorry to hear about John Famularo’s death. It should definitely be its own thread if confirmed.

    It’s confirmed. I don’t have enough material yet for a proper obituary. If anyone would like to, email it to or leave it in the comments.

  39. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 3, 2009

    I don’t see the two methods as being at odds, and in fact, they are both means to an end. Different ends for the most part.

    Candidates give us a human public face and make people more willing to join the party and/or give money. The party cannot survive without resources, and the two main things the party needs are people and money. With enthusiastic, committed people and more numbers in black than red in our accounting, we’re in a far better position to educate people about Libertarianism than we are without them.

    Candidates rile folks up and get them enthusiastic about what we’re doing. They give a human face to our philosophy, and they make human connections. That’s even when they don’t get elected. But once in a while, they actually get elected, and that lets us influence policy directly, demonstrating Libertarianism successfully at work in the political process.

    Activists and educators spread the message, and they’re extremely important. Elsewhere, I referred to them as the lifeblood of the party, and they are. Most of what we’re able to accomplish these days isn’t happening in electing people to office. Most of our achievements happen with issues at the local and state levels. It happens in initiatives to legalize medical marijuana and essentially nullify the federal government’s enforcement in CA, hat tip to Kubby. It happens in fighting against intrusive measures like eminent domain or against prop 8 or prop 4 in CA. We won with prop 4. We are still fighting to repeal prop 8.

    Point is, I don’t see it as an either-or proposition. We need both. Here’s a little more business-speak, but it’s the most concise way I can think to put it. If they were both cost centers, then it we might be forced to choose. But they’re actually what would be called profit centers in a profit-oriented corporation — while both cost an investment from the party, both candidates and activists bring interest and money INTO the party. So there’s no reason to pick and choose.

    Dedicating all our resources to one or the other would be a mistake because it would mean opportunities lost on the other side.

    ~~ Carolyn

  40. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp December 3, 2009


    You write:

    “Is my characterization of educationism vs electoral crediblism fair, or not?”

    I guess that depends on what you mean by “fair.” I’m less concerned about “fairness” than about “accuracy.” Your characterization describes/implies a dilemma which simply doesn’t exist in reality.

  41. robert capozzi robert capozzi December 3, 2009

    tk, when I said “fair,” I meant an accurate characterization of my perception of two primary approaches I see within the LP. Others have called the two camps “purists” and “pragmatists,” but I find those terms inaccurate, highly so.

    It seems helpful to understand the differences in perspective. Do you have a more useful terminology?

  42. robert capozzi robert capozzi December 3, 2009

    tk, btw, it may be “accurate” to say that Ls are made up of “anarchists” and “statists,” but it would hardly be fair, IMO.

  43. Thomas L. Knapp Thomas L. Knapp December 3, 2009


    I just don’t see this in the same terms as you do. It’s unlikely that the LP will “elect candidates to the office” without “educating the public,” and working to “elect candidates to office” is simultaneously a method of “educating the public.”

    The idea that one should be — or even realistically can be — prioritized over the other, let alone be beneficial if made the party’s sole focus, strikes me as just too silly to give much credence to.

    The only distinguishing factor I can see is that it may be possible for the LP to have an impact without electing anyone to office (by being the balance of power in elections and forcing the other parties into our policy corners to win), while it’s almost certainly not possible for us to have an impact without educating the public.

    It’s always worth noting that when the founder of the party called for formation of the party, the article in which he did so put electing people to office at the very bottom of the list of priorities: “And finally, there is always the possibility that we might actually get some libertarians elected.”

  44. robert capozzi robert capozzi December 3, 2009

    tk, note that I didn’t say educate or ELECT. I said “educate people about L-ism,” or “run candidates for office to demonstrate the power and practicality of L ideas? — what I’m calling electoral crediblism. Educationalists seem more interested in promoting L PHILOSOPHY; electoral crediblists seem more interested in promoting L ideas. Of COURSE there’s overlap.

  45. robert capozzi robert capozzi December 3, 2009

    tk, more…I’m not making the case for either approach, I’m simply identifying two strategies as a means to come to Accord.

    But remind me why what one of a founders opinion was decades ago is so relevant? At this point, why should we defer to one man’s opinion? Sounds kinda unL to me 😉

  46. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck December 4, 2009

    Appears Don can’t take a gun joke…

  47. NASCAR Fan NASCAR Fan December 4, 2009

    I would vote for her almost completely based on her smile. I think it would be a good idea to get someone with some dramatic experience into our leadership at National. Does anyone know if Mrs. Marbry has any fiduciary experience and references in the Party?

    Leading children in reciting in pentameter may have some similarities to directing candidates and activists but…

    I have been very disappointed by some of my votes at previous NatCons. To feel confident, would love to hear about her history in positions of authority or trust in party leadership.

  48. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 4, 2009

    NASCAR, I admit readily that my visibility within the party has not been my primary concern — I focus more on getting the job done than on who gets the credit, and that may work against me. I’ve worked with several committees at the state level, and I served as treasurer of my county party, but I suppose what has gained me the most notice at the national level was the work I did on the Phillies campaign. I started out as just his press director which put my workin front of 15,000 media outlets nationawide on behalf of a Libertarian candidate, and from there, my responsibilities expanded to include traveling for the campaign and appearing on his behalf and coaching him on personal presentation, as well as a fair bit of logistics management, particularly at the national convention.

    Fiduciary responsibilities: As I said above, I was CEO of my own company at age 21, and it was a profitable company if small. I only dissolved it because I got a better offer, frankly. I do know how to run a business, and I do know how to put together financial statements. As vice chair, of course, being able to create financials is less of a requirement than being able to read and understand them, but knowing how they go together means I’m better able to read between the lines and ask questions. This is something we need at the national level.

    I listed some of my early endorsements from members of the party in my announcement, including Less Antman, Angela Keaton and David Nolan, among others. I’ve worked closely with Angela in particular on many occasions, but the other endorsements I’ve received have been based on what I’ve said and done within the party, my ideas for moving the party forward and my ability to bring people together who might otherwise find it hard to cooperate.

    My directorial experience is not just with children but with professional actors. I’ve heard it said that guiding Libertarians is like herding wet cats. The same can be said of both actors and engineers, and I’ve successfully guided both to success.

    Hopefully this helps you get to know me a little better. If you have any other questions, I’d be happy to answer them. If you’d rather ask me privately, my email is cmarbry at gmail dot com.

    ~~ Carolyn

    One thing I’d add, for those who are concerned about my relative youth in the party: Root is very new to the party, yet he ran for President and is now running for chair. Bob Barr was put on the LNC and later nominated as a Presidential candidate with far less time or experience within the party than I have now.

  49. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 4, 2009

    Thomas, thank you so much for your endorsement! I appreciate your support, and I won’t let you down.

    ~~ Carolyn

  50. NASCAR Fan NASCAR Fan December 4, 2009

    I remember seeing you at the last NatCom. Forgive me if I am a little obtuse. I have some Fridays off and beer-thrity came a little early today. The Goobernator has given me free time but not a lot of beer money. Bud drinks faster than my usual IPA.

    Please tell me about your experiences as treasurer and who from the Tucson Party endorses you? It is party leadership experience that is important to me.

    I think that working with local Libertarians is a far stronger test than owning your own business. Business is pretty straight forward in comparison to what I have seen from politics.

    I want to hear about your experiences staying at a volunteer post, spending your own money and working with difficult personalities on a team you did not create, especially the sorts of personalities that third parties draw.

    Being a treasurer can be a lot of pressure even in a small rural group. There is a lot of responsibility there. Tell me about your successes there. Were you in on some of the R3volution activity there?

    Also, forgive me asking. It is none of my business really; but how would you afford the travel costs that NatCom VC would incur as a home-school mom?

    We have seen LNC members take on more than they realized and drop out. That’s how some of those people we have now got there. They couldn’t get elected or chosen from their own region, so their friends drove up the cost of being an elected Rep and knocked good people out. Do you have the means to take on all the travel and incidentals… not to mentions Mr. Starr’s requisite donations from officers and reps?

    Thank you for responding. It is very good of you to come out and post. Not even Root is doing that.

  51. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 5, 2009

    Hahaha yes, I wasn’t going to mention that it was not the best film ever. I wasn’t going to go into this, in the interest of not embarrassing anyone, but here it is.

    A short version of the story behind that film: Rob, the director, was under contractual obligation to finish this film, but the original producer had left, apparently taking the remainder of the budget with her. There was literally NO money left and a whole lot of film yet to make. So I took over as producer, and we had to get very creative in order to finish the film in any way we could to keep the executive producer from having grounds to sue.

    It’s not a good film. I’ll be the first to admit it. But the fact that it exists at all and that Canyon Pictures still exists, such as it is, is a testament to my ability to salvage otherwise financially destroyed projects, make something out of nothing and meet contractual obligations.

    Hopefully that helps.

    NASCAR, I’m posting my reply to your message now. The page was broken last night when I tried to post.

    ~~ Carolyn

  52. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 5, 2009

    NASCAR: Wow, a lot of questions., which I’m glad to answer as best I can.

    While I’ve been Libertarian in philosophy since I was even aware of politics, I was not involved in party politics until I moved to northern California, so no, I did not get to participate in the Arizona parties. I lived only a few miles from David Nolan in Tucson, and I had no idea. 🙂 I only found that out last year at the LSLA convention in Vegas.

    I was involved with the San Francisco party when I lived up there, although before too long, I was getting involved with the campaign and was focused primarily on that. I became more involved in the state party during that period, as well. When I moved to southern California, I became very heavily involved in both the state party and in the local party in San Bernardino.

    I’ll answer your other questions first, then come back to my service in the county party because that’s complicated.

    As to volunteer posts? Even apart from activism on various issues, the single biggest and most obvious example I can offer is the Shakespeare Theatre Troupe. It was entirely volunteer, funded at first from my own pocket with some donations from the kids and their parents. My philosophy was that I wanted any child who wanted to participate to be able to, regardless of finances, and that we would let our audiences to finance the company by buying tickets to the shows. It worked very well. We rolled the proceeds of one show into the next, which allowed us better costumes, better sets, better venues.

    Again, this ended when I moved to CA, and I’ve actually been thinking of starting such another theatre troupe here because it was so successful. I’m also looking forward to directing Cymbeline again because it rocked. But I digress…

    I understand your asking about my finances, and I am not offended. Let me assure you, my pockets are deep enough. Since this is a public site, I’m hesitant to lay out my financials in detail, but let’s just say we were a Microsoft family in the 90s, and I have a fair number of investments. I have enough money to travel, and my son is grown, so homeschooling is no longer a consideration.

    As to Starr’s “donations,” as I said, I do have money, but I also have very good people skills and a good hand with fundraising. I should be fine.

    Here’s the thing. I know that my one issue in running — and yes, I admit it could be seen as a weakness — is that I’ve not been visible in the party as long as a lot of other people. I’ve not been part of the status quo, and I’m not one of the fixtures yet. Some, however, see that as a strength. I’m not steeped in the old ways and the old rules and the old way of thinking, and I’m not beholden to this faction or that faction. I’m still fresh, still enthusiastic, still idealistic, but with a healthy dose of realism that can only come from real-world business experience.

    My whole business is, was and always has been innovation and problem solving. You don’t solve problems by throwing the same broken big-party solutions at them over and over til they stick. You have to find new solutions and make new friends.

    As to candidates not replying, well… the more we say, the more we give people to kibbitz, and the advice everyone gives is, DON’T ANSWER! So I may be shooting myself in the foot to be so forthcoming. But honestly, I’d rather you make your decision based on something other than my smile hehe. So I want you to know what you’re voting for or NOT voting for, as the case may be. I trust people to take my answers in the spirit in which I offer them, in a spirit of honesty and disclosure. If they want to find something to crucify me with, well, that’s on them.

    Okay, so let’s talk county party. You may be aware of the drama in the San Bernardino County party. That drama’s been ongoing for a while. It’s difficult to get into my time as treasurer without getting into some of that, and I’d rather not. Suffice it to say, I resigned my position as treasurer partway through my term over a matter of principle, a violation of the party by-laws to push another officer’s personal agenda, in direct conflict with the vote of the body, which bypassed myself and the chair, and that same officer’s patent refusal to comply with my requests for receipts in order to do the books properly. Between that and the fact that the prior officers could not manage to get my name or the name of the chair on the chequebook, there was nothing I could do short of resigning and bringing it to the attention of the membership, which I did.

    I’ve never resigned from any post like this in my life, nor would I be inclined to. But this was a hopeless situation, and as more information about this individual has come to light, I do not regret that decision. During my tenure as treasurer, however, I did oversee a successful joint fundraiser between the state and county parties, and the party was comfortably in the black.

    I’ve since changed my party affiliation to a different county party (the state by-laws allow this) and am working with members of that party to create a law enforcement liaison position to help coordinate with local law enforcement so we can avoid misunderstandings and potential dangerous conflicts. Their chair, Gene Trosper, has endorsed me for national vice chair.

    If you’re interested in more information about my time with San Bernardino, I’d be willing to discuss it offline, not to protect myself — hell, I resigned, I have nothing to try to protect in that regard — but because I’d rather not allow my campaign to be tainted by the drama of what’s going on there which has spread all the way to national. I appreciate your understanding.

    Thanks for asking these questions.

    ~~ Carolyn

  53. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 5, 2009

    By the way, for those intrepid souls inclined to see Border Warz (which I would not recommend unless you really enjoy horrible movies), I did the producer’s commentary on the DVD, for whatever it’s worth.

  54. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi December 5, 2009

    cm, sometimes we learn our MOST IMPORTANT lessons from our failures. That you produced an indie — even a poor one — makes you a more interesting figure in my book. Shows you’ve got an independent spirit and are willing to take risks.

  55. Rorschach Rorschach December 14, 2009

    Last Conservative, you are by your own description irrelevant to this thread. I can think of no purpose, in fact, to your presence here other than to troll. This news is only meaningful to Libertarians. Disbelief in freedom is ipso facto failure to be a Libertarian and disqualifies you from the right to an opinion on the matter. Don’t like it? Maybe you do believe in freedom after all.

  56. Don Lake .......... Ex Officio Don Lake .......... Ex Officio December 14, 2009

    Good ole Sand Berdue, the most corrupt county in the state. Out side of the party, and as some one who use to stand up on Tuesdays and lambaste officials whom later ended up in prison ……….

  57. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry December 14, 2009

    Let me put it this way. There is plenty for Libertarians to do to clean things up in SB county, both in terms of running for office and activism.

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