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Michael Seebeck running for Libertarian National Committee

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Fellow Californians,

After a lot of consulting, consideration, and discussion with both family and colleagues within the Party, I am announcing my candidacy for LNC Regional Representative for Region 2, serving California.

These past two years have seen the LNC in turmoil and the LPCA in growth, and the next 3 years are OUR time. It is time to restore strong and principled leadership to the LNC and to continue that growth in California. As the largest state affiliate and the only single-state region, California’s role on the LNC is unique. We’ve seen their turmoil and its impacts on our state, and it is past time to end it and move forward with doing the jobs we have pledged our time, our money, our sweat, our tears, and even our blood—using the political process to advocate, create, and move towards a libertarian society. Great progress has been made, but it is time to build on that and grow nationally, and to continue our growth in California. THIS IS OUR TIME! We need to make the most of it. Voters are angry, and we MUST tap into that for our success, at all levels.

What do I bring to the LNC?

· I’m a known name and presence in LNC circles. I maintain regular contact with several current, past and most likely future members, and I have earned their respect and admiration, and they have expressed support for me. I have been very active in national affairs, including helping to blaze the trail for the now-common and much-needed webcasting of the LNC meetings to members. I have a good sense of what is going right and what is going wrong there.

· My LP experience spans a decade over two states (CA and CO), at all of their levels, from county offices and committees to state leadership. I’ve been a candidate for office once, and while I didn’t win, I did defeat a $46 million bond issue. I’m an activist at heart, but I’ve also been a county Treasurer; a gofer; a campaign manager, adviser, and worker; a state and county Media Director; a county Outreach Director and activist; a Bylaws guru; a Style writer; a convention organizer; and a legislation and ballot proposition analyst. I have been published in newspapers and been interviewed on TV, and at one point was also a radio guest host. I bring a diverse set of skills and experience to the job.

· I have no intention of compromising libertarian principles in the name of “going along” or “being successful.” I believe that we can be successful ONLY by not compromising our principles, and by doing the work that needs to be done to make the LP achieve its birthright as the future of American politics.

But, I also need to also make a couple of things clear:

· If elected, I will continue my work on the LPCA Executive Committee. I made a commitment to my colleagues there, to our candidates, and to the California membership, and I intend to honor it. I believe that commitment plus being a Regional Representative, while together are difficult, are actually complementary in nature. There are positive things California is doing, and while we can lead by example, we also need to communicate by example as well, and we can draw from other states what they are doing right, pool our information, and help each other grow. That means it is necessary to have our Regional Representative “in the loop” at the state level and the state “in the loop” at the national level, and the membership “in the loop” at ALL levels. It is my intention to do exactly that, and we have so much to do!

· This is not about personal glory or titles. My personal reward for doing my work within the LP is the love of my family and a clear conscience that I’ve done my best for the cause of liberty, to make their and our future a little better and brighter. Titles carry responsibilities, and it is there where I focus. There is no end to the number of things that need doing at all levels of the LP. Titles don’t mean anything if the job isn’t done and done right. It’s not about me, and it never has been, and never will be—that’s not my style. I want what’s best for the Party and what’s best for liberty, first and foremost, and I truly believe my work within the LP will stand by itself to the objective mind as positive and productive, even under the traditionally harsh scrutiny that libertarians tend to give each other and everything else.

It’s no secret that I’ve been a critic of a good number of LNC actions. In the past, I’ve been a similar critic of my state and county LP actions as well. Back then, I was effectively told to “put up or shut up.” So I “put up”. Once again, I’m “putting up.” I’m willing to step up and make things better. I undoubtedly have my own set of critics—it comes with the territory. BUT, if we all step up and make things better as a team, we can do what has been thought to be the impossible. That takes a lot of hard work and dedicated and focused effort by everyone at all levels, and sometimes on more than one level, which is also why I’m running. It’s time to make the LNC successful as well as our great state. Others across the country will be doing the same thing, and we will succeed by working together, which means I need your support, feedback, and even a kick in the pants from time to time. The best teams lift each other up and accomplish remarkable things. California has been very fortunate these past few years to have a good team in leadership, and now it’s time to get everyone on board—including you!—and take it to the next level, both in terms of intensity here and to the LNC. That is what I intend to do, with your help at every step of the way.

In closing, I believe that I am the best fit for what California needs for representation on the LNC, and I ask for your support in Long Beach next month and beyond. We can do this together!

In Liberty,

Michael Seebeck

At-Large

Libertarian Party of California

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56 Comments

  1. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 8, 2010

    Michael Seebeck, one of my detractors at IPR. It is no secret that I am hoping Dr. Phillies wins the chair & stacks the LNC with radicals. What say you to this? & by the way, you could show support for PLAS by getting a Lib in the mayoral race in Long Beach or support the pinko PSL candidate against the reactionary mayor.

  2. Aroundtheblockafewtimes Aroundtheblockafewtimes January 8, 2010

    Gee, a regional rep candidate who actually knows his region and wants to do the job of a regional rep. Not somebody who reluctantly raises his hand when his or her region can’t find anyone else to serve.

  3. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson January 8, 2010

    And Michael Seebeck doesn’t appear to be the kind of person who runs so that he can tell other how to do things and then sits on his ass and does nothing. Seen way to many of those type of control freaks in the past.

  4. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi January 8, 2010

    ms, do you intend to support the St. Louis Accord resolution in convention?

  5. Michael H. Wilson // Jan 8, 2010:
    “seen way too many ……… control freaks in the past……. ”

    Lake: oh, so you’ve met John Blare, Frank MacKay, John Dennis Coffey, Valli Sharpe Giesler, John Bambey …………

  6. The Last Conservative The Last Conservative January 8, 2010

    Michael Seebeck, do you intend to surrender lightly when the alliance of Catholic Trotskyists and real common-sense conservatives takes over the LP at the 2012 convention?

  7. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 9, 2010

    I’m delighted that Mike has announced his run for region 2 representative, representing my home state of California, and I’m proud to endorse him. Seebeck’s just the kind of person we need on the LNC, someone who gets out there and does what needs to be done.

  8. Ralph Swanson Ralph Swanson January 9, 2010

    What is Mr. Seebeck’s background, and what are his issues and qualifications?

  9. LibertarianGirl LibertarianGirl January 9, 2010

    If I lived in Cali , I would totally vote for Seebeck .Everyone on everyside says what an actual HARD WORKER he is .

  10. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen January 9, 2010

    I would say that Mister Seebeck is all of the things he says above.

    Mike and I have been on opposite ends of almost every big ideological issue.

    He even was one of the votes to expel me from the LPCA. (I can’t figure that one out and I’m not asking him or trying to, it is what it is.)

    So, nobody can accuse me of supporting him because we are palzies or because he’s ‘pro-war’ or some silly ideological BS.

    Mike tells the truth as he sees it.
    He does his research.
    He does his preparation.
    He shows up on time.
    He delivers on his promises.

    And he certainly is a hard worker.

    ______________________
    I have a concern about one statement he
    makes in his campaign statement above,
    and let me quote Mike:
    ” I have no intention of compromising libertarian principles in the name of “going along” or “being successful.””

    In Mike’s Libertarian world, does this mean that Libertarians who don’t agree with his position say for example, on Foreign Policy are welcome, or unwelcome as Libertarian Party Members?

    _______________________________

    Again, there are very, very few people that I would work with on any project, personal, political or professional that currently are warming seats on the LPCA Board of Directors.

    Mister Seebeck is one of those few.

    Michael is a professional and very nicely spoken and written and certainly performs on the deliverables he commits to.

  11. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck January 9, 2010

    It looks like it’s time for me to say a few words. Please forgive the condensing here.

    Milnes @1:
    A. I have no issue with “radicals” on the LNC. We need them there to keep the balance between ideology and functionality.
    B. Long Beach is not my department. Talk to the Los Angeles County regional LP for that area.

    Capozzi @4: Send me a link to whatever the finalized version is so I can give a good answer. Last I heard it wasn’t really finalized.

    TLC @6: That’s just silly, and 2012 will take care of itself when we get there.

    Swanson @9: I detailed some of them in the candidacy announcement (second bullet under “What do I bring to the LNC?”). They are by no means all of them, and I was only summarizing. Besides, it’s not about titles, it’s about getting the job done.

    Bruce @10: It’s humbling to be endorsed by someone who doesn’t agree with you. Thank you.

    You asked: ” In Mike’s Libertarian world, does this mean that Libertarians who don’t agree with his position say for example, on Foreign Policy are welcome, or unwelcome as Libertarian Party Members?”

    No. It does mean that I will not sacrifice principles to be a part of a majority for some personal political gain. A lot of the LNC is pure administration work, the nose-to-the-grindstone work that kinda eschews the philosophy anyway–stuff that needs to be done no matter if you’re liberal, conservative, libertarian, Pastafarian, or whatever. It’s more details on how we get there over the specifics of what”there ” is. On the issues of what “there” is, there’s plenty of discussion, agreement, disagreement, arguments, and circular firing squads to go around. Considering those discussion are about whether the train stops in San Francisco or Reno when we’re still stuck in the station in New York (to borrow an old reference), the focus should be about getting the train running and moving down the tracks first. Reno and San Francisco can be figured out once the train enters Nevada.

    To everyone else, thank you all for the kind words and support.

  12. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    All I asked was a simple question. Put another way, Michael, are you a radical or not? Are you against the diversion, pilfering, THEFT of LP wherewithall by “conservatives”WAYNE ROOT rightists,BOB BARR dixiecrats RON PAUL paleos LEW ROCKWELL ?FOR Forming a radical/anarchist bloc? FOR Taking George’s cues? who is more radical the paulie for sure. paulie rp/rp supporter. I mean aren’t you outraged everytime George reports this crap like Barr debt & supporting republicans? &LNC voting to support Ron Paul etc? Is the LP radical & revolutionary or not? What say YOU?

  13. Rorschach Rorschach January 9, 2010

    @12

    Why must he be for or against you? Seebeck might well be the sort of person who doesn’t rant in poor grammar and all caps and declare his enemies every chance he gets.

    We could do with more like him.

  14. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    Carolyn Marbry,There is little doubt in my mind the convict persecution resolution was directed at me. In any event I don’t like being colateral damage. & I don’t like cavalier attitudes about it. Are you with George or not? Are you a radical or not?

  15. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    Right. We need more right wing GOP ass kissers. & government dupes.

  16. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen January 9, 2010

    I’m not formally endorsing Mister Seebeck until I see who else is running.

    But I certainly would vote for him, work with him, and help him.

    I like his answer to my question, and feel relieved he doesn’t discriminate against us pastafarians.

  17. Rorschach Rorschach January 9, 2010

    @15

    Actually, to be absolutely clear, we need FEWER “Us and Them” extremist freak shows whose only use seems to be polarizing mainstream America against us. Every time something serious is attempted, the powers-that-be are able to point to some asshat Radical Libertarian ranting about 9/11 Truth, Chem trails, the Gold Standard, killing Congress, or some other fringe group pet-peeve. And America keeps looking at us like we’re a Party for wierdos and felons.

    At least it seems we can do something about the felons.

    This is politics, man. This is not team sports, with rules and black-and-white lines drawn in the sand. The game is to get liked enough that people take us seriously enough to HAND us power and influence. The game is not fair, it is not pretty, it is not fun, and it is not even necessarily ethical, but there is NOTHING that can be done to change it. The only other options are to shut up, sit down, and take it, or to end up dead or in jail for treason and terrorism.

    Romanticism and idealism have no place here. Best disabuse yourself of those notions and come back when you’re ready to get your hands dirty.

  18. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 9, 2010

    Robert, with all due respect, I know EXACTLY what precipitated that resolution and your name wasn’t even a consideration. Cross my heart and hope to die.

    It was entirely concerning an issue in CA and the reason it made it to national at all was because it made the press. Seriously. It’s not about you, never was. In fact, I don’t think anyone knew it would affect you at all until you mentioned it here. Surely no one on the LNC mentioned it to me. Same with Paulie and Tom. Nobody realized it would be so far reaching.

    Regardless, I did what I could, emailing and calling people, to get it removed from the agenda because it was a jackhammer to do microsurgery — the wrong tool in no uncertain terms. It WAS, in fact, removed.

    In any case, you’re not even collateral damage at this point. It’s simply not an issue now, especially now that CA has taken care of the situation that prompted it themselves.

    I will work well with whomever the body elects as Chair and the other officers and members of the LNC, assuming I’m privileged enough to be elected vice chair. It’s how I get things done — cooperation. I realize that’s a new word to many in the LP, but it’s something I pride myself on.

    That said, my preference for chair is George Phillies, both for his native intelligence, his willingness to take a stand for what he believes in even when it’s not necessarily the most popular stand, and his record of getting things done and his never-say-die attitude. At this juncture, a spine and the ability to get people working together are of paramount importance to the party, far more than smooth talking or a great smile, which is why I’m supporting the people I’m supporting, including Phillies, including Power, including Seebeck and Williamson…

    Hope that helps answer your questions.

    And Mike, I’m sorry this question on YOUR announcement thread threw focus on me.

  19. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 9, 2010

    (In fact, I’m wondering why you called me out on that resolution in this thread anyway…. but whatever.)

  20. Michael H. Wilson Michael H. Wilson January 9, 2010

    Carolyn please ‘splain who Williamson is?

  21. George Phillies George Phillies January 9, 2010

    Scott Williamson of Tennessee is conducting an exploratory campaign preparatory to possibly running for Regional Representative from his region, which extends from Texas to Georgia to North Carolina.

  22. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    Carolyn, I understand ” what precipitated that resolution”. The mess in CA. I suspected that even before it became clear. But you don’t think there are people or groups acting behind the scenes to see such as an opportunity? Dupes, lackeys, CI’s,think tanks, special agents etc just to name a few off the top. OK? So, my complaint is just to make a point,Ok. It’s done for now until the next opportunity for dirty tricks come up, ok? Now, you prefer GeorgeThat good enough for me now.

  23. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 9, 2010

    Honestly, Robert, no. It all happened so fast upon the heels of the Barnes story breaking in the press that I doubt they had time to organize anything that complex. Seriously, it was the a member of the LNC trying to put out a fire that wasn’t really theirs to put out. If and when we see something else to support the idea that it was a deeper conspiracy, we can revisit this point, but at this juncture, I think it’s as it appears to be.

  24. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    Right, the powers that be only respect & listen to rightists like Paul, Barr, Root & Rockwell. We don’t need them, they need us, kind of like leeches. & the powers that be could be the powers that were if we vote them the HELL OUT!

  25. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    I want the PIG OFF MY BACK. If you don’t mind. & out of my ass.

  26. Rorschach Rorschach January 9, 2010

    You fool, they don’t need us. We are a couple thousand in over 300 million. Don’t delude yourself.

  27. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    Carolyn, come on. The Barnes mess was festering for a long time.

  28. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    Rorschach, no don’t YOU delude Yourself. Cato says The Libertarian Vote is 13%. If we don’t throw it all away to Ron Paul & Gary Johnson. & our friends-the progressives, could muster 27%. Just ask Teddy Roosevelt. Now add & ask & ye shall receive!

  29. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 9, 2010

    No, not so much, Robert. A few people in CA knew about it as early as October, but it was by no means public. The CA party was working to resolve it quietly, and to their credit, they forced Barnes’ resignation as soon as they had the facts in hand. They did not want to take action without having the facts, and I have to commend them for that. Then the SBC LP re-elected Barnes to the office of vice chair. Somehow the press found out about that and the story made it out of CA and was brought to the attention of the LNC. IMMEDIATELY, Starr set about drafting this resolution so it would be on the table for the Nashville meeting. So really, no, it wasn’t festering for “a long time.”

  30. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    The progressives are very sorry they put Obama in the White House! They are looking for an alternative. They have no party.

  31. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    Carolyn, I heard about it months before it hit the fan. Probably in IPR. & I wasn’t particularly paying attention to it.

  32. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 9, 2010

    I wouldn’t trust Starr as far as I can spit. & he’s LP’s TREASURER? Give me a break!

  33. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 9, 2010

    End of September, beginning of October is when it hit. You have something from before that? I’d like to see it.

    As I said, it was CA’s problem to fix, and they were on it. It wasn’t until it hit the mainstream press that National thought they needed to get involved.

  34. Rorschach Rorschach January 9, 2010

    CATO is short stroking a dick that the LP has gotten too lazy to reach for. Show me a real election where we polled 13% and maybe I’ll reconsider.

    I hate to break it too you, but Roosevelt has been dead for 90 years, the Civil War was lost in 1865, and the worst recession since the 1930’s can’t even get people to join the Socialist party, much less the Libertarians. Sorry, but shit ain’t the way CATO or Ayn Rand or any of those simple-minded fellators say it is. One cannot simply “opt-out” of the system, one cannot simply rally the masses. Ron Paul was the best shot anyone’s had in years, and just look how effective that turned out to be.

    And there you are quoting the Bible at me, as if to say “We don’t stand a chance, but if we pray hard enough maybe THAT will make a difference!”

    Even IF CATO managed to stop gargling your balls long enough to conduct a real poll, those are still losing numbers. Remember, percentages go all the way to 100.

  35. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck January 10, 2010

    Carolyn, no sweat on things. Around here, this is par for the course. 🙂

  36. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck January 10, 2010

    Bruce, apologies for the misunderstanding of reading that as an endorsement. My bad.

  37. Please Don't Feed The Trolls Please Don't Feed The Trolls January 10, 2010

    Mr. Milnes, you are to be commended for having been forthright on your campaign site about your stalking conviction, your history of mental illness, your SSI disability, and your efforts to avoid homelessness. Every aspiring LP leader with such issues should be similarly forthright about them.

    Aspiring LP leaders should also care more about building a track record of party activism. If you’re going to trash libertarian icons like Ron Paul and party workhorses like our Treasurer, it would be nice if you had any kind of an activism resume to give you credibility. It’s bad enough that you got zero votes in Denver for your presidential nomination campaign. Have you ever been an LP candidate on a general election ballot? Have you ever been an officer of any LP affiliate? Have you ever been a delegate at any LP convention? Are you even an LP dues-payer?

    Prominent Libertarians who care about the credibility of the party should seriously consider how much to indulge and encourage someone like Mr. Milnes. Of the 11 comments starting @22, 8 were his. Before responding to this sort of trolling, please ask yourself: what would be so wrong with just ignoring him?

  38. PLAS IS AWESOME PLAS IS AWESOME January 10, 2010

    PLAS WILL PREVAIL!! ALL HAIL CHAIRMAN MILNES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. Robert Capozzi Robert Capozzi January 10, 2010

    ms, the current draft is below. I seem to recall that Knapp had some suggested tweaks. So, would you vote for THIS language? If no, do you support the thrust of this draft enough to vote for it if it’s slightly amended?

    “The Party’s purpose is to implement and give voice to the Statement of Principles by uniting voters who want more personal and economic liberty behind the electoral choices that will most move public policy in a libertarian direction. The Party’s ultimate goal is to banish force initiation and fraud from human relationships. The Party does not claim to know how close our society can come to this ideal, but we are united in our conviction that governments must never add to the amount of aggression in the world. Principled libertarians can disagree about how best to reduce aggression or even about precisely what constitutes aggression, but we are united in defending the full rights of each person to his body, labor, peaceful production, and voluntary exchanges. Principled libertarians can disagree about whether every function of government can be performed by the free market, but we are united in opposing government’s growth beyond the protection of the rights of every individual to her life, liberty and property. Principled libertarians can disagree about how best we may each serve the cause of freedom, but we are determined to build a Party that welcomes and unites all those who want more personal and economic liberty. We defenders of freedom are too few, and the enemies of freedom are too many, for us to indulge in seeking heretics in our midst, rather than awakening allies across this freedom-loving land. “

  40. Born Again Non-Voter Born Again Non-Voter January 10, 2010

    Carolyn: “it was CA’s problem to fix, and they were on it. It wasn’t until it hit the mainstream press that National thought they needed to get involved.

    Another perspective is that it was San Bernardino’s issue to handle as they saw fit.

    If the California LP insists on meddling in the SB County LP’s affairs, then I don’t see they have any moral ground to complain if the national LP meddles in the California LP’s affairs.

    Anyway, wouldn’t the honest thing have been for the California LP to call a press conference, before the story broke, and handle the affair in public?

    Isn’t the LP always carping about transparency?

    Doesn’t the LP pretend that it’s different from the major parties, in that it’s open and honest with the public?

    Guess the LP is just the like major parties, in that it points fingers, but tries to cover up its own dirty laundry.

  41. Bruce Cohen Bruce Cohen January 10, 2010

    I’d like to correct/discuss a few things, specifically what was mentioned @29.

    Allow me to quote:
    “they forced Barnes’ resignation”

    Only from the LPCA Board.
    Not from his Committees.
    (They ‘forgot’, I was told in writing by several Board members…)

    They also ‘forgot’ to expel him.

    And there are several people who think it was being covered up, who thought the folks who knew it should have notified everyone, especially those with children.

    I am pleased that Matty was finally expelled and if I’m the sacrificial lamb they need to distract attention from the reality of the situation, so be it.

    I would love to see the actual times of both motions and votes, since the FaceBook announcement times for these events seem to have me going first and Matthew 8-9 hours later.

    And BANV @40 is 100% correct.

    When Kevin and company were running for office, they made a fuss about the ‘Starr Cabal’ and claimed Aaron and his team operated in secrecy, etc.

    But as usual, this is projection, as the current administration has been more secretive than any other I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been inolved since 1978.

    Yeah, I’m the bad guy here, for wanting Matthew expelled.

    And at the 2007 Convention when it was such a scandal when I refused to shake Barnes’ hand and told him off.

    Westwell and Takenaga made hay of how rude I was and campaigned heavily for Barnes.

    They can blame me all they want, and make up a laundry list of ‘offenses’, but the truth is, they really thought this guy was the greatest.

    Which means one of three things.

    1. They are horrible judges of character
    or
    2. The are so desperate for warm bodies, they will take almost anyone that agrees with them.
    or
    3. Both

    Am I missing another option?

    They WERE fooled by Matthew.
    They DID tell everyone how great he was.

    I would love to find a video tape of the folks who gave his nominating speeches.

  42. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 10, 2010

    pdftt @37, “…libertarian icons like Ron Paul…”. Ha, Ha! This says it all. He’s not a libertarian! This has been thoroughly been established not only by me but George & Tom, too. In the past 2 years or so. So what is the LP doing with this misleader? The Ron Paul COUNTERREVOLUTION supported by libs & LP. You people need HELP! & by the way it was not a stalking conviction. The whole thing was an FBI sussessful domestic covert operation against me. The play the courts like a fiddle. Maybe you will have a chance to find out the hard way.

  43. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 10, 2010

    Michael Sebeck @35, yes, good advice to Carolyn. Don’t sweat it. You gonna run for LNC vice-chair learn to be a politician. don’t let the little people make you sweat. Let alone see you sweat. Don’t sweat the small stuff.

  44. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 10, 2010

    @37 Yes I WAS an LP duespayer. GP too. But I let them lapse. I now am conducting an Independent campaign because I can see that both parties are unreliable. However, unlike Nader I will pull up a Green & Libertarian slate on my coattails. I don’t want to win the presidency just to walk into a reactionary dem & rep Congress.

  45. Robert Milnes Robert Milnes January 10, 2010

    Rorschack @34, “…the Civil War was lost in 1865…”. Tells me a LOT about where you are coming from.

  46. Rorschach Rorschach January 10, 2010

    Wait, what? Let me get this straight:

    You bitch and whine and moan about dilution and distraction on the ticket. Can’t vote for Ron Paul, can’t vote for Barr, can’t vote for Root, they’re not Libertarians.

    Then you put together a “hybrid” ticket.

    Nice double standard. #37 is right: You ARE insane.

    Which is great, it means I get to ignore you and deal with people who aren’t putting together campaigns for Grand Marshall of La-La Land.

    Enjoy obscurity, and send me a card from the looney bin!

  47. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 10, 2010

    BANV, #40, as you’re no doubt aware, CA simply revoked Barnes’ state membership which had the added effect of revoking his membership in the county party because the two are the same. State didn’t supercede any authority on the part of San Bernardino County.

    That same relationship does not occur between state and national — you can be a member of national without being a member of a state party, and vice versa. So no, it’s not the same thing at all.

  48. Troll Police Troll Police January 10, 2010

    Milnes is trolling @1 @14 $15 @22 @24 @25 @27 @28 @30 @31 @32 @44.

    Rorschach, smart Libertarians don’t feed trolls.

  49. Milnes is entertaining Milnes is entertaining January 10, 2010

    Am I the only one who enjoys Milnes’ insanity? I also enjoy your reactions to it. Freaking hilarious, all of you!

  50. Born Again Non-Voter Born Again Non-Voter January 10, 2010

    Carolyn @ 47, you’re invoking technicalities.

    But the LP claims to be a “party of principle.” Principle supercedes technicalities, no?

    And in principle, if the LP believes in grassroots power, and autonomy, which some LPers promote, then in principle, the national LP meddling in state affairs is identical to the state LP meddling in county affairs.

    What if the County LP ignored the State LP, and insisted that they had sole authority to define their membership and pick their leaders? Would you celebrate their autonomy and individualism, in principle?

    Guess not.

  51. Carolyn Marbry Carolyn Marbry January 10, 2010

    #50

    Problem is, I find the line between technicalities and principles usually depends on whether the technicality favors one’s own position or not. It’s sad, but it’s how things tend to work. In this case, the technicality works against someone potentially, but if the county party had tried unilaterally to remove him, that technicality would have worked to his benefit, say if he simply found himself unpopular with his county party for some reason.

    If SBC had chosen to revoke Barnes’ membership themselves, what would have happened? The answer is, absolutely nothing because they do not own his membership, not according to the state by-laws. The ONLY body that has the ability to rule on his membership within the state of CA is the state party itself.

    If the people of the CA party didn’t (or don’t) want the by-laws set up that way, they need to make the change themselves. But the state leadership cannot simply “suspend the by-laws.”

    If the county LP were to ignore the state LP and insist that they have the sole authority to define their membership, they’d be bucking the state by-laws and might well find themselves disaffiliated if the state leadership deemed that appropriate. More likely, they’d be shown the by-law in question and would relent.

  52. Gene Trosper Gene Trosper January 11, 2010

    @34 Show me a real election where we polled 13% and maybe I’ll reconsider.

    Bill Reed for Congress in 2000. 15.7% of the vote. I oughta know: I ran his campaign and worked my butt off for him.

  53. Gene Trosper Gene Trosper January 11, 2010

    While I am still technically an LP member (national — I let my LPCA membership lapse), I’d like to endorse Mike Seebeck for LNC. He has a good heart, is fair to everyone, is an outstanding defender of liberty and definitely a hard worker.

  54. Michael Seebeck Michael Seebeck January 13, 2010

    Thanks, Gene.

  55. Libervention Price Club Libervention Price Club January 13, 2010

    Here’s another regional seat announcement….

    http://scottmwilliamson.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/williamson-declares-for-regional-representative/

    Williamson Declares for Regional Representative

    With tax revolts springing up through the grassroots, medical marijuana initiatives sweeping the country, and a renewed commitment to ending Real ID, the Libertarian Party has an exciting future ahead. As the liberty message catches on, our party has a unique opportunity to grow and elect candidates nationwide. To harness this political energy to advance the drive for liberty in our country, we need new energy on the Libertarian National Committee.

    Last month, I contacted State Party leaders and grass roots activist. I said I was listening. What did you want to tell me? You told me ballot access, outreach, local campaigns, and activist training were at the top of your agenda. I’ve heard your message. I believe I can help set our party on the path that you asked for. I am excited to announce my candidacy for Regional Representative for the current region four.

    Our National Committee’s first responsibility is a fiduciary one. Committee members have a moral obligation to insure the party’s money is spent wisely. It is not only how much money you spend, but what you are spending the money to do. As a Regional Representative I will seek to change where the LNC spends our money. More of our money should be spent on the work of politics. A key issue is transparency, donors need to know where their money is spent.

    You can lose an election and win a campaign. In many states we gain ballot access if a candidate wins a percentage of the state wide vote. If we spent money in these states on statewide campaigns we could gain ballot access in that state. This could lead to spending less on ballot access in Presidential election years and free up more money for campaigns and for ballot access in those states where it is the hardest to gain ballot access.

    As your regional representative I will continue listen to what you have to say. By keeping in regular contact with state and local leaders and sharing your good work with the party as a whole, I will facilitate communications between the states in our region, so you can adopt what is working from other states and avoid things that are not working.

    The hard work of politics is done by those who volunteer their time and money. It is you the local activist who spreads the message of individual freedom and personal responsibility. It is you the local activist who digs deep into your own pockets to support candidates and issues. Our National committee should be helping you more. The National Committee should provide online, free, usable brochures, web page templates for our candidates, and training for people who want to run for office or campaign for an issue.

    As we continue to reach out to those at tax revolts, antiwar rallies, gun festivals, and audit the Fed groups we will expand our party membership. We need to harness the talent and experience we already have in our party and offer training to those who wish to join us in our fight for freedom.

    These are just a few ideas that will set us on the paths you advocated in your letters and phone calls last month. I am excited about the future of our party and have the energy to help lead the way. I look forward to continually hearing your ideas and working with you to bring about a libertarian society. Together we can change the country. I ask for your support and look forward to meeting you in Saint Louis, if not sooner.

    The current Region 4 includes Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. Scott Williamson is currently the S.T.A.R Representative of Outright Libertarians USA, Chair of Outright Libertarians Nashville and the Secretary for the Libertarian Party of Nashville and Davidson County. He is often a guest on Queer Talk Radio and Out and About TV political round table where he promotes the libertarian philosophy to the GLBT community. Scott holds a degree in Political Science and resides in Nashville, TN with his partner Brian Rhinehart. Scott Williamson can be contacted at scott.williamson01@comcast.net

  56. Brian Holtz Brian Holtz February 2, 2010

    I would like to know if Mr. Seebeck disagrees with anything in the following draft St. Louis Accord.

    The Party’s purpose is to implement and give voice to the Statement of Principles by uniting voters who want more personal and economic liberty behind the electoral choices that will most move public policy in a libertarian direction. The Party’s ultimate goal is to banish force initiation and fraud from human relationships. The Party does not claim to know how close our society can come to this ideal, but we are united in our conviction that governments must never add to the amount of aggression in the world. Principled libertarians can disagree about how best to reduce aggression or even about precisely what constitutes aggression, but we are united in defending the full rights of each person to his body, labor, peaceful production, and voluntary exchanges. Principled libertarians can disagree about whether every function of government can be performed by the free market, but we are united in opposing government’s growth beyond the protection of the rights of every individual to her life, liberty and property. Principled libertarians can disagree about how best we may each serve the cause of freedom, but we are determined to build a Party that welcomes and unites all those who want more personal and economic liberty. We defenders of freedom are too few, and the enemies of freedom are too many, for us to indulge in seeking heretics in our midst, rather than awakening allies across this freedom-loving land.

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