Virgil Goode apparently running for Constitution Party Presidential nomination

Daily Kos’s David Nir reports that former Rep. Virgil Goode of Virginia has created a Presidential campaign committee with the FEC. Here’s the FEC form. You’ll notice that Goode’s wife Lucy is serving as campaign treasurer (not unusual for a political race), and that Goode doesn’t yet have a website or an FEC number; presumably those will come later. Goode lists his party affiliation as “CON,” indicating that he will be running as a Constitution Party candidate.

This appears to be the first confirmation that Goode will in fact pursue the CP nomination. IPR reported in May that the CP’s National Committee had voted to urge Goode to seek its nomination. In November, IPR reported that Goode “sounded like a candidate” and that he was planning to announce his plans in January or February. To date, there has been no public statement from the Goode campaign outside of this FEC filing.

Goode will face former Savannah State football coach Robby Wells (IPR story) and several other candidates at the CP’s national convention in April.

42 thoughts on “Virgil Goode apparently running for Constitution Party Presidential nomination

  1. Jeremy C. Young

    I was pretty surprised when I saw it. Happy, though. Although I’m a bit concerned that Goode may not be planning to run a full-scale campaign (seriously, no website two months before the convention?).

  2. RedPhillips

    If he knew he was going to run, why would he not have declared earlier so he could start fund rasing, campaigning, etc. What is the benefit of delaying an announcement? So my question would be whether he is reluctant and is having to be coaxed into running. Does he expect significant resistance?

  3. bruuno

    Maybe the delay had something to do with the GOP race? Maybe waiting for the Ron Paul story to cool and his supporters to realize he couldn’t get nomination so Goode can make the news as a new candidate just when they start looking for a general election candidate?
    Just a theory. Could have absolutely nothing to do with it. Maybe it is as simple as he did have cold feet but was recently convinced by CPers.

  4. C James Madison

    Red, your first post is ironic in that a few days ago you were the one scaring me with references to “cold feet”. No hard feelings, I’m glad to hear the news. Regarding Bruuno’s post, my hunch is that Ron Paul (if he ran 3rd party) would not want to have his son hear for the next 25 years, “Your Dad cost us the 2012 election.” I like Ron Paul and hope he does well, but I very much hope that his supporters will see Mr. Goode as the best candidate among the D’s, R’s, and C’s.

  5. Steven Wilson

    I wanted to post some of the information about the other candidates running in this race. One of them is from Missouri. The link to Wells works for his site.

    http://heisingerenterprises.com/heisinger2012/heisinger2012.html

    http://mealer2012.com/

    http://www.madmaxforpresident.com

    http://www.laurieroth2012.com/

    http://www.billtuckerforpresident.com/

    I think the Missouri CP is one of your best state chapters. Virgil Goode is a excellent campaigner. I don’t feel the delay will cause him any harm. Once the primaries are over, the true contestants will get their time. Goode is much stronger than Baldwin.

  6. bruuno

    #6- I didn’t mean to imply that Goode was hoping for Paul’s endorsement, simply that he would wait until Paul’s followers realized he wouldn’t get the nomination and start looking elsewhere for the general election (assuming Paul doesn’t run 3rd Party himself)

  7. paulie

    I like Ron Paul and hope he does well, but I very much hope that his supporters will see Mr. Goode as the best candidate among the D’s, R’s, and C’s.

    Leaving out LP for some reason?

  8. Jeremy C. Young

    The reality, though, is that Goode isn’t running against Castle, he’s running against the odious Robby Wells (odious in a distinctly non-political way) and a bunch of also-rans. Laurie Roth might be a good candidate, maybe for Vice President. I’ve said before that I kind of like Mad Max, but he’s outclassed in this field. If the CP wants a candidate who can put them on the map, Goode is that guy. I think they realize that.

  9. paulie

    If the CP wants a candidate who can put them on the map, Goode is that guy. I think they realize that.

    Why would he be more likely to put them on the map than Bob Barr put the LP on the map in 2008, Cynthia McKinney put the Greens on the map that same year, or for that matter Ron Paul put the LP on the map in 1988?

  10. Darryl W. Perry

    In 1992 & 1996 the party was called the U.S. Taxpayers Party
    * 1992 – Howard Phillips and Albion Knight, Jr. – 43,369 votes.
    * 1996 – Howard Phillips and Herb Titus – 184,820 votes
    * 2000 – Howard Phillips and Curtis Frazier – 98,022 votes
    * 2004 – Michael Peroutka and Chuck Baldwin – 143,630 votes
    * 2008 – Chuck Baldwin and Darrell Castle – 199,750 votes

    It’s possible that the CP could break a quarter million votes this year. I think Baldwin or Castle would be a good candidate for the CP – and better than Goode.

  11. Jeremy C. Young

    Goode won’t be better than Barr, but he will be as good as Barr. Barr got over 500,000 votes. If the CP got 500,000 votes in 2012, it would be more than double what they’d ever gotten before. Baby steps. And he’ll be better than McKinney because McKinney had pissed off her base before she even ran.

    Baldwin is running for Lieutenant Governor of Montana as a Republican. The primary isn’t until June; there’s no way he can run here. Castle is the vice-chairman of the CP Executive Committee that voted last year to support Goode before he’d even announced. Castle isn’t running either. It’s Goode or Robby Wells, and I’d take even an anemic Goode in that race any day.

  12. Trent Hill

    Goode will be a better candidate, easily, than Baldwin. Not because Baldwin wasn’t ideologically appealing, but because he didn’t campaign much. Goode will do much more retail politics, methinks. Baldwin didn’t like the traveling and he didn’t like to fundraise. Goode has no problem with either.

    This could be an interesting year for third parties. A big name AE person, Gary Johnson, Roseanne Barr, and Virgil Goode. What a field.

    Goode has a website – http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/index.html

    I suspect he won’t be able to pick up the “Ron Paul Vote” to the same degree that Baldwin did, though. Him and Johnson will likely split it, with most going to Johnson.

  13. Trent Hill

    “Baldwin is running for Lieutenant Governor of Montana as a Republican. ”

    Not true. He quit that run–see previous IPR articles.

    I expect Castle will be VP again, perhaps. Unless Goode can attract a bigger name or a name with bigger money.

  14. Trent Hill

    The website is nice compared to any other CP candidate’s, but pretty awful for a general election site. Hopefully it improves.

    I could see Tancredo campaigning with Goode, or possibly even being convinced to run as VP. The latter would be a stretch. Truth is, Goode needs someone with a little wealth to spread around.

  15. bruuno

    #19- Roseanne has already said she won’t be the nominee. She doesn’t even want to be as she is shooting a pilot soon. She is doing to help the GP get publicity.

  16. C James Madison

    #8- I think we’re on the same page. I think that even if Ron Paul leading the delegate count on June 20th they (the R’s) would still find a way to nominate someone else.

  17. C James Madison

    Paulie- IMHO, America would be far better of economically and in many other ways with the LP and the CP as the parties with the most elected officials over all levels of government. Since the two major parties have so much in common (in a bad way), the CP’s nominee’s biggest competition for many constitutionally-driven (and fiscally-conservative) voters is the LP nominee…..

  18. paulie

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    The LP typically gets about that, so Goode would have to be a lot better than Barr to kick the CP up to that level, especially if he doesn’t figure out a way to get on the ballot in Texas, California and several other tough states.

  19. paulie

    And he’ll be better than McKinney because McKinney had pissed off her base before she even ran.

    How so?

    . It’s Goode or Robby Wells

    Why would we presume this early on there would not be additional candidates?

  20. paulie

    Goode will be a better candidate, easily, than Baldwin. Not because Baldwin wasn’t ideologically appealing, but because he didn’t campaign much. Goode will do much more retail politics, methinks. Baldwin didn’t like the traveling and he didn’t like to fundraise. Goode has no problem with either.

    I don’t know about fundraising, but Castle had no problem traveling and doing retail politics.

  21. paulie

    I could see Tancredo campaigning with Goode, or possibly even being convinced to run as VP.

    I thought Tancredo went back to the Republicans and accused alt parties of splitting the Republican vote subsequent to his CP run?

  22. Steven Wilson

    If Santorum gets the nomination and Goode gets the CP, they are too close to be significant. Brands must differentiate themselves to be considered a strong brand.

    Running them both would be redundant.

  23. NewFederalist

    “Running them both would be redundant.”

    Why? Is it because they both lost their last election? At least Goode has been elected as a D and an R and even an I. For a potential alternative party nominee that is quite impressive. Santorum was totally crushed in his bid for a third term in the Senate. After the beating he took I would have thought he would have to give blow jobs in the restroom of the Amtrak station just to get his self respect back!

  24. Jeremy C. Young

    Paulie @26, yes, the LP typically gets 400k-500k votes, because the LP traditionally runs really good candidates who are either former elected officials (Barr, Paul), excellent fundraisers (Browne, Clark), or energetic campaigners (Badnarik). The CP has never had a candidate of that stature, so Goode would be a significant upgrade for them.

    I anticipate there wouldn’t be additional CP candidates “this early” because we are only two months out from the convention. It’s actually surprising that Goode and Wells waited until this late to announce, although Wells was already running in another party before that. I’m unaware of anyone in the CP who doesn’t like Goode, except maybe Ed Noonan (who’s already running against him). Why would there be any more candidates at this stage? Do you expect more entrants into the LP race?

  25. Ryan Brennan

    Ballot Access News reported today that the Washington Post has covered the news about Virgil Goode, with the article, “Ex-congressman Virgil Goode eyes presidential bid”.

    See here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/ex-congressman-virgil-goode-eyes-presidential-bid/2012/02/16/gIQAPOsOIR_blog.html

    BAN also says that, “The Post correctly speculates that Goode will seek the Constitution Party nomination. He is expected to formally announce his candidacy in a week.”

    @ 18, here is the IPR article about Baldwin not running for Lieutenant Governor anymore in Montana:

    Chuck Baldwin to Leave Gubernatorial Ticket in Montana
    https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/02/chuck-baldwin-to-leave-gubernatorial-ticket-in-montana/

  26. RedPhillips

    One of the three issues on the front page of Goode’s website is saving Social Security. That’s going to cause problems with many constitutionalists.

    He has officially announced that he is going to announce (or something like that). I’ll get the notice up when I’m at a different computer.

  27. Trent Hill

    Red–technically his issue is making sure Social Security pays out to the seniors it has agreed to pay money to–a position Paul often cites.

    Paulie–Castle is energetic, true, but won’t run against Goode.

  28. RedPhillips

    Trent, do you really think he gets it at that level? I suspect he will need a lot of coaching to avoid land mines. He is not native, for lack of a better term, to these parts.

  29. paulie

    the LP typically gets 400k-500k votes, because the LP traditionally runs really good candidates who are either former elected officials (Barr, Paul), excellent fundraisers (Browne, Clark), or energetic campaigners (Badnarik). The CP has never had a candidate of that stature, so Goode would be a significant upgrade for them.

    I think there’s a lot more to it than that. Many of the LP’s votes are based not on what any individual candidate or campaign does, but on the cumulative impact of what all past LP campaigns have done, the cumulative impact of LP brand-building over the last four decades, and the superior ballot access that the LP typically has compared to the CP. Even a lackluster LP campaign like Bergland’s in 1984, with a party in disarray that year, had a better baseline to build off of than the CP does and managed 228 thousand votes (0.3%), which would be very good for the CP.

    In other words, a CP candidate has to work a lot harder and be much more successful to get numbers that are standard or even substandard for the LP.

    I anticipate there wouldn’t be additional CP candidates “this early” because we are only two months out from the convention.

    While you may be right, consider that several of the leading contenders for the Libertarian nomination in 2008 announced very late; in 2004, the winner of the LP nomination had been a distant third prior to the convention; and in 1984, the nominee was a last-minute replacement for the candidate that was considered a shoo-in until he withdrew. I don’t think the CP has had anything like that happen yet, although I don’t know how far out Peroutka or Baldwin announced, but something like that could happen with them.

    Do you expect more entrants into the LP race?

    Possibly. Jesse Ventura has made rumblings about running. He’s done that before with other parties and not followed through, but maybe he’ll actually do it this time, if he remembers to get back to the US a few weeks earlier this year.

    There is an outside chance Ron Paul could run LP again, although I don’t think he will. He could walk into the convention with no prior announcement and take it right then and there, almost certainly on the first ballot with plenty of votes to spare.

    Ventura may or may not be able to win if he doesn’t announce before the convention, but I don’t think it would be an overwhelming win even if he does win.

  30. paulie

    I suspect he will need a lot of coaching to avoid land mines. He is not native, for lack of a better term, to these parts.

    If the entire NatCom is really behind Goode, he will probably have all the coaching he needs, provided he actually listens.

  31. 24/7 the T-Rex of Talk Radio

    Baldwin/Castle ’08 got 199K + votes without CA & TX access on less than $300K in Baldwins coffers. In hindsight they did a remarkable job (with RP’s endorsement of course).

    From my reading of Goode’s website he is only planning to accept $200 max donations. A HUGE mistake as a TP candidate. Not a large enough pool of $200 people to raise big enough bucks to compete. Travel/lodging alone has at least tripled in less than a decade. He or any TP candidate must take advantage of the $2,500 donor when possible to even play a minor role in this BILLION dollar game.

    The planks he is pushing seems more congressional to me. As a POTUS candidate you can be bold and have bigger plans and golds than just trying to rep VA-9 or whatever the # was.

    A firebrand populist could catch fire in these tough times. It will just be tough to be heard by limiting your already limited Party (by members) to $200 maximum donations. Yeap, hard to catch fire and sweep across anywhere without the winds of ca$h within your sails to even get you to the next speaking engagement !

    This is the man for you who don’t know anything about the man – Constitution Party Speaker – Virgil Goode -: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOTtHAMOdK0&feature=related

  32. Trent Hill

    @36,

    “Trent, do you really think he gets it at that level? I suspect he will need a lot of coaching to avoid land mines. He is not native, for lack of a better term, to these parts.”

    He’ll get coaching. I suspect from the most insiders of insiders.

  33. Trent Hill

    “If the entire NatCom is really behind Goode, he will probably have all the coaching he needs, provided he actually listens.”

    I don’t know if he has the entire NatCom–but he has the power players.

  34. NewFederalist

    Geez, give it a rest Free Speech. It wasn’t funny the first time you posted it and it’s not getting any better with repetition.

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