Might the Constitution Party Attract a “Big Name” Candidate for 2016?

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Via Red Phillips:

Here is an Independent Political Report post on 3 minor party candidates, including one CP candidate? I am not familiar with the CP candidate, and his candidacy appears to be Quixotic in nature. That’s not the interesting part of the article. Of interest is this comment by Trent Hill, who teases us that a “big name” candidate that the CP has been courting my be about to make the move. I know Trent Hill. If he says he has inside intel, he has inside intel. It’s not a done deal, but it’s possible. There is some speculation about who it might be below Trent’s comment. Any guesses? Keep in mind that “big name” is by CP standards.

The comment from Trent is that the unnamed potential candidate is someone “they’ve been flirting with for a couple years now.”

Subsequent comments from Trent eliminated the following guesses:

Mike Huckabee

Satan

Tom Tancredo

Roy Moore

Joe Arpaio

Alan Keyes

John Hostettler (Trent said this was a “really good guess,” perhaps implying that the person in question is a former member of Congress)

Ken Cross

Ben Carson

Dick Armey

Pat Buchanan

Glenn Beck

Alex Jones

Ron Paul

Michele Bachmann

Jim DeMint

Sarah Palin

Rick Santorum

Some other guesses were thrown out in the prior thread, but Trent has not responded there again yet.

Add your guesses in this thread or the prior one.

76 thoughts on “Might the Constitution Party Attract a “Big Name” Candidate for 2016?

  1. bruuno

    Of these possibilities the only ones I see as both attention getting and possible are Arpaio and Tancredo. It is a long way off though so who knows.

  2. Andy

    If they do attract a big name candidate, who can bring in a lot of money, I wonder if they will pay the petition circulators who got ripped off on Constitution Party petition drive in 2012?

  3. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt

    January 8, 2015 at 12:48 am

    Chuck Baldwin? Jesse Ventura?

    Jesse Benton?”

    Chuck Baldwin has already run for office as a Constitution Party candidate, and does not qualify as a big name.

    Jesse Ventura already came out as pro-choice on abortion, so there’s no way I could see him running as a Constitution Party candidate, being that the Constitution Party is hardline anti-abortion.

    Jesse Benton is not a big name.

  4. Trent Hill

    Don’t get ahead of yourself William. That’d be a huge get for the CP, but its not in the cards, I don’t think.

  5. Gene Berkman

    Barry Goldwater Jr is pro-choice, opposes the anti-immigrant campaign of the Arizona Republicans -he wrote a column in a major Arizona daily on the issue, and he is a member of the Advisory Board of Our American Initiative.

    Barry Goldwater Jr was elected to Congress in a special election in 1969 from Burbank, California. I did not live in the district, but I drove to LA and walked two precincts for his campaign, when I was on my way to an antiwar meeting in Los Angeles. Everybody I talked to said they were voting for Goldwater! Quite a treat after 1964.

  6. Gene Berkman

    If you are thinking of former Congressman Steve Stockman, (Rep-TX) well he is fringey enough, but he is not a big name. He did vote for Ron Paul in 1988, and he may have voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008, and he has supported some very conservative measures, up until he failed to show up to vote for them. And he apparently stopped campaigning for US Senate long before the Republican primary last year.

  7. Ariostos

    If John Hostettler is considered close to the kind of candidate being discussed, then maybe former Representative Allen West? He’s maintained a respectable profile since leaving Congress and fulfills much of the criteria. Joe Scarborough is a bit of a more wild guess but fits a similar profile, having maintained a profile and being a former Representative.

  8. Darryl W. Perry

    Bob Smith, the Republican from NH? I don’t see him running as a member of a minor party, he’s trying to “take back” the GOP, whatever that means.
    I could actually see Roy Moore temporarily leaving the GOP to make a run, but only if it appears the GOP won’t have someone he deems to be a good enough candidate.
    I don’t think Alex Jones is a “big name” to most people, also I don’t see him (or Glenn Beck) giving up his radio show to make a run.

  9. Jed Ziggler

    “If you are thinking of former Congressman Steve Stockman, (Rep-TX) well he is fringey enough, but he is not a big name.”

    He’d be a big name by CP standards.

    I was thinking about this last night. My best guesses are:

    Bob Barr
    Ken Cuccinelli
    Denny Rehberg
    Steve Stockman
    Allen West

  10. bruuno

    Stockman might be willing to do it. He has burned a lot of bridges with the GOP so he may figure he has little to lose. Certainly not a ‘big’ name but a bigger name than a lot of folks who have been mentioned and as you said a big name by CP standards. I believe there is a investigation going on for campaign finance violations (rumors say they may be more serious than most) though.

  11. langa

    Bob Barr
    Ken Cuccinelli
    Denny Rehberg
    Steve Stockman
    Allen West

    These are good guesses, although I doubt that it’s Barr (I think he’s done with third party politics) or Rehberg (I’m something of a political junkie, and I’ve never heard of him, so I don’t think he counts as a “big name” even by minor party standards).

    I think Cuccinelli is the most likely (his views seem very much in line with the CP’s), but either Stockman or West are certainly possible (of the two, I think West is certainly the bigger name, but also less likely to seek the CP’s nomination).

  12. paulie Post author

    Of these possibilities the only ones I see as both attention getting and possible are Arpaio and Tancredo. It is a long way off though so who knows.

    Already ruled out by Trent. See the article.

  13. paulie Post author

    If they do attract a big name candidate, who can bring in a lot of money, I wonder if they will pay the petition circulators who got ripped off on Constitution Party petition drive in 2012?

    Fat chance.

  14. paulie Post author

    If it’s not Bob Smith then I just don’t know.

    Trent subsequently ruled out Bob Smith, Bob Dornan and Jerome Corsi. I will have to check back in the other thread to see if he has ruled out any other guesses, but right now I am guessing Barry Goldwater Jr. He would fit the stated criteria (someone the CP has been flirting with for a couple of years) and Trent has said “good guess” or “very good guess” several times about ex-Congressmen, so that leads me to believe it’s an ex-Congressman.

  15. paulie Post author

    Regarding Goldwater:

    Don’t get ahead of yourself William. That’d be a huge get for the CP, but its not in the cards, I don’t think.

    I should have read the rest of this thread first. OK, I give up.

  16. paulie Post author

    If you are thinking of former Congressman Steve Stockman, (Rep-TX) well he is fringey enough, but he is not a big name.

    Hmmm, hadn’t thought of Stockman. I think they would consider him a big name.

  17. paulie Post author

    Bob Smith, the Republican from NH? I don’t see him running as a member of a minor party, he’s trying to “take back” the GOP, whatever that means.
    I could actually see Roy Moore temporarily leaving the GOP to make a run, but only if it appears the GOP won’t have someone he deems to be a good enough candidate.
    I don’t think Alex Jones is a “big name” to most people, also I don’t see him (or Glenn Beck) giving up his radio show to make a run.

    All of these were ruled out already.

  18. paulie Post author

    Bob Barr
    Ken Cuccinelli
    Denny Rehberg
    Steve Stockman
    Allen West

    I think Stockman is the only one of these the CP has been “flirting” with, as far as I know.

  19. paulie Post author

    How about Newt?

    I don’t see it happening. He still has NSGOP aspirations, and I am not aware of any “flirting” with the CP. Stockman sounds much more likely.

  20. paulie Post author

    How about Sarah Palin’s husband? Wasn’t he a member of the AIP of Alaska?

    I believe Todd Palin said he checked the wrong box by mistake. But he is a “big name,” and might get them back on in CA since Seidenberg likes him…if he agreed to do it, which I doubt.

  21. johno

    How about some of those R’s that didn’t vote for Boehner for Speaker? The R establishment will throw them into the darkness for sure.

  22. Gene Berkman

    No incumbent member of Congress will go for the Constitution Party nomination. Ken Cuccinelli came too close to being elected Governor as a Republican to give up his chances as a Republican candidate in the future. Also, Cuccinelli’s supporters are probably still upset about a loss they attribute to the Libertarian candidate, so he would not want to be seen as a spoiler.

  23. Gene Berkman

    Actually, Allen West sounds like a good possibility. He gets covered in the “conservative” online media regularly, and he is pretty fringey, and has little prospect of being elected to anything again. So if the rumor is true, either Allen West or Steve Stockman would be my guess.

  24. paulie Post author

    I’m not aware of the CP “flirting” with West for the last few years though. Have they?

    Stockman, I believe I have heard they have, which leads me to think it is him.

  25. bruuno

    I suspect you are right paulie. However, considering Stockman’s Senate campaign appears to have been nothing but a giant, pathetic grift then maybe the CP should reconsider.

  26. paulie Post author

    Maybe, but they wouldn’t. At least not unless Stockman does – he’s known to change his mind too – or unless he is indicted.

  27. Jed Ziggler

    “I’m not aware of the CP ‘flirting’ with West for the last few years though. Have they?”

    I’ve started to think that it may have been someone they were in contact with behind the scenes, and few were aware of it. That could have been the case with West, or several other people.

  28. Martin Passoli

    How is Stockman on that?

    I don’t think Virgil Goode is much of a non-interventionist incidentally …am I wrong?

  29. Martin Passoli

    I did a bit of research on Stockman. He seems to have a bit of a mixed/no-show record on foreign policy. Doesn’t seem to be his top priority as far as I can tell. He’s clearly very socially and fiscally conservative even for a Republican. He also tried to run as an independent once but did not get enough signatures.

  30. Rob Banks

    If it’s Steve Stockman, how is he any more of a big name than Virgil Goode? Goode was in congress a lot longer and both made a small splash on the national scene, but neither one is exactly a household name with people who are not political junkies and/or from their district.

  31. Rob Banks

    Stockman doesn’t sound like he has a lot of money either. According to his wikipedia page, in between his stints in congress he went broke taking care of his father who had Altzheimer’s. The jobs he has had outside of politics were independent computer salesman and Leadership Institute lecturer. He only served two terms in the US House. I am going to guess he is probably not a millionaire, unlike Goode, who is a millionaire several times over…yet still managed to screw up ballot access and fall short of the 50% of electoral votes threshold, as well as short of one tenth of 1% of the popular vote. Is there any rational basis to expect Stockman would do better? If so, what is it?

  32. Andy

    Rob Banks: “unlike Goode, who is a millionaire several times over…”

    According to what I read online, Virgil Goode’s financial disclosure statement he filed prior to running for President indicated that he has a net worth of $4 million.

  33. Martin Passoli

    Does the lack of denial from Trent mean it’s Stockman, or has Trent just been too busy to get back here?

  34. Peter Gemma

    I don’t even know where to begin – I assume almost all these names are tongue in cheek. Some are obviously sticking out tongues. There are several people interested in the nomination, some more than others. All are in need of vetting. I can give you an inside tip: it won’t be Alan West – he was booed from the stage the last time he tried to muscle his way in. And Trent has been scratched off the VP list, in permanent ink, for bringing this up.

  35. AndyCraig

    @Rob Banks “If it’s Steve Stockman, how is he any more of a big name than Virgil Goode?”

    Exactly what I was thinking.

  36. Jill Pyeatt

    Peter said:”it won’t be Alan West – he was booed from the stage the last time he tried to muscle his way in.”

    I wouls be interested in hearing more about this incident.

  37. Joshua Katz

    I’m still going with Hulk Hogan. Or maybe Superstar Billy Graham, who is not only a wrestler, but also an evangelical Christian.

  38. paulie Post author

    If the LP nominates Jesse Ventura, it would be interesting to see the CP run Hulk Hogan. They have a legendary rivalry that goes back decades, and could get a lot of publicity by going around the country staging debate/wrestling matches and putting them on TV and youtube or maybe even pay per view. Of course, I don’t think the LP would run Ventura, or that he will run at all, but you never know.

  39. Cody Quirk

    Lol, that’ll never happen Paulie- the Hulkster isn’t fundamentalist enough for the CP.

  40. paulie Post author

    Peter said:”it won’t be Alan West – he was booed from the stage the last time he tried to muscle his way in.”

    I woul[d] be interested in hearing more about this incident.

    Me too!

  41. Joshua Katz

    Hulk Hogan’s religion and politics have changed over the years. He was once a staunch conservative and fundamentalist Christian. His religion has gradually loosened, seemingly as his lot in life declined. Politically, he started leaning libertarian after the decline of Hulkamania (mid-late 1990s), then endorsed Obama, then renounced his endorsement after 2 years of Obama. I think he’s leaning in the libertarian direction again at the moment.

    It should be noted that Hogan and Ventura both essentially copied their gimmicks from Superstar Billy Graham, who is a far-right fundamental Christian. He originated the California-style bodybuilder gimmick. Ventura copied it with some success, but made it far more flamboyant. Hogan took elements from both – then Hogan was fired for making Rocky III and returned a couple years later. He continued his original gimmick with a huge twist that neither Graham or Ventura had tried – he used it as a face, not heel. Seeing how successful this was, there was also an attempt to turn Graham face, which essentially ruined Graham’s career, leading to his firing and denial of agreed-upon benefits, which made him angry enough that a few decades later he testified at the steroid trials. When he returned as a face, he was promised health care in perpetuity due to the injuries he was suffering from abuse in the ring and from steroid abuse. So it was very natural that Ventura and Hogan would be basic enemies.

    Ventura’s commentary, by the way, is fascinated to listen to a few decades later. Yes, it’s full of approval of underhanded tactics, but he’s at his best when criticizing faces like Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Hulk Hogan, whose gimmicks include (in the former case, are nothing but) uninformed, uncritical patriotism. He basically used the commentator’s table, especially with Duggan, to warn of the dangers of nationalism. It was hard to see at the time, but seeing his anti-war activism later it makes sense.

    Hogan spent a lot of time (kayfabe) supporting US foreign policy. When the Iraq war broke out, Hogan was portrayed as considering joining the military, only to decide his real mission in life was defeated Sgt. Slaughter for the title (Slaughter had made a heel turn by becoming an Iraqi sympathizer) and doing USO work.

  42. paulie Post author

    Many current and former TV rasslers could make interesting political candidates…maybe we should hire a few 🙂

  43. Andy

    Kane, aka-Glenn Jacobs, would make an excellent candidate for office, because in addition to having fame and charisma, he is also very well informed, and is philosophically a hardcore libertarian. He’s a great spokesman for liberty.

  44. Jed Ziggler

    Ken Anderson, who has wrestled in WWE as Mr. Kennedy & in TNA as Mr. Anderson, is also a libertarian. Val Venis is a quite outspoken Canadian libertarian.

  45. Rob Banks

    Kane has talked about running for office a few times but has yet to follow thru. Maybe he needs to see the money.

  46. Andy

    Kane has said he is not interested in running, but also that he would not rule it out for the future.

  47. Martin Passoli

    That may mean he needs to see more substantial support. Candidates put in a lot of time, so they like to see other people commit time and money if they are going to run.

  48. langa

    I had no idea there were so many wrestling fans around here. I haven’t watched it much in ages, but back when I was a kid, there was a period of a few years (in the mid-to-late ’80s) when I pretty much ate, breathed and slept wrestling. I watched every second of it on TV, bought every wrestling magazine and action figure I could find, begged my parents to take me to live matches, etc. Interestingly, my interest in wrestling began to fade around the same time that I started to take a serious interest in politics.

  49. Peter Gemma

    Northstar: ” It became clear that Constitution Party members didn’t want him.” Reason magazine: “CP founder Howard Phillips strongly denounced [Alan] Keyes as a warmonger, neocon, and egomaniac.” Keyes bused in 100 delegates and rec’d 125 votes. Politics 1: “The Constitution Party overwhelmingly rejected former Ambassador and frequent GOP candidate Alan Keyes’ bid for their Presidential nomination on Saturday. Baptist pastor and local radio talk show host Chuck Baldwin of Florida — the party’s 2004 VP nominee — easily defeated Keyes by a delegate vote of 383.8 (74%) to 125.7 (24%). Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips — the party’s 1992, 1996 and 2000 Presidential nominee — used his Friday speech at the conservative party’s Presidential nominating convention to savagely blast former UNESCO Ambassador Alan Keyes. Keyes, who bolted to the CP recently after having made six failed runs for office as a Republican, is one of the two leading candidates for the CP nomination. Phillips attacked Keyes as an “ego-driven” candidate, an opportunist, and a “neo-con” who doesn’t share the party’s views on the Iraq War, the United Nations, foreign aid, and other international policies. He also said that Keyes’ frequent attacks on libertarian Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) proved Keyes was out of step with the CP’s views. Phillips then urged the delegates to nominate pastor and Religious Right radio talk show host Chuck Baldwin for President … Politics 1. Keyes parting shots were met with with “sore loser” etc.

  50. paulie Post author

    langa

    I had an early interest in politics, and watch TV rassling on and off as entertainment, both since the early 1980s. I’ve never been as heavily into rassling as I was/am into politics, though. I was also entertained by my blue collar room mates in Ohio (just before I moved to Alabama) and their family members who all took TV rassling very seriously and were fighting mad offended at any suggestion it was fixed. Still laughing/smh as I think back on it.

  51. Peter Gemma

    Paulie – I AM MIXING UP KEYES AND WEST! I’m very sorry I wrote that while playing solitaire on my other computer! You have my permission to beat me about the head and shoulders with Keyes for President bumper stickers.

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