The Libertarian Party of Florida’s Executive Committee approved a motion over the weekend calling for the Libertarian National Committee to investigate allegations concerning the validity of votes cast for the presidential ticket during the party’s recent national convention.
The resolution, first shared via X on Sunday, urges the LNC to investigate claims that the presidential and vice-presidential nominations at the party’s recent national convention may have been compromised by ineligible votes. While the party states that it remains committed to supporting its 2024 presidential ticket and will place it on the ballot, the resolution highlights concerns about potential legal and fiduciary consequences if the allegations prove true. The Libertarian Party of Florida seeks clarity on its legal obligations to place the ticket on the ballot while these allegations and the validity of the ticket are being addressed.
The resolution also references a memorandum from June 10, 2024, which was put together by unnamed individuals identifying themselves as 2024 Libertarian National Convention delegates and detailing the actual allegations.
The memo mentions how a significant number of delegates from Michigan, Oklahoma, Washington, Ohio, and Missouri were allegedly added without proper authorization, potentially altering the outcomes of several races. Specifically, the inclusion of these ineligible delegates might have skewed the results for the presidential and vice-presidential nominations, as well as the party officer elections for vice-chair and secretary. The memorandum ends with a call for the LNC to investigate and potentially remedy the situation by suspending and reappointing the affected candidates, or through legal action if necessary.
The secretary of the Libertarian Party of Florida shared the full language of the resolution immediately following the meeting, confirming that it was adopted. The full motion can be read below:
Title: Motion Calling on LNC to Investigate Nomination Allegations
Mover: Hector Roos, Representative Region 14Motion: The Libertarian Party of Florida moves to approve the resolution below calling for the Libertarian National Committee to review allegations that convention elections are invalid due to the inclusion of a sufficient number of ineligible votes that affected the outcome for elections for both the Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees. The resolution is to be transmitted immediately to the LNC Chair for consideration.
Whereas, the Libertarian Party of Florida recognizes it has legal and fiduciary obligations to place the presidential ticket of Chase Oliver and Mike ter Maat on the Florida ballot that was elected at the Libertarian National Convention; and
Whereas, the Libertarian Party of Florida has received information in the attached memorandum that includes well-supported alleges that convention elections are possibly invalid due to the inclusion of a sufficient number of ineligible votes affecting the outcome of elections for both the Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees; and
Whereas, the Libertarian Party of Florida is uncertain as to its legal rights to place on the Florida ballot the name of candidates who may not be the qualified nominees selected at the Libertarian National Convention; and
Therefore be it,Resolved, on this day, that the Libertarian Party of Florida and its Executive Committee members call for the Libertarian National Committee to immediate investigate the allegations set forth; and
Resolved, the Libertarian Party of Florida remains committed to placing the presidential ticket of Chase Oliver and Mike ter Maat on the Florida ballot.Rationale: The attached memorandum alleges a series of continuous breaches of the Libertarian Party bylaws in the form of improper motions allowing a sufficient number of ineligible delegates to vote in the national convention elections. If true, without the votes of these alleged ineligible delegates, the outcome of elections for both the Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees would be different. Accordingly, the Libertarian Party at a national and state level could be sued to challenge these results in court. Any actions taken that violate our party bylaws are voidable, regardless if they are committed by a committee or the convention delegates.
According to the Florida Division of Elections, per section 103.021(4)(a), Florida Statutes, the deadline to submit a list of presidential electors for the candidate nominee is “no later than 5 p.m. on August 24 of the year in which the general election is held.”
Motion shared on 6/16/2024
The attempted delegate purge was bullshit when Caryn Ann first come up with it, bullshit when Angela pretended it had any validity, and it’s bullshit now for Florida to continue pushing the bullshit lie that anybody could possibly have any legitimate standing to sue the party or challenge ballot access over it. That’s not a thing, it’s never been a thing, and Richard Winger has repeatedly confirmed it is not a thing. But they don’t care because they’re liars.
Hi Hector,
It’s MG here in Pinellas. I’m the originator and last surviving founder of the LPF, which as the FLP begun in 1969 predated the USLP. Our first victory was creating Florida Direct Democracy, we’ve put in a lot so I classify Florida as the only libertarian-direction state which the USLP should be focusing on making happen in every state–direct democracy, then vote-in or threaten-in election/ballot fairness, minimal tax and more localism/privatization (homestead exemption, no income tax, homeschooling ease, balanced budget, etc. and open records… (This is called D.E.M.O. )…I’m retired to handle my health work on my writings and spread the wisdom, and please receive my best wishes on your good work.
Chase Oliver is a great candidate who fulfils many strategic purposes I would not wish disturbed. That said, if Florida LP/Chase lends a ballot line to RFK Jr. that could be helpful, especially if followed up by a drive to get local people elected or appointed to office (The LP current best practice is 30 offices with LP members per million population) and some initiatives (I suggest expanding the homestead exemption to the median home value plus COLA, and preserving condominium autonomy and college autonomy as libertarian-founded New College from current legislative assaults. There’re several libertarian-friendly on the current ballot, though). Carefully study the ballot requirements though–indeed, LPF may need to do a review of the poison pills against it that have been quietly inserted the last 2 decades and take action–also, I understand that the Florida Reforms are lending a ballot line already. In which case asking RFK Jr about saying some nice things about Chase/LPF local candidates and the LPF wouldn’t hurt.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification. There’s work to do!
–MG
With all the speculation going around I’d like to set the record straight as the mover of this resolution.
I would like to confirm that under no circumstances is LP Florida “challenging” the results of the convention nomination. The resolution is clear that the board is committed to placing the Oliver/ter Maat ticket on the ballot. Rather there is doubt as to whether the LNC is protecting state affiliates and their ballot access that a request is made of them to review their process and procedures were performed correctly and if not to provide us a solution.
On a personal note, everyone knows that there were substantial number of disputed delegates discussed during the approval of the initial credentials report on Friday morning of the first day of convention. Clearly, the bylaws can’t keep up with the demand to seat delegates and have to be reformed. On the upside, this is a sign of growth. But on the downside, people are willfully breaking the rules to participate.
The original resolution is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1knD2zqRXwHr9vEtXl4VYpXxRHBHOGYULo8aGpa2s7ug/edit?usp=sharing
The attached memo is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vc0qkbxa9q22p387xxjiw/MEMO-Ineligible-LP-Delegates.pdf?rlkey=l8a8zbm9meqkwsvxt1mrx2knq&st=esm1b6h8&dl=0
I guess the leader of the Florida LP left out the claim that Dominion voting machines were switching votes from Michael Rectenwald to Chase Oliver.
Ryan posted:
“Convention took a vote and allowed them in. The Convention participants as elected at the time are the judge of the credentials report and amending it.”
Exactly so.
“a significant number of delegates from Michigan, Oklahoma, Washington, Ohio, and Missouri were allegedly added without proper authorization, potentially altering the outcomes of several races”
Never mind the divisive certification of delegates throughout the course of the convention – and the insanity of letting the delegates in questions themselves vote on whether or not they had been seated – let’s talk about all the non-delegates who were participating in voice votes and visual standing votes…
The article should also point out Mr. Hector Roos was the contact listed on the May 3rd letter sent to the Kennedy campaign wanting to draft him for the Libertarian presidential nomination and he had an email address at Libertarians for Kennedy.
Convention took a vote and allowed them in. The Convention participants as elected at the time are the judge of the credentials report and amending it. This is reaching.
They also belie their purposes when these extra delegates would have affected every vote – since voting records of delegates are not kept, these delegates would have altered the result of every single vote at the Convention (Chair, Treasurer, National Committee At-Large). You can’t on one hand argue post-fact these delegates were ineligible and then state “some elections were valid but others were not”. It would make all elections invalid if your opinion carries the day.