Green Party issues press release to support Libertarian Joe Kennedy’s right to debate

Hat/tip to: Wicked Local

From a press release at the Massachusetts Green-Rainbow Party web-site. The press release was dated December 17, 2009. It appears from this article, that as of December 18, 2009, the candidates have agreed on including Joe Kennedy in the debates.

Voters Deserve Open Senate Debates Says Green-Rainbow Party
December 17, 2009

Including independent candidate Joseph L. Kennedy in the upcoming Senate election debates is important, according to Green-Rainbow Party Green-Rainbow Co-chair Michael Horan. “Voters deserve to hear more voices, not fewer. After all, the largest voting bloc in the state are the independents who have declined to join either the Democratic or Republican parties. They account for about half of the state’s registered voters. Why should we force these voters to listen to only to a Democrat and a Republican?”

Horan added “Voters also need to see if the major party candidates can defend their positions against others with quite different points of view. Seeing how they face up to an independent candidate gives voters a better sense of how they will perform in the Senate.”

Jill Stein, who was excluded from all but two debates when she ran for governor in 2002 was understandably sympathetic to Kennedy. “All too often the two big party candidates practice triangulation – which means they move as close to each other as possible so that they don’t give up any votes in the middle ground. This results in boring debates that take place within a very narrow part of the political spectrum. Such debates avoid issues which neither party wants to talk about. And some of those suppressed issues are important – such as whether Beacon Hill politicians are collecting too much money from special interests.”

After being excluded from debates in 2002, Stein and independent candidate Barbara Johnson filed a lawsuit against the Boston Globe and other debate sponsors charging that holding debates exclusively for the Democratic and Republican candidates amounted to an illegal in-kind campaign contribution to those parties. While this lawsuit failed to open up the debates, it led several debate sponsors to promise to be more inclusive in the future.

Horan was not surprised that the Boston Globe endorsed exclusionary debates in an editorial. “It’s consistent with their newsroom practice, which often imposes an effective blackout on coverage of any candidates other than those of the two major parties. After focusing for weeks on the petty spats between major party candidates, we then see articles lamenting the fact that the voters aren’t excited about the choices before them.”

Stein added “Polls have shown that even when a candidate is well behind the frontrunners, voters want to see them in the debates and hear what they have to say. Voters shouldn’t have the choice of who they can hear made for them by the news media or by politicians trying to eliminate their competition. Debate is the corner stone of a healthy democracy. Let’s open them up and keep them open.”

Green-Rainbow Party
PO Box 470558
Brookline, MA 02147
Tel. (617) 418-3756
office@green-rainbow.org
www.green-rainbow.org

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List of previous IPR coverage as collected by Paulie Cannoli:

Martha Coakley, Scott Brown, Joseph Kennedy agree to series of debates in race for Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat

Rich Rubino at Politics DMZ: ‘Yes, Joe Kennedy can win the Massachusetts U.S. Senate Race’

Boston Globe: ‘This Kennedy wants to cut government’

Libertarian Independent Joe Kennedy endorsed by Arkady at Right Condition, interviewed by KennedySeat.com Posted by Paulie, 12/17

Independent Libertarian Joe Kennedy invited to at least some of the debates in Massachusetts special US Senate election Posted by Paulie, 12/17

Other alternative parties comment on Massachusetts debate issue Posted by Paulie, 12/17

Ballot Access News: Springfield, Massachusetts Newspaper Opposes Inclusive U.S. Senate Debate Posted by Paulie, 12/17

MA Special Election: the Debate on the Debates, Herald vs. Globe Posted by d.eris, 12/17

Libertarian Party blog: TV coverage of Libertarian debate battle in Massachusetts Posted by Paulie, 12/16

Examiner.com: ‘Let libertarian Kennedy debate’ Posted by Paulie, 12/16

Independent Libertarian Massachusetts US Senate candidate Joe Kennedy: ‘I Fully Support HR 4248, The Free Competition in Currency Act’ Posted by Paulie, 12/16

Boston Globe lobbies against 3-candidate debate Posted by Kimberly Wilder, 12/16

Massachusetts Special Election: the Debate on the Debates Posted by Paulie, 12/15

Libertarian Joe Kennedy: Democrats and Republicans are Two Sides of the Same Coin Posted by Paulie, 12/14

Boston Globe: Democratic candidate Martha Coakley wants Joe Kennedy included in Massachusetts US Senate debate Posted by Paulie, 12/11

Examiner Interviews Joe Kennedy Posted by d.eris, 12/10

USA Today: ‘A Kennedy seeks the Mass. Senate seat’ Posted by Paulie, 12/10

Joe Kennedy makes ballot in Massachusetts Posted by Paulie, 12/05

Joe Kennedy: Preventive Services Task Force Statement Posted by Paulie, 11/23

Libertarian Party Highlights Joe Kennedy’s Massachussetts Senate Campaign Posted by Brian Holtz, 11/16

Meet Joe Kennedy Posted by Paulie, 10/27

Boston Herald covers Joe Kennedy Senate campaign
Posted by Peter Orvetti, 9/27

The Washington Independent: Joe Kennedy for Senate! No, Not That One Posted by Paulie, 9/21

Joe Kennedy declares for US Senate in Massachusetts Posted by Paulie, 9/19

Independent Libertarian Joe Kennedy running for Senate in Massachusetts Posted by Paulie, 9/06

60 thoughts on “Green Party issues press release to support Libertarian Joe Kennedy’s right to debate

  1. Michael H. Wilson

    Thanks to the Green-Rainbow folks for this. While we may disagree on some things, it helps to stick together on others.

    While I am far away from my home state of Massachusetts I want to see the voters there have a choice. I also want to see the Rs & Ds explain why we have to keep some many troops spread around the world at the expense of the American workers.

  2. Eric Dondero

    Wow, Fascists supporting a Libertarian. Do we really want support for our Libertarian candidates from Green Nazis?

    Kennedy should reject the endorsement.

  3. Eric Dondero

    Back in the early 1990s David Duke in a fluke, became the Gubernatorial candidate of the Republican Party.

    The National Republican Party denounced him and refused any endorsement or support.

    The Libertarian Party should do the same from this endorsement for its candidate from the National Socialist Green Party. Doing anything less sends a signal that we Libertarians are somehow aligned with these Enviro-Nazis.

  4. Kimberly Wilder

    Eric Dondero…

    What party are you actually registered in?

    Your comments make no sense. And, can only help to divide and disorganize.

    The Green Party did not endorse a position, or even a candidate.

    The Green Party put out a “same boat coalition” press release about one tiny issue – that every candidate has a right to debate and to be covered in the press fairly.

    What is there to contradict about that?

    Nothing.

  5. Eric Dondero

    Kimberly Wilder, I petitioned for Bob Barr for President up in New England in 2008: Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maines, and Rhode Island. I saw these Ralph Nader/Green Party freaks first hand, stealing our petition locations, blocking our petitioners, and screwing us over on notaries, causing us to lose ballot status in Connecticut.

    They’re slime. Payback’s a bitch.

    Libertarians should have absolutely NOTHING! to do with any Greens, Ralph Nader-ites, or other assorted Lefties. They’re all a bunch of Nazi fucks who are out to destroy us Libertarians.

    Problem for those fuckers, is that we’ve got guns, and we’re much stronger then they are. We will win in the end.

  6. Michael Cavlan

    Wellllll kiddies

    Obviously Eric Dondero has been dipping into the fruit-loop cereal bowl for just a weeeeee bit to long eh?

    LOLOL

    Silly Eric
    Tricks are for kids..

  7. Michael Cavlan

    Hey Paulie

    Serious question here.

    How in the name of God do you guys deal with nut jobs like this guy?

    Or is he a Libertarian? If his kind showed up, how do you all handle it?

  8. Trent Hill

    “Back in the early 1990s David Duke in a fluke, became the Gubernatorial candidate of the Republican Party. ”

    That’s a pretty huge misstatement. It wasn’t a “fluke”. It was odd, it was unlikely, but I wouldn’t say it was a fluke.

    Cavlan–Dondero is a Republican, and a neocon one.

  9. Catholic Trotskyist

    Great posts today Eric. I know you probably wouldn’t want to work with me either because of my socialist, pro-religion and anti-war positions, but you really have the info on the greens, Nader and other enviro-Nazis.

    Ralph Nader was foreshadowed by God in the character of Mr Potter from “It’s A Wonderful Life.” Nader may seem like a courageous fighter for freedom or whatnot, but he is really a mastermind of corporate control and every corruption in this world today.

  10. Vaughn

    The Greens and the Libertarians get along in Ohio. We don’t agree on some issues, but we respect each other. The county where I live is split into two state house districts. I’m running as a Green in one and a Lib. is running in the other. One thing we agree on is that we both hate Nazis, so I don’t like seeing that term applies to members of either party.

  11. Andy

    “Eric Dondero // Dec 19, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Wow, Fascists supporting a Libertarian. Do we really want support for our Libertarian candidates from Green Nazis?

    Kennedy should reject the endorsement.”

    That would be stupid. Minor party and independent candidates may have different idealogies but we all have things in common, one of which is support of fair debates in which all ballot qualified candidates are invited to participate.

  12. Darcy G Richardson

    Trent’s right (#10). It’s not as though David Duke’s candidacy caught Republican leaders by surprise during Louisiana’s 1991 gubernatorial campaign.

    Duke, whose populist message tapped into growing anti-incumbent sentiment during a period of relative economic distress, had finished a surprisingly strong second to Senator J. Bennett Johnston only a year earlier, garnering 607,000 votes, or more than 44% of the total — including a majority of the white vote — in a field of four candidates. He also raised $2,615,267 in his 1990 campaign, a figure that should have deeply alarmed the RNC long before the 1991 gubernatorial contest even got underway.

    It’s possible that the Republican National Committee wasn’t paying attention to the 41-year-old white nationalist, who nearly came in first in the October gubernatorial primary — coming within 32,000 votes of top vote-getter Edwin Edwards — until it was too late to really help the erratic Buddy Roemer, the incumbent Democratic governor who had lamely switched to the GOP in March of that year.

    A cynic could even suggest that the RNC and the Bush White House were probably too busy congratulating themselves for their effective Willie Horton ads of a few years earlier to pay any attention to what was happening in the state one prominent Beltway journalist disparagingly described at the time as “America’s Third World.”

    There are a lot of ways to describe and explain Duke’s relatively strong showing in Louisiana’s 1991 gubernatorial contest, none of which reflect particularly well on the state. “Fluke” isn’t one of them.

  13. Robert Milnes

    CT @13, yes, that would be a variation of the Strategy. Assuming that both candidates try to coordinate the Green & Lib vote in both districts. They both could win by plurality.

  14. Steven R Linnabary

    The Greens and the Libertarians get along in Ohio.

    Vaughn is correct.

    Here in Columbus, it was ONLY the Green and Libertarian Parties that fought the proposed taxpayer funded Arena in ’99. Every newspaper article was usually in support and in every article mentioned our opposition in a very derisive manner. And yet we won.

    In 2000 in my Clerk of Courts campaign I was welcomed by the local Green Party, and I am certain that many voted for me.

    In ’04 it was the Green and Libertarian Parties that paid for and staffed the Kerry/Bush recount. Maybe because we are more concerned with fair and free elections than any democrat or republican.

    The ’06 Green Gubernatorial candidate was Bob Fitrakis, a personal friend (and friend of the family). I would have voted for him if we didn’t have a candidate.

    And last year, it was hard core Libertarian Christine Tobin that headed up the Nader ballot drive. Apparently her services weren’t wanted by the LNC.

    In my experience, we can get more accomplished by working together than by throwing wild accusations and vilifying their concerns. After all we DO agree on many issues, albeit for different reasons.

    PEACE

  15. Clay Barham

    GO TO PERSON
    Every family should have a “go to” person who can give answers to political and issue concerns, as suggested by Rush Limbaugh. Learning how means starting at the roots, the beginnings and differences between two sides of the same coin, which is all there is. One side is long established, where the few rule the many, irrespective of their labels. The other side is the newest, that of individual freedom and limited government. Why do many follow each side, and why the conflict between them? What side do current issues come from, such as health care, cap and trade as well as amnesty for illegal immigrants? What side of the coin most impacts the lives of your family, to whom you provide the answers?

  16. Eric Dondero

    Umm, I was down in Cincinnati doing ballot access for the Bob Barr Presidential campaign in May of 2008.

    Same deal with petitioning. Wasn’t blocked by the Green Party people, but by ACORN and the Ralph Nader people right in front of the downtown Cincy library.

    Fortunately, the library folks liked us Libertarian petitioners, because we were clean cut and polite to their customers. I don’t know how we swung it, but they kicked all the ACORNer/Naderites off after a couple days, and allowed us Libertarians to petition there.

    I literally saw one day, an ACORNer go up to a 16 year old girl in front of that library, and tell her to sign his voter registration card. She objected that she was only 16.

    His response (scraggly looking white dude in an army jacket):

    “Oh come on honey. You’re just helping me to make $5 bucks.”

    She signed.

    Like I said, Leftists are slime: Greens, Ralph Naderites, ACORNers, they’re all the same.

    And we Libertarians should have absolutely NOTHING!!!!! to do with the lot of them.

  17. Eric Dondero

    Yupper, like Trent says, I’m a “NeoCon.”

    I’m the world’s only NeoCon who supports:

    Drug Legalization
    Pro-Choice
    Pro-Prostititon
    Repeal of Seat Belt laws
    Pro-Gambling
    Pro-Swingers Rights
    Abolish the IRS

    I’d sure be a welcome at a NeoCon convention right along with Bill Bennett, Bill Krystral, Fred Barnes, Pat Robertson and all those other Religious Rightists.

  18. Andy

    Eric Dondero said: “Same deal with petitioning. Wasn’t blocked by the Green Party people, but by ACORN and the Ralph Nader people right in front of the downtown Cincy library.”

    “Like I said, Leftists are slime: Greens, Ralph Naderites, ACORNers, they’re all the same.”

    Acorn supported Barack Obama, NOT Nader. Acorn vehemently OPPOSED Ralph Nader.

    Also, most of the petitioners/registrars working for Acorn, Nader, the Green Party, and for that matter, the Libertarian Party, were NOT political idealogues, they were just mercenaries who were out to make a buck.

  19. Kimberly Wilder

    Eric Dondero at #21:

    Some I guess I agree with on paper. Many I don’t.

    But, overall…

    Creepy list…

    Creepy Republican haunting our third party site…

    Drug Legalization
    Pro-Choice
    Pro-Prostititon
    Repeal of Seat Belt laws
    Pro-Gambling
    Pro-Swingers Rights
    Abolish the IRS

  20. Robert Milnes

    Steven R. Linnabary @18, “The “06 Green Gubernatorial candidate was Bob Fitrakis, a personal friend(and friend of the family). I would have voted for him if we didn’t have a candidate. Exactly PLAS! Now, take it to the next level. DELIBERATELY have EITHER ONE Lib OR ONE Green on EVERY BALLOT>

  21. Melty

    Kimberly. That’s not a creepy list. It’s a libertarian list, except for the abortion issue on which libertarianism is indeterminant. . .
    “liberventionists” are creepy on foreign policy. Of course, Parties Green, Libertarian, and Constitution agree on noninterventionism, while Democrats and Republicans alike are devotely interventionist.

  22. Melty

    I don’t see it that way. The voters would benefit from more choices. Voter turnout would increase. Voter dissatisfaction with plurality voting would increase.

  23. Eric Dondero

    Andy, perhaps I wasn’t precise enough in my definitions of who those sleezeball petitioners in Cincinnati were back in June of ’08. Arenza and I were sent from Libertarian National HQ on a special assigment to save ballot access for Ohio. The Ohio LP had badly dropped the ball, and we were within days of losing the State.

    So, Arenza and I started downtown. We soon learned that the entire downtown area was flooded with ACORNers signing up homeless people, illegal alien Mexicans, bums in the streets, and just about anyone they could wrestle up to lift up their hands and sign a voter registration form. Didn’t matter how many times they had already signed.

    But, and this is important. These ACORNers were also carrying the Ralph Nader petitions. Some of them I asked identified themselves as “Greens.”

    So, I’m not sure if they were also petitioning for the Green Party or what? Or, maybe Nader was going to be on the ballot under the Green Party banner, or what was going on. Frankly, I didn’t have time to nail it down, for I was more concerned about avoiding the fuckers and doing my own job collecting sigs.

    But I can tell you this: Green Party, Ralph Nader, Obama, SEIU, ACORN, in Cincinnati, Ohio in 2008 were all the same. They were all aligned working on the same projects.

    Yes, some were mercenaries. But there were others who were clearly leaders of the group who wore the SEIU or ACORN t-shirts. And they would collect signatures and voter regs too.

  24. Eric Dondero

    Pro-Swingers Rights? Easy.

    Basically Property Rights.

    There’s a town south of Dallas, last year big controversy. Home owners were hosting Swingers Partys, and neighbors objected over it.

    Swingers Rights means that a Property Owner has the right to invite anyone they damned well please, and do anything they damned well please in their homes, so long as its non-coercive and involves ONLY! adults, without the prying eyes of local governments and/or busy body Nanny-State supporting prudish liberal/leftist neighbors.

    Also means allowing Swingers clubs to open up without over-burdening regs from local municipalities.

  25. Eric Dondero

    Andy, you say “Acorn vehemently opposed Ralph Nader.”

    No way Jose!!!!!! Not from what I saw. Absolutamente No! Negativo. Nay. Nein. Non c’est pa!

    In Ohio ACORN and Ralph Nader were one in the same. And it wasn’t just the mercenaries either. Their leadership were supporting both.

    They all support the same agenda Andy. There’s no difference between Barack Hussein Obama, Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, Green Party. They’re all Authoritarian Fascists. They’re all just different flavors of National Socialism.

    Read Jonah Goldberg’s book “Liberal Fascism.”

  26. Robert Milnes

    Once again I agree with Prof. Phillies-his reference to Eric Dondero on another thread. I also have agreed with E.D. on occasion and find he is quite informed.///Eric, I don’t think the liberals & leftists are generally the anti-swinger prudes. That’s more the religious rightists. & sorry, Obama doesn’t lump in with the progressives & leftists very well. e.g. McKinney has been quite outspoken against Obama.

  27. Robert Milnes

    I used to lump all rightists together. But found the libertarian left and the anti-war right. Even counterrevolutionary Ron Paul is anti-war. The political spectrum is more complicated than -They are all (expletive deleted).

  28. Michael Cavlan

    Ok Folks

    Re@34

    Is this Eric Dondero critter snorting the frigging fruit loops? For the love of God, will someone please take the bowl away from him. He actually believes the excrement that is stewing about in his head.

    Move away and stop snorting the fruit loops Eric. That shit will rot yer brains.

    Silly Eric, Tricks are for kids.

  29. Andy

    “Eric Dondero // Dec 20, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Andy, perhaps I wasn’t precise enough in my definitions of who those sleezeball petitioners in Cincinnati were back in June of ‘08. Arenza and I were sent from Libertarian National HQ on a special assigment to save ballot access for Ohio. The Ohio LP had badly dropped the ball, and we were within days of losing the State.”

    Richard Winger could confirm this, but I’m pretty sure the petition that got the Libertarian Party ballot status in 2008 was the one that was circulated by myself and two other petitioners in Ohio in the summer of 2007. We got them like 3,000 signatures and then they ran out of money and had to shut the paid portion of that petition drive down. They got a few volunteer signatures and then filed a lawsuit where they challenged Ohio’s ballot access laws. Their lawsuit was actually successful and I’m pretty sure that THIS was what got the Libertarian Party of Ohio ballot access in 2008 and still has them on the ballot for 2010. The former ballot access law in Ohio was thrown out and the state legislature is supposed to come up with a new ballot access law, probably this year. I think that this lawsuit that got Ohio’s former ballot access law thrown out also gave ballot access to other parties such as the Green Party, the Socialist Party, the Constitution Party, and probably Ralph Nader as an independent as well.

    So Eric, I don’t think that the petition that you worked on is what got Barr on the ballot in Ohio in 2008. I think that you and Arenza and whoever else may have been there where just sent in as backups in case the lawsuit did not work out.

    And by the way, Richard Winger said that the signatures that myself and two other petitioners collected for Libertarian Party ballot access in Ohio in 2007 were an integral part in making that lawsuit successful.

  30. Andy

    “But, and this is important. These ACORNers were also carrying the Ralph Nader petitions. Some of them I asked identified themselves as ‘Greens.'”

    If any of the ACORN registrars were working the Nader petition I’d be willing to bet that they were doing it WITHOUT the blessing of ACORN management. ACORN management vehemently opposed Ralph Nader and did not want him on the ballot because they feared he’d draw votes away from Obama (who himself was once a part of ACORN management).

    “So, I’m not sure if they were also petitioning for the Green Party or what? Or, maybe Nader was going to be on the ballot under the Green Party banner, or what was going on. Frankly, I didn’t have time to nail it down, for I was more concerned about avoiding the fuckers and doing my own job collecting sigs.”

    Cynthia McKinney was the Green Party candidate. She had nothing to do with Nader and neither of them had anything to do with ACORN.

  31. Andy

    You know, I’ve run into people working for ACORN as well as Ralph Nader petitions as well as Green Party petitioners, and I NEVER had a problem with any of them.

    I remember back in 2004 I ran into ACORN registrars (as in people doing voter registration) while I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access in Pennsylvania and in Kentucky.

    I ran into Ralph Nader petitioners in Illinois and Kentucky in 2004 while I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access and I had no problem with them as well.

    I also ran into some woman who was gathering signatures (for what turned out to be a failed attempt) to put the Green Party on the ballot in Texas in 2004 when I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access and I had no problem with her.

    I’ve got a feeling that these problems that Eric Dondero is speaking of have more to do with his piss poor attitude than it was to do with ACORN registrars or Ralph Nader or Green Party petitioners.

    I’m friendly when I see another petitioner/registrar. If the other petitioner/registrar is friendly back to me then we don’t have a problem, which there usually isn’t.

  32. paulie

    Eric Dondero…

    What party are you actually registered in?

    Mr. Dondero never answered the specific question that was asked.

    to be fair, I don’t know if Texas is one of the states that has registration by party or not, but if it is, that’s a fair question that has not ben answered.

    The Green Party did not endorse a position, or even a candidate.

    The Green Party put out a “same boat coalition” press release about one tiny issue – that every candidate has a right to debate and to be covered in the press fairly.

    What is there to contradict about that?

    Nothing.

    Exactly.

  33. paulie

    Kimberly Wilder, I petitioned for Bob Barr for President up in New England in 2008: Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maines, and Rhode Island. I saw these Ralph Nader/Green Party freaks first hand, stealing our petition locations, blocking our petitioners, and screwing us over on notaries, causing us to lose ballot status in Connecticut.

    The Libertarian Party has no one to blame but themselves (more specifically, former political director Sean Haugh and 2008 ballot access coordinator Scott Kohlhaas) for failing to get on the ballot in Connecticut and Maine. Had they not shuffled myself, Andy and Jake off to Alabama, where we were far less needed, they would have comfortably made the ballot in those states. Doubly so if they had employed Gary Fincher, who was already in New England. They let their stupid personal vendettas cost the party those two states by that act alone.

    I did work Massachusetts for both the LP and Nader in 2008. Same deal in Alabama. I only ran into one Nader petitioner in Illinois, which only allows petitioners to do one candidate/party and where signatures of people who sign both petitions can be thrown out; even though we were in direct competition, we got along fine, and he ended up complimenting me on my technique.

    2004: Didn’t have any problems with Nader petitioners in Texas, Illinois; went to Pennsylvania because both Bill Redpath and Nader coordinator Jason Kafoury told us we could and should do both up there, but left when the Nader state coordinator said his interpretation of state law was people could not sign both. Briefly worked Nader petitions in Maryland on way to DC where we did LP, but some other petitioners I know also worked Nader at the same time. Very briefly worked Nader only in Virginia, then worked both in Alabama. Neither I nor anyone I worked with while working in the same or any other states had any problems with Nader people.

    2000: No problems with Nader people that year either. Got along fine with a Green Party petitioner I met on the El, took her downtown to the LP’s Chicago HQ and introduced her to the LP’s Ron Crickenberger. She expressed interest in possibly working LP in other states. Oklahoma: got along fine with both the Green and Buchanan petitioners at an arts fair; ended up doing some side work for the Reform Party there.

    So, three election cycles, multiple states, multiple petitioners, zero problems with Nader or Green petitioners or any other party/candidate petitioners for that matter.

    The only times I have had problems with petitioners have been on initiatives. Some of those guys can be very rude and don’t respect “first come first served.”

  34. paulie

    Hey Paulie

    Serious question here.

    How in the name of God do you guys deal with nut jobs like this guy?

    (Shrug) How do you deal with some of the less polite Demo-Greens?

    Actually, as far as I can remember I’ve never met Mr. Dondero in person.

    I did talk to him on the phone once. He apparently misread one of my posts here and though that my number was the number for the Libertarian Party of West Virginia, and that they were hiring petitioners. In reality, I was up there by myself mostly working on spec, losing money and Andy was trying to raise money on the phone just to keep me going. They were certainly not in a position to hire more petitioners and in the end I had to bail as they could not afford to pay me for $2000 worth of signatures I already collected.

    On that occasion Eric was very polite and soft-spoken, and did not sound anything like how he sounds on the radio or how he comes off in a lot of his blog posts and comments.

  35. paulie

    Or is he a Libertarian?

    I’ll let Mr. Dondero answer that one for himself:

    http://www.smallgov.org/?p=355#comment-4549

    Same feeling many of us have with Joe Lieberman.

    He’s mostly wrong on a whole slew of social and economic matters. But he is RIGHT ON on the War in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    That’s why True libertarians support him.

    Thus, logically, “True Libertarians” should also support Barack Obama….right? After all….

    Although Obama is wrong on a whole slew of social and economic matters, he’s for keeping the troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future, vastly expanding the war with Afghanistan, and expanding the war into other countries such as Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, and who knows where else. He’s also keeping and expanding all the Bush gang policies on torture, secret prisons, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detentions, military commissions, use of the military for civilian policing, etc., etc.

  36. paulie

    The Greens and the Libertarians get along in Ohio. We don’t agree on some issues, but we respect each other.

    Same here in Alabama. The closest thing we have to a Green Party office is in the same building as the Libertarian office on Highland in Birmingham.

  37. paulie

    In ‘04 it was the Green and Libertarian Parties that paid for and staffed the Kerry/Bush recount. Maybe because we are more concerned with fair and free elections than any democrat or republican.

    Thank you!

  38. paulie

    NeoCon convention right along with Bill Bennett, Bill Krystral, Fred Barnes, Pat Robertson and all those other Religious Rightists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative:

    Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]

    The term neoconservative was used at one time as a criticism against proponents of American modern liberalism who had “moved to the right”.[5][6] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[7] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by “the notion that liberalism” had failed and “no longer knew what it was talking about.”[8] The term “neoconservative” was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush.[9][10] with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.[11]

    The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, was considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article “Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed ‘Neoconservative.'”[5] His ideas have been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine.[12] Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled “The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan’s Foreign Policy”.[13][14] Kristol’s son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

  39. paulie

    Parties Green, Libertarian, and Constitution agree on noninterventionism, while Democrats and Republicans alike are devotely interventionist.

    Good point. This is the real divide in American politics…not the phony “left” vs. “right” game that the elite team uses to divide and conquer those of us at the bottom, along with other divide and conquer factors such as “race.”

    Think of it as a triangle;as long as we remain divided at the bottom, they sit safely perched on top of politics, business, media, etc, etc, in an incestuous interlocking revolving door power structure.

  40. paulie

    Naturally there’ll sometimes be a Lib and a Green running for the same office. I don’t see that as anything bad.

    Actually, it’s really good. Having both Greens and Libertarians in as many races as possible allows the real debates to take place and negates the phony “spoiler” factor to some degree.

  41. paulie

    Richard Winger could confirm this, but I’m pretty sure the petition that got the Libertarian Party ballot status in 2008 was the one that was circulated by myself and two other petitioners in Ohio in the summer of 2007. We got them like 3,000 signatures and then they ran out of money and had to shut the paid portion of that petition drive down. They got a few volunteer signatures and then filed a lawsuit where they challenged Ohio’s ballot access laws. Their lawsuit was actually successful and I’m pretty sure that THIS was what got the Libertarian Party of Ohio ballot access in 2008 and still has them on the ballot for 2010. The former ballot access law in Ohio was thrown out and the state legislature is supposed to come up with a new ballot access law, probably this year. I think that this lawsuit that got Ohio’s former ballot access law thrown out also gave ballot access to other parties such as the Green Party, the Socialist Party, the Constitution Party, and probably Ralph Nader as an independent as well.

    So Eric, I don’t think that the petition that you worked on is what got Barr on the ballot in Ohio in 2008. I think that you and Arenza and whoever else may have been there where just sent in as backups in case the lawsuit did not work out.

    And by the way, Richard Winger said that the signatures that myself and two other petitioners collected for Libertarian Party ballot access in Ohio in 2007 were an integral part in making that lawsuit successful.

    Andy is correct. The other two guys in Ohio 2007 were me and Gary.

  42. paulie

    You know, I’ve run into people working for ACORN as well as Ralph Nader petitions as well as Green Party petitioners, and I NEVER had a problem with any of them.

    I remember back in 2004 I ran into ACORN registrars (as in people doing voter registration) while I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access in Pennsylvania and in Kentucky.

    I ran into Ralph Nader petitioners in Illinois and Kentucky in 2004 while I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access and I had no problem with them as well.

    I also ran into some woman who was gathering signatures (for what turned out to be a failed attempt) to put the Green Party on the ballot in Texas in 2004 when I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access and I had no problem with her.

    I’ve got a feeling that these problems that Eric Dondero is speaking of have more to do with his piss poor attitude than it was to do with ACORN registrars or Ralph Nader or Green Party petitioners.

    I’m friendly when I see another petitioner/registrar. If the other petitioner/registrar is friendly back to me then we don’t have a problem, which there usually isn’t.

    Exactly.

  43. paulie

    Problem for those fuckers, is that we’ve got guns,

    Dondero should get to know some of the rural Greens in Arkansas. They got guns and they know how to use ’em, too.

    And Mr. Cavlan? I don’t know, but the acronym “IRA” just might mean something other than Individual Retirement Account to him.

    But then, I don’t have a permit to ask stupid questions*.

    * Trace Adkins – Rough and Ready Lyrics

    Yeah, that’s a real gun in that gun rack
    No, I don’t have a permit for it
    Do you have a permit to ask stupid questions like that
    That’s how you get hurt, boy

  44. Don Lake .......... More Paul Harvey Moments

    paulie // Dec 20, 2009: Eric Dondero…
    “What party are you actually registered in?”
    Mr. Dondero never answered the specific question that was asked.

    Lake: It has been a couple of years, but I found Dondero, the [so called, fakey dakey] Independent Green Parties, pretty much any ‘reformist’ and Cory Quirk get real evasive when pressed for the details. (These folks want to be ‘public’ figures with out the publicity ??????)

  45. VAGreen

    My state Green Party has worked with the Libertarians to stop some bad ballot access laws. The Libertarians were also helpful to us in our Presidential petition drive last year. After the Barr petition drive was over, some of the petitioners hired by the Libertarians worked for us.

  46. Michael Cavlan

    Paulie

    ROFLMAO @ #54

    Yup, I even have family who have intimate knowledge of IRA and by that I mean Individual Retirement Accounts.

    No really Mr FBI man. Ask your buddies in MI5.

    LOLOL

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